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A41776 A dialogue between the Baptist and the Presbyterian Wherein the Presbyterians are punished by their own pens, for their cruel and soul-devouring doctrines, making God the ordainer of all the sins of men and devils: and reprobating the greatest part of mankind, without any help of salvation. Whereunto is annexed, a treatise of election, intituled, The order of causes: formerly published by an eminent servant of Christ, and now republished with some explication concerning free-will. By Thomas Grantham, messenger of the baptized churches in Lincolnshire. Grantham, Thomas, 1634-1692. 1691 (1691) Wing G1530; ESTC R216815 20,667 29

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Jona 3. 10. 2. Is it possible that you should call in question God's Seriousness with the Jews Psal 81 Are not these his words O that my People had hearkned unto me and Israel had walked in my Ways vers 13. See also vers 8. 9 10. and judg your self Surely if you or any Man else should speak thus to his Friends or Enemies either it would be great uncharitableness to think you were not serious and had an inward will for their happiness unless we knew you to be a Dissembler which temper cannot be found in God 3. That Christ was inwardly serious in his endeavours to gather Jerusalem appears by his Words and by his Tears which are such as may even break an Heart of Stone And sure I am God's Mind in sending Christ to them was to turn EVERY ONE OF THEM AWAY FROM THEIR INIQUITIES Act 3. ult 4. Now for the Pharisees they were part of the Jews to whom Christ was sent and in many things they were the best Sect of the Jewish People and God did by his Servant John seriously call them to Repentance yea his Counsel was of God Luk. 7. 29 30. Who never said to the House of Israel Seek ye me in vain And yet if he were not now serious but spake one thing and thought another yea determined and resolved another you will then make him say to them Seek ye me in vain But far be it from the Almighty that his Word should be Yea and Nay Sir It is because God is true that his Ministers may boldly assure poor Sinners that he wills not their Death but that they turn and live yea he hath sworn He hath no pleasure in the Death of the Wicked And hence I conclude against your dangerous Position that God is altogether serious even as Seriousness it self Tho. Grantham To this Letter the Doctor gave no Reply But a Friend of his sent me a small Paper of Verses as I suppose to pick some Quarrel with me about Free-Will And thus they speak IF Faith be not what can we then foresee Or how can we avoid it if it be If by Free-Will in our own Acts we move How are we bounded by Decrees above So whether we drive or whether we be driven If Ill it 's ours if Good the Act of Heaven To this captious piece of Poetry I made this short return OUR own Free-Will 'T is non-sense since 't is true Our own we are not Then our Will is due To him that made us and when we were lost Restor'd our Loss at his own proper Cost Free-Will's more talk'd of than well understood That Will 's not truly free that is not good God is no Author of the Will that 's Evil The Will that leads to Sin is of the Devil Decrees from Heaven restrain not farther Sin Much less does cause Sin For it did begin From Satan This God's Word does plainly shew Who charge't on Heaven's Decrees their Charge will rue Norwich whence came this Leaven into thee To fix thy Sin first upon God's Decree T. G. After this another nameless Poet assaults me but his Lines being so exceeding ridiculous it would but prophane the Muses to commit them to Posterity And because their chief Clamour was against my preaching that Christ died for all Men and for that cause calling me a false Teacher I resolved to try whether plain Scripture without my Commentary would pass for currant amongst our Reprobatarians wherefore I wrote as followeth To the Nameless and Nonsensical Poet. SIR YOur great Quarrel is because I teach this Doctrine That Christ died for all and not only for some Now thus saith the Lord We see Jesus made a little lower than the Angels for the suffering of Death that he by the Grace of God should taste Death Heb. 2. 9. for every Man He is a Propitiation for our Sins and not for ours only but 1 Joh. 2. 2. also for the Sins of the whole World He gave himself a Ransom for all 1 Tim. 2. 6. And if one died for all then were all dead And that he died 2 Cor. 5. 14 15. for all The Bread that I will give is my Flesh which I will give for the Joh. 6. 51. Life of the World God is the Saviour of all Men specially of them that believe 1 Tim. 4. 10. This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour who will have All Men to be saved and come to the knowledg of 1 Tim. 2. 3 4. the Truth Not willing that any should perish but that All should come to 2 Pet. 3. 9. Repentance And he commandeth All Men every where to repent Act. 17. 30. As by the Offence of One judgment came on all Men even so Rom. 5. 18. by the Righteousness of One the free Gift came upon All Men to justification of Life For as in Adam all die even so in Christ shall all be made alive 1 Cor. 15. 22. They that have done Good to the Resurrection of Life and they that have done Evil to the Resurrection of Damnation Joh. 5. 29. Denying the Lord that bought them and bring upon themselves 2 Pet. 2. 1. swift Destruction For God sent not his Son into the World to condemn the World John 3. 17 18. but that the World through him might be saved He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already because he hath not believed in the Name of the only begotten Son of God God will judg the Secrets of Men according to the Gospel Rom. 2. 16 Which hath been preached to every Creature under Heaven Col. 1. 23. He hath shewed thee O Man what is good Mich. 6. 8. The Lord is gracious and full of compassion flow to anger Ps 103. 8. and of great Mercy The Lord is good to all and his tender Mercies are over all his Ps 145. 9. Works By these Authorities I teach that Christ died for All. Now Sir shew me if you can where the Scripture tells us that Christ died BUT for some only and not for all For hitherto I have not met with any such Testimony in the Word of God And seeing you think Christ died but for some only shew me sufficient Testimony from the Scripture that he died for your self And name one if you can now living in this great City for whom Christ died not And when you have done these things well you may expect some further Account of your Paper Your abused Friend Tho. Grantham Finally To give you some Account of the Dialogue and Treatise ensuing For the first Being a great distance from my Study I could not have the help of my own Books The Collection therefore which I here give you I have taken from several Writers but chiefly from Mr. Tho. Pierce a Person of great Learning and Judgment 1. From his Correct Copy of Notes 2. His Divine Philanthropie