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A02683 The English concord in ansvver to Becane's English iarre: together with a reply to Becan's Examen of the English Concord. By Richard Harris, Dr. in Diuinitie.; Concordia Anglicana de primatu Ecclesiæ regio. English Harris, Richard, d. 1613? 1614 (1614) STC 12815; ESTC S119023 177,281 327

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not_o dare_v to_o appear_v which_o refuse_v to_o do_v that_o which_o truth_n itself_o command_v by_o the_o hart_n of_o the_o king_n and_o according_a to_o this_o opinion_n our_o reverend_a b._n in_o his_o tortura_fw-la torti_n pag._n 381._o most_o true_o write_v quodcunque_fw-la in_o rebus_fw-la religionis_fw-la etc._n etc._n whatsoever_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n do_v in_o matter_n of_o religion_n neither_o do_v they_o anything_o without_o commendation_n wherein_o they_o have_v power_n &_o authority_n to_o enact_v law_n as_o that_o god_n shall_v not_o be_v blaspheme_v which_o you_o will_v not_o deny_v the_o king_n of_o babel_n also_o do_v dan._n 3.29_o and_o the_o king_n of_o nineuch_n jonas_n 3.7_o that_o with_o a_o public_a proclaim_v fast_o god_n almighty_a may_v be_v satisfy_v andaccord_v to_o this_o sentence_n write_v saint_n augustine_n many_o year_n before_o he_o in_o his_o 50._o epist_n to_o bonifacius_n the_o soldier_n sed_fw-la illud_fw-la propheticum_fw-la iam_fw-la impletur_fw-la psal_n 2._o et_fw-la nunc_fw-la reges_fw-la seruite_fw-la domino_fw-la in_o timore_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o now_o be_v the_o prophetical_a oracle_n fulfil_v which_o speak_v in_o the_o 2._o psalm_n now_o o_o ice_o king_n serve_v the_o lord_n in_o fear_n and_o how_o shall_v king_n serve_v the_o lord_n in_o fear_n unless_o they_o prohibit_v and_o punish_v those_o enormity_n with_o religious_a severity_n and_o justice_n which_o be_v daily_o commit_v against_o the_o lord_n will_v and_o commandment_n and_o because_o he_o be_v a_o king_n he_o serve_v as_o a_o servant_n by_o make_v law_n with_o force_n and_o vigour_n to_o command_v thing_n that_o be_v righteous_a and_o to_o forbid_v the_o contrary_n even_o as_o ezekias_n serve_v by_o destroy_v the_o temple_n of_o idol_n and_o cut_v down_o the_o grove_n even_o as_o king_n losias_o serve_v by_o do_v the_o like_a even_o as_o the_o king_n of_o