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opinions or according to the omnipotencie of God which although he can condemne some and can saue other some yet he onelie saueth those that vndoubtedlie beléeue the voice of his onelie Sonne Iesus and condemneth them that striue against him and withstand his diuine calling of them perseuering still in their blasphemies as the apostle saith Nolite errare non enim idololatrae 1. Cor. 6. moechi homicidae c. Be ye not deceiued for neither idolaters whooremongers mankillers neither theeues neither the couetous nor droonkards neither cursed speakers nor pillers and pollers shall inherit the kingdome of heauen And there is no sinne so great and horrible but that the death of Christ the onelie sonne of God is a sufficient price and redemption thereof As the holie apostle saith 1. Iohn 2. Ipse est propitiatio pro peccatis nostris He is the obteiner of mercie for our sinnes and not for our sins onelie but for all the sinnes that euer were or shall be doone in the whole world from the first Adam to the last man if we our selues lées● not the benefit of his passion death resurrection and ascension by our owne wilfull contempt and disobedience FALSIL. No man ought to praise himselfe Iohn 8. Christ praised himselfe when he said Which o● you can reprooue me of sinne Therefore Christ did not well VERIL. I answer vnto the maior by distinction No man ought to praise himselfe that is to wit for his owne righteousnesse or for his owne priuate vertues except it be for that euerie one ought to kéepe a good conscience before all men according to the saieng of the apostle Haec est gloriatio nostra testimonium conscientiae nostrae This is our reioising euen the testimonie of our conscience And S. Augustine saith Bona conscientia mihi opus est propter me ipsum sicilicet coram Deo bona fama propter proximum I haue need of a good conscience for my selfe that is before God I haue néed of a good name for my neighbour But the teacher of the congregation of God ought to boast of the truth and certeintie of his doctrine that he teacheth no foolish vanities nor is a false pro●het So Christ boasteth here of the truth and veritie of his doctrine saieng Quis arguet me de peccato Who can reprooue me of sinne Iohn 8. That is of errour in my doctrine or of anie false opinion Which thing when the Iewes could not doo yet notwithstanding they accused Christ without cause reprooued and persecuted his doctrine which is the verie voice and commandement of almightie God the heauenlie father FALSIL. I haue heard of Neuters in religion I praie you tell me what are they VERIL. Neuters are epicures scorners and contemners of the true religion and heauenlie doctrine and there are found too manie such now a daies which are of no religion and such force not whether there be anie seruing of God or no so that they may liue in iolitie and féed the humor of their lewd lusts and concupiscence Of whom Christ speaketh thus Luc. 11. Qui non est mecum contra me est He that is not with me is against me and he that dooth not gather with me scattereth abroad Contrariewise there be some that be weake which doo not scorne at religion but yet for feare they doo not professe the true doctrine but fall by frailtie and would happilie learne if they were better taught of whom the holie apostle speaketh thus Rom. 14. Infirmum in fide assumite Take him vnto you that is weake in faith that is to say helpe and aid him that he may increase further in faith Luc. 17. And the apostles themselues were fraile and weake before they had receiued the gift of the Holie-ghost wherefore they praied Domine adauge nobis fidem Lord increase our faith So likewise God receiued Darius to repentance Dan. 6. which cast awaie Daniel to be destroied of the lions bicause he knew not that Daniel was innocent and guiltlesse in the crime that was laid against him wherfore the kings sinne therein was committed by ignorance FALSIL. What is Christian religion and how manie parts be there of religion VERIL. Christian religion is the true worshipping of God and kéeping of his commandements There be foure parts thereof Obedience Parts of religion which the lawe of God commandeth faith which the gospell requireth praier and sacraments which Christ hath ordeined and left vnto his church there to be vsed vntill his second comming to iudgement FALSIL. I haue heard some to haue beene doubtfull of Christes descension into hell but tell me what thinke you thereof VERIL. I thinke it is lamentable that curious heads should spread such a schisme and put such errour into the minds of men simple and vnlettered And I beléeue that as Christ in his bodie descended into the bowels of the earth so his soule seuered from the bodie he descended into hell And after the same sort he kept his promise with the théefe vpon the crosse when he said Hodie mecum eris in paradiso To daie thou shalt be with me in paradise Although his bodie was committed to the graue yet was his soule his power and his Godhead in paradise wheresoeuer else it pleased himselfe to be Therfore there be some that affirme that he descended into hell thrée waies in power spirit and person In power when the vaile of the temple did rent Matth. 26. in spirit when he said Tristis est anima mea vsque ad mortem My soule is heauie euen to the death and in person when he was laid in the graue FALSIL. Christ saieth Iohn 8. If a man kéepe my saiengs he shall neuer sée death But no man dooth kéepe the word of Christ bicause it is impossible to satisfie the lawe of God through our corrupt nature Therefore no man dooeth liue by kéeping the word of Christ and by a consequent Christs promise is impossible absurd and vaine VERIL. I denie the minor bicause Christ speaketh héere not properlie of the lawe which requireth perfect obedience as it is said Qui facit legem Leuit. 18. Deut. 15. viuet in ea He that fulfilleth the law shall liue thereby but of the Gospell which is a frée promise of remission of our sinnes the gift of righteousnes and of eternall life in faith for Christ and by Christ the son of Go● our mediator and redéemer And they doo obserue the Gospell and kéepe the word of Christ which assent and agrée to the promise of God touching his mercie and doo begin a new obedience as Marie Magdalen Zachee the théefe vpon the gibbet Paule and such other truelie repentant did all which receiued forgiuenesse of their sinnes according to this promise of Christ and did not sée death that is they tasted not of the horrors of death though the remnant of sinne to wit naturall weakenesse did still hang vpon them whereby they fell sometime
