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A62157 Some queries proposed, to the monethly meeting of the Quakers at Aberdeen; the sixth day of June, 1700. By Robert Sandilands With their answers thereto; together with some remarks thereupon. Published by authority. To which is prefixed a letter from George Keith, sent to the Quakers in Aberdeen, containing a very serious and Christian expostulation with his old friends, &c. Sandilands, Robert.; Keith, George, 1639?-1716. aut 1700 (1700) Wing S663; ESTC R220626 23,403 36

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as I know One thing more I must say which is that as it is well known to divers in this place that no outward prospect ever mov'd me to leave the Protestant Religion and join with the Quakers so I can say in the sight of Almighty GOD and in the sincerity of my heart that no Worldly interest induced me now to leave their communion but plain conviction and full perswasion of those many gross and pernicious Heresies which were very clearly discovered to me in their Writtings And as I am convinced that many sober and serious Persons among them do not believe or somuch as imagine that such unchristian Doctrines were ever broached or mantained by their chief Ieachers so I heartily pray that the LORD would enlighten their minds that they may both discover and acknowledge their Errours and abhore them as much as I do GEORGE KEITH'S Letter My Old Friends Andrew Jaffray Iohn Robertson Robert Gordon Iohn Forbes of Achortes c. HAving the occasion of the Bearer I thought fit to send you my fourth Narrative and another late Book of mine called the Deism of William Penn c which I desire you to read impartially and without prejudice I hope ye will not be so strait as not to read them for as ever I could and did very freely read the Books of any against me so I still can and do readily read them The said Narrative as to the truth of the Quotations is attested by men of Credit and beside I suppose many of the Books that I have quoted in the same ye may have by you and some others ye may easily procure whereby to find whether my Quotations be true and just and if you find them so to be I hope you will calmly and seriously consider them and Compare them with the Holy Scriptures which I beseech you more diligently to search with earnest Prayer to God Almigty that he would give you a good understanding by His Divine Illumination by which you will see that the chief Teachers of the Quakers whom both Ye and I have in our Ignorance owned for true Teachers have Taught very false Doctrines contradicting the Holy Scriptures in diverse of the great fundamentals of Christianity I shall not here expostulat with You for your unkindness to me Uncharitableness and rash Judgement against me in your Letters and Papers sent up here to London against me some Yeasr ago But my Prayer is to God both for You and others thereaway that he may give You a better Understanding and make You more Charitable in Judgement both to me and others and more humble in Your own Conceits I freely own with sorrow and deep Repentance that I have been injurious to You and others thereaway not in any Wordly matter but while I was with You and in my ignorant Zeal thinking that I did God good Service that I was any wayes instrumental to mislead and misinform You and turn You out of the way in any of the least Principle or Practice of Christian Religion For this I acknowledge that I am a great Debtor to You and would willingly make restitution and be at as great and greater Pains to undeceive You and bring You out of the Mire as ever I was to lead You into it but if You refuse my offer God I doubt not will forgive me and not lay it to my Charge and the Sin will ly at your Door I hope I can say as Paul said I have obtained Mercy because I did it ignorantly The main things wherein I Charge my self to have misinformed You and any others either by my Words or Books are in leading You into great Unchatitablene●s towards all other Protestant Societies and into too high an Esteem of the People called Quakers and their Leaders and Teachers and Way of Practice in diverse things both Religious and Civil and more especially to the rejecting of the Holy Institutions of our Blessed Lord of Baptism and the Supper and setting up Humane Institutions in room of them as George Fox his orders of Womens Meetings and Government in Church Affairs the Condemning all other Protestant Teachers though more sound in Faith and of more Religious Practices and Professors of Christianity as Priests of Baal and Worshippers of Baal crying out against their Congregations for their Mixtures Whereas alas there has been all along a greater Mixture among the People called Quakers both as to Unsoundness of Doctrine and Practices Ye Your selves know how little God is Worshipped with Prayer and Thanksgiving in the Families of the Quakers generally very few excepted excusing all by pretence of mental and inward Prayer and want of Divine Motions to carry them forth in external Acts of Worship So that to my certain knowledge possibly to