infidelity But S. Paul doth exhort vs to doubt of our saluatioÌ„ which we are bound to beleeue by faith according to the Protestants religion ergo S. Paul exhorteth vs to infidelity The Maior is plaine for to doubt of matters in faith is manifest infidelity because whosoeuer doubteth whether God hath reuealed that which indeed be hath reuealed being sufficiently proposed as reuealed vertually doubteth whether God saith truth or lieth The Minor is proued by the testimonie of S. Paul Cum timore tremore salutem vestram operamini with feare and trembling worke your saluation All feare whether it be filiall feare or seruile feare inculdeth doubt the one of sinne the other of punishment Answere AS it is false that wee neither know what wee beleeue nor why wee beleeue as hath beene before sufficientlie shewed so is it no lesse false which is here boldlie affirmed but faintly prooued That wee haue no meanes in our Church to settle vs in vnitie of beleefe to determine controuersies and to abolish Heresies Wee haue the word of GOD which we acknowledge to be the onely touchstone of truth concerning religion and saluation We haue learned and Godly Bishops and Pastors to teach the truth of Gods word to confute both by preaching and writing errors and heresies And we haue Synodes although not generall yet prouinciall wherein controuersies may be decided and Heresies condemned as heretofore the truth hath beene maintained and Heresies confuted and confounded in some prouinciall Councels as that called Gangrense and some other Africane Councels as wel as they haue beene in some generall I would faine know of you what other and better meanes the Church of God had for the space of three hundred yeeres after Christs incarnation then these to determine controuersies and abolish Heresies Generall Councels they had not before Constantines time which Pigh 6. de eccle Hierarch cap. â— Bellarm. tom 1 contro 4. lib. 2 cap. 13. Aeâ—cas Siluius epist 28. pag. 802. therefore your fellow Papist Pighius counteth to haue beene an inuention of his but your great Rabbin Rob. Bellarmine therein controlleth him and saith it is false So well these men bee setled in vnitie of beleefe And to your great Maister of Rome whom you now would make the Oracle of the world there was before that time but small respect and regard had as your own Pope Pius 2. in these words confesseth Ante Concilium Nicenum sibi quisque viuebat ad Romanam Ecclesiam paruus habebatur respectus i. Before the Councel of Nice euery one liued to himselfe and there was small regard had to the Church of Rome Shew vs therefore what meanes the Churches of God then had for maintenance of vnity of faith which we want You say that Christ willed vs to heare his Church if we Matth. 18. 17. Bellar. contro 1. lib. 3. cap. 5 would not be accounted for Ethnicks and Publicanes The which place your said Rob. Bellarmine Reader full wisely alleageth to proue the Pope and his Councel to be the supreme Iudge of controuersies As though our Sauiour Christ there spake of deciding of controuersies in doctrine or of expounding the Scriptures or by the Church meant the Pope and his councell and that euery man against whom his brother trespasseth must goe to the Pope and his councell to make his complaint These bee vanities and follies which nullo impellente ruunt and neede no confutation You further alleage out of Ioh. 14. 17. that Christ promised vnto the church the assistance of the holy Ghost where by the church you meane the Pope and his councell as your Maister Bellarmine hath taught you who writeth thus Sed hic in genere dicimus iudiceÌ„ veri sensus Idem ibid. ca. â— Scripturae omnium controuersiarum esse ecclesiam id est Pontificem cum concilio in quo omnes Catholici conueniunt Wee generally say that the church is the iudge of the true sense of the Scripture and of all controuersies that is to say The Pope with the councell wherein all Catholikes doe assemble or rather dissemble together But our Sauiour Christ made this promise to his disciples saying I will pray the Father and hee shall giue you another Ioh 14 16 17 comforter that hee may abide with you for euer euen the spirit of truth whome the world cannot receiue because it seeth him not neither knoweth him but ye know him for he dwelleth with you and shall be in you This promise pertaineth not to all the successors of the Apostles but to all them that truly feare God and beleeue and obey the holy doctrine which Christ deliuered to his Disciples and which they preached the which when you shall soundly proue that your Popes councels do then we will grant that this promise of Christ belongeth