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A89824 An answer to a book called The Quakers catechism, put out by Richard Baxter. Wherein the slanderer is searched, his questions answered, and his deceit discovered, whereby the simple have been deceived: and the popery proved in his own bosom, which he would cast upon the Quakers. Published for the sake of all who desire to come out of Babylon, to the foundation of the true prophets and apostles, where Christ Iesus is the light and corner stone; where God is building a habitation of righteousness and everlasting peace; where the children of light do rest. Also some quæries for the discovering the false grounds of the literal preist-hood of these days, in the last times of antichrist. If you know the truth, the truth shall make you free. / Iames Nailor. Naylor, James, 1617?-1660. 1655 (1655) Wing N258; Thomason E851_1; ESTC R207416 51,999 51

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more than others that say the like Ans Our call and commission is invisible as to you as ever it was to the world yet herein is it shewed that we are found in the same practise and suffering that all the Saints of God ever was for declaring against the false worships and this we refuse not to show in the midst of your envy in the patience of Christ and his long suffering in the midst of your bloody persecution and here is your commission shewed also and from whom you have it even him that is within you who is known by his fruits outward a murderer from the beginning so is the Spirit of God by its fruits outward a sufferer from the beginning so each tree is known by its fruit whatsoever you tel us and that 's the sot which cannot see it nor believe it qu. 18. Seeing you cry down our Ministry and Churches tell us which is the the true ministry and Church and when yours begun and where it hath been since Christs abode on earth til now speak plainly and let us know whether you indeed are Papists or Pagans Ans The true Ministry and Church is those who abide in the doctrine of Christ guided by his Spirit in the way of his worship and this Church begun to be seperated from the world first in Abell and since Christs abode on the earth hath been thrust into corners persecuted and imprisoned and killed by Cains generation who was ever worshippers yet in their murderous nature and here we speak plainly such was Pagans and Papists though they called themselves Catholicks the same are you now who are found in the same works though you call your selves christians and such churches we cry down and their ministry who hath their hands in blood and persecution whatsoever they are called by and now that we have spoken plainly and truth also see thou be not angry and call trailing and plot mischiefe against us in secret as your father Cain did and all his generation when you cannot do it openly qu. 19. Is not that man an infidel and a scorner of Christ that dare say he came into the world and shed his blood to gather onely a few raging quakers ●n England 1652 years after his incarnat●on if Christ have no subjects but these he is a poore King ●f Christ have been t●ll now without subjects he was no King if without a Body he was no Head if without a spouse he was no husband Therefore shew us what a church Christ had or confess your selves infidels Ans The nearest comparison as I finde in Scripture whereby to shew what a Church Christ had since the mystery of iniquity and Popish Priesthood and Parish Masters was set up in the ●ailing away may be compared to his Church from the time that the hirelings and false Prophets begun amongst the Jews to preach for hire and bear rule by their means c. even til Christs comming in the flesh which Church was sometimes visible but ●n a few d●spised Prophets who were sent one after another to cry down the false worships covetous practises and to testifie of his comming which alwai●s suff●red by the multitude o● Priests and sal●e Prophets who when they came stil conspired against him and if thou look back since your lordly authority was set up in your Ministry you may see they have had their hands in the like practise against those who lived in hope of his appearance denying their worships and now it is ●alne into your hands who are garnishing their Sepulchers crying out against your fathers the Popes and the Bishops for their cruelty but are found deeper in it to your power than ever they was scarcely ever ceasing to stir any authority of the nation against the Lamb and his Light where it is made manifest yea many of your Generation not finding the Magistrate so ready to execute your bloody designes as you would have them have shed blood with your own hands even of the innocent and they are not a few that are guilty hereof in the north parts of this Nation and the kingdome of Christ hath been poore according to thy judgement yet hath these been his subjects nor hath he been without a body nor without a spouse so thou mayest read what a Church Christ hath and what a Church he hath had formerly yet is he not come to save a few raging quakers only but with ten thousand of his saints is he come to be avenged of that bloody Generation and for the Infidell thou tells on and the scorner of Christ that is he that cannot believe in him and his Light to be sufficient and what a church Christ hath had and hath we have shewed qu. 20. Did not the spirit of the Quakers speak in numbers 16. 3. just as you do now against magistrates and ministers and is not God very patient that causeth not the earth to open and swallow you up quick as it did them do you understand that the Simonians or disciples of Simon Magus and the Nicholaitans whose Doctrine and deeds Christ hateth Rev. 2. and other gnostick heriticks in the Apostles dayes did deal by them and the Church then as you do by us now and that the second Epistle of Peter the Epistle of Iude much of the first of Iohn and the second of Iohn were written purposely against them besides many other Scriptures and have you wel considered those Scriptures and applyed them to your selves Ans That Spirit of Christ we own is that meek Spirit that was in Moses against which the Rebellious Levites was then gathered who would condemn it of too much purity saying that all the congregation was holy the same which you do now calling all Christians and sprinkl●ng their Children under the name of believers and that Spirit which we own speaks not against Magistracy nor Ministry such as are appointed by God though it hath ever testified against the corruption of that Magistracy which by God was appointed yet canst not thou here shelter thy selfe who art out of the Doctrine of Christ in all thy Ministry and was never called by him and thy spirit we understand to be worse than Simon Magus for he believed in the Light of the Gospel but thou denyest it and he would have bought the gift which thou would sel if thou hadst it neither had he a hand in such works of envy against the Truth as thou and thy generation are found in though there then was heriticks who dealt with the Apostlesthen as you do with us now and those was and are the heriticks who abides not in the Doctrine of Christ who are proud and covetous cannot cease from sin have hearts exercised in wicked practises after Cain and Balaam and of these did Peter and Iude speak of in their Epistles 1 Iohn 4. 