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A65988 A letter to the author of the late Letter out of the countrey, occasioned by a former Letter to a member of the House of Commons concerning the Bishops lately in the Tower, and now under suspension. Wagstaffe, Thomas, 1645-1712. 1689 (1689) Wing W211; ESTC R1728 10,232 8

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wise Martyrs ignorant of Moral Equity and the advantages they might have had by that to release themselves from the rigor and words of a Law Of all the men I ever met with you have a peculiar Talent in vilifying the greatest and most honourable Actions And my Lords the Bishops have reason to take it kindly for you allow that they did their duty and that is more than you will allow the Martyrs For says your Rule if the Moral Equity and which was the same to the Martyrs as to any since is better observ'd by breaking the Letter 't is lawful nay our Duty to do it and then the suffering Martyrs either did not understand or else neglected their Duty when they possessed their Souls in Patience and chose rather to suffer than by Virtue of a Moral Equity to break the Letter of God's or man's Law Your friend Mr. Johnson who loves Passive Obedience as little as you do can tell you Answ to Jovian p. 160. that the Primitive Christians suffered patiently because the Laws were against them i.e. the Letter of the Laws For Moral Equity was as much on their side before as after the Laws were made in their behalf That indeed gave them a Title to the Letter but they had before the Equity I have now done with your Arguments A Province I had much rather be imployed in than in considering Reproaches and Scandals but that cannot be avoided in your Letter For after you have said all you can to convince them the next thing is to say all you can to defame them And I defie any man to say more or with Truth and Honesty half so much You have the strange confidence to charge these Reverend and Excellent Bishops with having been the occasion of the expence of so much Treasure and Blood And you instance in Ireland This is a very heavy charge but it is as ridiculous as it is scandalous I wonder when your hand was in that you did not charge them for having been the occasion of all that mortality in the Navy the last Summer or that the Pendennis was cast away or to come a little nearer the matter and because you talk of Ireland that they were the occasion of an unfortunate Gentleman's drowning himself All this you might have charged upon them and a great deal more and with the same truth and justice You have forgot what you said a little before That they had no Partners no body pretends to share with them and they must stand or fall by themselves and how does this account and the present charge agree Can men that are so few and inconsiderable do such mighty things as to stop Armies and prevent the relief of Ireland A man would be tempted to call these contradictions but perhaps you that can joyn veneration and reviling may reconcile it in the mean time I pray Sir Did they hinder the City from lending Moneys on that occasion or did they hinder the raising of Men or was they any impediment to the Parliament to promise assistance for the Reduction of Ireland or finally did they hinder the Wind and Tides Sir the House of Commons is now inquiring into the miscarriages concerning Ireland and if you have any thing to say against the Bishops it is very proper to apply your self to the Committee and they have voted you shall have liberty of access and be heard But if you can say no more than you do in your Letter give me leave to tell you It is a high act of villany to charge any Man and especially Men of their station honour and worth with having been the occasion of spilling Protestant blood and yet have not one wise word to say in proof of it And what is this to their refusing the Oath which was not 'till after the Protestants of Ireland were come over and Derry was besieged and reliev'd I do not know what placing things in a true light may do but in the old way of reasoning the occasion cannot be after the fact And I desire you would please to shew how the Bishops refusing the Oath in July was the occasion that Succors were not sent to Ireland the February or March before In the last place I shall address my self to you upon the end and design of the first Letter which is to recommend to the Parliament the mitigating or releasing the rigor of the Oath Act in favour of these excellent Bishops This you say you must approve of and for the truth of it appeal to your Correspondent But you do not approve of the method proposed Well Sir Methods are not much to me And if your method is better you shall have my vote if you please we will compare them The first Letter in pursuit of this end recommends them as Men who are the chief for merits as well as Authority in our Church That their unparallet'd zeal for the Protestant Religion and for the priviledges and liberty of the subject deserv'd another kind of acknowledgment and return from the Nation That the zeal and courage they made appear cannot be so soon forgot That it would be a wonder and astonishment that these Prelates who had escaped the fury of Papists and made so glorious a confession for Protestant Religion and English Liberties should in so short a time be disgrac'd and depos'd by Protestants and when others that attempted to enslave the Nation and even the Prosecutors of the Bishops are received into