commandement of dooing repentance is vniuersall and the promises therevnto annexed be likewise vniuersall and includeth all people as Venite ad me omnes Matt. 11. Esaie 53. Come vnto me all yee And againe Delicta omnium nostrum tulit He hath borne all our sinnes Thus haue the seruants of God alwaies wrestled with sin that the pricking thereof should not perse them to death Thus did the woman the Cananite which acknowledged hir selfe vnworthie of Christs benefits obteine grace and mercie by faith and constancie in hir inuocation and praier FALSIL. The diuell dooth miracles and strange works what difference therefore is there betweene true miracles and false VERIL. There is a three double difference The first is taken of the substance o● miracles bicause that the diuell truelie cannot imitate or followe the true miracles or the miracles of the church as to raise vp the dead to life againe to let the course of the sun to stop the course of flouds and to make the barren to beare children The second difference may be taken of the accident that is to wit in confirmation of false worshippings and false doctrine as the ●●racles which were doone among the gentils and papists were doone of the diuell for the confirmation of idolatrie and false worshipping as the inuocation and praier to the dead contrarie to the expresse word of God saieng Thou shalt haue none other gods but me Exod. 20. And this rule is alwaies immutablie to be obserued that we must beléeue no miracle doon contrarie to the expresse word of God Also Deut. 18. Thou shalt not enquire the truth of the dead The third difference is that the miracles in the church doo repell and cast out the diuell whether he will or no Luc. 11. as Christ did cast out the dum diuell and afterward the dum spake the people maruelled the like he did other times also FALSIL. Can the holie and elect people of God fall and léese the Holie-ghost their faith 〈◊〉 grace of God and be damned VERIL. No they cannot for our sauiour Christ hath said Matth. 24. Except those daies of trouble should be shortened no flesh that is no man should be saued but for the sake of the elected those daies shal be shortned And againe False christs and false prophets shall arise and shall giue great signes and wonders insomuch that if it were possible the verie elect should be brought into error By these words it appeareth manifestlie that God in mercifull prouidence will shorten the daies of trouble that shall be towards the end of the world bicause his elected and holie people may not thereby be brought to euerlasting destruction and that it is not possible for them to be so brought into error by false christs and false prophets that they should by error be brought into euerlasting damnation 1. Cor. 10. And S. Paule hath written thus to the Corinthians God is faithfull and will not suffer you to be tempted aboue your power but euen in the midst of the temptation he will make a waie that you may be able to beare it Rom. 8. And againe to the Romans Who will laie any thing to the charge of Gods elect 2. Tim. 2. And againe to Timothie The firme foundation of God standeth stedfastlie hauing this seale God knoweth who be his But least this doctrine should encourage any man to lead a carelesse life the apostle saith in the next sentence Let euerie one that calleth vpon the name of the Lord depart from iniquitie And to the Romans There is no condemnation to them that be in Christ Iesus which walke not after the flesh Eph. 4. And to the Ephesians the apostle saith Gréeue not the holie spirit of GOD in whom you are sealed against the daie of redemption Our care is to liue without sinne according to the exhortation of th'apostle Iohn 1. Ioh. 2. My little babes I write these words to you that you should not sinne but if any man doo sin we haue an aduocate with the father euen Iesus Christ the righteous and he is the propitiation for our sins Gods elected doo sinne as the wise man saith verie often but they rise againe by repentance Prou. 24. The righteous person saith he falleth seuen times and riseth againe but the vngodly fall downe headlong into mischiefe FALSIL. The elect people are alwaies beloued of God therefore they cannot fall VERIL. The elect people are indéed beloued of God and so beloued that nothing can separate them from his loue Rom. 8. As the apostle writeth I am sure that neither death neither life neither angels neither principalities neither powers neither things present nor things to come neither fortitude neither higth neither depth neither any other creature can separate vs from the loue of God which is in Christ Iesus our Lord. But yet they may and doo fall ●s Salomon saith Prou. 24. and being downe they rise againe being lifted vp by that louing Father from whose loue their often and horrible falles cannot separate them For so God loued the world that is Iohn 3. his elect in the world that he gaue his onlie begotten son that all that beleeue in him shuld not perish but haue euerlasting life FALSIL. Tell me what is blasphemie and whether the sinne therof be remissible and pardonable or no VERIL. Blasphemare est maledicere ac malè precari al●js per nomen seu inuocationem Dei Blasphemie is a sinne against the Holie-ghost a curssing and reproching commonlie referred vnto the despite of GOD when one knowing and willinglie would adnihilate and make void the power of God and withstand the truth that a man knoweth as the Phariseis reuiled reiected Christ oppugning the truth manifested vnto them by the testimonies of God and attributed the works of Christ to the diuell Matth. 12. Marc. 3. Luc. 11. Exod. 10. and to take vpon him aboue the might of God as Pharao Senacherib and Holophernes did And touching pardon thereof I answer by distinction that they are forgiuen which sinne therein by ignorance and afterward truelie repent them thereof as S. Paule did 1. Tim. 1. which saieth that he was a blasphemer but yet he receiued mercy forgiuenes of his sinne bicause he persecuted the congregation of GOD ignorantlie And this is a generall rule euer inuiolablie to be obserued Venite ad me omnes qui laboratis Matth. 11. Come vnto me all ye that are heauie laden with the burthen of sinne c Vius ego dicit Dominus Eze. 18.33 1. Tim. 2. Rom. 5. As sure as I liue saith the Lord I will not haue the death of a sinner but rather that he should conuert and liue And that God would haue all men to be saued Againe Gratia exuberat super delictum Grace is more aboundant than sinne We must déeme of the will of God according to these saiengs of scripture and promises and not after our owne