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true_a prophet_n or_o he_o be_v not_o pro._n he_o be_v pa._n if_o he_o be_v how_o then_o can_v the_o gate_n of_o hell_n prevail_v against_o the_o church_n see_v he_o prophesy_v in_o st._n matt._n 16._o 18._o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o she_o pro._n the_o gate_n of_o hell_n can_v prevail_v against_o the_o church_n nor_o never_o shall_v that_o be_v they_o shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o against_o any_o particular_a church_n as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n they_o may_v and_o have_v prevail_v but_o here_o as_o in_o the_o rest_n of_o your_o query_n you_o beg_v the_o question_n suppose_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n to_o be_v the_o only_a church_n of_o christ._n pa._n 44._o the_o holy_a ghost_n suggest_v all_o truth_n to_o the_o church_n or_o it_o do_v not_o pro._n it_o do_v pa._n if_o it_o do_v than_o it_o will_v suggest_v no_o error_n pro._n it_o will_v not_o but_o that_o do_v not_o hinder_v but_o it_o may_v permit_v satan_n to_o 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