to them In the meane time wee will follow Chrysostomes good counsell Si videris aliquem Euangelica Chrysost Hom. dâ— Sâ—ncâ—o adorando spiritu repetentem profecto spiritum sanctum habet Veniet enim spiritus sanctus vt recordari vos faciat eorum quae docui Si quis igitur eorum qui dicuntur habere spiritum sanctum dicat aliquid à seipso non ex Euangelijs non credité meam doctrinam sequimini If thou see any man speaking out of the Gospell surely he hath the holy Ghost For the holy Ghost shal come to put you in remembrance of those things which I haue taught you If therefore any of them which are said to haue the holy Ghost doe speake any thing of himselfe not out of the Gospell beleeue him not but follow my doctrine Whereas you say that you beleeue certainely that the church cannot erre that the generall councels cannot deliuer false doctrine c. I answere that you foolishly begge that which is in question For as wee acknowledge councels assembled of Godlie learned and modest men which simply seeke the glorie of God and the profit of his Church are good meanes to suppresse errors and heresies and to abolish abuses and enormities so to affirme that generall Councells cannot erre or deliuer false doctrine is most false absurd as by many both reasons and examples might bee proued But for shortnes sake I will touch but a few examples The councell of foure hundred Priests of Israel erred and Satan was a false spirit in the â—outh of them all to the 1. King 22. 6. 8 22. Matth 26. 3. 65. 66. Act. 4. 5. 18. destruction of Achab that cursed king of Israel The councell of the Priests of Iuda erred in coÌ„demning Iesus Christ to death The councell of the high Priest and other Priests Rulers Elders and Scribes erred in forbidding Christs disciples to speake or teach in the name of Iesus The councel of Neocaesarea erred in iudging hardly falsly of second marriages which Gods word alloweth Rom Concil Neoca sar Can. 7. 7. 3. 1. Cor. 7. 39. the words of the councell be these
of it did earnestly desire to haue it I haue now passed it as at the first I did write it without addition or alteration This I confesse that thou good Reader mayst reade these things namely those of Aerius Vigilantius c. obiected to vs more learnedly and largely answered by others especially by that reuerend and learned man M. D. Abbot in his learned answere to D. Bishops Epistle Notwithstanding if this my simple labour herein bestowed may serue in some measure to the confirmation of the truth and confutation of errour to the instruction and edification of the faithfull that reade and receiue it and if not to reclaime the seduced yet to be a testimonie and witnesse against them that will be more ready to reiect it then to reade and examine it I know that God shall thereby be glorified and his Church profited the which is the onely thing I seeke and desire Aprill 22. 1608. Thine in Iesus Christ ED. BRILKLEY I receiued of a good Christian Gentlewoman the 14. of Iune 1592. a paper containing three questions with other things hereafter following the title of which writing was set downe in these words Three questions moued to M. Goodman a Preacher in Westchester by a Catholique Gentlewoman to the which hee could giue no answere THis title seemeth partly to containe an vntruth and partly to shew a proud and arrogant spirit Whether this be not an vntruth or in plaine words a Lye that M. Goodman so auncient and learned a man who aboue fortie yeares past was publique professour and reader of Diuinitie in the Vniuersitie of Oxford and since hath beene a continuall and painfull Preacher could not answere these friuolous and fond questions let the indifferent Reader iudge And whether this proceedeth not of a proud spirit that this Catholike gentlewoman as she is termed should propound such pithie and profound questions that M. Goodman could not answere them let the reader vprightly consider But this is the manner of all these counterfait Catholiques to despiseâ—â— as vnlearned and to thinke highly of themselues and then fauourers But let such take heede that the saying of the Prophet take not holde on them Woe be to them which are voise in their Esay 5. 21. owne eyes and prudent in their owne sight I would with Salomon exhort this Gentlewoman not to be vvise in her Prou. 3. 