are true ones unless I can prove a lineal succession of them from the Apostles times to these let me see what lineal succession is of your Churches from the Apostles daies if I ask you Praelatick Priests as the Masse Priests do where was your Church before Luther and you Presbyterians where was your Church before Calvin in both whose daies you cannot deny but that of those that denyed infant-baptism there were abundance must you not needs see both your Churches swallowed up in the Sea of Rome and for ages and generations together making one with that were not the two little heads of the Roman Eagle spoken of 2 Esdras 11.12 which are the two smaller kingdomes of the Clergy i. e. Prelacy and Presbytery making one head with the great one i. e. the Popedome till of late they separated from him First sure I am you may labour till you are weary and look till your eyes fail before you find a series of visible protestant Churches before Luther and as universal as you Protestant priesthood do proclaim your selves and your Church to have been yet I tell you t will puzzle you to derive your pedigree from the Apostles if the Pope put you to prove it by induction and ennumeration of Churches succeeding without interruption unless you will own him to be your father as to your Clericall function you are fain to do Whereupon in the book stiled Luthers predecessors or an answer to the question of the Papists viz. Where was your Church before Luther p. 3.4 I find it ingenuously acknowledged by the nameless Author thereof in his undertaking to answer that question That if the Papistry the Protestant to assign any visible constituted Church which might have been known by the distinction and succession of Bishops Elders Deacons c. the task is unequal and that records of such a thing are wanting insomuch that he puts it off in replying to the Papists thus That they cannot prove that the Church must alwaies be in such manner visible that in Elias time there were 7000 unknown to him much more to Ahab that in Christs passion some papists say the Church was in Mary the Church being like the Moon allwaies lasting yet not alwaies in the full And then in resolution to the quaere it self alledges not any one protestant Church at all but onely here and there a Protestant professor as Wickliff and such mostly as were after him inlightned by his Doctrine and did suffer for giving testimony thereto so the Iesuitish question is thus answered I find it also thereupon the file that in a conference which was once held upon the same question by Dr. White and Dr. Featley against two others viz. Fisher and Sweet Dr. Featley chose rather to prove a continual succession of protestants by the truth of their doctrine then the truth of the Protestant Churches and doctrine by a perpetuity of succession and so doth that Author himself who ever it was that wrote the answer to that papistical question as well aware that protestant Churches cannot prove themselves true by succession p. 1.2 What saith he if we could not prove that the English Church was before Luther Must it needs follow that the doctrine we hold is untrue or shall the doctrine of Rome be ever the truer because of Antiquitie only No certainly And why not because the Church must be proved and allowed by the doctrine and not the Doctrine authorized by the Church which the Papists a people wise in their generation well knowing have overturned the course of Nature and will have the Scripture and all doctrine to hang upon the determination of the Church hoping that if once they have amazed any one with the name of the Church and driven him from title and interest in the Church before Luthers time they shall easily call in question the whole frame of the doctrine of the reformed Churches So that we see the Protestants are fain to fence off the papists arguments from universality Antiquity perpetuity in which Rome outstrips the reformed Churches with pleading only the verity of their doctrine and its being persecuted in some few professors of it before Luther Yea verily if universality perpetuity or antiquity either I mean that post primitive Antiquity of the fourth or fifth Century may pass for president more current then the primitive the Pope and his priesthood may prove the protestant priesthood to be but upstart Novices to them by this way of arguing from the antient perpetual universal practise of their Church I write not this as taking the Papists part against the Protestants for so far am I from justifying the Iesuites that I rather fight with Dr. Featley and his friend against them in this case holding with them that no succession of true visible and rightly constituted Churches can be shewn of either your way or ours in all that time of popish unity and universallity but I do it to this end onely ut hos suo Iugulensus gladio as Dr. Featley saies of us p. 88. that I may fight against Featleys followers in the point of infants baptism with Featleys own Fauchin i. e. saâ—isfie them concerning the narrownesse novelty and invisibility of our Church in times of popery when they say where was our Church before Nicholas Stock the very same way and no other then that wherin they excuse the non-appearance of their Protestanâ—s Churches then to the Iesuits when vaunting in their own visible universallity they ask them where was your Church before Luther for verily if it must be taken from you by the Papists as evidence good enough that your Churches are the true Churches and lineally descended from Christ though none of them ever visibly appeared before Luther in all that time of the Popes Peterdome ore his fellows because your doctrine is truer then that of theirs and specially since several witnesses successively held it out against Romes contradictions then I hope it shall be taken from us by you Protestants as good evidence that our Churches are yet truer then yours and such as have been as much as yours have been in visible constitution from the time of the treading down till this modern resurrection because our doctrine and practise is that of the primitive and purest times specially since we can evince it as clearly that many witnessed the truth of it against infant-baptism in times of priestly tyranny as you can that any have witnessed yours at all For howbeit you say your infants baptism was not so much as questioned till of late if you had your wits so well about you as you should you could not but see that t was almost ever opposed for though it were never heard of in the first Century yet that it hath been ever withstood since it came up is most evident by the conflicts of corrupt times for it for what made such controversies among the fathers about it what mâ—de Cyprian and his 66 Bishops conven'd in councel lay
whole truth and are built upon the whole foundation or beginning doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles do yet ignorantly withstand it and some even of these bitterly band against it I shall the Lord assisting in all possible meeknesse brevity and plainnesse make good unto them and that in this one single long-winded syllogism onely least the presse which now presses on apace after me and is at the very heels of me all along at my penning of this whole businesse called Anti-ranterism should overtake me and stand still for want of such supply as it expects hourly from me least also I out run too much as I have almost done already the bounds prefixed to this interposed Treatise the Minor proposition of which argument being proved and cleared from those clouds of objection wherewith some strive to darken it will both evince and evidence the continuance of that service also in its right use to this day so sufficiently that howbeit much more might be spoken yet no more shall at this time at least by me Whatsoever was in the primitive times taught practised dispensed or submitted to own'd or observed as a command of Christ as one of the oracles or holy things of God as a part of that foundation on which the true visible Church is built as one of the very principles of the doctrine of Christ as a practical part of the Law Will and Testament of Christ concerning them in order to their receiving the holy spirit of promise according to the promise at their first beginning to be disciples at or about the time of their baptism and before actual fellowship in the visible Church in all the Churches and among all baptized believers even men and women without exception of any without the least hint of any limitation of it to those times onely and without the least intimation to us in the word of Christ that t was his will it should then cease and hath also plain injunction form Christ for its continuance for its being taught to and observed by the disciples that should be successively in all the world through all nations and generations of it to the end and hath also the same ends grounds and reasons why it was to be used continuing still to this day as much as then is certinly in the same manner as then to be observed to this very day But on this wise is that service of prayer and laying on of hands not onely on officers Deacons Elders messengers in order to their receiving of the holy spirit to impower them in a fuller measure for those severall functions but also on common disciples men and women in order to their receiving the holy spirit in such manner and measure as Christ Iesus shall be pleased to impart it in to comfort them under sufferings and make them fit for fellowship in the body or visible Church Therefore that service of laying on of hands with prayer on common disciples men and women as well as that on officers in order to their offices is now to be observed as in former daies The first proposition is so undoubtedly true that if any should be so irrational as to deny it as I judge none will but the Rakesham Ranter that regards neither God nor devil and reckons on all Christs commands as not worth a rush I shall be more rationall then to believe him to be a man fit to reason with or that it can be to any purpose in never so reasonable a manner to bespeak him As for the Minor wherein t is affirmed that the businesse of prayer and laying on of hands after baptism in water upon every disciple man or woman is such as was taught practised dispensed submitted to ownd and observed as an ordinance and command of Christ c. as it followes in the Major that remains yet to be cleared which by that time I shall have done in each of those particulars that are there asserted of it either expressely or by such plain and legitimate deductions and inferences from the Scripture as may be justly satisfactory to any sincere souls that love truth and allow others to draw inferences from the word without which who can prove that he shall be saved as well as themselves and by discovering the weaknesse of such exceptions as are ordinarily made against the present use of this rite or service t wil be more then high time for me to quit this subject also whereas therfore contrary to what is asserted in the very front of the foregoing argument viz. that laying on of hands was taught in the primitive times I find it intimated to us by way of query that some who even therefore as well as for other reasons by them rendred cannot practise it are in no wise satisfied that such a thing as laying on of hands on all baptized believers was ever taught by either Christ or his Apostles in proof of this that laying on of hands was taught I send such as doubt of it first to the name of doctrine of Christ by which in common together with the other five principles of it it is denominated Heb. 6.1.2 leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith towards God and of the doctrine of baptisms and of laying on of hands which denomination of doctrine of Christ could not possibly belong to it properly but that it was somewhere or at sometime or other taught by either Christ or his Apostles or disciples in the judgement of any that are but so far learned as to know whence the word doctrine is derived which as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in the greek is of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 so is of doceo to teach but secondly whereas t is desired that we should if we know of any direct to some place of Scripture where ever Christ or any of his Apostles or disciples did preach this doctrine that all baptized believers ought to practise or submit unto laying on of hands for my own part I shall direct the enquirers to several Scriptures in one of which as it is expresse enough so in the rest its plain enough to such as are not more resolved to proceed in propounding questions then when they are answered to be resolved that some or other of the Apostles or disciples of Christ did teach and preach that doctrine the first of these is Heb. 5.12 where to that Church of the Hebrews or Iews the very platform to all the rest which as to its more compleat outward form and order and that denomination of the Church to which God added dayly such as should be saved had its first being and beginning under Peters teaching Act. 2. t is said thus viz. whereas for the time ye ought to be teachers ye have need to be taught again which be the first principles of the oracles of God Where note first from the words taught again that they were taught
were you baptized saies he if at least you have not so much as heard of it as who should say who baptized you I wonder and did not so much as instruct you about the spirit nor laying on their hands pray for you that you might receive the spirit this plainly shewes that by right they should all about the time of their baptism in water have heard of the holy spirit and in what way it was to have been expected by them even that of laying on of hands none of all which they having so much as heard of as yet Paul therefore after some words of fuller information to them and such other passages as fell out thereupon laid his hands on them verse 6. in order to their receiving the holy spirit These Scriptures what they are to others I know not are to me a cleer and safe conduct into the belief of this truth that the doctrine of laying on of hands with prayer in order to receiving the holy spirit both was in the primitive times and was to be preached to all baptized believers as that which was no lesse then their duty to own and submit to have dispensed to them And as it was so universally taught and preached so was it as universally in those times practised dispensed submitted to ownd and observed in all the churches and among all baptized believers even men and women without exception This is evident out of the four forenamed places viz. in the first of which it is not only expresse that they i. e. all that Jewish Church had been taught this principle among the rest but also that it had been practically owned and observed among them as well as all the rest for as it s said there of all the principles together that these Jewes had need to be taught them again so that they should not now lay them again but go on to perfection which shews that as these principles had been all preacht to them all so all these Jewes or Hebrews did once lay them all as a foundation at their first beginning to be a Church and therfore this of laying on of hands among the rest In the second we read that Paul laid his hands on all the baptized believers that he found at Ephesus being then no more in number then about 12. speaking as it were by way of blame and reproof of those by whom they were baptized that this was not also done by them at their baptism in order to their receiving the holy spirit much more in that they were not so much as informed that there was a holy spirit to be expected by them ver 32.3 which may serve also as an Argument to them that say as some of the inquirers do that the reproof of the omission of any service doth evince that that service ought to have been performed and as an answer also to the fourth question of the abovenamed enquirers with the ground thereof which is this viz. In the third place we find it most expressely asserted that Peter and Iohn prayed for them that they might receive the holy spirit and laid their hands on them i. e. all those men and women for that 's the only substantive to this pronoun them in that place of whom it s said before that they were baptized in the name of the Lord Iesus which word only they were baptized intimates to us thus much also viz. that though they had submitted so far as to baptism yet they had not practised all that was to be practised by them but that some other service was yet behind which ought to be performed towards them viz. that of laying on of hands In the fourth it s asserted also most plainly that all the three thousand believers that were baptized did gladly receive the word i. e. the word that Peter preacht to them who exhorted them with many other words then those that are there specified viz. repentance and baptism and that they continued in the Apostles doctrine of which word and doctrine if we may judge the word or doctrine of Christ the Apostles to be one and the same laying on of hands was part as well as faith repentance baptism resurrection and judgement Heb. 6.1.2 besides if the word and doctrine of Christ that was preacht and practised at Jerusalem was the self same word and doctrine that was after preacht and practised at Samaria then we may safely gather that whatever was preacht and practised by them at Samaria had been preacht and practised by them at Ierusalem before from whence they came immediately to Samaria where its easie to be discerned by any but such as will bend their brains to multiply impertinencies and to make bluâ—ies to themselves and others in businesses that are beyond doubt to impartial inquirers that they laid hands praying for them that they might receive the holy spirit on all those believers there that were baptized whether men or women without exception if we may as warrantably understand the men and women that are said to be baptized v. 12. to be the same persons that are said to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus v. 16. and the same persons that are denoted by that pronoun them v. 14.15.16 as I am sure we cannot warrantably because not congruously do otherwise for who else can be meant all along but the very same and not some of them onely but even all the same even the men and women that are related above to be baptized for whereas its said ver 12. when they believed they were baptized both men and women and v. 16. that the holy spirit was fallen upon none of them onely they were baptized must not they and them there be taken for all those that are said to be baptized above and so consequently when it is said ver 15. that they prayed for them and ver 17. that they laid their hands on them doth not them denote out the very same Yet this cannot be digested for truth with some of the inquirers for t was asserted as his opinion the rest assenting to it by their silence by one of those with whom we had some discourse at Ely house Maâ—ch 27. 1653. whether the same be the sense of all those that sent him I know not that Peter and Iohn did not with prayer lay hands on all the baptized believers at Samaria but on the men only and not on the women And whereas in proof of the contrary I asserted that the pronoun them in v. 14.15.16.17 doth relate to not the men onely but the men and women even all those that are said to be baptized as the adaequate substantive with which it did agree t was answered by him to this purpose a pretty put off I confesse but nothing to the purpose viz. that the Scripture had expressions both particular indefinite and universal that the word them here as t was not a particular so t was not an universal for then it would have
