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A01712 A catechisme conteining the summe of Christian religion, giuing a most excellent light to all those that seek to enter the path-way to saluation: Newlie set foorth by G.G. Preacher of Gods word at Malden in Essex Gifford, George, d. 1620. 1583 (1583) STC 11848; ESTC S114965 69,171 182

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with the spyrit were also burthened with infirmities and sinnes A. I coulde shewe that at large by many examples but one testimonie of the Apostle is sufficient where he saieth to the godlye that the fleshe lusteth against the spirite and the spirite against the fleshe so that yee cannot doe the thinges whiche yee would x. Gala. 5.17 Q. What followeth next A. The fourth parte of the Articles of our faith yet remaineth the holy Catholike Church the Communion of Saints c. Q. What is it which yee call the Church A. The whole company of those whō God hath chosen vnto life euerlasting Q. Wherfore doe yee call it the holy Church A. Beecause euery member of it is holy being sanctified by the holy Ghost for whosoeuer hath not the spirite of Christe is none of Christs y. Rom. 8.9 Q. Doe yee affyrme that such men as be vngodly and wicked be not of the Church A. Whosoeuer they be which holde that although men liue an vnholye and an vncleane life yet they be Christians and of the Church they denye this article in this poynt that wee beleeue the Church is holye For if a couetous man a drunkard and an adulterer or one that liueth in any such vice shal affirme that he is of the church thē he must say that he beleeueth the vnholy church Q. In what respect do yee call the Church Catholike A. In that it is vniuersall for Catholike is that whiche goeth through out the hole Q. Hath it respect vnto time or place A. It respecteth both for the Churche hath beene alwaye in the woorlde from the beginning and shal be to end and in all places of the world while it pleaseth God to call any Q. Then that is not the Catholike Church which is but in some countries and at some time A. It is but a company of Heretikes and Schismatikes how many soeuer they be or how long soeuer they continue For those whiche bee of the Catholike Church are suche as are coupled vnto that Mother Church which hath beene from the beeginning Q. What say yee to the Church of Rome which doth chalenge this title to bee called the Catholike Church A. They doe falsly vsurpe the name both beecause theyr fayth is newe and such as Moses and the Prophetes neuer did knowe For they cannot shewe that the holye Patriarches Abraham and the reste did beleeue as they doe They teache doctrine quite contrary to Christ and his Apostles and also because many nations of the world where the Ghospell hath bin taught haue neuer acknowledged their Pope nor obeyed their doctrine Therfore it doth follow that seeing they be thus departed from the true Church they be but a swarm of waspes and a rout of Heretikes Q. By what reasons can ye shewe that wee bee of the true Catholyque Church For they call vs Heretiques A. Wee hold that doctrine and faith which is moste auncient and olde taught by Moses and the Prophetes and also by the Apostles we beleeue it in euery poynt and none other and therfore being ioyned with them in the vnitie of fayth we be also of the same body that they be and therefore of the Catholike Church Q. Yee saye that the Church is Catholike beecause it hath beene at all tymes in the woorlde although at some time in small number as in the dayes of Noah then it followeth that those bee not of the Catholike Churche of whom it may be sayde that there was a tyme when theyr Churche was not in the world A. That is out of controuersie that there hath neuer beene so much as one day in the which the true Church hath not beene in the world although at many times in very small number Q. The Papistes doe demaunde where our Churche was an hundred yeeres a-gone and so for the space of fiue or sixe hundred yeeres before A. At suche time as the Man of sinne was exalted and did sitte in the Temple of God z 2. The. 2.3 and all kinredes and people and tongues did wonder and worship the beast a. Reue. 13.8 then the woman persecuted by the Dragon which is the Church was driuen into the wildernesse and was secrete but yet not altogether destroyed For the remnaunt of her seede which had the testimonie of Iesus were persecuted b. Reuel 12. This therefore I answere that our Church which is the true Catholike Church did lye as it were buryed and hidde in the Papacy euen as a fewe wheate Corns in a great heape of Chaffe Yet some of them did euer appeare and were persecuted by the Beast and the Dragon Q. What proofe haue ye of the word to confirme al this A. Euen those places which I haue already recited Antichriste should sit in the Temple of GOD and there beare suche rule that he should boast himself to be God by taking that power and authoritie which doth belong onely to God yet it remaineth stil the temple of God which could not bee vnlesse the Church were there still Q. Yea but you must shew that the Catholike Church shoulde at anye tyme be without a visible gouernment A. The place cited doth most playnelye prooue it for the woman driuen into the desarte and yet her seede remaininge doeth shewe that the outwarde face of the Churche was gone while the glorious trimme whoore was gotte into her place And yet shee coulde not bee destroyed for the remnaunt of her seede coulde neuer bee rooted out Q. Howe doe yee vnderstande the next woordes the Communion of Saintes A. This clause is added as a declaratiō of the other in this wise I beleeue there is an holy Catholike Church which is the Communion of Saints Q. In what sense is the Church called a Communion A. As there is one head Iesus Christ so are al the faithful knit together by one spirite and made one body in him This is the cause that there is such a Communion and fellowshippe amonge them one with an other as there is betweene the members of the natural body Q. What is the effecte of this Communion or fellowship A. The entire loue and sincere affection which they beare one towardes an other euen as the members of the same body And out of this also doth spring the making common of all good thinges which they haue and the care to defend each other For looke what good thing any member of the bodye hath it doth willingly imploy it to the benefit of all the rest and the loue is suche that euery member doth cheerfully apply it self to relieue the rest and no one of them doth hurt or seeeke to destroy an other Euen so is it in this Communion of Saintes which are al the members of one body c. Cor. 12.12 14. Q. Do ye meane that no one doth possesse any thing by himselfe but the possession in commune when yee saye they make all good thinges common among them A. That were absurde the possession is priuate the vse