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the_o devyne_n latria_n and_o can_v be_v communicate_v without_o idolatry_n to_o any_o creature_n worship_n give_v to_o creature_n be_v distinguish_v according_a to_o the_o different_a degree_n of_o excellencye_n in_o the_o creature_n and_o so_o according_a to_o the_o different_a degree_n of_o the_o worth_n of_o creature_n the_o worship_n exhibit_v be_v several_o call_v as_o dulia_n sâ—perdulia_fw-la cultus_fw-la religiosus_fw-la and_o cultus_fw-la civilis_fw-la last_o it_o be_v further_a to_o be_v observe_v that_o by_o the_o exterior_a act_n it_o be_v not_o easy_a to_o distinguish_v the_o several_a kind_n of_o whorship_n for_o almost_o all_o exterior_a act_n sacrifice_n only_o except_v be_v common_a to_o every_o kind_n of_o worship_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la we_o recde_v that_o abraham_n with_o the_o same_o act_n of_o bow_v his_o body_n to_o the_o ground_n do_v adore_v god_n genes_n 17._o do_v worship_n angel_n genes_n 18._o and_o do_v worship_n man_n genes_n 23._o in_o like_o 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because_o it_o be_v dedicate_v to_o divine_a worship_n and_o if_o the_o vestment_n of_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o old_a law_n for_o the_o same_o reason_n be_v term_v holy_a 28._o and_o if_o the_o sepulchre_n or_o grave_n of_o christ_n be_v name_v glorious_a 11._o if_o also_o it_o be_v say_v in_o exodus_fw-la 3._o the_o place_n where_o it_o 〈…〉_z ou_fw-fr stand_v be_v holy_a and_o this_o say_v by_o reason_n of_o the_o presence_n of_o the_o angel_n be_v then_o there_o and_o if_o in_o the_o new_a testament_n the_o scripture_n be_v call_v 3._o sacrae_fw-la litterae_fw-la holy_a letter_n &_o this_o only_a by_o reason_n that_o the_o letter_n be_v sign_n of_o holy_a thing_n express_v by_o they_o and_o final_o if_o to_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n we_o be_v command_v to_o bow_v 2._o the_o sound_n of_o the_o word_n be_v to_o the_o care_n as_o the_o picture_n be_v to_o the_o eye_n then_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n why_o may_v we_o not_o beâ—re_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o saint_n a_o religious_a respect_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n of_o who_o they_o be_v make_v again_o leave_v divine_a authoritye_n and_o come_v to_o force_v of_o reason_n if_o a_o picture_n be_v capable_a of_o disgrace_n and_o injury_n in_o regard_n of_o the_o person_n thearein_o represent_v then_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n a_o picture_n may_v be_v capable_a of_o honour_n respect_n and_o reverence_n this_o inference_n be_v most_o demonstrative_a now_o that_o a_o picture_n be_v capable_a of_o disgrace_n or_o contumely_n be_v evident_a for_o example_n if_o a_o subject_n disloyalty_n affect_v to_o his_o prince_n shall_v deface_v tear_n or_o break_v or_o any_o otherwise_o indecent_o handle_v his_o prince_n picture_n as_o by_o stab_v it_o with_o his_o knife_n or_o the_o like_a or_o if_o some_o atheist_n denve_v all_o scripture_n shall_v betrample_v under_o his_o foot_n through_o scorn_n and_o malice_n the_o bible_n itself_o will_v not_o these_o action_n be_v severe_o chastise_v and_o may_v 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custom_n of_o stand_v barehead_a and_o give_v reverence_n to_o the_o cloth_n of_o estate_n even_o in_o the_o king_n absence_n â—or_a as_o to_o it_o as_o represent_v our_o