favour The chief Champions of the Protestant Religion and Liberty are the onely men that are ruin'd c. Sir in my judgment this is a pretty good method and now if you please let us see what yours is Instead of this you tell us they did but their duty and need not be so extremely magnified that they are men of such a temper that neither God nor man can do any thing for them you charge them with faction and schism with the blood of Ireland with preferring their humour before serving God and to carry the matter home you tell us that the People would not be concerned for their Deprivation and there are many others as good as they to fill their places Now Sir what your end is in this you best know but if it be to procure favour to the Bishops you have taken the strangest Method that ever was heard on Suppose a friend of yours should undertake to recommend you to the favour of a third Person and in order to it should mention your usefulness and vertues and former services which in your own case I suppose you would think might be done without tempting you to boast Suppose another pretending the same should say I approve the design and of any thing that sounds in his favour but I do not like the Method For Sir This man did but his duty he need not be so magnified nor was he singular in those services and not content thus to diminish you should vilifie asperse and bely you besides I pray when there is another true light to be put out give me your opinion what you would think of such an advocate or of his method There is one thing more you and the Author differ upon in point of Method The Author recommends it to the Parliament and thus far you seem to like it well enough but you would have the Bishops first petition Now Sir I am not Critic enough in these matters to know which is best But this I know that favours the more free and unconstrain'd they are are always the greater and more generous and if I mistake not the favours to the Dissenters and to the Quakers were enacted and made into a Law without any previous Petition from either of them And why favours should come harder to those of the Church of England and to such eminent Lights of that Church as I do not undertake to determine so I leave it to them whose immediate concern it is to consider I am SIR Your humble Servant FINIS
Courage and Constancy I come now to that you call a less pleasing Subject their Refusing the Oaths I will not dispute with you whether they have done well or ill or whether they ought or ought not to take the Oaths But whether you have offer'd any thing considerable to convince them You say you will be so kind to them as to make them Judges in their own causes Well that is a kindness and in consequence of it I pray let their Lordships be ask'd and the matter I suppose will soon be at an end But you do not mean so onely a Paper they set their hands to almost a Twelve-month since If all the Declarations that men have subscribed must be their Judges however the Bishops may escape I am afraid those that are so hot upon this would not be able to stand the Trial themselves of their own Declarations and Subscriptions And yet there is a very great difference between those Subscriptions and this of the Bishops and the other Lords When that Declaration at Guild-hall was made and subscrib'd The times were in the utmost confusion the King was withdrawn the Rabble up in all parts of the Kingdom the Necessities pressing and urgent put all these together and if there had been any need there is reason and ground enough for allowances and however it is very unseasonably urged by those who themselves are so little ty'd to their own solemn and deliberate Declarations and Subscriptions But I pray what is there in This DECLARATION that so warmly affects the Bishops as that they should refuse to be judg'd by it The short of it is That they resolv'd to apply themselves to the P. of O who had undertaken and promis'd by HIS DECLARATION to rescue us by endeavouring to procure A FREE PARLIAMENT That they would assist him in the obtaining such a Parliament wherein our Laws and Liberties may be secur'd the Protestant interest supported to the glory of God the happiness of the Established Government of these Kingdoms And now Sir I pray tell me what contradiction is there in all this to their present or to their former practises Was it that they declared to endeavour for a Free Parliament That very thing THEY had done in their Advices and Petition not long before Or was it that they applyed to the P. of O. and promised to assist him Why they promis'd to assist him but in the obtaining a Free Parliament and such a Free Parliament as might secure the Laws c. to the glory of God and the happiness of the Established Government And what is all this to Swearing how comes there to be such an inseparable connexion between the Oath and the Declaration that the refusing the one is a palpable violation of the other Cannot a man endeavour for a Free Parliament and promise to assist the P. of O. in procuring one but that in his own judgment he must think himself obliged to take the Oath and if he does not he recals his consent and flyes from his subscriptions How you will prove this I cannot tell and I am confident from these Premisses all the skill you have can never draw such a Conclusion The next thing you proceed upon is That Salus populi est suprema lex and upon this Maxim you say you will dispute the matter in cool bloud I am glad of that for hitherto your bloud