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A62556 A treatise of the nature of Catholick faith and heresie with reflexion upon the nullitie of the English Protestant church and clergy / by N.N. Talbot, Peter, 1620-1680. 1657 (1657) Wing T119; ESTC R38283 71,413 104

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church_n as_o divine_a revelation_n and_o whether_o protestant_n have_v any_o lawful_a exception_n against_o they_o 1_o there_o be_v so_o many_o book_n print_v in_o defence_n of_o these_o catholic_n tenet_n that_o i_o judge_v it_o superfluous_a to_o treat_v of_o they_o ex_fw-la professo_fw-la i_o will_v only_o answer_v some_o exception_n that_o protestant_n have_v make_v against_o they_o to_o myself_o in_o diverse_a occasion_n that_o the_o roman_a church_n do_v propose_v these_o article_n sufficient_o as_o divine_a revelation_n be_v clear_a because_o it_o propose_v they_o by_o the_o same_o testimony_n and_o confirm_v by_o the_o same_z sign_n whereby_o it_o propose_v scripture_n to_o be_v god_n word_n this_o last_o proposal_n protestant_n themselves_o grant_v to_o be_v so_o sufficient_a that_o no_o man_n may_v in_o prudence_n deny_v it_o therefore_o the_o same_o must_v be_v say_v of_o all_o the_o rest_n and_o in_o particular_a of_o transubstantiation_n and_o worship_n of_o image_n 2_o but_o let_v we_o
ourselves_o as_o much_o as_o be_v nece●_n sary_a but_o protestant_n stand_v upon_o such_o nice_a term_n wit●_n god_n and_o the_o church_n that_o if_o they_o come_v not_o short_a of_o wh●_n be_v necessary_a as_o twenty_o to_o one_o they_o will_v their_o neighbour_n shall_v be_v nothing_o the_o better_a for_o their_o belief_n 2_o i_o may_v urge_v this_o argument_n in_o a_o serious_a way_n and_o u●_n home_o if_o this_o be_v its_o proper_a place_n but_o to_o return_v to_o th●_n question_n whether_o protestancy_n be_v heresy_n i_o answer_v th●_n all_o opinion_n or_o tenet_n whether_o negative_a or_o affirmative_a that_o protestant_n hold_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o the_o rom●_n catholic_n church_n believe_v as_o a_o article_n of_o faith_n be_v h●_n resy_n which_o i_o demonstrate_v in_o this_o manner_n whatsoeu●_n opinion_n be_v contrary_a to_o any_o doctrine_n sufficient_o propose_v as_o divine_a revelation_n be_v heresy_n but_o all_o protestant_n prper_n tenet_n or_o opinion_n be_v contrary_a to_o some_o doctri●_fw-la sufficient_o propose_v as_o divine_a revelation_n therefore_o 〈◊〉_d protestant_n proper_n tenet_n or_o opinion_n be_v heresy_n th●_n first_o proposition_n be_v grant_v by_o our_o very_a adversary_n an●_n have_v be_v prove_v in_o the_o 3._o and_o 4._o chap._n the_o second_o 〈◊〉_d clear_a by_o what_o may_v be_v borrow_v from_o the_o same_o chapter_n and_o from_o the_o so_o and_o i_o apply_v to_o our_o question_n by_o this_o sy●_n logisme_n all_o the_o proper_a tener_n of_o protestancy_n be_v co●_n trary_a to_o some_o doctrine_n which_o the_o roman_a catholic_a church_n do_v testify_v to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d have_v be_v reveal_v by_o god_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n b●_n the_o testimony_n of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n be_v a_o suf●_n cient_a proposal_n of_o any_o doctrine_n to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n therefore_o all_o tenet_n or_o opinion_n proper_a to_o protestancy_n be_v contrary_a to_o some_o doctrine_n sufficient_o propose_v divine_a revelation_n 3_o if_o the_o second_o proposition_n of_o this_o last_o syllogism_n argument_n be_v