temporal_a prince_n a_o civil_a honour_n may_v lawful_o be_v give_v so_o by_o the_o same_o ground_n a_o religious_a respect_n or_o honour_n may_v be_v ascrybed_n to_o the_o picture_n of_o christ_n who_o be_v our_o chief_a king_n and_o saviour_n that_o this_o our_o catholic_a doctrine_n be_v warrant_v by_o the_o practice_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n be_v most_o evident_a and_o therefore_o i_o refer_v the_o reader_n hearein_o to_o the_o clear_a testimony_n of_o 25._o austin_n 118._o ambrose_n leituâ—â—â—a_n chrysostome_n paulae_fw-la basill_n antiocum_fw-mi jerome_n 1080._o athanasius_n and_o other_o who_o whole_a sentence_n thereof_o be_v over_o long_o to_o set_v down_o this_o point_n of_o the_o father_n judgement_n touch_v image_n be_v so_o evident_a that_o we_o find_v learned_a protestant_n to_o confess_v no_o less_o of_o they_o for_o thus_o wâ—yte_v the_o centurist_n lactantius_n affirm_v many_o superstitious_a thing_n concern_v imperator_fw-la christ_n image_n 850._o and_o bede_n err_v in_o worship_v of_o image_n and_o osiander_n 288._o confsss_v that_o gregory_n by_o his_o indulgenses_n establish_a pilgrimage_n to_o image_n 27._o bale_n thus_o plain_o write_v leo_n allow_v the_o worship_v of_o image_n final_o m._n 57_o symondus_n thus_o accord_v with_o bale_n leo_n decree_v that_o reverence_n shall_v be_v give_v to_o image_n to_o all_o who_o confess_a testimony_n we_o may_v adjoine_v the_o acknowledgement_n of_o functius_n 494._o and_o cedrenus_n histor_n confess_v as_o they_o prove_v out_o of_o 27._o nicephorus_n that_o xenayas_n persa_n be_v the_o first_o in_o ancient_a time_n that_o impugn_a the_o due_a worship_n of_o image_n that_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o have_v image_n in_o
church_n be_v teach_v as_o true_a and_o warrantable_a doctrine_n by_o diverse_a learned_a protestant_n as_o by_o cempnitius_n 33._o by_o luther_n 12._o and_o brentius_n jacobus_n 39_o andreas_n etc._n etc._n but_o now_o i_o will_v conclude_v this_o discourse_n touch_v image_n with_o a_o most_o authentical_a and_o strange_a miracle_n wrought_v by_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o record_v by_o 14._o eusebius_n mathaei_n theophilact_fw-mi and_o 20._o zozemene_n all_o ancient_a &_o grave_a writer_n who_o authoritye_n herein_o if_o we_o reject_v we_o reject_v by_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o proof_n of_o all_o other_o thing_n record_v by_o ancient_a historiographer_n it_o be_v this_o the_o woman_n who_o our_o saviour_n cure_v of_o the_o bloody_a flux_n cause_v to_o be_v make_v a_o brazen_a image_n of_o christ_n at_o the_o foot_n whereof_o do_v spring_v a_o strange_a herb_n the_o which_o herb_n after_o it_o do_v ascend_v so_o high_a as_o to_o touch_v the_o scirt_n of_o the_o image_n it_o have_v virtue_n to_o cure_v all_o disease_n which_o virtue_n no_o doubt_n god_n will_v not_o have_v impart_v to_o the_o herb_n but_o only_o in_o manifestation_n that_o due_a respect_n may_v lawful_o be_v give_v to_o the_o image_n of_o christ_n and_o thus_o far_o touch_v the_o catholic_a doctrine_n of_o image_n touch_v prayer_n to_o saint_n touchinge_v prayer_n to_o saint_n i_o will_v deliver_v the_o catholic_a doctrine_n thereof_o in_o certain_a proposition_n which_o proposition_n may_v searue_v as_o certain_a gradual_a stips_fw-la or_o degree_n of_o this_o controversye_n the_o first_o proposition_n may_v be_v this_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a