or your choler has been very hot And to do you right what follows is the coolest thing you have said in all your Letter You say The saying is deriv'd from the old Romans among whom the People with the Senate had the face of the supreme Magistracy So that in our Constitution the King is concern'd in that Maxim and is not to be shut out from his share in it Very well Sir hitherto 't is very cool But say you in admitting a head I would not exclude the Body And so say I too and if you please add that in admitting a Body you would not exclude the Head and then it is as broad as long You proceed with your Argument Altho' 't is possible Kingdoms may have suffer'd by the Peoples encroachments yet to say that a Government can suffer in no other instance would be full as absurd as to say That a man can be mortally wounded no where but in his head but we are sure there are parts in our body as fatal to be touch'd as the Brain and therefore ought to be guarded with equal care That is if the Mouth bites the finger the Teeth are to be pull'd out if the Head sends defluxions upon the Lungs the Head must be cut off because the Lungs are a Vital part and ought to be guarded with equal care Sir It is to be hop'd after such clear Demonstrations that now my Lords the Bishops will be convinc'd and take the Oath You say In those cases we are not ty'd up to the rigor and words of a Law for if the moral Equity and the design of the Commandment is better observ'd by breaking the Letter 't is lawful nay our duty to do it and to make good this you instance in the Sabbath and the Maccabees breaking the letter of the fourth Commandment in which instances the Rule holds good as also in all Ceremonial and positive Institutions But how comes this Rule to be extended to Moral Laws The moral Equity of the fourth Commandment we know but I pray which is the moral Equity of the fifth Commandment or of any other Moral Precept upon the account of which a man may break the Letter and act contrary to it and yet keep the Commandment when you speak plain to this you will find your Account will reach all the Commandments as well as the Fifth and in vertue of it a man may be permitted to take God's name in vain to commit Murder Theft or bear false witness as well as not honour his Father and Mother You are a little pleasant when you talk of being wise Martyrs to the Fifth Commandment But by this you do not only ridicule Passive Obedience but also all the Martyrs and Sufferers for Religion in the Primitive Persecutions for they were just such wise Martyrs and no other For the Rule of breaking the Letter of a Law by the Moral Equity of it is sure full as early and would serve them as well as any body else And these instances of Equity you mention That Kings were made for the people not the people for Kings that the Rights of the Subject ought to be as Sacred as those of the Soveraign That Government was not erected for the aggrandising one single person or family All these were the very same in those days as they are now And I challenge you to name one single instance of Moral Equity which did not equally affect them as any Persons since and might not have been as serviceable to them And therefore 'till you can shew the difference They will be even just such
A LETTER To the Author of the late Letter out of the Countrey occasioned by a former Letter to a Member of the House of Commons concerning the Bishops lately in the Tower and now under Suspension SIR IN a Peevish discourse I always expect to meet with more of Passion than Reason And you have given me no ground to alter my opinion I confess at the very beginning you make an Apology for your Peevishnesses but I think that does not mend the matter it only shews that some men know their own infirmity and yet cannot forbear to publish it to the world And what allowances soever you may bespeak and expect in a private correspondence and from your friend yet there is not the same reason to expect it from the world and to Print and Publish a peevish and fretful Letter and then to cry out you were betray'd by sickness is a peevish i.e. a ridiculous excuse For if you were distemper'd and peevish and knew it why did not you stay till your thoughts were cooler Wise men have always judged that grave and serious matters require a free and dispassionate mind And your Letter gives us an instance that in a peevish fit how much soever a man may be master of his Notions he is not much master of his Reason I cannot be perswaded that you your self believe that qualms and indispositions are sufficient Licences for Invectives and that whenever your Head or Toe akes you are thereby dispenc'd with to fall upon the Honour and Reputation of good and excellent Men and therefore pardon me if I think your peevishness hath some other causes besides bodily temper Envy is apt to raise the Spleen and men of great Ambition and no great Virtue are always jealous of other mens merits There was an honourable character and which they very well deserv'd given of the Bishops in the first Letter And it is a Query which you can satisfie whether That was the sole or the concurring Cause whether it made or only contributed to your distemper and meeting with prepar'd matter and the humours on the fret hath rais'd the ferment to that pitch of wrath and bitterness which every where discovers it self in your Letter This is too invidious to be open and bare-fac'd and downright Detraction and Calumny melts away before the Reputations