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sequentes_fw-la quam_fw-la si_fw-la deam_fw-la ipsam_fw-la sequerentur_fw-la sequerentur_fw-la s._n joh._n 5._o 47._o 47._o hom._n 57_o in_o s._n joh._n 9_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d a_o s._n pet._n 1._o 19_o 19_o s._n chrysost._n ubi_fw-la suprd_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d tantâ_fw-la hominum_fw-la &_o temporam_fw-la consensione_n firmatum_fw-la s._n aug._n l._n de_fw-fr mor._n eccles._n cath._n c._n 29._o two_o libri_fw-la quoquo_fw-la modo_fw-la se_fw-la habent_fw-la sancti_fw-la tamen_fw-la divinarum_fw-la rerum_fw-la pleni_fw-la propè_fw-la totius_fw-la generis_fw-la humani_fw-la confession_n diffamantur_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n aug._n the_o util_a cred._n c._n 7._o &_o l._n 13._o cont_n faust._n c._n 15._o 15._o super_fw-la omnes_fw-la omnium_fw-la gentium_fw-la litter_n as_o s._n aug._n 11._o de_fw-la civit._fw-la dei_fw-la c._n 1._o 1._o incertum_fw-la esse_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la hos_fw-la esse_fw-la libros_fw-la canonicos_fw-la wal._n doct._n sid_n l._n 2._o a._n 2._o c._n 20._o 20._o canus_n loc._n l._n 2._o c._n 8._o facit_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la causam_fw-la sine_fw-la qua_fw-la non_fw-la non_fw-la §._o 16._o 16._o inter_fw-la omnes_fw-la penè_fw-la constat_fw-la aut_fw-la certè_fw-la id_fw-la quod_fw-la satis_fw-la est_fw-la inter_fw-la i_o &_o illos_fw-la cum_fw-la quibus_fw-la nunc_fw-la agitur_fw-la convenit_fw-la hoc_fw-la etc._n etc._n sic_fw-la in_o aliâ_fw-la causâ_fw-la cont_n manichaeos_n s._n aug._n l._n de_fw-fr mor._n eccl_n cath._n c._n 4._o 4._o vin._n lir._n cont_n haeres_fw-la c._n 2._o 2._o contra_fw-la epist._n fund_z c._n 5._o 5._o pamel_n in_o summar_n lib_fw-la ..._o videns_fw-la disputationibus_fw-la nihil_fw-la aut_fw-la parâ—m_fw-la profici_fw-la profici_fw-la act_n 6._o 9_o 9_o act_n 9_o 29._o 29._o act_n 19_o 17._o 17._o debilitatur_fw-la generosa_fw-la indoles_fw-la conject_v a_o in_o argutias_fw-la sen._n ep._n 48._o 48._o here_o a._n c._n have_v nothing_o to_o say_v but_o that_o the_o jesuit_n do_v not_o affirm_v that_o the_o lady_n ask_v this_o question_n in_o this_o or_o any_o other_o precise_a form_n no_o why_o the_o word_n precede_v be_v the_o jesuit_n own_v therefore_o if_o these_o be_v not_o the_o lady_n word_n he_o wrong_v she_o not_o i_o he_o he_o integritatâ—_n custodes_fw-la &_o rect_v a_o sectantes_fw-la de_fw-fr vera_fw-la relig._n c._n 5._o 5._o hooker_n l._n 3._o §._o 1._o junius_n l._n de_fw-la ec._n c._n 17._o falluntur_fw-la qui_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la negant_fw-la quia_fw-la papatus_fw-la in_o eâ_fw-la est_fw-la reynold_n thes._n 5._o negat_fw-la tantum_fw-la esse_fw-la catholicam_fw-la vel_fw-la sanum_fw-la ejus_fw-la membrum_fw-la nay_o the_o very_a separatist_n grant_v it_o fr._n johnson_n in_o his_o treatise_n call_v a_o christian_a plea_n print_v 1617._o p._n 123_o etc._n etc._n etc._n si_fw-mi tamen_fw-la bono_fw-mi ingenio_fw-la pietas_n &_o paâ—_n quaedam_fw-la mentis_fw-la accedat_fw-la sine_fw-la quà _fw-la de_fw-la sanctis_fw-la rebus_fw-la nihil_fw-la 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relect._n con._n 1._o q._n 5._o a._n 3_o lo_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o roman_a be_v then_o with_o the_o catholic_a church_n not_o of_o the_o catholic_a with_o it_o and_o s._n cyprian_n employ_v his_o legate_n caldonius_n and_o fortunatus_n not_o to_o bring_v the_o catholic_a church_n to_o the_o communion_n of_o rome_n but_o rome_n to_o the_o catholic_a church_n elâ—borarâ—nt_n â—t_a ad_fw-la catholica_fw-la ecclessae_fw-la unitatem_fw-la sâ—issâ—_fw-la corporis_fw-la member_n câ—â—pâ—â—erent_fw-la etc._n etc._n now_o the_o member_n of_o this_o rent_n and_o tear_v body_n be_v they_o of_o rome_n then_o in_o a_o open_a schism_n between_o corneliuâ—_n and_o nâ—vatian_n s._n cypr._n l._n 2._o epist._n 10._o a._n c._n p._n 54._o 