but as t is asserted in the argument as a practical part of the Law will and Testament of Christ concerning baptized believers as one of the oracles or holy things of God as one of the very principles of the doctrine of Christ as a part of the foundation or beginning word of Christ as well as baptism or of the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles on which the true visible Church is built as upon a certain basis and from which the whole building growth up an holy temple in the Lord toward perfection an habitation of God through the spirit being first fitly framed together by a joint uniform visible obedience unto that one whole form of doctrine whereof I say this laying on of hands was a part and was practised at their first beginning to be disciples at or about the time of their baptism and before actual fellowship in the visible Church this all is clear enough of it self to him that consults Heb. 5.2.6.1 considerately comparing them with Eph. 2.20.21.22 Rom. 6.17 Act. 2.42.8.12.14.15.16.17.19.2.6 out of all which places at least collectively consulted with we cannot but see that after baptism and before fellowship in one body or building in higher things there was this of laying on of hands practised owned observed as one of the first principles of Gods oracles of Christs doctrine Antecedent to fellowship and laid as a part of that first form of doctrine that was delivered and obeyed after obedience to the whole of which they were counted babes in Christ new born begotten to him belonging to him and in present capacity as no fleshly babes are to be added and admitted into his Church and as one piece of that foundation or word of the beginning of Christ on which the Church it self is built and therefore necessarily precedent among persons to their fellowship together in it for the foundation must ever be wholly laid even in every part of it and therefore why not in laying on of hands before there can be any firm or any but a deformed or defective building no more therefore as unto that Again that it was dispensed together with prayer for it on all baptized believers in order to their receiving the holy spirit t is not denied by any for ought I know as indeed it is undeniable to all Act. 8.15.16.17.19.2.6 And further there is not the least hint of any limitation of that doctrine of laying on of hands on all baptized believers to those times onely or intimation in the word of Christ that t was his mind there should then be a cessation of it any more then there is of baptizing all believers or any other ordinance or outward administration or any other of the principles of Christs doctrine if there be I desire of the Enquirers who use inferences themselves and yet allow not us to speak any thing as to the continuance of this ordinance but some expresse text of Scripture to shew some Scripture if they know of any that speaks expressely or if it be but consequentially it shall serve my turn though from us it will not theirs so the consequence be legitimate and truly rational of the continuation of all other the principles of the doctrine of Christ and the cessation of onely this of laying on of hands on all baptized believers for what we are sure was in use among all baptized believers in the primitive times it concerns them that call for a cessation of it alone among all the principles of Gods oracles to shew us some plain word of Christ for the right of such a cessation of that onely and no other before they blame us for calling on them for a continuance of that still but for my part as I find none so I suppose they may look till their eyes are weary before they can out of Christs testament not a tittle of which is yet disanul'd produce any text tending to such a purpose And because I have inserted and asserted no lesse in the Minor of the Argument I am yet in proving then this viz. that as there 's no intimation of any cessation of laying on of hands on all baptized believers till such time as the work of baptizing all believers it self shall cease but also a plain injunction from Christ for the continuance of the one of these as long as the other and for a continual teaching and observation of both as well as either among all the disciples that should be in all nations to the worlds end I le direct the enquirers to a plain text of Scripture for it viz. Matth. 28.20 whence suppositis supponendis taking it for granted till I shall see more then ever I have yet seen from them or I believe ever shall see from any to the contrary that the dispensation practise use and observation of laying on of hands among the Apostles and the primitive baptized believers who expected that whatever the Apostles delivered to them was first commanded them of God Act. 10.33 was no other then what God commanded then to them all it is as plain as the high way that the very same is commanded to be continued downwards even to be taught to and observed by all that ever should be discipled in the nations to the worlds end for on the very day in which Christ was taken up after that he through the holy spirit had given commandments to the Apostles whom he had chosen being seen of them four'y daies after his resurrection and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdome of God among which I quaery of the Enquirers whether laying on of hands were not one he expresly charges them that whatever he had taught and enjoined them to observe they should teach all the nations i. e. the disciples and baptized believers in all nations to observe the very same promising his presence in the observation of the same among his disciples not to the end of that generation or age onely but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as I have shewed above to the end of the very world itself Going out teach all nations baptizing them i. e. that believe teaching them i. e. the now newly baptized believers to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you and therefore laying on of hands surely it being one of the principles of his doctrine and lo I am with you i. e. not your persons onely but your party not your selves onely whilest you live but your successors also in what age soever they shall live in the observation of what I have commanded you and shall command them by you alwaies to the end of the world Finally that laying on of hands on baptizd believers hath the same ends grounds and reasons why it was to be used continuing still to this very day as much as as in the primitive times is as evident as all the rest for as the grounds and reasons why they observed such a service then were and could be no other then the manifestation of
in thus To all which viz. their introduction ground and question I answer as followeth First I deny not but that hands were laid on men then by several sorts of administrators godly and wicked in the several seasons of before and after baptism to and upon several ends purposes and accounts though all the several ends and cases you here distinguish by do not make so many several kinds of imposition of hands neither so substantially distinct each from other as you would seem to make them for imposition of hands on baptized believers before admission and after that before ordination to office were one and the same in kind distinguished onely by the different capacities of membership and ministership eldership messengership to each of which laying on of hands was Antecedent yea these were one and the same kind of imposition of hands used all in order to one and the same end in general viz. receiving the holy spirit or as occasion was more and more of the spirit in a measure answerable to their places diversified onely by the different degrees or stations in the Church to which they were thereby visibly designed but what if there were never so many kinds of laying on of hands is it therefore so impossible to determine as by your query you seem to imagine which among all the rest is meant in such or such a place shall we think the Apostles meant to deliver the mind and doctrine of Christ and that in the very principles or first rudiments of it too which ought to be the plainest in such obstruse dark and ae igmatical wayes that men should scarcely be capable possibly to know what they meant there 's several sorts of baptism spoken of in the Scripture is it therefore so difficult if men be not willing as some are to puzzle themselves besides the practise of water baptism to know when he speaks of water when of sufferings when of the spirit But to the question sith some will needs though needlesly query which of all these layings on of lands the Scripture speaks of is called the foundation principle or beginning doctrine I answer that laying on of hands that t was dispensed with prayer on baptized believers not as yet to be set apart to office mentioned Act. 8.15 16.17 not in order to gifted mens giving it for though you will mistake us do what we can and bring us in as confessing it here yet we ever utterly deny that any men were ever so gifted as that they could give it but in order to Gods giving and our receiving the holy spirit from the Lord that laying on of hands I say is it which in Heb. 6.1.2 is called a principle a part of that foundation of Christs doctrine on which the visible Church is built In proof of which let this Argument be considered viz. It s none of all the other kinds of laying on of lands mentioned by you that is meant Heb. 6.2 therefore it must necessarily be that Most undoubâ—edly t is not that mentioned Luke 21.12 where it s said prophetically as concerning the wickeds persecution of the Saints thâ—y shall lay their hands on you c. which we read of also as fulfilled accordingly and spoken of historically Act. 5.18 they laid their hands on the Apostles and put them in prison c. First because that is not simply a laying on of hands but a laying on of violent hands and so it should be read if the word there used were rightly rendred and translated into its true English out of the Greek for t is not the same but a word of a far different sense from that which is used every where else where this doctâ—ine of imposition of hands is spoken of for one sounds forth as much as a violent handling the other a gentle putting or laying our hands upon the persons Secondly as for that violent laying on of hands in way of persecution wherby the saints suffer that 's included in the doctrine of baptisms immediately foregoing it belonging to one of the three viz. the bitter baptism of sufferings as a branch thereof so that it were but confusion and tautology to expresse that ore again as if t were anoâ—her doctrine which was but a part of the doctrine going before by another name and such a one too as is never given it in the original viz. of imposition of hands Thirdly whatever doctrine is called a principle or part of the foundation of the doctrine of Christ Heb. 6.2 the same is called Heb. 5.12 one of the principles of the oracles or the holy things of God But the laying on of violent hands on the saints in way of persecution is one of the principles of the devils doctrine and a principal part of the very foundation of his kingdome yea one of the most wicked things that the devil does or delivers as Christs doctrine to his disciples Nor was it a laying on of hands though such a one was used some times in order to healing the sick or curing the blind that was taught as a principle and practically ownd and laid as a part of the foundation among all the Hebrewes Heb. 5.12.6.1 2. for they were neither all sick surely nor all blind when they past under this dispensation so as to have all need to have hands laid on them all upon such accounts as healing or curing Nor was it in order to ordination of them to offices that they might be gifted and fitted by the spirit thereunto for the laying on of hands there spoken of was laid as a principle as a part of the foundation on which the Church stood but the laying on of hands to set apart men to administer either temporal things or spiritual things in the Church is no principle nor beginning thing nor foundation antecedent to the Church as every foundation must be to the building for the visible Church ever since the first Apostles whose doctrine was the foundation to it was antecedent to its officers and not they to it the churches were first collected and constituted upon the foundation or first form of doctrine delivered by the Apostles and then officers were ordained in every Church for the true visible Church may be without officers though not without ordinances but Church officers cannot be chosen nor ordained in it till there be a Church besides this imposition Heb. 6.2 was learnt owned and laid by the whole body of the Church whom he reproves saying ye might have been teachers but ye had need to be taught again which be the first principles of the oracles of God but they were not all at first surely by laying on of hands ordained to office As to the sixth question of the Enquirers which is also the last that I am to speak to having spoke to the seventh and eighth above which with the ground thereof runs thus it is grounded upon such a grosse and grievous mistake that I am almost amazed that of the
according to the word it is because there is no light in them Isa. 8 19 20. Ask therefore the High Priest Christ Jesus and if you cannot be resolved so speedily as you desire to your satisfaction and content be content to stay till God shall reveal in the mean time while you doubt suspend the practise and do nothing doubtingly but exercise your selves the while in searching the Scripture and prayer to which pretious practise God hath made many pretious promises in his word as namely That they shall be undefiled in the way that seek the Lord with their whole heart Psalm 119.1 2. That if thou wilt turn at his reproof though thou hast been a simple one and hast loved simplicity a scorner that delightest in scorning and jearing at the truth and a fool that hath hated knowledge which all are high degrees of sin yet he will powre out his spirit upon thee which happily hath been thy laughing stock and make known his words unto thee Prov. 1.22.23 that if thou wilt receive his words and hide his commaddements within thee If thou incline thine ear unto wisdom and apply thy heart unto understanding yea if thou cryest after knowledge and liftest up thy voice for understanding if thou seekest her as silver and searchest for her as for hid treasure then thou shalt understand the fear of the Lord and find the knowledge of God Prov. 2.1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Yet be assured of this humble ignorance in many questions debated in these daies by Divines and also in old time before us by learned Schoolmen and Casuists and by the Popish priests that reason about the unreasonable fopperries and refusely scum that arises out of the dead sea of their divinity is more acceptable to God then contentious curiousity yet not such humble ignorance about the ordinances of Christ as our Priesthood would hold men in as if the Law and Oracles of Christ which are all plain to him that understandeth were in things necessary to salvation so difficult and obstruse that poor mechanicks must meddle no more in t then they have leave from them in facili et apecto postta est salus the way of salvation is plain to be found in the book of God he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of the Lord for remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy spirit but the PPPriesthood hath led men the next way round about to salvation and framed a new Gospel for their followers which Scripture makes no mention of at all but as those Israelites that were led up and down the wildernesse so long God had sworne should not enter into his xest so neither shall those Christians that when the truth lyes plain before them delight rather to trace to and fro in the thicket of traditions received from their after forefathers then in the way of the first fathers of the Church and love more to wander then to walk in the narrow way of truth in the vast forrest wondrous wood and wide wildernesse of the PPPriests inventions 9. Consider sadly in heresie the sin the punishment the sin St. Paul places it among the works of the flesh Murder Idolatry Witchcraft Drunkenness c. and well may for t is onely in favour of the flesh and for some base fleshly ends or other that men depart from the way of truth and not of the spirit for that leadeth those that are resolved to be led by it as it speaks in the Scriptures into all truth as it is in the mind of Christ Jesus Iohn 14. The least heresie cannot be excused the nature of it is to gather as it grows it is to run downhil and that 's the cause why so many follow it and so few the truth for its an uphill a narrow way that leads to life therefore few find it but facilis descensus averni the way to the bottomlesse pit is an easie and broad descent therefore many there be that go in thereat even whole towns Counties Kingdoms yea the whole world 1 Ioh 5.19 Rev. 13.3 a few onely excepted that obey the truth whose names therefore are written in the book of life the heretick that hath begun it cannot stop when he will but when once he ceases to receive and retain God in his knowledge and the love of the truth that he may be saved through some base love of the world and the lucre and lust thereof that he may be pleased profited preferred a 100 to one but he is hardned for ever in blindnesse God also giving him over as well as he himself to deeper and deeper delusion and at last to the love of lies more then truth Ieroboams rent turned into idolatry and the rent of such as run from the primitive doctrine of Christ is come to no less the Rantizer and the Ranter also are both sad examples to us how fearâ—ul a thing it is to run away from the plain path of the word of Christ the one whereof when he ran down once but so far as to take upon him to mend Christs ordinances and teach for doctrine his own traditions never left adding more and more of his own odd constitutions till he sunk ore head and ears in a gulf of golden legends and a lake of lies the other when he had once declined the Scripture and denied all ordinances never left advancing himself into the clouds of his own airy conceits till his waxen wings melted with his soring so neer the sun and so he fell headlong into a sink of sordid sensuality The punishment is either temporal the Donatists of old as some say the Anabaptists as they are commonly cal'd of Germany who if ever they ownd the truth abode not very long in it are examples of Gods Iudgements in that kind spiritual blindnesse of understanding hardnesse of heart seeing and not perceiving hearing and not understanding and last of all eternal the worm that never dies Christ shews all mens labour in their religion is lost by reason of it in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrine the traditions of men the Apostle shuts heaven against it 5. Gal. and twice over denounces cursing to any yea angels from heaven that preach any other then what they preached and I am sure they never preached infant sprinkling yea whoever is an heretick vel dandi vel auferendi sacu in either excesse or defect by adding or taking away from the word God will add the plagues upon him that are written in that book and take away his name out of the book of life Saint Austin saith of Arrius how true that saying is I say not but t is an argument Ad hominem a good item however for every one that is any other way Antichristianus that his paines are increased in hell as oft as any one thorough his heresie is seduced from the faith therefore vae vobis Scribae Sacerdotes
