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A30942 The disputation at Winchcomb November 9, 1653 together with the letters and testimonies pertinent thereto : wherein is offered some satisfaction in serveral points of religion. Barksdale, Clement, 1609-1687. 1654 (1654) Wing B794; ESTC R23641 73,761 196

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have seen have so little of Charity or Civility in them to speak most gently that I conceive it will be no wrong to the Reader or to him to let them dye nor will Himself I believe think fit to bring them into the light Next then shall follow A Letter of Mr. B. to Col. A. Jun. 53. NOble Sir You are a Gentleman and a Scliolar and in both names I have reason to expect courtesy from you in a fair perusall of the enclosed that my cause may not be made worse than it is by misapprehension The sum of the letter to which here is a Reply is but this To administer the Sacrament to the wicked as such is many wayes unlawfull You administer the Sacrament to the wicked as such Therefore c. A bare denyall of the Minor is sufficient on my part and I look upon the charge as very uncharitable without further proof Methinks it becomes not any modest Christian to accuse strongly and prove weakly But let me retort thus To admit to your Prayers and Sabbaths the wicked as such is unlawfull You admit to your Prayers and Sabbaths the wicked as such Therefore c. Sir I am much mistaken in all the practice of the Church if excommunication doth not as well exclude the wicked from the society of prayers as the Sacrament By your means I hope for further light and some Logicall Account of this business in controversy And I am willing to attend you at your Call to be taught by any man of a Christian temper I shall take leave to adde here some what relating to our discourse yesterday concerning Judas and the Passover I say the presence of an hypocrite disclos'd pollutes not the Ordinance because Judas was such a one was he not known and discover'd by Christ to be a Devill and yet he was present at Christ's institution Consider I pray of the passage John 13. there is mention of the last Supper After the first part of it Christ rose and washed his Disciples feet then he lay down again and proceeded to the institution of the Holy Sacrament at which Judas being present received the peece of bread 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which Christ 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 having put his hand in the dish gave him Judicent eruditi Again I say Christ at this Passover did not eat the Lamb for the time of slaying the Lamb was not yet come The Lamb was slain and eaten by the Jews 't is plain after Christ's passion For they would not enter into the Judgment-Hall lest they should be defiled but that they might eat the Passover John 18. 28. What Passover then did Christ eat the night before Not the Lamb but unleavened Bread and bitter herbs After that followed the Post●oenium wherein the Holy Sacrament was instituted This I shall make out further at our Meeting and you shall see we may be very confident in some opinions without any true ground I am Sir Your very humble servant C. B. Thus did the poor man labour to make his peace with the Adversary but in vain and being now weary of this endless controversy he sought after some refreshment in the company of some Ministers his friends not very remote and endevoured to hold a meeting with them at some convenient times for mutual conference and comfort And that the Meeting might not be obnoxious to the Censure of such as watch for advantages He sent to Mr. To. the following paper which although it came not to the effect therein particularly mentioned yet hath attained its general end and made way for the Lecture now begun among us and unless the people be over-cold in their Affection to the lawfull Preachers or themselves some of them afraid to do their duty it is like to continue The paper mentioned with Mr. T 's answer is not ashamed here to offer it self to the Candid Readers view Amica Collatio 1. † De Deo De Homine 2. De Christo De Ecclesia 3. De Scriptura De Traditionib 4. De Peccato De Gratia 5. De Angelis De Sanctis 6. De Imaginibus De precibus 7. De Lege De Evangelio 8. De Baptismo De Eucharistia 9. De Fide De Operibus 10. De Votis De Juramentis 11. De Pietate De Charitate 12. De Patientia De Spe. Huc spectant fere omnia 1. THe end of this Collation is not for any Indulgence to the Body but for refreshment of the mind and cherishing one another in the Studies of good Learning and Religion and therefore here shall be more Discourse than Drink 2. Every one of the Company consisting only of Scholars shall stand to his six-pence Commons and if he come not shall send his money with a letter of excuse otherwise he shall pay it double Those present shall not exceed above the other six-pēce apeece in bread and beer and other pertinents 3. This Meeting shall be the first Tuesday in every Month unless the day be upon some exigent changed and every one in his turn shall provide a Latin Lecture to be read at the appointed place immediatly before dinner not exceeding half an hour upon two Heads of Theology according to the order of the Catalogue † 4. That Lecture shall yield matter of Discourse pro and con and for the more variety of Conference every Fellow of this Society shall bring some pocket-volume or some new Tract to be communicated to the rest and considered in the By. And moreover They shall impart what Intelligence they have De Rep. literaria 5. That the Society may be the better furnished for their private Studies they shall give each other a Note of such Books as they can lend in exchange for other and the mutuall returns shall be made within the month That none may be a loser some record is to be made hereof 6. In this Meeting nothing shall pass that may either be offensive to the Common-wealth or injurious to the good Name of any private person living or dead And every one shall use all Gentleness and Condescention of the other remembring who hath said He that is greatest among you let him be servant of All. Qu. 1. Whether it be not the Duty of the lawfull Ministers to shew some extraordinary zeall and care in preserving people in the Unity of the Church when so many unordained men are so zealous and diligent to draw them into separation 2. Whether Communions ought not to be celebrated at least thrice a year according to the Rule of the Church and to that end the People to be duly prepared by Catechizing and where need is by particular Conference 3. Whether the lawful Ministers for their mutual encouragement and furtherance in the work of their Calling ought not to associate themselves and at certain appointed times of meeting perform some Exercise by turns Mr. T. to Mr. B. Aug. 30. 53. My Dear Friend YOur's I received on Friday that and the afterday was ingag'd in the