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B07998 Anti-Mortonus or An apology in defence of the Church of Rome. Against the grand imposture of Doctor Thomas Morton, Bishop of Durham. Whereto is added in the chapter XXXIII. An answere to his late sermon printed, and preached before His Maiesty in the cathedrall church of the same citty.. Price, John, 1576-1645. 1640 (1640) STC 20308; ESTC S94783 541,261 704

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