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A38575 A treatise of excommunication wherein 'tis fully, learnedly, and modestly demonstrated that there is no warrant ... for excommunicating any persons ... whilst they make an outward profession of the true Christian faith / written originally in Latine by ... Thomas Erastus ... about the year 1568.; Explicatio gravissimae quaestionis utrum excommunicatio. English Erastus, Thomas, 1524-1583. 1682 (1682) Wing E3218; ESTC R20859 61,430 96

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deliver_v unto_o satan_n to_o be_v torment_v and_o slay_v by_o he_o some_o of_o the_o ancient_a writer_n hold_v that_o he_o be_v indeed_o deliver_v over_o to_o be_v torment_v with_o disease_n or_o the_o like_a and_o so_o be_v gradual_o bring_v to_o destruction_n but_o be_v release_v and_o absolve_v aagain_o by_o the_o apostle_n before_o it_o have_v go_v so_o far_o if_o this_o answer_n be_v true_a i_o see_v not_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d may_v here_o signify_v punishment_n as_o indeed_o our_o translation_n have_v render_v it_o but_o now_o though_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v but_o that_o this_o be_v a_o passable_a interpretation_n yet_o i_o shall_v present_v you_o another_o as_o suitable_a to_o the_o apostle_n word_n st._n paul_n have_v not_o resolve_v to_o deliver_v this_o man_n to_o the_o devil_n by_o himself_o alone_o but_o have_v rather_o have_v it_o do_v in_o a_o full_a congregation_n when_o the_o whole_a body_n of_o believer_n shall_v be_v gather_v together_o for_o that_o 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