7. owne eyes but to feare God and to depart from euills and rather humbly to submit her selfe to learne of M. Goodman then proudly to think that she is able to propound such questions in Diuinitie as he is not able to answere Now whereas this Gentlewoman is called a Catholique a title which the enemies of Gods truth whom for distinction sake wee call Papists doe falsly arrogate to themselues and vainely bragge of let vs a little consider how truly or falsly they take this title vpon them That godly father S. Chrysostome hath a good saying Satis sufficere credimus Homil. de Adam Euae quicquid secùndum praedictat regulas Apostolica scripta nos docuerunt vt prorsus non opinemur Catholicum quod apparuerit praefixis sentent ijs contrarium i. Wee beleeue to be sufficient whatsoeuer the vvritings of the Apostles haue taught vs according to the aforesaid rules so that vvee doe not at all thinke that to be Catholique vvhich shall appeare to be contrarie to the foresaid sentences Chrysostome here sheweth vs that the Apostles writings doe sufficiently teach vs Gods truth and that that is not to be called or counted Catholique which doth appeare to be contrarie to those Apostolicall writings Now if wee can plamely prooue that sundry points of doctrine which these Catholiques doe Falsly so called hold be contrarie to the writings of the Apostles as their 1. Cor 14. Rom. 10 14. 1. Tim. 2. 5. prayers in a strange vnknowne tongue their prayers to Saints their making of other Mediators Intercessours besides Iesus Christ their mangling of Christs holy supper in taking away the cup from Gods people their offering of Iesus Christ for a propitiatorie sacrifice for the sinnes of the quicke and the dead their Images their Pilgrimages their Popes supremacie sundry such others then neither is their doctrine Catholique nor they true Catholiques Vincentius Lyrinensis an Author greatly esteemed of these men and not misliked of mee writeth thus In ipsa etiam Catholica Ecclesia magnopere curandum Vincen. Lyrinen aduersus prosu omn. Haeresion Nouati est vt id teneamus quod vbique quod semper quod ad omnibus creditum est hoc est etenâ—m verè proprteque Catholicum quod ipsa vis nominis ratioque declarat i. Also in the Catholique Church it selfe vvee ought to be carefull that vvee holde that vvhith hath beene beleeued in all places in all times and of all persons for that is truly and properly Catholique vvhich the force and reason of the name doth declare Now if these called Catholiques can proue that their Romish doctrine hath euery where in all ages of all persons been beleeued then we will grant it to be Catholike and them to be Catholiques But this they shall neuer be able to doe for as it is most certaine that the primitiue Church neuer taught nor beleeued the doctrine now taught in the Romish Church so the Greeke Church the Muscouites the Christians in Aethiopia Aâ—menia and other countries where Christianitie hath continued haue neither submitted themselues to the Church of Rome nor haue beleeued and accepted all the doctrine therein professed In the Councell called Agathense it was thus decreed Concil Agathen Canon 18. distinct 2 cap. Secula and is also recorded in the Popes decrees Seculares qui in narali Domini Pasche Peutecoste non communicauerint Catholici non credantur nec inter Catholicos habeantur i. Those secular on vvorldly men vvhich communicate not al the feast of the Natiuitie of Christ at Easter and Whitsontide let them not be beleeued to be Catholiques nor counted to be among Catholiques By the which this Gentlewoman and many other her fauourers will be prooued to be no Catholiques But to conclude this point those which beleeue and obey the true doctrine of almightie God contained in the holy canonicall Scriptures be true and sincere Catholiques and those which maintaine false and damnable doctrine not agreeable to the same bee indeede Heritiques And whether they or wee doe holde the saide true doctrine of God let euery one that hath care of his owne saluation carefully seeke and wisely in the feare of God consider and let them not be caried away with naked names and bare titles wherewith the enemies of Gods truth haue in all ages seduced the simple There were in the time of our Sauiour Christ a sect and sort of men which held that there was no resurrection Act. 23. 8. of the dead neither Angell nor spirit and yet these Monsters had got them a glorious title and
