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A47851 Dissenters sayings the second part : published in their own words, for the information of the people : and dedicated to the Grand-jury of London, August 29, 1681 / by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1681 (1681) Wing L1245; ESTC R2228 59,550 94

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you Who Oppresses you Where is the least shew of Oppression or Cause of Complaint Minister'd to you except it be because you are not suffer'd to oppress your Brethren Can you feed upon nothing but Bloud yea the Bloud of your Brethren that though you have every thing else you so complain of sorrow and Oppression Is this your sorrow and Oppression that you cannot Oppress Pulpit-Incendiary 1648. P. 45. P. 3 Our Sectaries in their Sermons Prayers Pamphlets Discourses Petitions all cry out of Persecution and accuse the Orthodox Presbyterians of Persecution yea when for their Seditious Tumultuous Libellous Scoffing Wicked Lying Scandalous Reports Books and Practices they have been Questioned there 's nothing in their Mouths but Persecution and of Unheard-of Prosecution of the Godly I am of the mind if any of them should come to be Imprison'd and Hang'd for Stealing Killing a Godly Presbyterian Plotting against the Parliament and City in seizing upon their Forts or some Parliament-men One or other of them would cry out of Persecution Edwards Gang. P. 37. I. 4 The way Sirnamed Presbyterian conjures all mens Gifts Parts and Industry into a Synodical Circle and suffers them only to Dance there Jo. Goodwins Theomachia P. 33. P. 5 Independents are Beasts Grolls Puffoists Wild-Geese a Company of Juglers sticklers against Parliament and Presbytery a Generation of cunning Deceivers and Fighters against God Violaters of all the Laws of God and Nature the most dangerous Sect that ever yet the world Produc'd a Company of Rats among Joyn'd-stools Despisers of Magistracy a Generation of men not worthy to give guts to a Bear Moon-Calves All the Independents put together have not so much learning as one of a thousand other Ministers A Wheel-Barrow such as they trundle white-wine Vinegar on fitter for them then a Coach Bastwick Cited by Burton in his Brief answer P. 28. I. 6 That Reformation which is forward Rough Peremptory Impatient Imperious and will gather where it hath not strewed and reap where it hath not sow'd exact Obedience and Subjection from those to whom it hath not Effectually taught or Perswaded Obedience and Subjection nor ever gave any tolerable account unto truly Conscientious and Considering and Disinteressed men of any worthyness in it why it should be submitted unto and cannot be Iudg'd a Reformation according to the word of God Jo. Goodwins 12 Cautions P. 5. P. 7 The Independents are Railers Revilers Slanderers Covenant-Breakers with God and man Ordinary Lyers Notorious Calumniators and False accusers such as in holy Scripture are call'd Diaboli Devils Heretiques open Seducers and Causers of Division and Offences contrary unto the Doctrine of Christ such as all Christians have a special Command to take heed of and to shun and are prohibited to receive into their Houses or bid God speed or so much as to eat with they are no Visible Saints nor Good Daemons and therefore no True Form'd Churches nor to be Communicated with in Holy things Burton Cited by Bastwick Independency not Gods Ordinance P. 310. I. 8 Mr. John Goodwin says in his Theomachia That the presbyterian is a Bloudy Unpeaceable and Persecuting way a way much Damping and Deading the Flourishing Improvements of the Gifts and Graces of the Saints Picture of Independency P. 12. P. 9 Independency a Seminary of Schisms and Dangerous Divisions in Church and State A Floud-Gate to let in an Inundation of Heresyes Errots Sects Libertinism and Lawlessness without means of Suppressing them when Introduc'd Prinn Cited by Burton Vindication of Independency P. 40 41. Pharisaical Spiritual Pride Vain-Glory Singularity Self-conceitedness of Superlative Holiness Ib. 43. I. 10 If Ephraim be against Manasseh is it any ways like but Manasseh will be against Ephraim And God himself Prophecying of Ishmael told his mother that he would be a wild man and that his hand should be against every man and Every mans hand against him Undoubtedly that way whose hand shall be against every way will find that the hand of every way will be against it and then what manner of Peace can reasonably be expected under the Predominancy of such a way Goodwins Theomachia P. 30. P. 11 The Independents have now the sword in their hands and they think their party strong enough to Encounter any adverse and Opposing Party and they Profess they care not how soon they come to cutting of throats and speak of nothing but the slaughtering and butchering of the Presbyterians Bastwicks Postcript to Burton I. 12 At the beginning of this Parliament the whole Kingdom sided with Both Houses in the Vindication of their Liberties and so it continued untill such as did overmuch Idolize Presbytery prevail'd for a Bill to Damn Episcopacy Root and Branch that Presbitery might succeed it with it 's Fascibus and Fustibus with its Pontificalibus and Synodalibus nothing to be ahated which concern'd either Wealth or Iurisdiction only an Episcopall Tyranny to be Exchanged for a Presbyteriall Slavery Answer to Prinnes 12. Queryes P. 19. P. 13 With what Faces and Consciences can ye think to Obtrude your Independent ways and Fancies upon us c. Picture of Independency Licensed by Cranford 1645. I. 14 As the Bishops would call men Puritans and Non-Conformists and so Persecute them so will the Presbytery call men Schismaticks Heretiques Antinomians Separatists and do the like Jo. Goodwins Answer to Mr. Prinns Full Reply P. 15. P. 15 The Assembly of C●…renton judging the Sect of Independents to be not only Prejudicial to the Church of God in so far that it endeavours to bring in Confusion opening a Gate to all kinds of Singularities and Extravagancies and taking away all means of any remedy to the Evil but also most Dangerous to the State where if it had place there might be as many Religions set up as there be Parishes or particular Congregations doth enjoyn to all the Provinces and particularly to the Maritimes to take heed that the Evil takes no foot in the Churches of this Kingdom to the end that Peace and Uniformity as well in Religion as in DISCIPLINE may be Inviolably Preserv'd and that nothing be brought in amongst us which may alter in any kind the Service due unto their Majesties An Extract of the Act. Dec. 26. 1644. I. 16 The Spirit of the Ten-horned Beast Rev. 17. is now making war with the Lamb which is likely to be his last War Babylons fall following in the next Chap. and this Spirit warreth under new Colours not red but white whose word is Reformation and this under a Fair Colour of a Covenant by Virtue whereof pretending a just Title to the War he hopes by the help of the Remonstrance and the Prime Authors thereof and their Adherents to enact a New Bestiall Tyranny over Souls Bodies and Estates under new Names and Notions Burton's Conformities Deformity Ep. Ded. P. 17 The Independents worse then Diotrephes or the Pope most Diabolicall Tyranny Lording it over Gods Clergies Fellows of Goatham College not knowing their