Selected quad for the lemma: doctrine_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
doctrine_n	prove_v	scripture_n	tradition_n	3,537	5	9.6681	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A13322	The vvhetstone of reproofe A reprouing censure of the misintituled safe way: declaring it by discouerie of the authors fraudulent proceeding, & captious cauilling, to be a miere by-way drawing pore trauellers out of the royall & common streete, & leading them deceitfully in to a path of perdition. With a postscript of advertisements, especially touching the homilie & epistles attributed to Alfric: & a compendious retortiue discussion of the misapplyed by-way. Author T.T. Sacristan & Catholike Romanist.	T. T., Sacristan & Catholike Romanist.	1632 (1632)	STC 23630; ESTC S101974	352,216	770

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and_o the_o like_a absurdity_n sir_n humphrey_n commit_v in_o that_o which_o immediate_o followee_v attribute_v the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n to_o one_o mark_v a_o heretic_n because_o forsooth_o he_o by_o some_o kind_n of_o enchant_a invocation_n over_o the_o sacramental_a cup_n cause_v the_o wine_n to_o appear_v like_o blood_n which_o sacrilegious_a example_n and_o practice_n of_o marcus_n what_o force_v it_o can_v have_v to_o prove_v the_o romanist_n to_o be_v of_o that_o fellow_n pedigree_n let_v any_o indifferent_a man_n be_v judge_v and_o moreover_o to_o take_v away_o all_o doubt_n and_o assure_v himself_o the_o more_o let_v the_o reader_n but_o consider_v what_o s._n irenaeus_n in_o the_o same_o place_n cite_v by_o sir_n humphrey_n videlicet_fw-la libr._n 1._o cap._n 9_o say_v of_o that_o marcus_n i_o doubt_v not_o but_o he_o will_v see_v most_o clear_o how_o egregious_o our_o adversary_n abuse_v the_o romanist_n in_o this_o matter_n marcus_n say_v s._n irenaeus_n 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convincement_n of_o luther_n 6._o pag._n 6._o and_o the_o marginal_a note_n of_o that_o place_n be_v yet_o more_o false_a than_o the_o text_n say_v that_o the_o adversary_n of_o luther_n prove_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n by_o common_a reason_n only_o and_o as_o for_o eckius_fw-la i_o have_v read_v his_o whole_a treatise_n of_o indulgence_n &_o so_o i_o be_o sure_a he_o found_v they_o not_o upon_o the_o pope_n autheritie_n either_o only_a or_o chief_o but_o principal_o upon_o scripture_n for_o so_o he_o say_v page_n 313._o indulgentiarum_fw-la figurae_fw-la fuerunt_fw-la jubilei_fw-la in_o veteri_fw-la testamento_fw-la de_fw-fr his_fw-la sumus_fw-la contenti_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la habeamus_fw-la solidum_fw-la s._n paul●_n fundamentum_fw-la ne_fw-la credamur_fw-la diligentiores_fw-la in_o lucrosa_fw-la porro_fw-la etc._n etc._n 2._o 2._o cor._n 2._o and_o to_o the_o sense_n of_o these_o author_n may_v be_v reduce_v that_o which_o cunerus_n say_v of_o the_o doubtful_a manner_n 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speak_v not_o absolute_o of_o the_o substance_n of_o indulgence_n or_o of_o the_o authority_n to_o grant_n they_o which_o indeed_o be_v the_o chief_a question_n of_o controversy_n in_o this_o place_n &_o of_o which_o he_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o it_o be_v sufficient_o contain_v in_o scripture_n &_o father_n although_o as_o he_o say_v minus_fw-la express_a less_o expresselie_o but_o he_o only_o speak_v of_o the_o name_n as_o his_o word_n now_o relate_v do_v testify_v or_o at_o the_o most_o of_o the_o antiquity_n of_o their_o common_a use_n which_o not_o withstand_v it_o be_v no_o matter_n of_o faith_n yet_o do_v he_o show_v it_o not_o to_o be_v so_o new_a as_o the_o sectary_n of_o our_o time_n will_v have_v it_o &_o therefore_o he_o add_v by_o way_n of_o conclusion_n quod_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la tam_fw-la recens_fw-la indulgentiarum_fw-la usus_fw-la quantum_fw-la isti_fw-la haeretici_fw-la mean_v the_o lutheran_n exprobrant_fw-la nam_fw-la apud_fw-la romanos_fw-la 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