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error_n and_o embrace_v the_o contrary_a fundamental_a truth_n and_o so_o can_v be_v sure_a that_o he_o have_v true_a repentance_n unless_o he_o know_v in_o particular_a what_o truth_n and_o error_n be_v fundamental_a and_o you_o deliver_v a_o very_a pernicious_a error_n in_o say_v pag_n 159_o n._n 52._o whosoever_o die_v with_o faith_n in_o christ_n and_o contrition_n for_o all_o sin_n know_v and_o unknowen_a in_o which_o heap_n all_o his_o si_fw-mi full_a error_n must_v be_v comprise_v can_v no_o more_o be_v hurt_v by_o any_o the_o most_o malignant_a and_o pestilent_a error_n then_o s._n paul_n by_o the_o viper_n which_o he_o shake_v of_o into_o the_o fire_n for_o if_o he_o remain_v in_o his_o error_n about_o fundamental_a point_n he_o want_v the_o contrary_a actual_a explicit_a belief_n of_o they_o which_o be_v suppose_v to_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n and_o so_o he_o will_v not_o cast_v that_o viper_n but_o it_o will_v cast_v he_o into_o the_o fire_n his_o error_n 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