Yours also too many high Pretenders to Spirituality among the People called Quakers who are Masters of Families and have Wives and Children and Servants yet rarely Bow their bodily Knees to God in their Families And Set-times of Prayer and Thanksgiving either for the Closet or Family Worship have been generally laid aside These are the Chief Things for which I have blamed my self in being instrumental in former Times to have misinformed you though I think all along I was generally more Charitable in Judgement towards many others of other Societies then many were or now are among the People called Quakers But it 's a great Comfort to me that upon a strict Examination of my former Perswasions and Principles as extant in my former Books for which I think I can appeal to You as well as what I have declared among You I was never guilty of that Horrid Unbelief and Antichristian Errors and Heresies contradicting the chief Fundamentals of Christianity that I have found the Chief English Teachers among the Quakers guilty of I desire to Bless God my Preserver who all along hath Preserved me sound in the Faith as touching all the twelve Articles of that called the Apostles-Creed the God Head and Man hood of Our Blessed Lord JESUS CHRIST His Person and Offices For which I desire You to Read and Consider the Answer given by me and my dear and Worthy Friend Alexander Jaffray now with God to the thirty Questions sent to him by Bishop Scougal if that Worthy Man had Lived to this Day in the Body I Question not but he would have been a Strength to me in my Opposition to those Vile Errors held by the English Leaders among the Quakers Viz. G. F. G. W. F. B. and many others I hoped also that ye had been better Principled against these vile Errors and that in good Measure by Means of my Labour among You. So that it was no small Surprise to me to find you join in a Combination against me with my Adversaries here as you know ye and Your Friends generally did soon after my Arrival into England from America Your pretence then was that ye could not believe that Friends either in America or England were guilty of the
Errors I had Charged them with but if you will give your selves the Liberty to Read my late Books and particularly the two I now send you I hope ye will be convinced of the Truth of my Charge as diverse hereaway both in City and Country through the Mercy of God are so convinced but I fear that some among you are too deeply guilty of some of the same Errors And if ye in particular are not how can ye in Conscience own them to be your Christian Brethren whom I have proved so evidently guilty of them as particularly the chief Teachers among the Quakers hereaway some Living and some Deceased And I earnestly request you to distinguish betwixt any good things either in Doctrine or Practice which ye have seen or observed in me and whatever was contrary thereunto so as to cleave unto the former and only reject the latter What Honesty or Sobriety and Christian Practice ye ever saw in me I hope to persevere in it and increase in the same and I desire you to do the like but reject your Errors your Uncharitableness of Judgement towards others your Spiritual Pride and over high Esteem of your selves Believe not every Spirit either in your selves or others but try the Spirits and bring all Doctrines and Practices to the Test of the Holy Scriptures and pray God to give you that True Light and Discerning to help you to make an Impartial Examination It hath been a great default generally among the people called Quakers and remains among them too much to Countenance Ignorant Persons if they pretend to the Spirits Teachings and Motions to Preach and Pray and Travel from Place to Place as Teachers of others when yet they want to be taught the first Principles of Christianity and it s to be feared ye have such ignorant Teachers among you I am sure I remember when some of you used to blame it in my hearing and as I desire you to make a distinction betwixt what is right and wrong in any of my former Doctrines or Practices I hope none of you could ever charge me with any Immorrality or Scandalous Conversation when among you but that if I wanted an Attestation to that I think ye would do me that Justice to give me an ample Testimony so I would have you to know that I continue grounded and firmly perswaded as to that most necessary and excellent Doctrine of Gods Inward Teachings by his Holy Spirit Light and Grace and his gracious operations and Assistances to enable us and all good Christians to perform every acceptable Service to him And whatever ye or any others may or doe judge of me I bless my Gracious God that I feel my self a living member of CHRIST's Body by partaking daily of the Life and living Vertue of the Head JESUS CHRIST our Lord and a Living branch upon that living Vine and my care is and ever I hope shall be to abide in him which I bless God for I find by true experience that I can remain and abide such and yet be reformed in many things in my judgement and diverse practices from what I formerly was It hath been a great mistake in us