of such Men like Snow before the Sun But to pretend mighty respects and esteem under that Vizor perhaps something may be fastned however it must be own'd to be politickly done obliquely to attack That Reputation which can never without palpable infamy be directly attempted You profess a particular veneration for these excellent Persons and not content with that you add as true and great a veneration as any body can pretend to And I wonder how you would like to be thus reverenc'd your self to have such good words made an inlet to defame you a crafty artifice to cloud and eclipse the glory of your Actions and to lessen with all imaginable peevishness your just value and esteem amongst men I fansie in such a case you would be put hard to it to distinguish betwixt your Enemies and your Admirers It is not very long since that these great and Reverend Prelates had signaliz'd themselves by an unparallel'd act of Zeal for the Protestant Religion and for the Liberty and Property of the Subject which the whole Nation beheld and admir'd and gave publick demonstrations of their Affection and Gratitude suitable to so great and venerable an occasion And now out come you with your Letter and out of pure Veneration no doubt do all you can to depreciate and undervalue the honour of it Why. They did but their duty and other men behaved themselves as well as they Such an ungenerous and impious scorn was never before put on so glorious an Action and can proceed from nothing but a malice or ingratitude as unparallel'd as their Virtues If these be the effects of Veneration give me the man that spits in my face I had rather be openly reproach'd than to have the same thing done under fawning complements and hypocritical Reverences You have got a fine expression for this and call it placing things in a true light as if all the kingdom was blind before in the unsiversal applauses and regards that were every where paid to them And now forsooth they must recal their Praise and Thanks and dance after your new light which discovers that it was their indispensable Duty and the praise and thanks must be divided It was their indispensable Duty and they own it but is it the worse or the less for that I fancy you would be glad if you could prove it had not been their duty for then you might have something to say against them And is it not very commendable and praise-worthy for a man to do his duty But how poor and thin not to say base and unworthy is your representation of this great Action As if they had perform'd only an easie and common duty which notwithstanding deserves a better acknowledgment and treatment than you can afford to this high act of Religion you tell us you desire to consider the Actions in the naked Circumstances And I must tell you that you consider this Action very nakedly indeed for you omit the most material and pertinent Circumstances which are the generous asserting of the Protestant Religion and the English Liberties to the apparent hazard of themselves and all their secular interests You know these are Duties of great difficulty and the performance of them hath been celebrated in all Ages of the Church And when the Fathers of our Church have demonstrated an invincible Zeal and Courage in asserting Religion and the Laws To have this represented with peevish and contemptible abatements is a reproach to Christianity and reflects dishonour upon the blood of Martyrs and the faith and constancy of Confessors You say You cannot see why they should boast and do they boast of That all the world and even your self acquit them but you would fain insinuate it by proving from Scripture they ought not to boast 'T is a Reflection upon humane Nature to answer such insinuations and I appeal to the candor of a Jew for the iniquity of them What tho' men cannot merit from God must they not therefore have due praises from men Envy and Detraction are no less Vices and far more odious than Boasting S. Paul That he might not be exalted was buffetted 2 Cor. 12.7 but it is to be remembred that it was by a messenger of Satan At this rate there will be no such thing as Honour Praise and Reputation amongst men and the most renowned and illustrious Actions will shrink into a narrow compass you may try it in any Action that from the beginning of the World hath had the reputation of Great and Glorious and it is lyable to the very same that you object to the Bishops Let us examine it in an instance of your
own allowance This very Action provided the Bishops may have as little the honour of it as may be you are content to own that it was ravishing and transporting and that a whole Nation was never more oblig'd Now Sir let there be as many sharers in this as you please and let all the shares be put together let the Lords the Lawyers and inferiour Clergy assert defend and assist as much as you shall think fit the upshot in your way will be no more honour than you will allow to the Bishops a small question of yours will rifle it of all the glory you pretend to give it For as you say of the Bishops I would only ask this Question whether it was their duty or no if it was then without admitting the Popish doctrine of supererogation and merit I cannot see why they should boast or we magnifie them so extremely for doing that which was their indispensable duty And so for any thing I can see the Lords the Lawyers and the inferiour Clergy for all your extasie and transport must e'en go look for their honour as well as the Bishops for as you have