and beleeued of which to giue fol. 251. the reader a taste I will set downe two or three It is there sayd that Iohn Damescene hauing his hand cut off for writing letters against the Emperour the same was suddenly set on againe to write a praier which he had made to fol. 254. the Virgine Marie Also that a theefe which vsed to fast the vigiles of the feastes of our Ladie and vsed to pray vnto her beeing hanged by the space of three daies could not die for the Virgine Marie susteined him on the gibet infinite such other fables swarme in that booke And wee may wonder that men of any wisedome knowledge or iudgement should bee deluded and mocked with such false fained reliques as were and are in Popery as with Saint Peters finger at Walfingham as bigge as if it Erasmus in Colloquio peregriergo Blondus de Roma instaurata lib. 3. prope sinem Holingshead in Henry 8. p. 946 Caluinus admonitione de reliquijs had beene of some Giant and also the virgin Maries milke there which seemeth by Erasmus to haue beene the white of an egge and chalke mingled together and a vessell of the same at Rome as writeth Blondus the bloud of Hales the which was prooued and declared at Paules Crosse by the Bishop of Rochester in king Henry the eights daies to haue beene clarified honey coloured with saffron In Geneua there was worshipped for the arme of Saint Anthonie that which afterward was prooued to bee the pisle of a Stagge for a peece of Saint Peters scull that which was found to bee a pumish stone But this will not bee beleeued of this writer and of his fellowes because Caluin did write it But why Caluin should write and publish euen in the French tongue in Geneua such a thing of Geneua vnlesse it were true which the Inhabitants thereof might know to bee false I see no reason it could purchase no credit to him or to his doctrine But why might not that as well bee true as the things before alleaged or as that which Gregorius Turonensis who liued sundry hundreth yeares past writeth Gregâ—â— Turoâ—ens lib. 9. ca. 6 that there was found in a boxe of reliques of a certaine Sainct rootes of trees the teeth of a Mole the bones of Mice and the clawes of Beares which were worshipt for holie reliques But of these iuglings I will write no more at this present GOD may giue occasion hereafter more largely to intreate of them At these things we may wonder but yet wee doe not ouermuch meruaile and wonder at them for that the spirit of GOD by Saint Paule hath foreshewed vs that the time would come when men shold 2. Timoth. 4. 4 turne away their eares from the truth and bee giuen to fables and that the comming of Antichrist should bee by 2. Thessal 2. 9. the effectuall working of sathan with all powre and signes and lying wonders and in all deceiueablenesse of vnrighteousnes amongst them that perish because they receiued not the loue of the truth that they might bee saued therefore GOD should send them a strong delusion to beleeue lies that all they might bee damned which beleeued not the truth but had pleasure in vnrighteousnes Whereas you request that hee that shall answere this your pamphlet will doe it briefely orderly and seriously I will indeuor to doe the two last as GOD shall inable me But concerning breuitie I will vse my libertie and peraduenture more largely lay downe your absurdities then you would bee willing I should doe But whereas you say that you make this request for that you perceiue that the Protestants cannot answere with breuitie because their Religion lacketh both certaintie and perspicuitie I say that with one breath you doe vtter two vntruthes The first that wee cannot answere with breuitie which how vntrue it is let it be tried first by the briefe and pithy answeres of that great learned man Doctor Fulke who answering many of their bookes which yet to this day stand vndefended how briefely and pithily hee answered the same let any man that hath but a graine of indifferent iudgement consider and iudge And particularlie I referre them to his answere to Rishtons challenge and to Allens booke of Purgatorie both in one volume yea many times in his writings hee called them from long and impertinent discourses to short syllogismes wherevnto â—ee could neuer bring them How closely that pretious Iewell and excellent ornament of this Church of England did hold himselfe to the matter and how vnlike hee was to Doctor Harding in his long discourses and digressions who in his booke intituled A detection of lies c. discoursed two hundred and sixe whole sides of paper onely in preambles and prefaces before hee once stept into his matter as Maister Iewel truely told him let the vpright Preface to the defence of the Apology edition 2. reader indifferently iudge The like I may say of that worthie man of famous memorie Doctor Whitakers who how briefely soundlie and learnedlie hee hath answered Campion Saunders Duree Stapleton William Reynolds Bellarmine any man that hath an incorrupt eye may see and discerne And if T. W. bee the author of this pamphlet as I nothing doubt but hee is he may remember that one which had conference with him did write a briefe Epistle vnto him and did therein set downe short sillogismes concerning the controuersies