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all_o spurious_a one_o as_o blondel_n himself_o and_o for_o your_o better_a direction_n you_o may_v see_v the_o name_n of_o blondel_n in_o the_o margin_n without_o any_o addition_n of_o book_n or_o chapter_n though_o a_o huguenot_n confess_v the_o prayer_n for_o the_o consecration_n of_o the_o element_n be_v that_o god_n will_v by_o his_o holy_a spirit_n sanctify_v the_o element_n whereby_o the_o bread_n may_v be_v make_v the_o body_n and_o wine_n the_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n and_o for_o this_o he_o cite_v st._n basils_n liturgy_n cyrill_n hieros_n mystag_n catech._n after_o that_o the_o act_n of_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a cyrill_n alexand._n ep._n ad_fw-la calosyr_n and_o greg._n nyssen_n orat._n catech._n and_o here_o we_o have_v all_o that_o pretend_v to_o demonstrate_v this_o change_n except_o optatus_n who_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o altar_n be_v the_o seat_n of_o the_o body_n and_o blood_n of_o christ_n now_o the_o mischief_n be_v first_o that_o all_o these_o author_n unless_o we_o may_v except_v cyrill_a of_o alexandria_n be_v spurious_a and_o have_v be_v prove_v so_o by_o dr._n hoyle_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o a_o popish_a friar_n and_o some_o other_o and_o first_o as_o for_o saint_n basils_n liturgy_n sect._n 5_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o even_o bellarmine_n himself_o dare_v not_o reckon_v it_o among_o st._n basils_n work_n second_o in_o this_o liturgy_n be_v appoint_v to_o be_v sing_v the_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o hymn_n council_n see_v the_o epistâ—h_n of_o the_o same_o felix_n to_o peter_n bishop_n of_o antioch_n and_o zeno_n the_o empetor_n in_o the_o second_o tâ—mb_n of_o the_o council_n which_o begin_v to_o be_v sing_v in_o the_o church_n about_o the_o time_n of_o felix_n the_o three_o who_o live_v anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 480._o whereas_o basil_n flourish_v anno_fw-la domini_fw-la 370._o or_o thereabouts_o it_o mention_n confessor_n after_o martyr_n whereas_o the_o romanist_n themselves_o confess_v they_o be_v not_o mention_v in_o their_o office_n till_o after_o the_o day_n of_o this_o st._n basil_n these_o and_o many_o other_o thing_n you_o may_v find_v against_o it_o in_o mornaeus_n and_o cocus_n and_o other_o protestant_a writer_n second_o as_o for_o the_o catechism_n of_o cyrill_n of_o jerusalem_n sect._n 6_o he_o tell_v we_o p._n 467_o 468._o that_o even_a papist_n themselves_o ascribe_v it_o to_o one_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n that_o live_v about_o 400_o hundred_o year_n after_o yea_o even_o gretser_n tell_v we_o that_o he_o have_v see_v a_o manuscript_n which_o ascribe_v these_o catechisâ—res_n to_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n yea_o in_o the_o greek_a library_n which_o the_o city_n of_o augusta_n buy_v of_o antonius_n governor_n of_o corcyra_n this_o book_n go_v under_o the_o same_o title_n the_o mistogogi_n call_v catechism_n of_o john_n of_o jerusalem_n as_o the_o index_n of_o these_o book_n do_v evidence_n nor_o do_v the_o butter_n
we_o have_v do_v it_o legal_o and_o with_o sufficient_a authority_n due_a moderation_n and_o other_o condition_n requisite_a yea_o we_o have_v the_o implicit_a consent_n of_o the_o eastern_a church_n which_o do_v with_o we_o reject_v these_o law_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n this_o we_o constant_o plead_v in_o our_o own_o behalf_n and_o yet_o we_o must_v be_v schismatic_n though_o neither_o all_o nor_o any_o of_o these_o plea_n can_v be_v invalidate_v again_o say_v he_o they_o acknowledge_v themselves_o subject_a to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o esteem_v this_o patriarchical_a church_n ibid._n ibid._n the_o only_a orthodox_n universal_a church_n and_o a_o separation_n from_o its_o pastor_n to_o beformal_a schism_n ans_fw-fr and_o will_v not_o the_o worshipper_n of_o the_o beast_n do_v so_o to_o he_o shall_v the_o grecian_a church_n entertain_v this_o faith_n will_v you_o esteem_v it_o any_o argument_n to_o prove_v they_o guilty_a of_o the_o crime_n of_o schism_n because_o former_o they_o esteem_v your_o church_n heretical_a and_o your_o supreme_a pastor_n a_o usurper_n if_o so_o then_o must_v man_n be_v schismatic_n whether_o they_o separate_v from_o you_o or_o join_v in_o communion_n with_o you_o if_o not_o i_o pray_v you_o why_o but_o because_o it_o be_v their_o duty_n to_o change_v their_o opinion_n in_o these_o particular_n which_o be_v evident_o our_o plea_n we_o find_v that_o what_o you_o call_v ancient_a doctrine_n from_o the_o beginning_n be_v not_o hold_v what_o you_o require_v to_o be_v embrace_v as_o a_o truth_n be_v evident_o condemn_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n etc._n etc._n and_o when_o you_o have_v talk_v yourself_o hoarse_a about_o the_o nature_n of_o schism_n you_o will_v still_o labour_v in_o the_o fire_n till_o you_o have_v prove_v that_o we_o be_v under_o a_o obligation_n to_o believe_v those_o doctrine_n as_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n which_o we_o reject_v as_o contrary_a to_o he_o reveal_v will_n which_o i_o expect_v shall_v be_v 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