handled the matter that glorious action is come to a fair issue and upon the foot of the account we have it they did but their duty and so need not have been so extremely magnify'd Your pretending therefore to divide the thanks and praise was not to give it to any body else but to take it from the Bishops This is one of the crooked and serpentine ways of detraction when the merit of an action cannot with any face be deny'd then it deserves not so much or others deserve it too you should you say be unjust to others if you should suffer them to ingross all the praise But what injustice is it to others to suffer the Bishops to enjoy what is their due It can never be deny'd but they had a share in that action and the greatest share too There were others concern'd in it but that tho' unawares to you is so far from lessening that it is a considerable advance to the honour of these excellent Bishops for if the particular acting in it deserv'd praise and thanks certainly some part even of that praise and thanks is due to them who were the cause and occasion of it so that besides the merit of their immediate and particular actings which was far the greatest there is an additional honour due to them from that which was effected by their Authority and example by their wisdom and conduct For tho' as you say some of their inferiour Clergy were as forward as themselves yet I must tell you if you do not know it already they were but some and those for the most part the very same who still in judgment and practice agree with the Bishops To instance in one the learned and fam'd Author of these admirable Reasons for not reading the Declaration in a Letter from a Minister in the City to one in the Countrey But there were others and those not inconsiderable who at first were not so very forward some thought the reading the Declaration to be onely a MINISTERIAL ACT and others but MATTER OF PRUDENCE what Readiness therefore they shew'd after was not Original but derivative and is owing to the Influence and reasons of the Bishops their seconding is to be ascrib'd to the Principals and they follow'd but it was because they had such excellent Leaders And for the truth of all this I appeal to the transactions and debates at the several Consultations which were held about this matter Besides it ought not to be forgotten that these Bishops never transmitted the Declarations to their respective Clergy and each of them by that single act secur'd a whole Diocesse So that what share soever others had in the action no body can pretend to an equal share in the Reputation Had They comply'd I doubt the Number of the Non-Readers would have been much inferiour to the Non-swearers I know my Lords the Bishops envy not man his share and honour in that action and would have been glad if there had been yet more concern'd in it And there were some you do not mention who notwithstanding as well deserve it and had as considerable a part as those you do mention Those are the Gentlemen of the Jury who to their immortal honour brought in that just verdict and tho' you have left them out and perhaps because they did so their vertue and uprightness is celebrated by the present and will be celebrated by succeeding ages To give therefore the Bishops their just honour does not deprive that excellent Jury nor any others concern'd of what is due to them nor does the commending the Lords and Lawyers reflect upon the Bishops They very well agree together and what is given to one is not taken from another Partnership in vertue is not subject to the rules of Arithmetick to adjust the quota's and proportions of praise and thanks they best subsist in the common stock 'T is only your peevishness that talks of dividing The action was united and why not the honour and those that concurr'd in the action will not be Rivals in the Glory I am asham'd to have said thus much in so clear a matter and I do heartily and humbly beg pardon of my Lords the Bishops To plead in such a case is a kind of detraction and to offer to wipe out stains supposes a possibility of their sticking But I have this Apology it is not so much the case of their Lordships for that I know to be above Calumny but the whole kingdom is concern'd which hath already given its judgment in universal approbation and applause so that to reflect upon or to diminish the Bishops is to disparage the publick verdict and is a Libel upon the whole Nation Before I leave this there is one thing more I shall acquaint you with and that is that how much fidelity zeal and courage soever these excellent Bishops have shewn in this particular it is not the onely instance they have done it in Their vertues have been try'd before there was a time when A solemn League and Covenant and another when an Engagement was to be taken and then they gave admirable proofs of their Constancy and even in their younger years shew'd themselves to be men of Episcopal vertues that neither the Power nor peril of the times nor the baits of interest nor any secular matter could prevail upon their Consciences nor could they be any more perswaded to swallow the Covenant and Engagement than they were to read the Declaration Sir you are very pert about filling their places with as good and able men as they I will not question your stock but if you will count again I doubt tho' it be but a small number you will be put to it to find even four or five of such try'd and experienc'd vertue and who can come up to the pitch and measure of their