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that_o it_o be_v man_n disputation_n which_o occasion_v all_o these_o question_n on_o the_o subject_a of_o the_o eucharist_n or_o discover_v these_o consequence_n we_o speak_v of_o mr._n arnaud_n will_v fain_o persuade_v we_o to_o it_o but_o we_o know_v the_o contrary_a and_o that_o it_o be_v the_o very_a doctrine_n itself_o of_o transubstantiation_n which_o have_v produce_v they_o for_o they_o take_v their_o birth_n from_o what_o our_o eye_n see_v and_o hand_n touch_v and_o experience_n which_o can_v but_o be_v acknowledge_v in_o effect_n they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v more_o among_o the_o schoolman_n than_o controvertist_n more_o among_o author_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n than_o protestant_n there_o be_v so_o great_a absurdity_n in_o say_v the_o greek_n be_v ignorant_a of_o the_o consequence_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o transubstantiation_n suppose_v they_o believe_v it_o that_o mr._n arnaud_n seem_v to_o be_v ashamed_a to_o maintain_v it_o to_o the_o end_n 62._o ibid._n pag._n 62._o he_o turn_v himself_o on_o another_o side_n and_o tell_v we_o that_o it_o be_v the_o docility_n of_o the_o faith_n of_o the_o greek_n which_o will_v not_o permit_v they_o to_o behold_v these_o difficulty_n but_o this_o be_v very_o absurd_o answer_v again_o for_o be_v it_o thus_o the_o greek_n themselves_o will_v at_o least_o tell_v we_o something_o of_o it_o i_o mean_v they_o will_v tell_v we_o themselves_o in_o some_o sort_n that_o they_o know_v well_o all_o these_o consequence_n and_o be_v not_o so_o stupid_a but_o that_o they_o see_v such_o and_o such_o question_n which_o arise_v from_o the_o conversion_n of_o the_o substance_n but_o that_o they_o behold_v they_o as_o a_o abyss_n which_o can_v be_v fathom_v or_o to_o use_v mr._n arnaud_n eloquent_a expression_n that_o they_o stifle_v and_o ibid._n ibid._n drown_v all_o humane_a thought_n in_o the_o absolute_a certainty_n of_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o infallible_a authority_n of_o his_o church_n they_o will_v give_v some_o 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a_o word_n say_v touch_v transubstantiation_n nor_o those_o that_o oppose_v it_o be_v what_o the_o baron_n spataris_n say_v true_a mr._n arnaud_n have_v be_v treacherous_a to_o his_o own_o cause_n in_o suppress_v so_o important_a and_o decisive_a a_o clause_n and_o have_v be_v at_o a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n to_o no_o purpose_n in_o all_o this_o dispute_n see_v he_o may_v have_v produce_v this_o excommunication_n and_o stick_v to_o it_o that_o which_o we_o have_v already_o see_v touch_v paysius_fw-la ligaridius_n and_o the_o moldavian_a gentleman_n may_v serve_v as_o a_o rule_n whereby_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o testimony_n of_o some_o greek_a priest_n under_o the_o patriarchate_o of_o antioch_n the_o care_n the_o emissary_n take_v to_o make_v proselyte_n in_o this_o country_n will_v make_v we_o cease_v wonder_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v six_o greek_a priest_n find_v ready_a to_o acknowledge_v and_o sign_n whatsoever_o be_v offer_v they_o moreover_o they_o live_v near_o the_o 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