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A91891 The peoples plea for the exercise of prophesie. Against master John Yates his monopolie / by Iohn Robinson. Robinson, John, 1575?-1625. 1641 (1641) Wing R1696; Thomason E1093_1; ESTC R208638 39,795 82

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