to think that we could not be more holy or soholy as we think we are or were without being so excessivly uncharitable towards others and so contrary to them in our Perswasions and Practices when as many of their Perswasions and Practices were better then ours and others of them more inoffensive I hope ye will excuse my writing thus largely unto you for it is in true Love and good will however you receive it and as I have said I do not expostulat with you for your injuring me for I have more injured you though not by any Immorality but by being instrumental to have in any wayes misinformed you I pray God forgive you and me I remain your truly wel-wishing Friend George Keith London 17th 2d Moneth 1700. To Andrew Jaffray John Robertson Alexander Gellie John Forbes Robert Gordon John Glennic And the rest of the Monthly Meeting of the people called Quakers at Aberdeen Something of weighty importance modestly proposed to your serious Consideration FRIENDS Forasmuch as there hath been and is some just cause given to apprehend that many among the People called Quakers have not a found Faith touching diverse great and weighty Doctrines and principles of the Christian Religion plainly delivered in the Holy Scriptures for both mine and others satisfaction and also for your own vindication if so be which I should be truly glade of and rejoice in that ye manifest your selves to be really innocent and clear of those gross Errors and Heresies which the chief English Teachers among the Quakers have been and are still charged guilty of and upon which account only I have in good Conscience been concerned to leave communion with them not finding that they have in the least as yet cleared themselves of the same which they can never well do without a publick and ingenuous retractation of those many unwarrantable and unsound passages in their Books You are therefore earnestly desired and requested to give your plain and candid Answer in writing to these following Queries Querie 1. Whether the Holy Scriptures containing the Old and New Testament called the BIBLE in their plain and literal meaning Or the Light within be the certain fixed and standing Rule whereby to judge and determine matters of contraversie as to Religion Here followers the Quakers Answer Ans We believe that the Holy Scriptures containing the Old and New Testament called the BIBLE as having come from the Spirit of GOD and being written by Men Divinly inspired which we most firmly Believe they were when they are opened and explained by the same Spirit of GOD which gave them forth they being of no private interpretation 2 Pet. 1. and 20. are an Infallible Rule of Faith and Life unto all to whom GOD hath in his Providence been pleased to communicat them for they being the things of GOD cannot be understood but by the Spirit of GOD 1 Cor. 2. 11. Remark This Answer to the 1 Q. being in all appearance sound and orthodox if they have no secret reserved meaning and agreeable to the sense of all sound Protestants I am heartily glade that they have deserted the unsound and hetrodox Doctrine that some of their principal Teachers both in Scotland and England have vouched in their writtings in relation to the Holy Scriptures being the Rule of Faith and therefore the Reader may be pleased to compare this their Answer with what Robert Barclay says tho I confess that he and G. K. were the soundest and m●st Orthodox Writters among the Quakers in See R. Rs. works pag. 299. his explanation of his 3d proposition among his Theses Theologicae The principal Rule saith he of Christians under the Gospel is not an outward Letter nor Law outwardly written and delivered but an Inward Spiritual Law ingraven in the heart the Law of the Spirit
Substance Power Glory and Eternity Or are they only three manifestations or operations and is there not some Incommunicable as well as Communicable Attributes belonging to the Persons of the Holy Trinity A. We believe according to the Scriptures that there are three that bare record in Heaven the FATHER the WORLD and the HOLY GHOST and these three are One 1 Joh. 5. 7. And we do not find our selves obliged to express our selves in other terms than the Wisdom of GOD saw meet to express that great mistery in the Holy Scriptures But we do believe that there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the said Holy three as is witnessed Joh. 1. 14. And the Word was made Flesh and dwelt among us which cannot be said of the other two R. In this Answer to the third Querie it is said there are incommunicable as well as communicable Attributes in the Holy three c. And yet G. Whitehead sayeth in his Truth defending the Quakers We deny the Popish terms pag. 2. of three distinct Persons which you call GOD the FATHER GOD the SON and GOD the HOLY GHOST which tends to the dividing GOD and to the making three GOD's and do not you Priests in your Divinity as you call it affirm that a Person is a Single Rational Compleat Substance and differing from another by an INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY and art thou so blind as to think that there is such a difference in the God head seing CHRIST is equal with his FATHER who is a SPIRIT then what INCOMMUNICABLE PROPERTY can he differ in from the FATHER that is not COMMUNICABLE to the one as well as the other And Geo Fox one of the greatest account among them in his disputing against C. Wade for saying that GOD the FATHER never took upon him Human Nature which sayeth he in his great mistery is contrary to the Scripture This was the Error of the Old Hereticks pag. 246. called Patripassians who held that GOD the FATHER was born of the Virgin suffered dyed c. Q. 4. Is not the promised Seed of the Woman that should bruise the Serpents Head Gen. 3. 