I shall be saved No condemnation to them that walk not after the flesh but after the spirit so dying but I walk not after the flesh but after the spirit Ergo so doing so dying there 's no condemnation to me and so consequently still I shall be saved Rom. 8.1 * witnesse a paper newly extant subscribed with 15. hands and sent to my self in particular by one of the subscribers while I am just beginning this very treatise of Anti-ranterism which occasions a more distinct handling of this point of laying on of hands then I otherwise intended stiled Questions about laying on of hands with the grounds why they are demanded lovingly propounded to all those churches of Iesus Christ in London or elsewhere or to any one member of the body of our Lord who pleadeth or preacheth for the necessity or usefulnesse of laying on of hands to be practised by all baptized believers The 2d query of which is on this wise viz. We desire to be directed by them unto some place of Scripture if they know of any where our Lord Iesus Christ or any of his Apostles or disciples preached this doctrine viz. that all baptized believers ought to practise or submit unto laying on of hands * Heb. 5.12.6.1 2. Act. 19 6. Act. 8.12.15.16 17. Act. 2.40 42. * because many blame and reprove baptized believers because they do not practise submit to or come under laying on of hands Therefore we desire to know of them if they can tell of any of the servants of Christ that ever did reprove or blame any sort of people whether baptized or not because laying on of hands was not practised or submitted to by them * As if women were not under the promise of the holy spirit repenting believing and being baptized as well as men when as Peter saies Acts â— 39 to the whole multitude of women as well as men repent and be baptized and ye shall receive the holy spirit for the promise is to you and to your children and them that are a far off even as many as the Lord shall call as if John Baptist also did not speak promiscuously to the multitudes of both men and women and to the women as well as the men whom he baptized when he said I indeed baptize you with water but she shall baptize you with the holy spirit and if baptized believing women be under a promise of being baptizd with the spirit as well as men pro. 1.23 then why they should not have hands laid on them and be prayed for that they may receive it as well as the other according to the promise he is a wiser man then I am that knowes any reason Viz. seeing that many draw inferences and deductions as they call them from Heb 6.2 to maintain one laying on of hands onely and none of them upon the forementioned considerations neither in the end purpose or event Therefore we desire to know whether you judge it a command of our Lord Christ that any mans inference or deduction should be of a binding form in point of faith and obedience and because we have seen some of our dearly beloved brethren in the Lord to the grief of our hearts much offended at us because we believe not the inferences or deductions as they call them Heb. 6.2 Therefore we desire to know of them what they will refer us to as the sure rule to try inferences or deductions by because the best of men are liable to mistakes * witness his reproving and threatning of lost labour to those that so do Mat. 15.9 x John 5 30.8.16.17.12â— 49.50.14.31 * Act. 1.1.2 3.10.33 * Act. 2.42 1 Cor. 14.37 Eph. 2.20 Heb. 6.1 2 Pet. 3.2 Jude 17. * For there was a certain form of Christs doctrine delivered by the Apostles to persons as from him which they were to obey and after obedience unto which and not before they were counted unto Christ as now his servants which till they had obeyed they were counted none of his but unto sin as its servants standing in several particulars whereof its most evident that water baptism was one for obedience in baptism and obedience to that form of doctrine delivered are both urged as arguments and ingagements to the Romans now to reckon on themselves or from thenceforth i. e. their obedience thereunto as in foro dei hominum et ecclesiae Christs servants that had formally owned him and whether the rest viz faith repentance laying on of hands belief of a resurrection and judgement which are Heb. 6. all called the foundation which was at first to be laid altogether with baptism called by the name of the form of doctrine Rom. 6.17 which was at first to be obeyed by every beginner in Christs school is worth our serious considerations * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heb. 6.1 * so the Enquirers seem to me to do while they teach men that as yet have not that they need or ought not to submit to prayer and laying the holy spirit and unteach such again as have been targht it till they disown that first principle of the doctrine of Christ after they had once even practically owned it * who would â—ain be our own carvers and either have such visible gifts as some call them as he was pleased to give them or else we will be blind and not see not believe though we see it that he gives any gifts of his spirit now at all * John 14.17 28. Gal. 5. 17. John 16.13 R m. 8.13 1 Cor. 2.12 1 Cor. 12.7 Eph. 4.11 Eph. 4.30 a Eph. 1.13 b Act. 2.39.40 c Prov. 1.23 Joh. 7.38 39. Luke 11.13 Act 5.35 * Iohn did no miracle but all the the things which Iohn spake of this man are true Joh. 10.41 Iohn 7.48 Except ye see signs and wonders ye will not believe Iohn 20.29 Thomas because thou hast seen thou hast believed but blessed are they that have not seen and yet believed Herod hoped to have seen some miracle done by Christ but he would not so much as answer him Luke 23.8.9 He did not many mighty work there because of their unbelief Mat. 13.5 Lord why could not we cast him out Iesus said because of your unbelief â— Joh. 1.16 â—â—f his fulaes we have â—ll received grace for grace Iohn 16.7.13 2. Cor. 13.14 the communion of the spirit be with you all Gal. 5.22 2 Cor. 5.5 God who hath given us the earnest of his spirit Ephes. 1.33.14 in whom after ye believed ye were sealed with the holy spirit of promise which is the earnest of our inheritance c. whereby you are sealed to the day of redemption Ephes. 4.30 * if any doubt it as some do and say prophesy is a gift of speaking infallibly by revelation from God as t is spoken of 1 Cor. 14.1 the 2.3.4.5 verses of the same chapter confute him where prophecy as it is determined to be a far more eminent and profitable gift and greater and more
cut off from standing as till Chirist they did now any longer upon their own Root Abraham because of unbelief I say then that no infant in infancy of what believing parent soever is either Abrahams spiritual seed or dying in infancy is saved upon any such account as a believers seed or Abrahams seed nor whilst living an infant onely may be signed by baptism as an heir apparent of salvation for if Abraham stand not a spiritual father to his own meer fleshly seed he stands not so sure to the meer fleshly seed of any believing Gentile for that were to priviledge every ordinary believer and his natural seed above either himself or his own Nor doth this hinder or deny the salvation of the dying infants of believers or dispose them ere the sooner muchless necessarily to damnation to say they are not Abrahams spirituall seed quâ believers infants nor heirs to salvation upon any such account as that for though neither upon that nor any other account at all they may warrantably be baptized yet it s more then possible or probable either because infallible that there 's other Scripture account enough upon which when we see them die in infancy we may assert them undoubtedly not to be damned for as it is most sure and true that all that are apparently if really Abrahams spiritual seed by faith must so living so dying be saved in token and farther evidence of which to themselves more then others they are by the good wil of Christ to be baptized yet is it neither true nor necessary that all that are saved must be Abrahams spiritual seed by faith but most certain that some shall be saved that never were Abrahams seed in any sense at all witnesse not onely the faithful fore-fathers of Abraham for he was their seed and not they his but also all dying infants of what parents soever both before Abrahams time and since of whom to salvation notwithstanding those are the onely termes on which it belongs to adult ones to whom it s preacht Mark 16.15 16. these being truly capable of neither 't is not required that they should either repent believe or be baptized I know this Iustification of dying infants without faith is uncouth and little less for all it holds forth so much salvation then damnable doctrine among you Divines that plead the contrary but I shall by the help of God make it good to the faces of you all when I come to consider the baldness of your consequence in this point as you give me good occasion to do in some places where me thinks you meddle with it somewhat clumsily as it were in mittins as if because there 's no other way revealed for the salvation of such by Christ to whom the gospel is preached who are capable to hear and do what 's required for such onely the word universally speaks of when it speaks of salvation in that way but the way of belief and actuall obedience onely therefore there 's no other way for the salvation of dying infants by Christ who can possibly neither believe in him nor obey him which as it is such shameful stuff that I cannot bear it with out inward blushing at your blindness so whether you have not as much cause to be ashamed on 't within your selves is well worth your inmost inquiry I say therefore again so far is this from excluding dying infants of believers from entrance into the kingdome of heaven to say they are neither Abrahams spiritual seed by faith nor heirs thereof upon that ground onely of being so that it rather concludes and supposes there 's some other ground that is common with them to the innocent infants of even infidels and all the world upon which these whom though they are hundreds to one yet your selves in your fierce wrath and merciless cruelty devote universally to damnation may dying in infancy universally be saved also which ground if you will yet know it is the righteousness of Christ the free imputation of which universally from the father saves not onely all that believe from both that and their actuall transgressions too but even the whole world whether they believe it or no from the the imputation of Adams transgression so that none at all ever perish upon that account in which respect he is said to be the Saviour of all men but especially of them that believe much more doth it and that without faith save all dying infants who as they believe not so have not as yet by any actual sin bard themselves or deserved exemption or become liable at all to the second death i. e. the damnation of hell which befalls not any but upon personal neglect of the light and grace of life brought in by the second Adam as the first death onely overtakes mankind for onely that sin of the first Adam Babist If all dying infants are saved then not few but many if not the maior part must be saved contrary to that of Christ Mat. 7.13.14 Luke 13.23.24 where he saith few there are that are saved Baptist. There are indeed but few inter adultos among persons that come to years of whom alone and not of Infants at all Christ there speaks and even every where else where he speaks to us of the way of life and this is plain by the reason he there gives why so few are saved which is the straitness of the gate and narrowness of the way that leads to life viz. of self-denial and suffering for Christ which men mostly being very loath to walk in it comes to pass that few of them come to life by it but infants being altogether uncapable to walk in it are are altogether dis-ingaged from walking in it till they come to capacity so to do and yet are not damn'd for not walking in it when we come to years of understanding and to apprehend the good will of God to us in providing a Saviour for us his good will concerning us in order to salvation by him is that we believe in him and obey him and apply his righteousness unto our selves Gal. 3.27 but whilst we are yet in such minority as neither to know what God hath done for us nor to be capable of putting on the Lord Iesus our selves he himself is pleased to impute his righteousness to salvation to us so dying even as we our selves whilst our infants are new born do not onely provide but also put on what clothes we have provided in our pitty towards them for the covering of their nakedness but when they come to years of such discretion as to discern and be sensible of their own shame and capable to dress themselves with their own hands we expect when in our love we have once provided raiment for them they should put it on themselves or go without it thus candid are we towards the dying infants of all sorts nevertheless though we tell you of our charity towards them and of your own cruelty in sending all
be declined that as he who preaches it though an Angell from heaven is to be hâ—ld accursed so he that doth thereafter shall have no thank for his labor for in vain do they worship him that either teach or take for doctrines the traditions of men Secondly and further to prove it least Mr. Marshal and the Dr. should not grant Vossius that Tertullians denial is of the baptism of all infants even of believers as well as infidels I argue that more plainly First from the universallity of the expression of himself in his disswasion which extends to all manner of persons without exception for it may be thought he was somewhat soiled with that superstition which was rife in after ages viz. that baptism was best dispensed towards the end of a mans life that he might have a sign of the forgivnesse of all his sinnes at once whereupon Tertullian would not have unmarried persons baptized until temptation was over so far was as he from desiring such early dispensation of baptism as that to infants I say his perswasion to delay it extends to all manner of persons and therefore to the infants of believers as well as to other little ones Secondly his indefinit and indifferent expression of these little ones concerning which he speaks for saith he specially about little ones promiscuously including all excepting none as it had bin necessary for him to do if he would be understood to speak but of some and not of others for if Mr. Marshall should preach or write his opinion against the baptism of unbelievers children onely retaining to himself his present earnestnesse for the baptism of other little ones and deliver himself downrightly and indifinitely thus onely in way of dissawsion viz. I would not by any means have little one baptized I find no ground baptizare parvulos to baptize infants c. so running on and never distinguishing so as to say in that sermon or speech I mean onely infants of infidels I should not take him for so judicious a man as I yet hold him to be saving his holding so stiffly still for infant baptism Thirdly by the reason he gives why he would not have little ones baptized viz. least their sureties should be in hazzard of non-performance of their words by reason of their own death or their God childrens untowardnesse which danger may come as well by baptism of believers infants as of others As whose Sponsors whether fathers or mothers or God fathers and God-mothers may die before they grow up or if they live be frustrated of their ends by the wickednesse of these children or god-children also Fourthly in that he speaks of such children of whom the Lord said forbid them not to come unto me which in the Priesthoods own sense at least are believers children yea and them onely by which clause according to you he may seem to speak of them onely rather then of infidels childrens onely whom you your selves forbid to be brought to Christ at all Fiftly in that he saies let them become Christians when they know Christ belike then if your sense be true some Infants may be warrantably enough made Christians before they know Christ but some infants again may not at any hand be made Christians till they know Christ which if it were Tertullians meaning as t is yours he might mean honestly in it as you do but t is too mean an opinion to keep touch with the word which never knew any way but one wherein disciples and Christians were made i. e. of profest faith repentance and baptism after they knew Christ by the preaching of the Gospel Sixtly in that he saies we should be more wary then to commit Divine substance to them to whom earthly substance is not committed now we know that earthly substance can be no more wisely committed to infants of believers in their non age then to infants of infidels Seventhly by one end why he would have them be capable to beg salvation first viz. that God may seem to give it to them that ask it which end is destroyed if baptism be dispensed to believers infants in infancy for they can no more ask it then the infants of uâ—believers Eightly because he saies it behoves them indifinitely meaning all them that enter into baptism to pray and confesse sin c. which conditions are as exclusive of all infants as of some those of believers being no more capable to do that then infants of infidels are Ninethly what ever children he disswaded from the baptizing of here and so saith Mr. Marshall and Mr. Blake its most evident de facto that they were wont to be baptized then or else there had been no object of his diswasion therefore if his advice to delay to them were concerning infants of infidels then its evident that in Tertullians time t was the custome to baptize infidels infants as well as Christians and so if antiquity of infant baptism were an argument of its goodnes it s as good an argument of the goodness of baptizing infidels infants also which with you is well-nigh as bad as the other is good Babist True de facto we have evidence that the baptism of infidels infants then was but that fathers disswading from it is an argument that t was nought and though crept in yet a thing that was not so from the beginning Baptist. Then I hope if ever you come to be perswaded and it is a wonder that none of the reasons above be cogent that t was indeed from baptizing of any children at all that Tertullian diswaded we have an argument of your own for it that the baptism of any mens infants is naught also and a thing that was not so from the beginning and so if Mr. Marshall himself be not by this time sick of Tertullian I assure both him and on all that I am and of all the Fathers also with whom in this controversie I would not have meddled but that your Pamphlet flutters so so with naming the Fathers and takes iâ—â—ll that testimonies from the Fathers were not taken on the day of the Ashford disputation I say again I am sick of them not so much with fear at the sight of any thing in any of them that makes against us for I find nothing that hath the strength of a straw against our way throughout them all even these few Iunior inferior ones themselves that are most against us for the Seniors are more fully on our sides and some of the Iunior ones also as Basil and Chrisostome both in the fourth Century whose words as Mr Blakwood cites them p. 28 29. of his storm are thus viz. First he ought to believe and after to be sealed with baptism and if any one have not corrected the transgression of his manners and hath not made vertue easie to himself let him not be baptized Which words are exclusive of infants t is not therefore any disadvantage that comes by them to our cause which I am sick
ours therefore I shall not trouble my self with it but the first of them which you say is so directly against us t is because you are blind if you do not perceive it to be an express downright declaration of a general justification of all from Adams sin as to life i. e. a resurrection from that bodily death which that sin brought upon all mankind and from which as there is now a universal return of every individual by Christ so there had never bin any returning for any one man in the world but by Christ to all eternity world without end 1 Cor. 15.21.22 Yea as universally as that judgement or condemnation to that first death came by Adam upon all men so that it spreads its black wings upon them all and brings them all down to the dust from whence they came so universally is justification unto life i. e the benefit and resurrection from that death from which else no one man should ever have risen come by Christ upon all men really and truly and not onely so but a capacity also and possibility of eternal happinesse and well being after that resurrection and all this whether persons believe it yea or no yea and a promise and certainty of it in case of belief in this Christ otherwise indeed a losse of the Resurrections becoming a mercy and benefit to them and a lyablenesse even after that escape of the first death that came by the first Adam to a sorer even that second death that lake of fire which by the second Adam by whom comes eternal blessednesse on believers comes upon all unbelievers and that for ever So that if there be no salvation to infants without justification yet ther 's justification of infants without faith or baptism either And whereas you argue from the cart to the horse from the justification and salvation of infants to their faith I argue from their non capacity to believe to their justification and salvation without it no salvation or justification without faith say you but infants are justified and saved therefore they believe if no justification and salvation without faith say I infants who cannot believe can neither be justified nor saved but infants so farre as they need justification for they have no sins of their own are justified and saved also for the kingdome of heaven belongs to them therefore there is justification and salvation for infants without faith To conclude therefore this opinion of you adversaries to the truth which allows no salvation to infants without faith puts you miserably to your shifts viz. either to find out a new way of coming by faith which Paul saies comes onely by hearing or else to damn innumerable dying infants who whilest they lived were uncapable to hear the word preached and so to believe or else as you do p. 18. to dream out a new kind of hearing whereby infants come by their faith viz. an inward wonderful miraculous hearing of some voice of the spirit within such a sigment of your own brains as the Scripture is wholly silent in and no true Church of God nor rational man but your selves who dream dreams and divine â—alse divinations and things of nought deceits of your own heart and tell them to the deceiving of others did ever dream of and whosoever shall consider the impertinencies of your proofs in a cause of so great consequence shall have just cause to suspect all your other doctrines and to take heed how they take any thing any more upon trust as the whole world hath done now of old from these new masters the Clergy who instead of being ministers in truth or servi servorum dei have bin domini dominorum Lords over the heritage and over the faith of all civil powers and people teaching them instead of the true doctrine of the old ministers the traditions and commandements of men And so I have done both with the head of this third argument and with that long tail also that trails after there remains no more of it to be meddled with but a certain slender sting that sticks to this tail put forth against us with more length then strength in prosecution of the argument which I shall cut out into many pieces and after set upon each section severally and then I hope your great hope of help from these three unworthies will prove a forlorn hope indeed Review But to prosecute this Argument for the full satisfaction of the simple but honest Reader since there is no way to come to salvation but by justification and no justificatnon but by faith why should it be doubted by any but little infants which are ordained to salvation are also by faith made subjects of justification those soules which please God so well as they are to see him presently after their separation from the body why should they not be capable of faith without which the Apostle saith it is impossible to please God Heb. 11.6 Re-Review The Reader had need be honest for I dare say he will be simple enough that receives full satisfaction your way by your present prosecutions of it because there 's no way for salvation and justification for men that are actual sinners and capable to believe and to whom justification and remission is preached to the end that they might believe it to their comfort is there therefore no other way wherby God willing and ordaining to save little infants from eternal wrath can possibly or doth certainly save them that can neither sin or be preacht to nor believe but that very self same way of believing is he tied to that means to save infants by as we are tied to it in order to the saving of our selves viz. the way of faith if so why not to repentance and self denial also for both these are the way to us Act. 2.38.40 Mat. 16.24 and would it not shift a man out of his seven sences to hear such doctrine that infants as ever they will be saved dying infants must even in their infancy repent is it not manifold more suitable to reason and sense of Scripture that as infants so far as they are guilty become guilty unwittingly to themselves by the presentment and imputation of the first Adams sin without personal disobedience in themselves so also should be justified from that imputed sin by the presentment of the satisfaction and imputation of the righteousness of the second Adam as unwittingly to and without personal obedience in themselves and because without faith t is impossible to please God for such as have actually incurred his wrath such as come to him by prayer for these indeed must believe that is God and is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him ther fore is it impossible for infants also who yet actually disspensed him nor yet are capable to come to him by belief or prayer Is that Scripture think you intended to infants for shame scope the Scripture a little better Review Is it not the
