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B02879 The result of a dialogue concerning the middle-state of souls. Wherein is asserted, the ancient doctrine of their relief, obtainable by prayers, alms, &c. before the day of judgment. / By F.D. professor of divinity. Franciscus a Sancta Clara, 1598-1680. 1660 (1660) Wing D355A; ESTC R175909 24,202 157

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