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A50249 A disputation concerning church-members and their children in answer to XXI questions wherein the state of such children when adult, together with their duty towards the church, and the churches duty towards them is discussed by an assembly of divines meeting at Boston in New England, June 4th, 1657 / now published by a lover of truth. Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. 1659 (1659) Wing M1271A; ESTC R3585 21,931 42

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Parents and are Members with them Dout 29. 14 15. 3. Children born before their Parents covenanting yet if in their minority when their Parents enter into covenant do covenant with them and are Church-members Gen. 17. 25. The whole houshold of Lydia the Jailor and others were baptized therefore some children in minority which were born before except we shall deny so much as one child in minority then alive in all those houses 4. There is no sufficient reason at least ordinarily to conclude a child of seven ten or twelve years old to be incorrigible because a child at the ages mentioned is infans in foro Ecclesie i. e. He hath no voice nor is capable of being heard in a Church way therefore not incorrigible as to the Church Their obstinacy at the years mentioned is not capital By Gods Law Deut. 21. 18. There is still place for hope Prov. 19. 18. 22. 15. 5. Their desiring or not desiring in their own persons during the ages forementioned is not to be attended as the ground of proceeding in this case because the ground thereof is the covenant founded upon Divine Institution and in-depending upon such childrens desires Quest 3. Till what age shall they enter into Covenant with their Parents whether sixteen twenty one or sixty Ans. As long as in respect of age or capacity they cannot according to ordinary account be supposed able to act in a matter of this nature for themselves so long they shall enter in by means of their Parents covenant because whilst they are children and in their minority they are not otherwise capable of covenanting When adult they are to covenant in their own persons If a precise and certain age may here be prescribed surely it is safe to go at least so far as may answer the example Gen. 17. 25. Where Ishmael is admitted to the Seal by his Fathers covenant at thirteen years of age Howbeit the bounding of adult and in-adult age depending upon the judgment of prudence much is to be left unto the discretion of Officers and Churches in this case Quest 4. What Discipline a child is subject to from seven to sixteen years old Ans 1. Church Discipline is taken either more largely for the act of a Church-member dispensed to a Church-member as such by way of Spiritual watch rebuke c. Luke 17. 3 4. Mat. 18. 15. Or more strictly for the act of the whole Church dispensed by a Member thereof as in case of publick rebuke admonition excommunication Mat. 18. 17. 2 Cor. 2. 3. 1 Tim. 1. 20. In the first sense children in their minority are subject to Church Discipline immediately but not in the second 2. It is the Duty of the Elders and Church to call upon Parents to bring up their children in the narture and admonition of the Lord and to see as much as in them lieth that it be effectually done Eph. 6. 4. Officers and Churches respectively succeed Apostles in matters of ordinary practise 3. Besides their subjection to Ecclesiastical Discipline they are also subject to civil Discipline respectively according to their capacity whether Domesticall Scholasticall or Magistraticall Quest 5. Whether a Father may twice Covenant for his Children in Minority in several Churches Ans. 1. When a Parent is called to remove from one Church to another he is also called to enter into covenant in that Church to which he removes Paul was first baptized and in communion at Damascus Act. 9. 29. Afterwards removed unto Ierusalem and joyned to the Church there v. 26. This the very nature of order calleth for because otherwise he can neither do all the duties nor enjoy all the priviledges of a Member in the one Church or in the other not in the former because now he dwelleth not with them nor in the other because though dwelling amongst them he joyneth not with them in covenant 2. When the Parent thus removing entreth into covenant his children then in minority covenant in him The child and the power of Government over the child must go together Prov. 29. 15. 3. Hence it is the duty of Churches when they give Letters dimissory unto Parents to insert the dismission of the children then in minority with them 4. Adult children yet under the power of the Parents and removing with them are to give their personal consent unto this translation of their Membership and so to be orderly dismissed and received with their Parents otherwise they remain Members of the Church of which they were before Quest 6. Whether the end of a Deputy Covenant be not to supply personall incapacity or whether Children ripe for personall Covenanting in regard of age should Covenant by a Deputy as others that are unable thereunto Ans. 1. Children in their minority whose immediate Parents are in Church-Covenant do covenant in their Parents see the proof hereof in answer to Question 1. 2. Children adult ought to covenant in their own Persons To covenant in our own persons according to the sense of this Question is nothing else but an orderly and Church profession of our Faith or a personall publick and solemn avouching of God in an Ecclesiasticall way to be our God according to the covenant of his Grace the great duty of the people of God throughout all generations both in the times of the Law and Gospel Pregnant and Illustrious examples whereof we have in the time of Moses Deut. 26. 17 18 19. 29. 10 11 c. And of Ioshua Iosh. 24. 18 27. Of Asa 2 Chron. 15. 12. Of Iosiah 2 Chron. 34. 31 32. So Ier. 50 5. A considerable part of which Prophesie for it extends it self also to the ages after Christ we have accomplished Nehem 9. ult. 10. 28 29. The Priests and Levites and many others there named and their wives and their sons and their daughters every one that had knowledge and that had understanding did cleave unto their Brethren their Nobles and entred into a covenant and an Oath to walk in Gods Law so of the times under the Law Concerning the times under the Gospel in Isa. 62. 5. 41. 3 4 5. We read of the seed and off-spring of Iacob and Israel that when they should be sprung and grown up h. e. become adults they should both by word and writing by saying and subscribing with their hands engage themselves unto the Lord It is a part of instituted Gospel Worship The same reason which called the Fathers to confession before calleth the son also when adult It went for good reason among the Iews He is of age he shall speak for himself Ioh. 9. 21. What more meet than that the confession of our Faith should be made with our own mouths when we are able God avoucheth them in the same day when they avouch him It is a special engagement of the adult person to perform his covenant Psal. 119. 106. I have sworn and will perform Lastly It is a duty compared with others especially commended in the