faith themselves which are never seen in infants are seen and examined which is as much as to say that when the acts are seen and examined as they may be in men then a judgement of science may be past on them do you not say that the discovery of the habit of faith to be in infants is made onely a posteriore i. e. onely by their future professings and personal actings of it which is as much as to say when children come once to act faith then it may appear and be known that faith is in them but tell then or in their infancy it cannot appear to be in them do you not say it cannot be certainly presumed what children have faith what have not the working of the spirit being not known to us and the spirit himself not bound to work faith in all the children of Christian parents nor barrd from working it in any children of infidels and that there can be no conclusion made of this thing which infants have faith which have not which is as much as to say that though it may be more certainly concluded presumed and judged concerning men at years who have and who have not faith yet the same doth not appear concerning infants in infancy are not these your own sayings but a few lines above and yet for all that have you so soon forgot your selves as to unsay it all again in this page where you ingage to make it appear concerning the particular children which are brought to be baptized that they have faith and to determine that in charity we are bound to judge faith to be in believers infants as much as we are bound in charity to judge it to be in the believing parents themselves that make profession and such judgement is as due to one of these as to the other were there ever such contradictions as these committed to paper before But le ts us examine your reason why we are to judge faith to be in these infants as we are to judge it to be in any that make profession you say because the Scripture hath so amply declared the good will of Christ to them which is Tanta mount to any ones single profession of himself I answer that the Scripture declares the good will of Christ to little children in general without exception and not to one more then another but what 's this to prove any of them to have faith much more what is it to the proving and making it appear that this and that particular infant hath faith which is the matter now in hand when other infants have it not or to prove believers infants to have it exclusively of the infants of unbelievers yet you say this declaration of Scripture which your selves confesse p. 5. declares concerning infants in general proves this or that single infant in contradistinction to others to have faith as sufficiently as any ones single profession proves it concerning his single self Nay this report of Scripture makes it appear say you most sottishly p. 5. that infants have faith more then the particular profession of any whom we admit to baptism can make it appear of himself and yet to go round again a posteriore onely i. e. by profession of it onely the discovery of the habit of faith is made O curious criss-crosse The second reason you here give why a charitable judgement concerning their faith is due to these particular infants and not others i. e. infants of believers and not unbelievers is this viz. Because you say we know nothing against any particular infants why they should be accepted from such a judgement To which I answer Do you know any thing against the particular infant of an heathen if this be a reason upon which we are to judge any infants in particular to have faith because we know nothing against any particular t is a reason upon which we are in charity to judge all particular infants in the world to have faith as well as any yea the infants of infidels as well as Christians for who knoweth any thing more against the infant of an infidell in his infanny whereby he should be excepted from our charitable opinion of him then he knows against the infant of a Christian especially that I may to your confutation conclude against you in your own words p. 5.6 since it cannot appear that one of these more then the other hath by any actual sin barred himself and deserved to be exempted from the general state of little infants declared in the Scripture viz. that the kingdom of heaven belongs to them So having run through and repelled that rout of responsives that would not be ruled by reason I come now to enter skirmish with your Scare-crow for verily what follows is no other then a false Alarum a sound of words a number of Iackets and Breeches stuft with stubble and bombasted into the shape of men in arms to fright fools at a distance Review We shall only present to the Christian Reader those horrid sins this wretched error of the Anabaptists involves men in and so forbear to be further troublesome it may be the sight will make many tremble and forsake their tents and not suffer them to be so frolick about the hole of the Asp or play with the Leviathan and walk upon the ridge of those Alps whose Praecipice is so fearfull Re-Review Bona verba quaeso and not thunder without lightning Review 1. It makes them deny their first faith with their baptism for there is but one faith saith the Apostle and one baptism Eph. 4.5 Re-review Aliâs it makes them first confesse and visibly professe that one faith and own that one baptism which what ever they did in words in works they denyed till now and makes them renounce that none faith and none baptism which they had in infancy for if they had faith while they were infants how can they deny it in your opinion who deny any falling from faith but if they had none in infancy then how can you deny but that they had none and so they deny none at all Review 2. It makes them crucify Christ again for we are baptized inâ—o Christs death and therefore but once because Christ dâ—ed but once Re-review It makes them crucify Christ often ore and ore again indeed i. e. in the Supper where in a figure they break his body and shed his blood an orderly fellowship and communion in which service they are ingaged to and enter upon after the example of those Acts 2.42 immediately after baptism Other crucifying Christ I know none among them that is caused by their doctrine but that of those who after they are inlightned in it and have tasted the good word of God c. do after that fall away again and such indeed crucify to themselves the sonne of God afresh and put him to open shame Heb. 6.4 but I hope the truth among none but Reasonlesse persons shall bear the blame and be made
title thereby to the Covenant which though false simple and rotten yet are the grounds on which you hope some dying infants may be sav'd though you fear the most are damn'd for indeed the true grounds on which to hope the salvation of all dying infants is there non-deserving exemption by actual sin and personal rebellion against the Gospel why I say though there be never so much ground of hope of their salvation do you say the grounds whereupon they elsewise may be hoped to be saved are all destroyed if they be denyed to be baptized Moreover I tell you that you run round like a blind horse in a mill and contradict your selves egregiously by holding such a high necessity of infants baptism that there 's no hope of their salvation if it be denyed them so that unlesse you recant it you l in the end repent it that ere you lived your selves and led others so long in such delusion for mark how you mope too and fro in a mist sometimes you say that birth of Christian parents and faith in the children so born these give right to the Covenant and the promises of Christ and so to salvation and the kingdome of heaven and their right to the promises and the kingdome that gives them right to baptism and to entrance into the visible Church supposing their right to salvation to be without baptism and before it as that which intitles them thereto making their visible right to baptism and the visible Church to depend upon their visible right to salvation saying they must be seen by some thing or other distinguishing them from others who are not heirs to be heirs belonging to the kingdome before they be signed as such and so you argue making an apparent right to baptism posteriour to their right to salvation viz. to whom the thing signified i. e. heaven appears to belong to them consequently the sign i. e. baptism else not but that appears to belong to infants therefore this which is as much as to say we must first look upon them and believe them to be heirs of salvation and upon that ground afterward baptize them so making the right to the sign depend upon the being of the thing signified Other while again as here you turn the cat i th pan and tell us a tale that turns all this up side down again and makes all their right to the Covenant promises of Christ to salvation by him to the kingdome which all are according to your other opinion to be Antecedent to baptism and entitling to it so that no apparent right to the Covenant and promise and kingdome and salvation no baptism you make I say all these on which you made baptism depend before so necessarily dependant on baptism so subsequent to it so no way appearing to belong to infants without it that no baptism no title to life deny them baptism and entrance into the visible Church and they are visibly in the kingdome of the divel there 's no hopes they can be saved if their parents let them die without it no grounds on which to hope it but though believers children and apparently enough believing themselves and so thereby in apparent right to the Covenant and promise of Christ and consequently of salvation and all this before they may be baptized yet they are in the visible kingdome of the divel and do but deny baptism to them and all those old evidences are worn out their names blotted out of the book of life their parents can have no hope of other then their damnation nay all the grounds on which to hope that any good comes of them are utterly destroyed So then of the doctrine that you deliver this is the summe in two round heads viz. That infants right to salvation must needs be apparent or else they may not be baptized Secondly to go round again baptism of infants must needs be or else there 's no apparent ground on which to hope they can be saved Finally I tell you I marvel in my heart it being so that such danger comes by denying infant baptism that parents cannot hope they can be saved how you dare for your ears delay so long as you do sometimes a week sometimes a fortnight sometimes almost a year as the custom of England was of old to baptize but twice in the year viz. at Easter and Whitsontide and do not rather baptize your infants so soon as they are born least happily their lying in the visible kingdome of the divel longer then you need to let them they happen to die before your good chear can be made and all your kinsfolks come together and then the parents be left without hope of any other but that their children remain in the kingdom of the divel for ever for persons live or dye visibly say you either in the visible Church of Christ out of which you say also there 's no salvation the visible entrance into which is by baptism by which therefore unbaptized infants never entred or else in the visible kingdome of the divel this is one of Mr. Baxters diseased disjunctions p. 71. for there is no more necessity then there is of sprinkling infants and that 's as little as little can be of their being visibly in either neither are they visibly in either the visible Church of Christ or visible kingdome of the devill till they are at years but in medio abnegationis you salve all that danger which I confesse is none at all in infants dying unbaptized but onely that I speak according to your own principles by telling us that t is not the bare omission or neglect but the contempt of the ordinance that damnes the persons that dye without it I tell you again that if this may passe for true and currant doctrine among those that hold baptism due to men and women onely and not infants as I scarce know how it should sith neglect of known duty is damnable in a lower degree as well as contempt of it is in a higher yet however its false silly and nonsensical doctrine among you that baptize none but infants apply it how you will for the parents neglect and the parents contempt of the ordinance as to his infant is much at one i. e. neither of them damnable to the infant unlesse you will hold up that saying again in the world which God protested long since men should never have occasion to use any more viz. that the child shall die eternally for the fathers sin surely the fathers contempt doth not redound any more then his bare neglect with any danger or disadvantage to the infant and as for the infant he cannot be damned for not being baptized in infancy through his own neglect or contempt of iâ— for he neither contemnes nor neglects it To the third of these three things that you and I both have thrust here into one place you in the Review and I in the Re-Review in order to the dispatching of
the forenamed books that are extant specially that of Mr. Baxter whom I know to be a very able and godly man who hath in mine and I think in all discerning mens Apprehensions so sollidly disproved and clearly confuted your way of dipping that few or none of those that see what he saies in that point will be of your mind and follow your fashion therein for whereas you say that dipping was the custome in the first times and therefore go about to seduce men into the belief of it because it s said that the Eunuch went down into the water and that John baptized in Aenon because there was much water there he replies that is a thing never proved by any and that the Jaylor was baptized in the night in his own house and therefore not likely over head in that Countrey where water was so scarce and that the Eunuch might well be said to go down into the water for the Country was mountanous and the brooks in the bottoms and that even the River Aenon it self where Iohn baptized because there was much water is found by Travellers to be a small brook which a man might almost step over and much more that gainsaies much of what you have said is in the 135. page of his book which I shall expect your answer to but if you please le ts see what you can say to this first Baptist. I shall very freely speak to any thing which hath not yet been spoken to in particular and to Mr. Baxters exceptions in that particular rather then any other because he is most noted in those parts were he lives and also in the examination of his Exceptions I shall have the more hint to take notice of such reliques and broken pieces as remain yet unspoken to as the gainsayings of the rest in this point for he seems to me to have gathered them up there and to have epitomized those mens matter as iâ— were into a fardel of fewer words excepting the two last grand Arguments of Mr. Cook against dipping one of which Doctor Featley affronts us with in the title page and both of which are more sparingly spoke to yet covertly touched and tacitly touched upon by Mr. Cook and those Mr. Baxter rather comments on at large and makes I cannot say a fairer but a fouler a falser and far more miserable improvement of then any of the rest do This he professes to be the businesse of his book p. 13. viz. To use the proofs that others make use of in some newer kind of way confessing that few have improved their Arguments as they might have done nor mannaged them in the most forcible way and not to medle much with those arguments that others have fully mannaged Yet by his leave he meddles so much with the Arguments that others almost every one makes use of that he makes some of them the worse again he mars many a one with his mendall Mannagement It is not to use many Arguments saith he but to drive home a few Yet he uses many more then any one else viz. three capital ones to prove infants to be disciples twenty cardinal ones to prove them members to which Nos numeri sumus a number of others are subservient and subordinate two more in proof of babisme besides eight in proof of no body knows what all these in his Disputative piece of book so that for ought I find Et sinon prosint singula multa juvant his genius stood more to numerositie than dextery in handling a few unlesse by few he mean only the three main Mediums as Capital and Cardinal to the rest the first of which but especially the second in tot ramos ramulos ramusculos se ipsum Rantizavit hath stragled it self into so many small branches that indeed it hangs not handsomly together within it self and indeed the whole is but a certain three legged stool which he hath made for people to sit at rest upon in their vain Worships and seâ—vings of God after the Precepts of men which if they never be broken by any hand writing responsibly to them yet are so rotten that they will wear out within a while of themselves but be they few or many he might well say he would drive home a few for verily above all the rest those two I speak of viz. wherein dipping is called Murther and adultery he drives on beyond the bounds of modesty truth sense and reason as far I dare say to the full as God would suffer the Devill to direct and drive him For my part I never saw Mr. Baxters face that I know of but I see too much of his spirit in his latest labor in which if the spirit of God had been his leader he would not have led him into that confident utterance of such utter untruths not onely in point of doctrine but matter of fact too now and then let his parts let his piety you talk on be more then his parts if it will God once left as honest as holy as worthy a one as he can be in punishment of a people whom he had a mind to plague for their dotage on him to be stirred up by Satan to do things inconvenient and unseemly 1 Chron. 21.1 and so it seemes to me he hath left Mr. Baxter as Godly as he is or else there could never have issued from him such inconsiderate crudities such rank venomous viperous ulcerous fluxes of folly flesh fierceness fiction falseness firery invectives to the madding of the very magistracy if it would be any longer blinded by the bawlings of a mistaken ministry against many a dear Saint of God against a people precious to God though base in his eyes against thousands that are as intimate with God and more privy to his will in point of baptism then himself that thus he does shall appear by and by at present see what little verity and less validity is in that first viz. that it is not yet proved by any that dipping was the primitive custome when yet it s proved if not by many yet at least by two of our way viz. A. R. and Mr. Blackwood and that so sufficiently that if Dr. Featley and Mr. Baxter Mr. Cook and Mr. Blake did not decline them and if they had been minded to mark and seriously to search the Scriptures and not to dazle mens eyes with all the fiddle-faddles they could find to fling before them and to satisfie themselves at slender rates in the present custome rather then cry out for a change sith it is the present custome the Scriptures they hint on are so plain taking the words thereof not in feigned forced figurative and forreign but in their own prime direct native ordinary proper and rational sense and signification that he who runs may read no lesse then this that dipping yea total was the way wherein baptism was then dispensed but if we had not such proof of it extant from our own party yet t is so