15. The Man CHRIST JESUS that was born of the Virgin at Bethlehem in the Land of Iudea A. We Answer affirmatively it is he and he alone we never in the least doubted it what ever malice may suggest without the least ground R. This Answer may be compared with what W. P. sayes in express words in his Christian Quaker p. 97 98. One outward thing saithhe cannot be the propper figure of another nor is it the way of Holy Scripture so to teach the outward Lamb shews forth the inward Lamb. The SEED of the promise is an Holy and Spiritual Principle of Light Life and Power that being received into the Heart briuses the Serpents head and because the Seed which cannot be the Body viz. that was outwardly born of the Virgin is CHRIST as testify the Scriptures the Seed is one that Seed CHRIST and CHRIST GOD over all blessed for ever The Reader may see that it s not malice but that there is too much ground to suggest the Quakers unsoundness as to the foresaid Querie Q 5. That seed of Abraham to which the Promise was made that in him all the Nations of the Earth shall be blessed according to Gen. 22. 18. Gal. 3. 16 Was it not the Man CHRIST JESUS who according to the Flesh was the Son of Abraham and the Son of David Matt. 1. 1. A. We Answer affirmatively yea it was he and none else R. With this Orthodox Answer the Reader may compare what G. W. sayes in his Truth defending the Quakers it is Queried thus did Richard Hubberthorn will pag. 21. in writing that CHRISTS coming in the Flesh was but a Figure G. W. Answers could CHRIST have been said to have been transfigured if his coming in the Flesh had not been a Figure And in his Christian Quaker he positively denyes that CHRIST Consisted of visible Flesh and Bones pag. 139. 140. It is saith he both unscriptural and assurd to assert that JESUS CHRIST consisteth of a Human Body of Flesh and Bones how then can he be properly the Seed of Abraham and the Son of David I distinguish sayeth G. W. between considing and having CHRIST had visible Flesh and Bones but he did not consist of them as a Man hath a Coat or a Garment but he doth not consist of it Q. 6 Had not this Man a real Soul that was not the Godhead and a real Body also that was not the God-head A. We answer affirmatively yea he had both R. This Answer may be compared with what G. W. sayes in his Appendix to the Divinity of CHRIST aganist T. D. as to T. Ds telling us of the Son of GODs incarnation pag. 18. the creation of his Body and Soul the parts of that Nature he subsisted in note that Nature plainly denotes CHRIST's Manhood Nature that T. D. meant which had a created Body and Soul to this I say sayes G. W. if the Body and Soul of the Son of God were both created doth not this render him a fourth Person again where do the Scripture say that the Soul was created Q 7 Is not that outward Man who was born of the Virgin and suffered without the Gates of Jerusalem properly and truly the SON of GOD having no immediat FATHER but GOD. A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe he is so R. This Answer to the seventh Querie being in all appearance sound and orthodox and agreeable to the sense of all sound Protestants if they have no secret reserved meaning in this and their other orthodox Answers wherein they dissent from the unsound Doctrine of some of their chief Teachers and therefore the Reader may be pleased to compare this their Answer with what W. P. saves in his serious Apologie page 146. viz. But that the outward Person that suffered without the gates of Jerusalem was properly the SON of GOD we utterly deny Is not this a plain contradiction to what A. J. c asserts And also W. P. in his Rejoinder pag 304 305 Say's that outward Person that suffered at Jerusalem was CHRIST by a M●tonomy of the thing containing having the name of the thing contained Q. 8. Is not JESUS CHRIST both GOD and Man and yet but one CHRIST so that his Godhead is not his Manhood though the Nature of his Manhood is most highly and wonderfully united to his Godhead A. We Answer affirmatively and fully believe the same R This Answer to the eight Querie the Reader may compare it with what one of their Antient Teachers Christopher Atkinson sayes in his Book called the Sword of the Lord drawn pag. 5. Your imagined GOD beyond the Stars and your carnal CHRIST is utterly denyed To say this CHRIST is GOD and Man in one Person is a Lie and G. W. sayes in his Book called the Life and Light c. pag. 39. As for