54._o câ—m_fw-la infiniti_fw-la abusus_fw-la schismata_fw-la quoque_fw-la &_o haereses_fw-la per_fw-la totum_fw-la nunc_fw-la christianum_fw-la orbem_fw-la invalescant_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la dei_fw-la legitimâ_fw-la indigere_fw-la reformatione_fw-la nemiâ—â—_n 〈◊〉_d â—ertum_fw-la â—rit_fw-la peâ—_n de_fw-fr aliâ—co_n card._n camerâ—_n ceâ—â—iâ—_n l._n de_fw-fr refor_n ecclesiae_fw-la and_o if_o schism_n and_o heresy_n do_v then_o invade_v the_o whole_a christian_a world_n let_v a._n c._n consider_v how_o rome_n sâ—aped_v free_a and_o i_o think_v caâ—eracâ—â—sis_n be_v in_o this_o prophetical_a for_o sixty_o year_n and_o more_o before_o luther_n be_v bear_v and_o so_o before_o the_o great_a trouble_n which_o have_v since_o fall_v upon_o all_o christendom_n he_o use_v these_o word_n in_o the_o book_n which_o himself_o deliver_v up_o in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n nisi_fw-la celeriteâ—_n fiat_fw-la reformatio_fw-la audeo_fw-la dicere_fw-la quod_fw-la licet_fw-la magna_fw-la siâ—t_fw-la quae_fw-la videmus_fw-la tamen_fw-la in_o brevi_fw-la incomparabiliter_fw-la majora_fw-la vidâ—bimus_fw-la et_fw-la post_fw-la istae_fw-la â—onâ—â—rua_fw-la tam_fw-la â—â—rreâ—â—a_fw-la majora_fw-la alia_fw-la audiâ—mus_fw-la etc._n etc._n camet_n l._n de_fw-fr refor_n eccles._n and_o it_o will_v hardly_o sink_v into_o any_o man_n judgement_n that_o so_o great_a a_o man_n as_o pet._n â—s_n aliacâ—_n be_v in_o that_o church_n shall_v speak_v thus_o if_o he_o do_v not_o see_v some_o error_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o that_o church_n as_o well_o as_o in_o manner_n nay_o cassander_n though_o he_o live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n yet_o find_v fault_n with_o some_o of_o her_o doctrine_n consult_v artiâ—_n 21_o &_o 22._o and_o pope_n â—uliâ—â—â—_n the_o three_o profess_v â—e_n bononiâ—_n 〈◊〉_d sacramentorum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la ministerium_fw-la iâ—â—umerabiles_fw-la abusus_fw-la irrepâ—isse_fw-la espencaeus_fw-la in_o tit._n 1._o and_o yet_o he_o be_v onâ—_n of_o the_o bishop_n nay_o the_o chief_a legate_n in_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n trent_n a._n c._n p._n â—4_n â—4_n s._n mat._n 13._o 25._o 25._o for_o a._n c._n know_v well_o what_o strange_a doctrine_n be_v charge_v upon_o some_o pope_n and_o all_o bellarmine_n labour_n though_o great_a and_o full_a of_o art_n be_v not_o able_a to_o wish_v they_o clean_o 〈◊〉_d â—_o 4._o the_o râ—m_n pont._n c._n 8_o etc._n etc._n et_fw-la papas_n quosdam_fw-la grave_n errores_fw-la seminâ—ssâ—_n in_o ecclesid_n christi_fw-la luâ—e_fw-la claâ—â—â—s_fw-la est_fw-la et_fw-fr proâ—â—tuâ—â—dâ—aco_fw-it â—aco_z almain_n opusâ—_n de_fw-fr author_n ecclesiae_fw-la c._n 10._o and_o cassander_n speak_v it_o out_o more_o plain_o utiâ—am_fw-la 〈◊〉_d he_o speak_v of_o the_o bishop_n and_o rector_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n â—_o 〈◊〉_d haec_fw-la informaâ—â—â—_n 〈◊〉_d essâ—â—_n non_fw-la ipsi_fw-la â—arum_fw-la superstitionum_fw-la auctores_fw-la essent_fw-la vel_fw-la certè_fw-la 〈◊〉_d iâ—_n animiâ—_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d â—lâ—quandâ—_n 〈◊〉_d caâ—sâ_fw-la nutrirâ—â—â—_n cassand_n consultâ—_n art_n 21._o versus_fw-la finem_fw-la finem_fw-la grave_a omniâ—â—_n crimen_fw-la sâ—â—_n desensionem_fw-la longinquam_fw-la non_fw-la requirit_fw-la satis_fw-la 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rectè_fw-la scias_fw-la nos_fw-la fecisse_fw-la recedeâ—do_fw-la for_o it_o can_v be_v that_o a_o man_n shall_v do_v well_o in_o make_v a_o schism_n there_o may_v be_v therefore_o a_o necessary_a separation_n which_o yet_o incur_v not_o the_o blame_n of_o schism_n and_o that_o be_v when_o doctrine_n be_v teach_v contrary_a to_o the_o catholic_a faith_n †_o s._n matth._n 18._o 7._o a._n c._n â—_o 55_o 56._o 56._o a._n c._n p._n 57_o a._n c._n p._n 55._o a._n c._n p._n 56._o 56._o conventus_fw-la fuit_fw-la ordinum_fw-la imperii_fw-la