be out of the Nation too for ought I know and cannot well see what is done by you in it but to let that passe Here is thunder enough but no lightning a shrill sound but an empty barrel such is Mr. Baxters book indeed specially this twofold fardle about murder and adultery in which whether there be more noise or non-sense I know not but sure I am there is ten times more twittle-com-twattle then truth this doctrine would make a terrible rumbling in a Country Church as they say and make all the people amazed to hear what manner of men these Anabaptists be but he that sleeps there with his eyes open will be sâ—und no more at the hearing of this clamor then by the barking of the bells in the steeple I must needs confesse that this is matter of weight indeed and a stone is heavy and the sand weighty but a fooles wrath is heavier then them both this soon shot bolt is big enough to hurt where it hits but as it happens it hits not us and so happens to hurt them most that mannage it as for us against whom it is managed it rejoices us rather then otherwise sith it reproaches and reviles and saies all manner of evil against us falsely for Christs sake Mat. 5.11.12 1 Pet. 4.13.14.15 if our dipping were such evil doing i. e. murder and adultery as these men say it is we had reason to hang down our heads indeed and might well be ashamed in suffering from them in this particular but sith as Paul said Act. 24.13 they cannot prove the things whereof they accuse us we are not ashamed but glorifie God on this behalf Of these two accusers of the brethren Mr. Cook is more candid and a little more modest then the other and yet he utters so much that he hath much reason to be ashamed of it for howbeit he does not so audaciously charge us with that foul fact of naked dipping as the other doth yet by some simple supposals First that persons cannot be rightly baptized by dipping with a garment on as if they may not be put under and covered and buried therein cloathed aswell as naked and as if a soaking or steeping in water Mr. Baxters bald conceit of our dipping were not a washing or burying Secondly that it is as unwarrantable to baptize garments as t is for the Papists to baptize bells as if those that baptize persons in garments did as directly and intentionally baptize garments as the papists do baptize bells or as if it were more unwarrantable for us to wet the cloathes that persons are baptized in when we baptize their bodies then t is for the priests to wet the head cloaths of infants when they rantize their faces By such silly supposals I say as these that there can be no true totall dipping unless the persons be uncloathed he subtly insinuates the world into a certain supposition at least a shrewed suspition that dipping naked is the onely baptism dispensed among us for which hee 'l once be ashamed but as for Mr. Baxter he is so uningenuous impudent and uncivilly foolish in this present parcel of his you have here spread before us that I professe against it as having in it much falsenesse and more immodesty then I ever saw expressed at the totall dipping of any person that ever I saw dipped in my life for he not only makes a long supervacaneous discourse of his dislike of dipping women and maids naked in which is such a needlesse and over often nomination of those termes too as tends more to the offending of chast and corrupting of unchast consciences then to any use of edifying at all but also most rashly relates it to the whole world to be the usuall ordinary known practise of a people that are as abhorrent of such abominations as himself As for his Argument it is a fallacy called Ignoratio Elenchi for he concludes not the point in question for they who stand most for baptizing by totall dipping are all for ought that ever I heard of as much against naked dipping as himself yea so far are we all if any had been otherwise minded Mr. Baxter would surely have assigned them whose design was to vilifie us what he could so far are we all from countenancing such a practise that I dare in the name of all the Churches of the Baptists through England declare their unanimous utter detestation of it in Mr. Baxters own words viz. that it is a breach of the seventh Commandment an intollerable wickednesse an immodest action an incitement to uncleannesse likely enough to raise jealousies in Ministers wives yea and other womens husbands too and so to foment continuall dissention a means to debauch people and bereave them of all common civility modesty ingenuity and humanity to turn Gods worship into contempt and make it meerly ridiculous to bring a general reproach upon the Christian profession among all the enemies thereof yea amongst the most sober and discreet to discredit the truth and prejudice men against it yea verily t is scandal reproach and discredit enough in that it is but belied by Mr. Baxter to be so base how much more and more justly would it be reproached if his reports were as true as they are full of falsehood we I say acknowledg the practise of naked dipping to be as bad as Mr. Baxter proves it to be therefore quorsum haec to what purpose doth he with such prolixity proceed to prove what no sober minded man of either party doth deny This is aliud a negato a plain absurd a berration from the question which is not whether it be a sin ordinarily to dip naked or no but whether we ordinarily use that kind of dipping The first which none doubts of he indeavours to make evident as one that light a candle whereby to shew men that the sun shines The second which is unknown utterly among us he proclaims to be our usual notorious known practise but he offers no proof of this at all Such silly Sophistry as this Mr. Baxter uses also in almost every of these Arguments whereby he professes to disprove our practise as unwarrantable concluding all along another point than that in question for whereas our tenet is that persons at years professing to believe of what parents so ever born are to be baptized he most simply and sinisterly concludes against us as he supposes in a matter of four or five Arguments that the children of Christians may not be baptized when they come to years and that this practise of baptizing of Christians children is utterly unconsistent with the Rule of Christ as for us we say as much neither is it our practise or opinion to baptize Christians children at age upon that account meerly as they are Christians children any more then the children of them that are no Christians unlesse they professe to be believers and Christians themselves as their parents do and upon that account viz. as they professe
viz. They that are not so much as seemingly or visibly in a state of salvation of them so dying we can have no ground of Christian hope that they shall be saved But they that are not so much as seemingly or visibly of the Church are not so much as seemingly or visibly in a state of salvation therefore of them so dying we can have no true ground of hope that they shall be saved The Major of this second syllogism which he sets himself to prove I freely grant to be true The Minor I have many things to say to First I take notice how he changes the termes from what they were in this pro-syllogism which had he been minded to deal fairly and not to sophisticate and shuffle I know not why he should do and a sincere disputant whould not have done it In the Minor of the former syllogism the terms were thus viz. that doctrine that denieth infants to be members of the visible church but here he writes leaving out the word visible foisting in the word seemingly and visibly to fill up the room of it that it might not be mist they that are not seemingly or visibly of the Church whereas he ought of right to have brought in the Minor and conclusion thus viz. but they that are not members of the visible Church are not so much as seemingly or visibly in a state of salvation therefore of them viz. them that are not members of the visible Church we can have no true ground of Christian hope that they can be saved I say he should have exprest it visible Church in both places else the word Church being understood by Mr. Ba for the invisible Church sometimes i e. them that are not onely seemingly sincere and in state of salvation but as really and truly in state of salvation as they seem by this variation of his from visible Church to Church without the term visible the state of the question may be changed and howbeit he premises this and takes it for granted that to be a visible member of the church and to be a member of the visible Church is all one saying he that denies that will shew but his vanity yet he takes it before it is granted him from me who am one of those vain ones that by his favour deny these to be all one unlesse by the word Church in both places he means the visible Church which though I do not say he doth not yet I say if he do he should by right have exprest it or else there may be fallacy in it for I aver to Mr. Ba. and albeit I seem to him to speak paradoxes and parables thorow the distance of our principles yet I hope to make it clear to his conscience that the visible Church doth not so contain the invisible in it as he saies it doth p. 75. but that there are cases wherein persons may be both real and visible i. e. to us seeming members of the invisible Church or mistical body of sincere ones and in state of salvation and yet not be real members of the visible Church or else not to speak now of the state of believers infants whom you rantize before you rantize them let him tell me what visible state believers themselves whom onely and not their infants Acts 2.41.42 the first Gospel ministry bapâ—ized were in immediately before they baptized them they were not visibly members after profession of their faith of the visible Kingdom of the devil and therefore at least visible and seeming members of Christs mistical body and of the invisible Church and in state of salvation and yet were they not members visibly of the visible Church of Christ till though I hold not baptism it self neither to be the immediate formal entrance into the visible Church yet necessarily previous to it till I say they were to use Mr. Bas. own phrase by baptism admitted and stated in it for to be admitted to be a member of the visible Church and yet to be a member of that visible Church before that admittance are utterly inconsistent each with other yea to enter in by baptism and yet to be in before baptism beside the contradiction that is in one of these to the other it makes your baptism which you call the sacrament of visible entrance to be what you say the supper is i. e. a sacrament rather of continuance to be seemingly therefore and visibly a member or to be a visible member of the church unlesse we mean the visible Church and then it ought to be so exprest by them that hold there is an invisible and to be a member of the visible Church are not all one thus having first justly faulted the Minor for its fallacious faultring in the terms and form of it and varying from those of the first syllogisme and setting down the syllogisme in the plain termes in which Mr. Baxter should have done it viz. They that are not so much as seemingly or visibly in the state of salvation of them so dying we can have no true ground of Christian hope that they shall be saved But they that are not members of the visible Church are not so much as seemingly or visibly in a state of salvation therefore of them that are not members of the visible Church so dying we can have no true ground of Christian hope that they shall be saved In the second place I fault the Minor of this argument as most false and unsound in the matter of it and therefore I lay down this for truth which is directly opposite to it viz. that they that are not members of the visible Church may be seemingly and visibly in a state of salvation and so consequently that of them that are not members of the visible Church so dying we may have true ground of Christian hope that they shall be saved These two positions with the consequence thereof are so contradictory each to other that if this latter be truth then the former universally understood i. e. of all that are not of the visible Church as it must be or else it serves not Mr. Ba s purpose must needs be false whereupon I need do no more toward the disproof of his then to prove my own in order to which I shall premise what the visible Church is and then examine whether it be not possible for some persons as Mr. Ba. it seems thinks it is not to be seemingly and visibly in a state of salvation and yet not be members of the visible Church The true visible Church now in the times of the Gospel and so onely it concerns our purpose to consider of it is all those severall particular visible assemblies and societies of persons in the world or visible disciples collectively taken which in all places and ages since Christ past present and to come being first separated or called out of the world to personall prosession of repentance from dead works and faith towards God of remission of sins
I freely do and every one must grant and therefore what is spoken by you in proof of that might well have been spared also that the bare submission to that outward dispensation of water is not that which simply of it self and abstract from the inward i. e. the answer of a good conscience doth save us must needs be granted also but what of this will it therefore follow that it is to be omitted and not made use of at all in reason surely it cannot be so assertter for as the bare outward hearing of the word without doing it will do us no good but rather hurt yet that outward hearing is an ordinance at no hand to be neglected but necessarily to be used in order to the doing of the word without which we had better never hear for we shall not save but deceive our own souls Iam. 1.22 and shall perish in the end Mat. 7.26 and as bare outward fellowship in breaking of bread is so far from saving that we eat and drink judgement to our selves unlesse withall we discern the Lords body and be pattakers of the thing signified and yet that outward service is needful to be performed so though water baptism doth not save us ex opero operato and unlesse it be answered within by the answer of a good conscience yet what consequence is there from hence that it need not be done at all neither doth Peter altogether exclude the putting away the filth of the flesh as not to be practised and place the business of baptism wholly in the answer of a good conscience as you here say he doth but rather places the baptism that saves in both these not in either without the other yea in that he saies thus baptism doth also now save us not the putting away the filth of the flesh but the answer of a good conscience he includes the baptism with water as that which is to be done but not to be rested in as available to salvation without the other Ranterist There is no man sent by Christ to baptize so that were I never so willing to be baptized yet there is none to baptize me for though it should be granted which neverthelesse is false and cannot be evinced out of the Scripture that the Apostles were sent to baptize with water yet this doth not warrant others to do so likewise unlesse they can prove that whatsoever was spoken to the Apostles was spoken to them and by this account they must go into all Nations and make them disciples having first stayed at Ierusalem till they have been indued with power from on high for both things are injoined to the Apostles by Christ. Baptist. That the Apostles were not sent to baptize in water in such a sense as Paul saies 1 Cor. 1. Christ sent not him to baptize in i. e. to dispense that ordinance necessarily with their own hands so but that when they had preacht and converted persons to the faith others might help â—o administer it I granted above but that they were not sent to preach the Gospel i. e. the baptism of faith and repentance for remission of sins among all Nations as far as they were capable and that baptism in water was not a part of that Gospel ministration which was committed to them to command all Nations to observe and to see dispensed on all that should be discipled therein this I utterly deny and the contrary to it is so clearly evinced in the word that he that runs may read it for either Christ commanded them Mat. 28. to teach baptizing not with the spirit but in water or else Peter miserably mistook his commission that in obedience thereto presses 1000â— of people at once enquiring what they should do to be baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus promising onely that so doing they should not from him surely but from Christ receive the holy spirit Act. 2.39 and also concerning a people that were already baptized with the spirit asks who can forbid water why these may not be baptized commanding them who were ready to hear no more then what was commanded him of God to deliver to them Act. 10.23 to be baptized in the name of the Lord and if by the Apostles you mean the eleven onely that were within hearing when Christ spake as t is to him that is not afraid of cold water undoubtedly true that these were so as undeniable it is that others were sent to baptize in water as well as they viz. Philip that baptized the Samaritans and Eunuch Paul that baptized so many of the Corinthians as he did and Ananias that baptized him or else they made and preacht a Gospel of their own heads another Gospel and not Christs which if they did they made more hast then good speed to themselves for such as teach for doctrines of Christ their own traditions and run before they are sent do both worship God in vain and shall neither of them have any thank from him for their labour and that what was spoken to those 11 Apostles themselves as to the point of baptism was spoken also to us even to such in all Nations as being once discipled are after that enabled from God to preach the Gospel is no lâ—sse evident then all the rest Matth. 28.19 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you among which water baptism was one v. 18. and whereas you say upon this account we must go into all nations and make them disciples who doubts but that t is our duty so to do to the utmost of our power and they could do no more for that 's commanded and baptism too to be observed to the end but for their staying at Ierusalem till they were indued with power from on high and beginning first to preach there that did concern them only as a special circumstance for that time not pertaining to the substance of the service nor required of all the Apostles themselves and administrators of baptism then for if it had Ananias Philip Paul began at the wrong end of their businesse when one of them began to preach the Gospel at Samaria the other at Damascus not going up to Ierusalem first Gal. 1.17 and if not of them why it should be of us I know not Neverthelesse as to the substance of that command I grant that every one is to tarry till he be indued more or lesse with power i. e. boldnesse wisdome knowledge utterance resolution self denyall c. before he goes out as Christs Messenger to preach to the nations but being so indued and furnished must out for ought I know among all people as he hath ability and occasion beginning at the place where he is and proceeding to spread the Gospel afar off if he find not work enough neerer home Ranterist Could it be proved as it cannot that there are some sent to baptize yet even then will it not follow that I and such as I am ought to be
