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A30961 The Winchcomb-papers revived wherein are contained some particulars concerning the govenment of the church, the liturgy and forms of prayer, the ordination and power of ministers, the administration of the Sacrament &c. : for the use of dissenting brethren. Barksdale, Clement, 1609-1687. 1675 (1675) Wing B810; ESTC R25862 79,287 210

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Juramentis in every Month unless the day be upon some exigent 11. De Pietate De Charitate changed and every one in his turn shall provide a Latin Lecture 12. De Patientia De Spe. to be read at the appointed place immediatly before dinner not exceeding half an hour Huc spectant fere omnia upon two Heads of Theology according to the order of the Catalogue † 4. That Lecture shall yield matter of Discourse pro and con and for the more variety of Conference every Fellow of this Society shall bring some pocket-volume or some new Tract to be communicated to the rest and considered in the By. And moreover They shall impart what Intelligence they have De Rep. literaria 5. That the Society may be the better furnished for their private Studies they shall give each other a Note of such Books as they can lend in exchange for other and the mutuall returns shall be made within the month That none may be a loser some record is to be made hereof 6. In this Meeting nothing shall pass that may either be offensive to the Common-wealth or injurious to the good Name of any private person living or dead And every one shall use all Gentleness and Condescention of the other remembring who hath said He that is greatest among you let him be servant of All. Qu. 1. Whether it be not the Duty of the lawfull Ministers to shew some extraordinary zeall and care in preserving people in the Unity of the Church when so many unordained men are so zealous and diligent to draw them into separation 2. Whether Communions ought not to be celebrated at least thrice a year according to the Rule of the Church and to that end the People to be duly prepared by Catechizing and where need is by particular Conference 3. Whether the lawful Ministers for their mutual encouragement and furtherance in the work of their Calling ought not to associate themselves and at certain appointed times of meeting perform some Exercise by turns Mr. T. to Mr. B. Aug. 30. 53. My Dear Friend YOur's I received on Friday that and the afterday was ingag'd in the service for the third day On Monday I communicated the enclosed which now I return to D. We do so exceedingly approve it and the compiler of it that we heartily desire you who are so prudent a 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the young society either to bring the same Paper with you on the first Tuesday of the next Month or another Paper with Additions as you shall think fit though in point of Laws as in Cases of Conscience the excess of determinations may be offensive to be communicated to New College so contrived that to prevent any possible exception we may impart the view of it to him that sits at the Helm and if not desire yet give way for his concurrent society in the innocency and industry of the design We think when we do hunc lapidem movere we do amoliri omnem God direct and prosper you and us It was not long after this time when Mr. B. having celebrated the Holy Eucharist at Sudeley Mr. H. as his manner had been before crys out Murder in his Pulpit and withall makes shew of a readiness to confer with any body and make good his charge Which news was brought Mr. B. by one of the Baylifs and by the same hand a few lines were presently sent by Mr. B. signifying to Mr. H. that he was glad to hear now of an offer of Conference and that he would be ready to wait upon Mr. H. at his time and place before some discreet Auditors of his choice to answer his charge and give him account of his doings at Sudeley To this note after three weeks interval had Mr. B. answer brought him to his house in these words of Master H. to Master B. Octob. 19. 1653. MAster B. I received your Chalenge which you sent by Baylif T. and am willing to answer it in the strength of God and because you give me liberty to choose time and place and Auditors Sir I do choose Nov. 9. next following for the day and the publick meeting house of Winchcomb for the place where I shall not fail God assisting to be ready to prove That such a mixed Administration of the Sacraments that is usually practized in the Parishes of England is unlawful in the Administrators in giving and the People in receiving As for the persons before whom this Conference shall be held I shall choose my despised Brethren who are Pastors of the Churches and those simple Disciples as you call them over whom the Holy Ghost hath made me Overseer You have the liberty to choose what sober persons you please Sir if you resolve to maintain this unchristian practice in your self and others you shall meet at the time and place aforasaid an opponent of Your loving friend C. H. Your chalenge is so triumphantly reported about the Country by your friend that I believe here will be many Godly persons of the places adjacent Master B. to Master H. Octob. 20. 1653. SIR THat which you are pleas'd in your military language to call a challenge which yet you have been so wary as to answer after three weeks space was indeed a friendly Civil request that I might wait upon you at your appointed time and place in the presence of some discreet witnesses that is in some neighbours house as the bearer could and did assure you to answer your charge against me for my Ministring at Sudeley Your publick meetings I do not approve they tend to faction in the Church and perhaps will end in sedition against the State if you be not the wiser See Sleidan's Commentaries of the disorders of Germany But Sir if you please to meet me on the Lords da next at night at Mr. F's He was waited for in one quarter of an hour 's but he came not discourse possibly we may contrive some way for your satisfaction Your servant C. B. Mr. B. to Mr. P. Mr. Tr. Oct. 20. 53. WOrthy Friends I have some reason to think that you are misinform'd by Mr. Helme concerning me wherefore I trouble you with these few lines to assure you that I am so far from despising you that I do not use to mention you sine honoris praefatione and in my heart do much value your learning and piety yea I do reckon you in the number of my honor'd friends Non eadem sentire bonos de rebus i●sdem Incolumi licuit semper Amicitiâ That first Next whereas I am required to answer at the publick meeting place at Winchcomb Novemb. 9. before a confluence of those that are called by my opponent the Godly and am named the Challenger I truly profess unto you that in my note to Mr. Helme about three weeks agoe I only desired him in humble manner grounding my request upon what the bearer told me of his readiness to conferr with any