2 3 and Iohn also who declared that then Antichrist was gone into the i Iohn 5. 9 i0 World and that was the Spirit of
Antichrist who denyed Christ in them but they that believe hath the witness in themselves and they that abode not in the Doctrine of Christ and had the Father and 2 Iohn 9. 10 the Son they was not to receive them into their houses neither bid them God speed and wouldst thou be found in these practises and have us to apply these Scriptures to us who deny those practises thou canst not hide thy self here when thou finds us in those things apply thou those Scriptures unto us in the mean time take thy portion from them being condemned by them and we have considered those Scriptures and finde them written against thy generation and your practise and so we apply them unto you And for the clearer manifesting what Gospel and faith thou Preaches I shall lay down these queries following they being that which every true Minister knows and very needful to be known to all people FIrst Hath the first Adam power upon earth to defile all that are in him and hath not the second as much power and vertue to cleanse from all sin all that are in him if so then what is the cause men must commit sin and be imperfect while they live in this world 2. Whether is that new birth spoken on without which none can be saved Christ formed in believers or only a believing that he was manifest in the flesh 1655 years since and hath not the Devil and reprobates this beliefe latter mentioned 3. Hath any life eternal in them but who hath the flesh and blood of Christ in them and is life eternal known any other way savingly in this world while people live 4. Is any the Sons of God further then they are guided by the Spirit of God in all things and is not the Spirit of God a sufficient guide to all who have it in all things without any other help according to the measure received 5. Whether the Spirit of God in them who have it according to its measure be not the absolute Judge of all Spirits the opener of all Scriptures and whether needs it any visible thing to add to it or can any other thing judge it 6. Whether can any other Spirits judge of Scripture or any of the works of God aright but wrests Scripture to the destruction of creatures and calls light darkness and darkness light and can any other spirit judg according to God in any thing 7. Whether the Word of God can be changed or can it admit of severall meanings as to one particular thing is it visible or invisible ●●r is there any word but one and whether was that word before the letter and shall be when the letter is turned to dust 8. Whether is the least measure of saving faith present power against the greatest power of darkness and able to keep out of all sin whatsoever if the creature abide in it 9. Whether ever any Minister of Christ had any hand in imprisoning any man for coming into their meeting places or was any beat in the meeting places where a Minister of Christ was preacher and was it not the manner of the Apostles to reason and dispute in the Synagogues against their false worship and was not all persecutors and fighters against God who opposed them and is it not the same now where the same Spirits are and is that the Spirit of God or of the Devil which sayes its no more persecution to put such in prison than to burn a thiefe in the hand as thou dost 10. Where that temple of God is where the man of sins sits shewing himself that he is God and must not the Light of Israel reveale him first where he is and then binde him and cast him out and when he is cast out whether is not the body of sin wholly put off yea or nay or can he return in again unless the creatures mind go out to his temtations first and do not such depart out of the covenant of life and faith and so make shipwrack of the good conscience 11. Whether is the light of Christ Spirituall or can it be known any other way but in Spirit within and is not the light of Christ within the absolute way out of death and darkness or doth it stand need of any temporall thing to help it to enlighten those who are turned to it believe in it and love it 12. Whether is the Gospel Ministry the same it was in the Apostles times both for matter and manner means and maintenance if nor when was it changed and by whom into Steeplehouses Tythes and great Parsonages and that order of worship now used seeing you are erred out of the way of the Apostles in every particular of your worship 13. Whether may not the Spirit of God in whom it is use the same words against false teachers now as it former hath done against them that was found in the same practise and is there any plainer tryall of these two Spirits in this world the● by their fruits herein as is found in Scripture and is it now any more railing and bla●p●emy than it was then or by what name m●●t a lye be called according to Scripture and the practise of Christ These queries I have not put forth to keep up strife but being things much contended about with many if thou in plainness give an accompt o● thy faith herein the difference may be known betwixt us and you Priests Teachers and whether of us owns the Saints practise as is declared in Scripture but if thou fold them up by six together and send us to a book to seek an answer we know not where as thou d●dst in thy last book or if thou answer them with sleighting and shuffling when thou come to the Thing intended as thou hast done thou wilt be seen and thy cover wil discover thee to all the children of light FINIS