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A04214 A defence of a treatise touching the sufferings and victorie of Christ in the worke of our redemption Wherein in confirmed, 1 That Christ suffered for vs, not only bodily griefe, but also in his soule an impression of the proper wrath of God, which may be called the paines of Hell. 2 That after his death on the crosse he went not downe into Hell. For answere to the late writings of Mr Bilson, L. Bishop of Winchester, which he intitleth, The effect of certaine sermons, &c. Wherein he striueth mightly against the doctrine aforesaid. By Henry Iacob minister of the worde of God. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1600 (1600) STC 14333; ESTC S103093 208,719 214

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where_o also_o you_o ●●_o you_o pa._n 261._o ●●_o seem_v to_o infer_v that_o i_o forsooth_o do_v hold_n with_o your_o opinion_n that_o a_o christ_n pay_v the_o price_n of_o our_o redemption_n proper_o to_o the_o devil_n ●62_n pag._n 261_o ●62_n and_o not_o to_o god_n for_o this_o be_v it_o that_o here_o you_o mean_v &_o this_o though_o now_o in_o print_n you_o deliver_v it_o nothing_o so_o large_o and_o emphatical_o as_o you_o preach_v it_o yet_o this_o still_o in_o effect_n you_o maintain_v in_o certain_a b_o word_n out_o of_o ambrose_n which_o be_v pass_o strange_a to_o hear_v but_o how_o do_v i_o join_v to_o your_o opinion_n herein_o 69._o pag._n 68_o 69._o because_o i_o urge_v that_o the_o enemy_n must_v have_v a_o price_n for_o his_o captive_n i_o pray_v who_o be_v that_o enemy_n which_o must_v be_v satisfy_v the_o devil_n god_n forbid_v though_o i_o see_v that_o c_o you_o over_o earnest_o do_v thus_o profess_v 5.25_o pag._n 68_o treat_n 1._o ●ag_n 45._o ●●●at_n 5.25_o yet_o god_n 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decease_a and_o go_v out_o of_o this_o world_n and_o they_o mean_v it_o common_o for_o the_o destruction_n of_o their_o person_n from_o out_o of_o this_o world_n general_o and_o indifferent_o again_o oftentimes_o particular_o touch_v their_o body_n burial_n also_o particular_o many_o thing_n touch_v their_o soul_n state_n be_v part_v from_o the_o body_n some_o of_o which_o they_o believe_v be_v in_o blessedness_n some_o in_o torment_n although_o they_o signify_v neither_o of_o these_o in_o the_o word_n hades_n but_o only_o as_o i_o say_v their_o state_n after_o their_o departure_n hence_o also_o they_o think_v some_o of_o the_o bless_a soul_n to_o be_v in_o the_o a_o chief_a blessedness_n 376._o which_o you_o ●●iect_v pag._n ●●4_n 376._o that_o be_v in_o presence_n with_o the_o god_n yet_o they_o be_v in_o hades_n also_o that_o be_v in_o a_o other_o world_n after_o they_o be_v wipe_v out_o from_o hence_o hither_o they_o admit_v only_o philosopher_n ●_o treat_n 1_o pa._n ●_o heroê_n &_o 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