baptized by them for we do not read that any of the Apostles or Apostolike men did ever baptize any but such as are newly converted to the Christian Religion but I and such as I am have from our infancy imbraced the Christian Religion and no other now if our Adversaries did rightly infer that because there is neither precept nor example in Scripture for baptizing of infants therefore it is a needlesse thing in like manner I may as truâ—y conclude for asmuch as their is neither precept nor example in Scripture for baptizing such as have been bred up in the Christian Religion and never professed any other I and suâ—h as I am have no need at all to be baptized Baptist. That some are sent to baptize is proved above and sure enough if it be as we see t is Act. 2 39-10.47 48. mens duty to be baptizd or else Christ hath required a service of every man and that sub poenâ too and yet though never so willing to be baptized left them in no possible capacity to perform it for want of provision of administrators but that you and such as you are yea and that though some are sent to baptize have such a Supersedeas from being baptized as you pretend to be vouchsafed you by Christ Jesus because you have been long of it and been bred up in the Christian Religion is such a strange piece of businesse as I know not in any wise what to make of who in foro hominum ecclesiae at least take baptism to be the visible badge that so distinguishes between those that are of the Christian Religion and other people that who so shall say he is of the Christian religion and yet never was nor will be baptized must excuse me if according to the tenor of Christs Testament I own him not as yet to be a Christian. What you call the Christian Religion in which you say you were bred up I know not if you mean the doctrines of faith repentance and good manners alone as yet and abstract from baptism this whether it be a great while or but a little while since you began to put it in practise the matter is much at one for degrees as to the length or shortnesse of the time since we were converted do not vary the nature of the case this I say is so far from exempting that t is the onely thing ingaging you to baptism and howbeit you say there is neither as I am sure there is not for baptizing infants yet you cannot possibly but see that there is both president and precept for the baptizing of all believers and of all in any Nations that are discipled so that if you have been converted not lately but long ago and remained till now unbaptized you have so much the more need to hasten to it and instead of being held excused from now doing it at all because you did it not when first you should to be exâ—uscitated in the words of Ananias to Paul saying and now why tarriest thou arise and be baptized and wash away thy sins calling on the name of the Lord. But if by the Christian Religion which you say you were bred up in you mean either that Christian Religion of the Rantizer that teaches men to change the ordinances of Christ that of baptism specially as to its form and subject and to make void his command through his tradition of a new baptism to all or that Christian Religion of the Ranter that so rebells against that law of Christ that he will give way to have now no water baptism at all these two Religions as Christian as you count and call them are both but Anti-christian with me Ranterist You make such a deal of do about water baptism as so needful that there may be no Church-fellowship held without it but for ought I see yet t is a matter of no such weight but that we may serve God as acceptably to the full without it for in Christ Iesus neither circumcision availeth any thing nor uncircumcision but faith which worketh by love Gal. 5.9 circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing but the keeping the commandaments of God 1 Cor. 7.19 Baptist. T is true that when Paul spake this which was when there was an abolition of circumcision so far as was consistent with the Jewes ability to bear it and when it was now de jure to grow out of date then circumcision was nothing and uncircumcision nothing so that t was altogether needlesse to be circumcised but as nothing as it is now yet so something was it once when that testament it was the sign of stood that every soul of whom it was then required that was not circumcised was to be cut off from having fellowship with that Church and people and as nothing as this baptism or no baptism is with you now yet no lesse then this at least must we say of the unbaptized that every soul that shall refuse to be baptized is to have no fellowship with Christs Church and people Acts 2.41.42 Secondly as nothing as circumcision and uncircumcision baptism or no baptism are with you yet faith which worketh by love is something as Paul himself also doth seem to hint and the keeping of the commandements of God which love to the Lord Jesus he that saies he can expresse without keeping his commandements among which baptism in water is not the least and without counting those commands of his not too grievous to submit to makes either Christ a lyar or elle himself Ioh. 14.23 1 Iohn 2.4.5 1 Iohn 5.2.3 Thus farre concerning water baptism to which in the primitive times there were and in all times also wherein it is or shall be truly dispenst and sincerely submitted to there assuredly are or will be two other baptisms concomitant viz. First a baptism with sufferings Secondly a baptism with the holy spirit to support under those sufferings in order to the being baptized with the last of which baptisms there was then an ordinance or administration of Christ viz. prayer and laying on of hands which was practised toward all believers after baptism in water which as it was kept on foot from the Apostles daies and downward among the Churches of Christ in after ages and is as to the substance of the service kept on with far lesse corruption and alteration then that which yet cleaves to their baptism among all but the Presbyterian part of the national priesthood and people so that it is of right to be used in order to the self same end and in the self same manner now as then it was because the present use and practise thereof is so openly not to say obstinately denied not onely by the Ranter who rases the whole foundation and the Presbyâ—erian and Independent Rantizer who rase down that or at least do not raise it but also by several societies of persons baptized who to the great grief of such congregations as own the
been said all them but an indefinit expression signifying some onely not all whereby he bewrayed his too little acquaintance with one received rule among the Rationallists viz. that an indefinite proposition or expression in a necessary matter is equivalent ever to an universal howbeit my reply to him then was not so but on this wise viz. that if we must take them but indefinitely only for some and not all the persons or things before spoken of unlesse that particle all be added to it then we had consequently no clear command from Matth. 28.19 20. to baptize all that are discipled and converted to the faith for by the pronoun them that is there used also we must not mean all them but some of them onely in the nations that are discipled because it s not said all them but meerly them but I intreated him from his conscience to tell me whether he did think that when Christ saies Go teach all nations baptizing them teaching them he meant that they should baptize all them or but some of them only in the nations that were discipled his return was that if there were not other places that did more clearly prove it that Christ commanded that all should be baptized then Matth 28. he could not see it fully commanded there and being desired to assign any place wherein Christ did more universally command baptism then there he directs us to Luke 7.30 where it s said the Pharisees rejected the Counsel of God against themselves in not being baptized whence he gathered that baptism was the Councel and consequently the commandement of God to all men because they are here reproved for rejecting it which if it be a sound Argument to prove baptism to be the command of God to all men because the pharisees in particular for the Pharisees is but a particular expression indigitating one single sort of men among all the rest and not so much as an indefinit much lesse an universal because I say the Pharisees in particular are reproved for refusing to obey it how much better may we collect that both baptism and laying on of hands with prayer for the spirit are commanded by God to all men because we find all those save Simon witnesse his giving them his holy spirit recorded as most highly approved of God that at any time did reject neither but silently submit themselves both Those passages between that my beloved friend and my self I could not conscientiously neglect to set down least I should seem to love any man more then the truth for the sake of which principally and partly for his also and theirs he walks with whom I love in truth as far as they love the truth I write this that he reviewing here his own empty evasions may more evidently discern himself to be mistaken in many things then he may be capable to do in a discourse by word of mouth and that they remembring how they in proof of baptism it self to be Christs command to all believers are necessitated to use such cloudy inferences and deductions as those above may excuse us more then many if not most of that party do if in proof of laying on of hands to be the duty of all baptized believers we take the like liberty to our selves in order to their satisfaction to use more clear inferences and deductions then those out of Scripture and out of Heb. 6.2 it self as t will appear that we do to reason it self rightly acted in comparing of Scripture with Scripture which I for my part refer the enquirers unto as the surest rule to try the spirits by and to try all inferences or deductions by because the best of men are liable to mistakes and sure enough to fall into them if ceasing to exercise their reason in deducing inferring and gathering one thing out of another they will receive nothing for truth though otherwise never so plain even to common sense and reason unlesse they find it in so many words in Scripture as t is by us exprest in and this is all that I shall trouble my self to say in reference to the seventh and eighth questions of the late Enquirers with the grounds thereof which are laid down in these words And now further to prove the Minor of the forecited syllogism in some other particulars of it that remain unproved viz. that laying on of hands was not only taught and practised dispenst and submitted to ownd and observed among all baptized believers in the primitive times but all this as by command from God I argue thus viz. Either by command from God or without it But neither without nor against command from God Ergo by it the consequence of the first proposition is most clear for whatever Gospel administration was never commanded by God to be dispensed is practised if practised at all as a tradition of men and without nay against Gods command whose command it is that no man shall presume to teach for doctrines of his the traditions or commandments of men the Minor is as clear that the Apostles did not teach for doctrines of Christ any traditions of their own for as Paul who was one of them that practised laying on of hands saies of himself 1. Cor. 11.23 that he received from Christ that which he delivered unto the Church at Corinth so may we say on the behalf of all the rest as concerning what doctrines they delivered and dispensations they practised to the Churches for surely as Christ the great and immediate messenger from the father could do nothing of himself was not to do his own will but the will of his father which sent him nor to speak or do any thing but as the father gave him commandement confessing that even his doctrine was not his own but his that sent him so they that were the great and immediate messengers from Christ might speak and do nothing in things pertaining to him but as God by him gave commandements unto them neither were any doctrines they delivered among the Churches their own nor any other then the doctrines of Christ whereupon though as Christs doctrine and commandements are called his because he preacht and gave them from God and yet were not his own but the fathers so theirs are called the doctrine and commandements of the Apostles as they had them immediately from him yet are they not their own but the doctrine and comman-of Christ and had they done any thing more then they had order for from him who from him were to give order to the Churches either in the point of laying on of hands or any thing else they would surely have heard harshly from him for it been reproved by the spirit in the word but as to this service of prayer and laying on of hands on all baptized believers in many places he is recorded as approving of them in all they did Moreover that laying on of hands was taught and practised not of their own heads
mercifully meets them out of his way that does not exempt them from comming into it but much more oblige them if they had no further need of it as Christ had none of baptism save to fulfill all righteousness even meerly upon that account to meet him the more cheerfully in it for thus it becometh us me thinks as well as it did Christ himself to fulfil all the righteousnes of his law If any say I deny not the dispensation of laying on of hands in its due seasoâ— even in this age on baptized believers for the spirit but as they were bid to tarry at Ierusalem till they were indued with power from on high Luke 24.50 Act. 1.4 that they might have some men fit to go forth and by laying on of hands give the holy spirit being gifted and fitted by it and filled with it first themselves so we must wait in prayer only for a first giving out of it as Act. 2.1 till power come down on some to make them fit administrators of this dispensation to others and then act in it I say this only in short first their expectation that some men shall and thoughts that of old some men did baptize with the spirit is a grosse mistake for the most they could do was but to pray for it and barely lay on their hands Christ did the one and they the other Secondly if we must wait as they did till the day of Pentecost then we must till that time forbear all baptizing in water and suspend all preaching to the world aswel as laying on of hands but this though the Apostles did so in that juncture and intertime between Christs ascension and the descension of the holy spirit yet our Enquirers among whom some of eminency object as abovesaid do in this time I suppose baptize and increase their number by preaching the Gospel to the world Thus far as to the objections now as to what further obstructive interposal is made in way of question by the Enquirers some of whose queries viz. the second fourth seventh and eighth I have taken notice of above I shall now remove it by saying a little to the residue viz. the first third fifth and sixth The first which with the ground thereof is on this wise is rather a curious querk then a solid question so frivolous as is scarce fit to be answered with any thing but not a word yet a word neverthelesse even unto that First whereas they ground it upon our denial of communion with them we desire them to know that we may more justly put the businesse of our non-communion with them upon their score and lay the deniall of it at their own doors as their doing not ours I say not ours who earnestly desire to have communion even in one body with them and all men in a way of conformity to the word of Christ which gives neither example nor toleration so far as I know for any mixâ— communion in one Church of persons whereof some own all the principles of the doctrine of Christ and some not only own not but deny either all or any of them if it doth shew us where but theirs who deny a part of that very beginning of the word of Christ or first form of his doctrine all the several parts wherof collectively taken make that very foundation upon the whole of which and not part of it onely every right visible Church is built and constituted and besides which there can be no orderly either Church or communion Secondly whereas t is askt what persons are to say or do at the administration of laying hands that they may be found faithful in that point I say that according to Act. 8.15.17 the administrators are to pray for the baptized believers that they may according to the promise Act. 2.39 receive the holy spirit and after that to lay their hands upon them which is easâ—y enough I wot to be understood without expressing what part of the body hands are to be laid on whether the head the place of our imposition which if hands be laid on t is laying on of hands is it not or any other part and as at baptism the believer is without gain-saying it to yield his body to be baptized so at laying on of hands the baptizâ—d believer is to say nothing against it but to give way to have iâ— done accordingly The 3d. question with the ground thereof which runs thus is even as superfluous impertinent vain and frivolous as the former for howbeit neither am I one of those many that have ever yet formally and in terms desired baptized believers to require that hands should be laid on them yet laying on of hands on baptized believers either is Christs mind or it is not if it be not and the Enquirers ever prove it is not we will freely give them leave to require us to let it alone but if it be as t is proved to be above out of Act. 8.16 17.19.1.2.3.6 where t is so plain as to need no deduction then as I shall desire them to have us excused if henceforward we desire baptized believers to require it to be dispenst to them so I give them to understand that it being the mind of Christ though as baptism also is one of his too too dispised dispensations as stout and loath to stoop to it as some baptized believers seem to be t is no disparagement to the best of them that are yet as those Act. 8.16 onely baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus but a behaviour that may well enough beseem them to require it The fifth question is ushered in by an introduction consisting of nothing but division and subdivision of laying on of hands into different kinds according to the difference of the administrators of the persons to whom of the accounts or ends upon which and in order whereunto administred as it followes in their own words thus viz we do or may read of laying on of hands upon severall occasions differing one from the other First in the qualification of the administrator as Luke 21.12 compared with Mark 16 18. the one being wicked the other Godly Secondly differing qualifications in persons on whom hands were laid sometimes before baptized and sometimes after baptism Act. 9.17 and Acts 8.17 Thirdly hands were imposed upon several accounts or ends sometimes to be brought before Rulers as Luke 21.12 sometimes to heal the sick Acts 28. 8. sometimes to cure the blind Act. 9.17 sometimes to set men apart to administer temporall things Acts 6.6 sometimes to set men apart to administer spiritual things Act. 13.3 these were gifted before hands were laid on them Sometimes hands were imposed that men might be gifted 1 Tim 4.14 sometimes hands were laid on by men gifted to give the holy ghost to them that were not set a part to Office as many of themselves say from Acts 8. 17. After which their question with its ground comes
no and are bid to let them grow together with the Wheat are not the Civil Magistrates but Christs Disciples who had nothing to doe to pluck them up and so the civil Magistrate may do it no withstanding to this purpose I have been answered when I have askt in way of querie the sense of that place To which I say First that by the Field is most necessarily meant the World and not the Church First Christ so expounds it himself the field saith he is the World but say they the World is oft used to expresse the Church and so may here I reply first I deny that the word world in any one place of Scripture signifies the Church onely it signifies sometimes the fabrick of the Universe Secondly it signifies all man kind good and bad collectively Thirdly sometimes the wicked onely that lie in wickednesse 1 Iohn 1.13 Iohn 17. abstract and in contradistinction to the godly and the Church but never at all the Church the godly the Elect alone abstract and as in contradistinction to the wicked and though I know how far forth to maintain their absurd doctrines in other cases some Divines divine such a matter yet till they shew more for it then they have ever shewed to me or I am sure can shew out of the word not denying but that there is a number electorum i. e. all that believe and obey Christ exmundo electus their Mundus electorum is haud mundus dialectus Secondly here it cannot be the Church however because it is vox secundae intentionis a speech that is expounded by Christ to be the sense of the other speech of field he used before for if the word world were ever used for the Church it must be by a figure synechdoche whereby a smal snip of it is signified by the whole and then Christ speaks figuratively again in his Exposition of the other figurative word field which were incertum per incertum to open one paraboricall expression by another as paraboricall as that which who can think Christ did to his Disciples to whom his intent was to speak more plain that they might understand him but understand him they could not well if while he spake figuratively at first he did not speak properly at last however for whereas he had told them the field was the World they had as much need to have asked again what the world was if they could not think he meant plainly as he said Thirdly the Church is exprest usually by the name of Christ's Garden Vineyard c. which are places more peculiar and sequestred as Cant. 4.12.16 Isaiah 5.6 Ez. 15. and the world or part without the Church by the name of Field Forrest c. wherein Tares wild bores briars thornes as well as wheat and Saints may live Fourthly if by Field and World here is meant the Church then t will follow that sith the Tares i. e. false Worshippers Hereticks Antichristians are bid to be let alone untill the harvest that such as these may be tolerated not in the world or civil state onely with the Church but also in the very Church it self which toleration cannot be for God chides that Church that suffers Iezebel to teach fornication in her and if the P P Priesthood plead for such a Toleration as this as he had need considering how his Church is filled with tares more then he is either able or willing to root out then â—e is for a tolleration far more intollerable then that we plead for for we would have Hereticks and Schismaticks and Erroneous false worshippers and nominall Christians Antichristians no neerer the Church then in the world with them i. e. the same States Towns houses but not in one and the same Church-fellowship or Congregation but they would have them stand in the Church for which sure Christ gives no permission much lesse a strick Commission as here is that they should But say you Christ does not here mean that they shall stand as if none had to do pluck them up but onely forbids these servants who were his disciples from meddling with them to evâ—ry of whom he gives not Authority to pass censures and punish but some may have Authority for it for all that Some who are those I trow it must be then either the Ministry or the Magistracy not the Ministry for it is far more cleer that by the servants here that took notice of the tares to the housholder is meant the servants of Christ in the office of Ministers that would fain have been meddling as the false Ministry ever does to root out all both out of Church and world too that is not of institution by Christ in their opinion and such a spirit may too much shew it self in the true too see the like Spirit in his own disciples the first Ministers Luke 9.54.55 Mat. 15.12.13.14 for which Christ gives them a check and tells them they knew not what spirit they were of and bids them let the false plants alone to the heavenly Father to pluck up in his time saying let them alone they be blind leaders of the blind and will both in due time fall into the ditch t is far more clear I say that t is his Ministry he here forbids then common disciples for why should not their Ministry complain of them aswell as they yet he bids these let them alone which shewes too that t is the World and not the Church they are to stand in for it belongs properly enough and primarily to the Ministers with consent of the Church executively to passe the censure of putting them out of the Church Secondly not the Magistracy for if it were the Church as they say it is how miserably do they mope and yet so the Priest does that make him the highest officer in the Church to cast persons out of the Church who is though the highest officer over the Church and World too yet in truth no Church officer or Minister in the Church qua Church at all Besides lastly which puts all out of doubt the prohibition is to all men as well as some and sounds forth the mind of Christ to be that the tares shall stand in the Field till the harvest and not be pluckt up by any at all but stand till the harvest they cannot according to his will if according to his will either Magistrate or Minister might pluck them up out of the field what field ere t is that is here spoken of his will is not only that such shall not pluck them up but that they shall not be pluckt up until the harvest i. e. the end of the world till he sends his Angels to gather the tares all things that offend every plant that the heavenly father hath not planted out of his Kingdome which taken at large is the whole world and to bundle them for the fire To all these many more reasons may be added why the Magistrate may not force men at all