to_o pray_v to_o saint_n as_o author_n or_o principal_a dispensour_n of_o divine_a benefit_n to_o obtain_v from_o they_o either_o grace_n or_o glory_n or_o the_o mean_n of_o obtain_v our_o eternal_a felicity_n much_o less_o the_o crawne_v of_o glory_n or_o heaven_n itself_o since_o in_o this_o sense_n to_o pray_v to_o they_o be_v according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o s._n austin_n ult._n and_o all_o catholic_n to_o make_v saint_n go_n and_o therefore_o if_o at_o any_o time_n the_o word_n direct_v to_o saint_n shall_v sound_v otherwise_o as_o when_o we_o say_v our_o lady_n help_v i_o etc._n etc._n we_o be_v hear_v to_o insist_v in_o the_o sense_n not_o in_o the_o naked_a word_n that_o be_v our_o lady_n help_v i_o by_o her_o intercession_n and_o prayer_n to_o her_o son_n and_o no_o otherwise_o even_o as_o we_o find_v that_o s._n paul_n say_v of_o himself_o illis_fw-la if_o i_o may_v save_v some_o of_o they_o meaning_n of_o the_o gentill_n and_o again_o the_o say_a apostle_n say_v of_o himself_o to_o saluos_fw-la all_o man_n i_o be_o become_v all_o thing_n that_o i_o may_v save_v all_o meaning_n to_o save_v all_o not_o as_o god_n but_o only_o healp_v they_o and_o further_a their_o salvation_n by_o his_o preach_n to_o they_o and_o by_o his_o prayer_n for_o they_o which_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n be_v true_o understand_v may_v searâ—e_v well_o to_o stop_v the_o mouth_n of_o the_o protestant_a minister_n for_o their_o often_o mistake_v and_o misinterpret_v of_o the_o catholic_a doctrine_n touch_v prayer_n to_o saint_n the_o second_o proposition_n saint_n be_v not_o our_o immediate_a mediator_n by_o way_n of_o intercession_n with_o god_n but_o whatsoever_o they_o demand_n or_o obtain_v of_o god_n for_o we_o they_o demand_v and_o obtain_v it_o through_o christ_n and_o his_o merit_n and_o according_a hearto_fw-la we_o find_v that_o all_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v make_v to_o saint_n end_v with_o this_o clause_n per_fw-la christum_fw-la dominum_fw-la nostrum_fw-la for_o we_o willing_o acknowledge_v 14._o that_o no_o man_n come_v to_o the_o father_n by_o the_o son_n and_o that_o their_o be_v but_o one_o mediator_n of_o redemption_n though_o all_o the_o saint_n may_v be_v term_v our_o mediator_n by_o way_n of_o intercession_n the_o three_o proposition_n the_o saint_n which_o reigue_n with_o christ_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o this_o not_o only_o in_o general_n but_o in_o particular_a that_o be_v for_o particular_a man_n and_o for_o the_o particular_a necessity_n of_o the_o same_o men._n this_o be_v prove_v first_o from_o those_o word_n in_o jeremy_n 15._o if_o moses_n and_o samuel_n shall_v stand_v before_o i_o my_o soul_n be_v not_o towards_o this_o people_n from_o whence_o it_o be_v infer_v that_o moses_n and_o samuel_n then_o be_v dead_a might_n and_o be_v accustom_v to_o pray_v for_o the_o people_n of_o israel_n second_o the_o same_o be_v prove_v from_o the_o example_n of_o angel_n who_o do_v pray_v for_o we_o and_o have_v a_o care_n of_o we_o in_o particular_a as_o appear_v out_o of_o several_a passage_n of_o 8._o scripture_n but_o if_o the_o angel_n do_v pray_v for_o we_o then_o much_o more_o saint_n see_v so_o far_o forth_o as_o appertain_v to_o this_o function_n nothing_o be_v want_v to_o the_o saint_n in_o heaven_n which_o angel_n have_v for_o they_o be_v 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