demonstrate_v protestancy_n be_v demonstrate_v ●o_o be_v heresy_n therefore_o i_o prove_v it_o in_o my_o judgement_n ●ery_o clear_o that_o testimony_n be_v a_o sufficient_a proposal_n of_o sod_n reveal_v any_o doctrine_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n which_o testimony_n be_v confirm_v by_o miracle_n and_o have_v continue_v without_o interruption_n be_v exhibit_v in_o every_o ●ge_n from_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o this_o present_a by_o ho●est_n and_o know_v man_n but_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o roman_n catholic_n church_n have_v all_o this_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o sufficient_a ●toposall_n of_o any_o doctrine_n to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n or_o to_o ●ave_n be_v reveal_v by_o god_n to_o the_o primitive_a church_n that_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v confirm_v by_o ●●iracles_n even_o in_o those_o very_a point_n of_o doctrine_n wherein_o protestant_n differ_v from_o we_o be_v so_o evident_a that_o no_o prudent_a ●an_v if_o not_o obstinate_a can_v deny_v and_o be_v particular_o prove_v 〈◊〉_d the_o 13._o chap._n for_o how_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o all_o the_o world_n ●as_v i_o say_v before_o shall_v conspire_v to_o abuse_v protestant_n and_o ●amne_v themselves_o by_o feign_v miracle_n and_o that_o not_o only_o in_o this_o age_n but_o in_o every_o age_n since_o the_o primitive_a church_n the_o forge_n of_o some_o be_v no_o prudent_a prose_n that_o ●ll_o be_v forge_v if_o there_o be_v no_o miracle_n in_o the_o roman_a ca●olick_a church_n in_o confirmation_n of_o transubstantiation_n purgatory_n worship_n of_o image_n etc._n etc._n there_o be_v no_o faith_n to_o be_v give_v my_o man_n whosoever_o 4_o now_o it_o remain_v only_o to_o be_v prove_v that_o there_o have_v ●een_n a_o continual_a succession_n of_o honest_a and_o learned_a man_n ●f_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o every_o age_n since_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o this_o present_a who_o do_v bear_v witness_n that_o the_o doctrine_n which_o every_o respective_a former_a age_n deliver_v to_o ●he_n next_o ensue_v and_o we_o believe_v as_o faith_n be_v reveal_v by_o ●od_a to_o the_o first_o christian_n but_o this_o be_v evident_a by_o the_o condemn_a as_o heretic_n all_o those_o who_o in_o any_o age_n hold_v protestant_n tenet_n and_o be_v also_o prove_v in_o the_o 10._o chap._n ●s_v superfluous_a and_o troublesome_a to_o repeat_v it_o here_o again_o whosoever_o desire_v to_o be_v inform_v more_o at_o large_a and_o of_o ●very_n point_n in_o particular_a let_v he_o read_v the_o protestant_a apo●gy_n for_o the_o roman_a church_n there_o he_o will_v find_v what_o i_o ●ay_v to_o be_v so_o clear_a that_o our_o very_a learned_a adversary_n be_v force_v to_o acknowledge_v it_o and_o recurre_v to_o that_o old_a and_o desperate_a shift_n of_o heretic_n who_o say_v that_o the_o word_n of_o ●en_n be_v not_o to_o be_v believe_v as_o if_o the_o word_n of_o the_o same_o man_n who_o assure_v we_o that_o scripture_n be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v credible_a in_o that_o but_o in_o nothing_o else_o of_o this_o we_o have_v sai●_n enough_o before_o in_o the_o 5._o chap._n 5_o yet_o i_o will_v not_o omit_v to_o argue_v against_o protestant_n a●_n saint_a augustin_n do_v against_o jew_n and_o pagan_n with_o that_o in●_n genius_n dilemma_n whereof_o i_o make_v mention_n in_o the_o 3._o chap_n either_o the_o first_o learn_v