here in Eâ—gland from the depth of Popish darknesse have been the most self preserving sect as is to be seen this day in the world keeping together Catervatim in covents Counsells Classes and as trooping so trumpeting together for the most part in one tone according to the tempers of the Princes in whose times you happened to be trained up or have a being in against all that as Heresie which you saw the Higher Powers or general Assemblies of the Kirk directing and State correcting would have so and saving some few still among as well the Popish as Prelatick and Presbyterian Priests for its a hard case if there be never a consciencious Priest at Rome that would say otherwise then you all said saying and unsaying seeing and unseeing turning and returning changing and unchanging singing a new song and unsinging it again agreeing to speak with one mouth like the Prophets that Prophecyed before Ahab 1 Kin. 22.13 who all save one Micaiah said but one thing and nothing still but good good to please the King so that whereas of old it was throughout all Christendome like Priest like Prince like People the heart of all Kingly power being hammered to the will of the Whore with whom it was enamoured Ahab being not a little overwiv'd by Iezebell that stole the breeches from him while he lay in bed with her and ran a whoring after her from the Lord so now since the civil Powers in these parts are resolved to be suprem and to be no more such underlings as to crouch any further then Consultativè about religion to any of the three parts of the Tripple Crown you the Priesthood seeing all your Pomp depend upon your obedience to the Sic volo Sic jubeo of King Henry and his Successors it hath been here like Prince like Preist like People me thinks I here you say O yee time-serving Prince Pleasing Priesthood Tempora mutantur nos mutamur in illis let us have our fees the fleece and let the flock feed how they will Kings Popes or People which ere Supreme do sit May let Religion be as you think fit We cannot but be aware unlesse we will wink how the body of you the Priesthood have for livings sake like reeds in the tide leaned this way and that way even which way soever the waters have turned and stood under K. Henry Papists under K. Edward Protestants under Q. Mary Papists under Q. Elizabeth and K. Iames Protestants and though you were ever eager for that form of Government and Worship still that was in present being pleading the truth of it as if you would have lost your lives rather then left it crying out that Religion it self was taken away if that were not continued as of old for Masse and Popes supremacy and more lately for Common prayer and Episcopacy and more lately yet for a Synodian Supremacy and Scottish Directory yet like children crying for the losse of some Gaudy Hornbook or Gilded Primmer a new Book a new Psalter and Festraw a New Testament or Will of the State streight stops your mouths so that any form else if it be an indifferent Independency may serve the turn specially when you judge it may cost you a whipping if you grumble and conform not Thus whilest truly tender spirits like a few harmlesse flies are catcht in the Cobwebs of mens lawes about Religion the Spider creeps clear over all and lives it out under Papacy Prelacy Presbytery under commands of King Parliament and Army under the impositions of Masse Liturgy Directory and should a law be made as I desire of the powers there never may for conformity to the true form indeed may as well for ought I know begin again with the Baptists in the principles or A B C of Christs doctrine Heb. 6.1 2. and primitive practice You professe you Protestant Priests to be Reformers in these times and places and bringers back of Gods people from Babylon to Sion but verily you hold them back from Returning so fast and so far homeward to the truth as some do more would do were it not for you who rather rap them in then help them on that run faster then your coveteous turns can afford them to do in this work of reforming by the word yea you are the greatest hinderers and retarders that are of that perfect reformation of all things according to the plain pattern of the word which yet upon several occasions since Protestanism came up you have protested for your selves and also pressed not to say what in you lies forced all people to protest for with you How is it else that men when they passe but a little from you Watchmen find him who their souls love and being first ashamed of your and their abominations while by implicit faith they dwelt under the shadow of your Ministery see the form and fashion the commings in and goings out and even all the ordinances and the lawes of Christs house and keep and do them in some measure and not tarrying for man Mic. 5.7 nor waiting for the Sons of men are if not fully reformed yet daily reforming according to their covenant viz. the word of God and example of the best reformed Churches viz. Iudaea Rome in her first and true glory Corinth Galatia Ephesus Plilippi Colosse Thessalonica c. Yet you even you Watchmen are blind and found beating and abusing the spouse for her inquiries and sit like a company of Black Ravens or Rooks in a mist gaping after what way the whole body will take their flight before any Individuall though never so clear in discovery of the right dare once move from his standing before his fellowes you wait one upon another Sperantes omnes in singulis singuli in omnibus for light but behold obsurity for brightnesse but you walk in darknesse You groap for the way like the blind like them that have no eyes calling out help King help Houses help Councells help Neighbour Nations help Brethren of Scotland from all which because they are men and not God flesh and not spirit there comes no help at all save help to Gods people against you and such help too that he that helpeth you shall fall and you that are holpen shall fall down and you shall all fall together and none deliver You are sworn as well as we in the sight of both God and men to reform according to the word and that word is nigh enough even in your mother tongue bibles hearts and mouths viz. the word of faith which we preach Neither is it far off you unless your shutting your eyes against it and putting it away from you hath engaged the Lord to shut up your eyes and put it further so that because seeing you would not see thereupon seeing you shall not You have also promise enough from Christ to know his will in his word if you look to him onely and to it Yet you say who shall go up to heaven to bring Christ
stick and into whose hearts they have eaten fowl healthless holes already and to drive them deeper even with hammer and nailes if they can tell how or else to cleave whole Countries asunder with beetle and wedges Heresie is said by the Apostle to fret like a canker so that it is not the clearness nor yet the coolness nor yet the heat of a disputation can correct it in some mens hearts the tongue may heal any poisoned wound with licking of it sooner then that which the Heretick the Pope and the Priesthood hath made so deeply hath he found his heresies in the dark cells of some mens implicit consciences Athanasius his disputation with Arrius and Austins with Manickaeus are sufficient Instances Indeed it is not possible to expect any good fruit from those former grounds as to the CCClergie themselves and such of their CCCreatures as stand bent to believe all they say and never doubt it though otherwise much good may come to others that are inquisitive by disputation with them or that he which is possessed with self love and hunts so greedily after glory or gain as the CCClergie dots should be perswaded to hearken to any reason which contradicts his principles or to disclaim that waie which must advance his design What is the result of this discourse to forbid all disputation with HHHim no by no means it is necessary to stop the clamors of the adversarie to the truth who will cry out victoria if his challenge be not answered and make our sâ—leuâ—e be a confession of the truth on his side if he be not stoutly encountred with Saint Austin who was in his time called Malleus hereticorum of whom it is said that he never went so willingly to a feast as to a conference when Pascentins the Arrian bragd that he had worsted him in his dispute and those believed it which desired it yet gave not out from disputing but was onely careful to set down his disputations in writing for the future that the truth might appear vindicated from those false reports with which commonly it is blasted either by word or else by some such true counterfeit Accounts in print as that which is at this day extant of the disputation held at Ashford A Disputation orderly carried soberly proceeded with without heats and distempered passions not suffered to go out of its due bounds nor to follow every new sent that is taken up by the way nor to degenerate into quarrellings and hasty fals chargings of the Anabaptists as this and that they know not what without proving them such or disproving their doctrines as if others do not I do know more then one place where and where more then once too it hath been so will contribute much to the clearing of truth the begetting of doubts in them that yet never doubted but blindly believed the contrary The removing of doubts in them that are already in doubts about it and putting it out of all doubt to them all in the end that all is not so well yet as it ought to be with the very reforming Clergy and that their parochial posture is popish and their constitution ordination administrations baptism and the supper is all disorderly and out of joint to the confirming of the strong that stand fast in the true faith the recovery of the laps't world that hath departed from the faith Gospel Baptism Church order which was once delivered to the Saints and been seduced from Christ by the Scholastical incroachments of the CCClergy and as it may chance in time if the civil powers that have preferred them would come once to favour the truth the convincing â—he SSSeducer it is rare so to mannage one among an unskilful multitude where the auditors take themselves no lesse engaged then their champions and will be ready on all hands too much but an 100 fold more for ought I find among the parochial party then the other disorderly to break the lists which hath made so many able Scholars not in mans onely but in Christs School also almost averse from undertaking it but unless their be sufficient caution against such exorvitatances as jangling with bells to drownd all audience of truth and counter speeches of non-sense rather then nothing to interrupt him that is about to speak the truth and noise of shouting if it were possible to shame the truth and such like geer as I have met with in my daies better be no disputation at all nor preaching of truth among such it being if not a giving of that which is holy to dogs and casting of pearles before swine which will turn again and rent you yet at least impossible any thing should come of it that good is and yet even that shall be no hurt to the Ministers of Christ that are approved in tumults yet cannot help it but blasphemy to the truth stumbling to the weak parishioners that stumble enough already poor souls the Lord help them to see their preachers violently oppose preaching and proving the truth out of the Scriptures a kind of shamefull Glory to the adversaries of the truth the PPPriesthood from some a glorious shame to the undertakers for it There is therefore a better way for the true Pastors of the true Churches and specially the Churches messengers to the world in which to oppose the approach of heresies which the parish Pastors make mickle use of to oppose the truth by under the names of Anabaptism at least in their Respective flocks and that is by preaching To argue substantially against them to convince them soundly is the best in the pulpit if they can freely get in a place wherein one might have hid ones self for a month together or more and sometimes a year from some parish Priests non-resident Parsons divinity Doctors but specially the lazy Lord Bishops not very long since but now to keep out the Anabaptists more frequented by some Priests then else it would be a place which is secured much and yet not alwayes neither when plain truth tellers are in it from those incursions to which disputations are subject It is worth observation that neither Transubstantion nor consubstantion have so much as appeared in these days wherin so many old Heresies as infant sprinkling for one which as a mad bul having its deaths blow on the forehead struggles more then ever are in a sort revived and stickled for and plyed with new and fresh assaults and unheard of arguments for t was pleaded for but as a tradition mostly in times above us as well as new ones broached And the reason is because all Ministers in these parts good and bad true false even the Priests themselves in their Sermons provided for the sacrament have every where oppugned them as having indeed no cleer colour in them of either Scripture common sense or reason as neither hath infant sprinkling if the National Ministers would once wisely consider it The learned Hooker observes that in Poland so
things 1 Cor. 13. strengthneth all things beautifieth all things composeth all things the contrary to which weakneth maâ—reth ruinateth consumeth Gal. 5. confoundeth all things in the Church Iam. 3â— it is not apt to see things amisse more then she must needs and if it cannot but see them she will hidâ— and rover them what she may with a safe conscience especially the nakednesse of her father and the shame of her mother unless they both prove so abominably impudent and shamelesse as like to the false National and Parochial Churches and their ghostly fathers palpably to play the harlot under pretence of holinesse to the Lord and then she may not hold her peace but cry out upon 't as she will not be held accessary to their sins and guilty of the losse of love to the Lord her self she extenuates faults in very enemies so far as they are enemies to us onely and not God for she hates them that hate him and can shew but little favour to their faults however she will not aggravate them in brethren it is not a light matter will work dislike in her of the brotherhood much lesse departure and divorce she covers a multitude of offences and will not upon such trivial ones such meer mole-hills as the sensualists of these times stumble at in the true Churches break forth into distemper and rage oh where is the charity of the true Church in these times where is the Cherub that covereth certainly if this of love had been the temper of all Christians and disciples in the true Churches as t is pretended to be theirs in the highest by such as are gone out from them mistaking lust for love the breach the rent of the Ranters from the true Church had not been so great nor the wound or separation of that Schismatick so grievous it must be a great and unsufferable crime and that evidently proved must make charity break the bonds of peace even that of perverting the primitive Gospel changing Christs laws and falsifying his ordinances in their forms and subjects depraving his Divine institutions defiling corrupting violating adulterating his holy will and testament worshipping God in vain teaching for doctrine the traditions of men and she will not then depart by separation till she despaires of Redresse which was the Protestants case with their once holy mother the Church of Rome when she prov'd a strumpet the Presbyterian with their Ghostly fathers the Prelatick Priests the Independents with the Presbyters the Baptists with the Independents and all the rest but not the Seekers case with the Baptists for they act in all things according to the primitive pattern shewed in the word as for all the rest viz. the Po-Prela-Presbyter-Independent Pastoralty and people they are altogether out of the way and more or lesse corrupt and traditional in their constitutions and dispensations to this day 8. If doubts arise about the true form and right subjects of baptism go not to Seducers or parish PPPriests for resolution for they are not very well resolved about it some saying t is of God some of men some that t is to be done to this end and purpose some to that some upon one kind of account some upon another as is discovered above in the Re-Review they pretend at least to be seekers themselves and pray for more light for both themselves and their people yet smoother it still as it rises upon them yea many of them are so taken up with minding means and money that they mean not to find truth nor follow it faster then it goes along with tith go not therefore I say to them That is dubius ad dubios caecus ad caecos saith Tertullian in another case for the blind to be lead by the blind yea these are the blind guides of their blinder people whom having themselves forgotten Christs Law they cause to erre these are the staff to which people trust and lean that declare their own falsehoods instead of Christs truth these are the stocks of which they ask councel that would have all men hang upon their mouths and take things for truth as they come out by common consent from them and tell us that Gods advice is Ask the Priest and so it was concerning the Law Hag. 2.12 for the Priests lips should keep knowledge and they should seek the Law at his mouth but verily as t was said of the Priests of old Mal. 2.1 ad 10. so may it much more truly be said now the Priests will not hear the Lords commandements and will not lay it to heart to give glory to his name therefore God sends a curse upon them and blasts their understandings and blinds their eyes and curses their blessings because they lay it not to heart Indeed they bid us Ask the Priest as if they were very forward to resolve men but alas as many of them are not much minded to be resolved themselves in that point which intrenches too much upon their interest so much lesse are they minded for the most part in order to the resolution of others to render any reason of their way of baptism at all before their people I have been more then either an eye or an ear witnesse of not onely the rigid refusals to answer but also the rough repulses that have been given by some of chiefest note in our County of Kent to such as have never so modestly propounded questions to them or demanded an account of the truth of their practise in their publick places And how no answer but no answer Dr. Chamberlain had from Dr. Gouge to this question Whether the sprinkling of Infants were of God or man is known sufficiently to all though it was pressed on him in three or four letters by all the rationall and Christian considerations that could be possible yea though he intreated him to return him an answer for his own sake to return him an answer for Dr. Gouges own sake to return him an answer for the peoples sake to return him an answer for Gods sake yet how did he put him off with delaies as if the businesse were now dubious to himself when as formerly he had acknowledged that it was a tradition of the Church and would give answer nec per se nec per se Synodum When therefore they shall say unto you ask the Priest seek unto us I say seek not unto them that say they seek but are loath to find themselves or at least are afraid that men should find and see all that which they cannot clearly deny to be the truth seek not to them that peep and that mutter and speak not out as if the matter were not momentary to be mentioned as if they were in a quandary whether it be safe or no to seek too seriously after the truth oâ—t should not a people seek unto their God for the living to the dead to the law and to the testimony your selves oh yee people if they speak not plainly
Church and Schismaticks in the Church c. wherewith you astonish the vulgar but I protest this day before God and men not onely against him against whom you are Protestants also but against your selves also his Schismatical sons who own his ordinations and still walk in some of his ordinances viz. Rantism Parochial posture c. as those that are little lesse ignorant then he and his good sons of both the true Church and true peace thereof whilst the truth to which she should submit is not regarded by you and the very things that make a true visible Church and are de esse and constitutive of it so that abstract them and you null it viz. true matter i. e. believers baptized and true form i. e. free and not forced fellowship both which are so in the Churches of England Scotland Italy France and Spain are not onely wanting but also trodden under your feet Fourthly the peaceable way wherein we propagate these opinions were you as sure they are erroneous as I am that you 'l once find them to be truth will yet excuse and acquit us from all guilt of disturbing the peace of either the world or your Church which is the world in reference to the true one and unlesse you can say the Gospel of peace which where ere it comes occasions dissentions is the cause of them as in no wise it is but mens lusts rather that rage and take on against it you cannot say our Gospel is for it propounds them to the world in no other way then that and that way was no other then bare propounding them and as Christ and his disciples did not judge them here though they will judge them most severely hereafter who reject their words by the power of the Magistrate by the civil sword by nailing to pillories cutting off ears slitting noses whippings â—ines confiscations prisons bonds banishments fightings fire and fagot the bloody wayes whereby BBBabilon hath edified it self to that height of abomination the Arguments whereby the CCClergy were wont to convert Hereticks quickly from all error to dust and ashes so if any man hear our words and reject them well may we rebuke him sharply as they also did but we judge him not in that way whereby the Tribe of Levi that hath levied war for his lusts sake against the whole earth hath bereft all men of peace neverthelesse the words that we speak to him being those that Christ and his disciples have spoken in the world the same will judge him at the last day Secondly why sith it must needs be supposed there be many Godly men among the Ministers of the Nations though the most of them be wicked yet I do not except and exempt them when I inveigh so heavily against the CCClergy or why I do not rather forbear and spare to speak so broad at all and so generally as I do against that generation as an evill one for the sake of those good ones that are among them To which I say First that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 godly men properly are those onely that worship God aright i. e. according to his own will and institution 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which well weighed might possibly put the best men among you to your trumps to make good your title to that title and denomination of godly by Scripture record sith while you stand among the rest even you as well as the worst do preach and practise for doctrines of Christ some traditions of man if you had no more enjoined you by them on whom you wait for your instructions then barely the sprinkling of infants by which you make void what in you is the true baptism of Christ. Yet not denying but that there is a sprinkling of honest hearts quorum meliori luto finxit praecordia Titan whom the sun of righteousnesse as he lightens every man that cometh into the world hath hatcht up into a higher predicament of Godlinesse then their fellowees who are drawn up into some higher streins of devotion then the rest I adde further Secondly what are these littles to the lump what is the gleaning to the vintage here and there one good man to the whole corrupt crue of them that like Locusts and Caterpillars have spread themselves together with the smoak of errors over the earth in three several swarms or armies can some scores of well meaning Priests give the denomination of an holy PPriesthood godly Ministry to those legions of them that lie in wickednesse you may as well say there 's a million of Saints among the men of the world therefore reprove not the world for their sakes such as these who out of meer simple honestly rather then sinful sophistry and mystical iniquity do stand and act and argue against the true way as they do are Rarae aves very few to the multitude of humanists and sensual ones and subtle subverters of the Gospel which yet they would seem to be Ministers of for their own ends by whom they are commonly so hated too so far as they have any more strictnesse and sincerity then ordinary that they are among the other of their brethren as I was for querying after truth while I stood among them as owles and bats baited by other birds which few good grapes were they better then they are cannot denominate the whole vintage as una hirundo non facit ver BBBabilon is BBBabilon still and SSSodom is SSSodom and must be called so though Lot live in it and he called out of it too unlesse he mean mean to perish with it Thirdly those good men that are there the mores the pitty that they are so ought not to be suffered nor spared but spoke to the rather themselves and that very roundly too for being and abiding in a bad way and not the way it self and those many bad men that are in it scape declaring against as bad because of them there must be down-right dealing with upright men when they are in a wrong way and that indeed is the most upright dealing with them of all yea Sirs you that are upon the Account of these times for godly Ministers let me say this to you for verily I have sorrow of heart for some of you of my old acquaintance my own flesh and blood for whose sakes fâ—esh in me would fain be silent as knowing flesh in you would fain be let a lone but I must urge you to be serious in seeing how unsafely you satisfie your selves in your present fellowship with a carnal Clergy what make you among the prophane Ministry of the Nations that hath in all ages sate with such weight upon them as to sink them into a gulf of error so that all truth almost is heresie with them now and under hazard of being smoothered as soon as it peepes out from under that veil of traditions that hath covered it what make you keeping a Court of guard among the Babilonians to help to hold them in
desirable then tongues which is so talkt on so it is defined to be no other then speaking to exhorration edification and comfort and also v. 31.32.33 where it s said you may all prophecy one by one and the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets which shewes t was no gift of speaking infallibly but only preaching because it s supposed that they may be out and erre in their prophecy and must submit to correction in case they do from the other prophets Obj. Ans. Ob. Ans. * which I much marvel at sith this objection supposes a continuation or resurrection of that same ordinance of laying on of hands in the last daies after a whiles waiting for administrators but the questions subscribed to are all or most of them such as suppose the Enquirers to be much in the dark and in doubt about it what kind of laying on of hands that is that 's called a doctrine of Christ Heb. 6.1 whether ever such a thing was or is ever to be dispensed to all baptized believers c. as if they could not tell almost whether there be at least appointed by Christ such a manner of administration * viz. Seeing we are denied communion by some of those Churches or by some members thereof who hold the necessity of all baptized believers to practise submit to or come under the laying on of hands Therefore we desire them to acquaint us what we are commanded to say or do that we may be found faithful in that point or otherwise to be discovered disobedient unto a command by the Word of God which is the onely director here and that which shall be our judge at the last day * which is the wise query of some also and as learned a question as if one should ask whether at the supper we must put the elements to our mouths with the right hand or the left or in baptism ask how the baptizer must handle the person baptized and where he must take hold on him when he dips him and if he have not expresse Scripture concerning such nicities and trifles as these suspend the dispensation of both the supper baptism because Christ is somwhat short in his word not expressing punctually enough how his ordinances shall be dispensed nor what is to be said and done by persons at the doing of them so distinctly as they would have him But foolish and unlearned questions avoid knowing that they do gender strises 2 Tim. 2.23 p Viz. Seeing there be many that do desire baptized believers to require that hands should be laid on them Therefore we desire of them to shew us some place of Scripture if they know of any that doth expresse such a behaviour either of the administrator or the person on whom hands were laid * for such a behaviour as to reprove their backwardnesse and summon men to shew their forwardnesse to own Christs wayes may become any administrator whatsoever Act. 22.16 * Viz. Seeing many plead laying on of hands to be practised or submitted unto as a foundation principle or a beginning doctrine of Christ and that by all baptized believers Therefore we desire to know if any of them can inform us which of all these layings on of hands forementioned is called by Christ or his Apostles the foundation principle or beginning doctrine by some text in Scripture * if it be not somewhat an improper phrase to stile wicked men in their wrathful and cruel handlings of the Saints Administrators of any doctrine of Christ that is stiled imposition of hands as to me it seems to be unlesse wee l allow the name of an Administrator also to the devil himself when he tempts the Saints and puts forth his hands against them to smite them with any mischiefs in either body or spirit as by Gods permission he did Job Job 1.12 Job 2.6.7 * 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Luke 21 12. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act 5 18. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act 8 17 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act 19.6 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act 13.3 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 6 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 1 〈◊〉 4 14. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heb. ◠2. * Viz Seeing that Heb 6.2 speaks of the laying on of hands as plural as the doctrine of baptisms and doth not speak of any one laying on of hands fore-mentioned particularly nor of any other by distinction neither of any end purpose or event Therefore we desire to know what safety it is for any man to conclude that Heb. 6.2 is meant but of one of them onely †See Mr Blackwoods last book newly extant even whilest I am writing to you on this subject stiled a soul-searching catechism p. 58 in p. 54.55.56.57.58.59 of which he treats totally of this subject * Viz. Mr. Cotton Dr. Holm◠who as is shewed above in the 139 140 141. pages of this very volume I am yet in hand with borrowes Cottons and Calvins reading out of Antiquity concerning the practise of imposition of hands to all grown persons before admission to Church-fellowship wherby to prove infant-baptism which thereby he rather breaks the neck of * Viz. Mr. Cotton Dr. Holm◠who as is shewed above in the 139 140 141. pages of this very volume I am yet in hand with borrowes Cottons and Calvins reading out of Antiquity concerning the practise of imposition of hands to all grown persons before admission to Church-fellowship wherby to prove infant-baptism which thereby he rather breaks the neck of * consisting of 3 sorts of Christ'n creatures under a 3 sold CCClergy viz. papal prelatical presbyterian * yet some Ranters are not ashamed to say they are Christ and God and there is no other God then they and what 's in them and such like blasphemies whereby they declare themselves to be that generation that are to rise in the latter daies and make the man of sin even that wicked one that shall exalt himself above all that 's called God saying of himself he is God given over to strong delusion to believe lies that they may be damned because not receiving the love of the truth that they might be saved whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming 2 Thess. 2. denying the Lord that bought them and bringing on themselves swift destruction 2 Pet. 2.2 * Viz. touching of dead bodies Num. 5.2 eating or touching the carcases of any forbidden fishes birds or beasts Lev. 11.24.31 diseases as the leprosie Lev. 13.8 running of issues Levit. 15.2 and such like * for if he that despised Moses law died without mercy of how much sorer punishment shall he be thought worthy that hath troden under foot the son of God Heb. 10.29 therefore we had need to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard least at any time we let them slip for if the word spoken by angels was sure and stedfast and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of
were but Natural at least but Temporal men besides themselves thus the Bishops were called Lords Spiritual and other Lords Lords Temporal so that of Priests see the book of Common-prayer and of ordination of Priests and Deacons whereas these are titles afforded by the spirit to all the Saints of God as well as some 1 Cor. 3.15 1 Pet. 2.9 Rev. 1.6.5.10 yet I call them by these names because these are now the most common names whereby they are known or else properly I cannot call them by these nor by any other names whereby they commonly call themselves I cannot call them the Spiritualty for not one of many of them hath any Spiritualnesse in him I cannot call them Divines for they are rather Humanes if they have their due whilst they teach Gods fear after mens precepts and for doctrines the Traditions of men I cannot call them the Tribe of Levi for Levi though he took Tith according to the Law whereof he was the Priest in the loines of Abraham paid Tithes to the person of that high Priest that we are under viz. Melchizedeck or the King of Righteousnesse Christ Iesus but these are so far from paying Tithes to Christ that they most grievously gripe his people if they pay it not to them I cannot call them Ministers i. e. servants of Christ of the Church for they are rather Lords and Masters over his heritage unlesse Servus Servorum and Dominus Dominorum may stand together I cannot call them Pastors or Shepheards till I can own their Parishes for Christs Sheep for if we denominate them by the General temper of their people they profess to stand Pastors too they seem to be Swinheards rather by their people swallowing in the mire I cannot call them Presbyters or Elders though some of them be Seniores annis unlesse they were Saniores Animis then they are for they are not yet sound nor Orthodox in either their judgements doctrine or practise so long as they are against the truest baptism and abide unbaptized I cannot call them Preachers of the Gospel for they preach down that Gospel which was at first preached concerning Christs dying for the sins of the whole world I cannot call them Bishops or Overseers of Christs flock in the spirits sense i. e. in respect of their care to take heed to or feed it but Overseers in another sense rather I may properly stile them for verily Christs flock is so little and low poor and plain mean and base hated and dispised and themselves so lofty and high minded that as not many noble and mighty so few or none of these wise men after the flesh can stoop or look so low as it is and so for the most part they oversee it and lastly if those be the true Clergy and Priests of God that are obedient to his word as the Scripture saies they are the CCClergy need not find fault as they do with the Mar-priests of these times for in very deed the CCClergy PPPriests and Presbiters have been the truest Priest-biters Claw-clergies and Mar-Priests themselves * Rem enim indignam esse putant c. saith Calvin Inst. li. 4. c. 11.5.15 they deem it a disparagement that they should be made to answer in their own personall causes before any civil Magistrate and suppose both the liberty and dignity of the Church i. e. the Clergy to ly in an exemption from the common seats of judicature and their laws but the Bishops of old who were otherwise strict enough in pleading the priviledges of the Church did judge it no disgrace either to themselves or their function to subject themselves to civill powers * whose work lay mostly in reading service in old time till the Gospel came again to be pâ—eached in these latter daies Act. 19.24 to 39. * who saw some truth in their daies wherein t was twilight but not all that is now to be seen for though I reverence the men as I do every man that sees truth as far as it shines clearly in his time yet Luther left much truth unseen to himself behind him and some of Calvinsâ—nstitutions â—nstitutions too are none of Christs * For verily these Starrs for their light of learning as Dr. Featley confesses p. 165.166 have been the Authors devisers and broachers of Heresies yea peruse saith he if thou please all the antient Heresies listed by Epiphanius Austin Philastrius Alphonsus a castro Ambrosius de Rusconibus and others and therein thou shall find the Ring-leaders great Clerks and accute Sophisters whence is that true observation of Tertullian Philosophi Hereticorum Patriarchae Philosophers have been the great Grandfathers of Hereticks Nahum 3. thy crowned are as the locusts O King of Assyria Apollyon in the Antitype * Of which chain of succession of Ministry if but one link fail or chance to be lost so that it meets with interruption you confesse all your Ministry lies on the ground too and cannot at any hand be counted valid or raised again and yet if there was not a breach of that line in the link of Pope Joan aliâs Gilberta an English woman born at Lin who was both literally and mystically the Whore of Rome and therefore far I wot from being a true Presbyter or Minister of Christs Church in which women are forbid to usurp authority then my understanding failes me not a little * Who by Austin the Monk dispatcht an Ordination hither with resolution about infants viz. that in case of necessity they might be baptized by which ordination men have ever since bin authorized to ordain here and such as have been ordained to baptize * For the civil Magistracy may reside in women as is also shewed above who though by Pope Ioanes example they may yet by Pauls rule they may not usurp authority in the Church * For now that 's put down also as to the present session as every power will be and that suddenly and with shame that puts down others for tyranny covetousness unrighteousness self settlement in greatnesse and delay of justice to poor people that cry for it in these latter daies and yet succeeds them in the same sins and in such security as to say Populus me sibilet at mihi plaudo Ipsa domi simulac nummos contempler in Arca. * I mean take tith for you pay none * of which you have the fift not the tenth if the husbandmans charges be all considered * If you were not blind your selves you would gather thus much from that viz. that while men are blind they sat under your ministry but when once they begin clearly to see they can see no ground to sit under you any longer * Nicholas the first was I think the first that prohibited the Clergy marriage saying that it was more honest to have to do with many women privately then openly to take one wife Insomuch that a Priest of Placentia being accused to have a wife and children was deprived of his Benefice but