and_o honest_a man_n who_o adore_a th●_n bless_a sacrament_n believe_v there_o be_v no_o bread_n in_o it_o worship_v image_n etc._n etc._n do_v see_v miracle_n to_o confirm_v these_o pretend_a novelty_n which_o creep_v in_o as_o protestant_a say_n t●_n the_o church_n or_o they_o do_v see_v no_o miracle_n to_o confirm_v they_o if_o they_o do_v see_v miracle_n i_o have_v my_o intent_n if_o they_o do_v se●_n none_n i_o have_v also_o my_o intent_n because_o the_o great_a of_o all_o m●_n racle_n be_v that_o wise_a and_o learned_a man_n shall_v without_o an●_n miracle_n see_v adore_v for_o god_n that_o which_o seem_v to_o be_v piece_n of_o bread_n and_o worship_v a_o statue_n or_o picture_n which_o 〈◊〉_d not_o only_a contrary_n as_o protestant_n say_v to_o clear_a scripture_n but_o also_o to_o common_a sense_n and_o reason_n by_o the_o same_o diego_n em●_n man_fw-mi i_o prove_v that_o every_o point_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o catholic_n against_o protestant_n be_v sufficient_o propose_v as_o divin●_n revelation_n either_o it_o be_v sufficient_o propose_v to_o the_o fir●_n christian_n who_o believe_v it_o or_o not_o if_o it_o be_v protestancy_n be_v heresy_n if_o it_o be_v not_o how_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o not_o only_o the_o first_o who_o believe_v or_o teach_v these_o superfluity_n bu●_n all_o the_o wise_a and_o honest_a man_n of_o the_o world_n for_o many_o age_n before_o the_o pretend_a reformation_n shall_v impose_v upon_o themselves_o unnecessary_a article_n as_o necessary_a and_o thereby_o betray_v posterity_n and_o damn_v themselves_o for_o believe_v thing_n which_o have_v no_o ground_n in_o scripture_n nor_o be_v testi●_n fie_v to_o they_o by_o any_o credible_a testimony_n of_o the_o christian●_n who_o go_v before_o they_o to_o be_v divine_a revelation_n all_o tha●_n protestant_n can_v say_v in_o their_o own_o defence_n have_v be_v con●_n fute_v in_o the_o 3.4.7.8_o and_o 9_o chap_n for_o all_o must_v be_v reduce●_n to_o three_o head_n 1._o that_o scripture_n and_o father_n be_v clea●_n against_o roman_a catholic_n 2._o that_o the_o private_a spirit_n i●_n for_o protestant_n 3._o that_o protestant_n be_v neither_o obstinate_a nor_o heretic_n because_o they_o do_v not_o believe_v that_o god_n re●_n veal_v transubstantiation_n purgatory_n etc._n etc._n all_o these_o thre●_n evasion_n and_o more_o have_v be_v confute_v in_o the_o foreman_n tion_v chapter_n to_o which_o i_o remit_v the_o reader_n 6_o i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o exception_n protestant_n can_v add_v t●_n their_o former_a against_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o roman_a cath●_n lick_v church_n unless_o they_o say_v i_o that_o it_o be_v not_o make_v an●_n thing_n prudent_o credible_a as_o divine_a revelation_n because_o we_o catholic_n can_v not_o make_v appear_v by_o reason_n how_o what_o we_o say_v be_v true_a as_o how_o accident_n can_v be_v without_o their_o proper_a subject_n etc._n etc._n but_o upon_o this_o score_n they_o may_v as_o well_o reject_v the_o mystery_n of_o the_o trinity_n incarnation_n as_o transubstantiation_n the_o catholic_n church_n be_v not_o the_o author_n of_o the_o doctrine_n it_o propose_v it_o be_v only_o a_o witness_n as_o christ_n himself_o declare_v when_o he_o send_v the_o apostle_n to_o preach_v you_o shall_v be_v my_o witness_n in_o jerusalem_n etc._n etc._n 1._o act._n 1._o only_o god_n who_o be_v the_o author_n of_o catholic_n doctrine_n can_v give_v a_o clear_a reason_n of_o some_o mystery_n and_o