of praier to Saints and the sacrifice of the Masse and required to haue the like short syllogismes set downe of him for the defence of his assertions and could not receiue one but along tedious discourse concerning praier to Saints which was confuted and neuer defended But whether answeres be briefe or long it maketh no matter so that they be learned sound and true to the effectuall confuting of the errour and satisfying of the reader Now as touching certaintie which you say but doe not shew that our Religion lacketh I answere and auouch that our Religion is farre more certaine consonant and agreeable to it selfe then the doctrine of the Church of Rome is the which if I do not effectually proue hereafter in place more conuenient I will not require any man to vse your owne words to accept or affect it But with what forehead can this man charge our doctrine with want of perspicuitie seeing hee cannot bee ignorant how obscure darke and intricate the popish Religion and doctrine is as may appeere by their manifold both curious questions and intricate distinctions which be their chiefe shifts to elude the plaine truth And if any would see how darke the doctrine and writings of Papists are let him looke into the Schoolemen Tho. Aquine Io Scotus Alexander de Hales Gabriel Biel and many such other amongst whom he may finde as much certaintie vnitie and perspicuitie of doctrine as hee may in hell But how we study for perspicuitie and seeke to make all matters plaine both in our preachings and
hundred yeares last past it hath beene in which that Apostasie from the faith is come which Saint Paule by the spirit of God foreshewed 2. Thes 2. 3. 1. Tim 4. 1. and the euent hath proued by Mahometisme in the East and Papisme in the West During which time although the Church hath beene driuen into the wildernes and the Apoca. 12. light of true doctrine which is the soule of the Church hath beene eclipsed yet they haue neuer vtterly perished For in all ages God in mercy hath reserued a remnant according Rom. 11. 5. to the election of grace by whome the light of his truth hath beene preserued and in whom those admirable promises of his mercy haue beene performed These haue beene not proud Popes treading vpon Emperors necks deposing them from their Crownes and Kingdomes raysing bloudy battels and pouling and spoyling Christian countries with greeuous and horrible exactions and deuises as might be shewed not carnal Cardinals Princes peeres hauing 200. and 300. benefices a peece as Gerson Gerson tom 1. de defect Virorum ecclesiast Nicol. Clama de corrupto statu ecclesiâ— Hebre. 11. 36. and Clamagis Parisian Doctors before named doe affirme not Popish blind prelates Abbats Monkes priests c. wallowing in all worldly wealth and for the most part in great filthines of life as hereafter I will shew but such as the Apostle speaketh of that haue beene tried by mockings and scourgings yea by bondes and prisonment which were stoned hewen asunder tempted slaine with the sworde wandred vp and downe in sheep-skinnes and in goates-skinnes destituted afflicted and tormented whome the world was not worthy of which wandred in wildernesses and mountaines and dennes and caues of the earth Such were these good people in the time of the foresaid apostacie the Waldenses and Pauperes de lugdunâ— dispersed in diuers countries as namely Calabria Sauoye Prouence in France of whom many both long ago in sundry places and diuers times were burned as it is written in the old booke called Fasciculus Temporum and also Actale 6. fol. 84. of late yeares were most cruelly and vnmercifully persecuted in Merindoll the valley of Angrone Luserne and See acts and monuments tom â— Ibidè fascicul temporum Saint Martin Such were they that were called Begardi of whom to the number of 114. were burnt at Paris as the foresaid booke Fasciculus Tempo sheweth Such were they that were called Albigenses inhabiting especially about Tholossa in France of whom by the procurement of that false Frier and superstitious Hypocrite Dom nicus VinceÌ„t Bellua Spec. Histor lib 2â— cap. 103. Auton hist part 3. titulâ— 19. cap. 1. Sect 4. Crant an metropo lib 8. cap. 18. liâ— 10. cap 9. an hundreth thousand were destroyed as writeth Bernardus Lutzenburgus anno 180. were togither burned as both Antoninus the Arch-bishop of Florence writeth and Bellarmine himselfe confesseth Such were they of whom Albertus Crantius writeth which in Sueuia publikely preached that the Pope bishops and prelates were heretikes and Simoniakes that the begging Friers did peruert the Church with their false preachings for the which they were persecuted and some burned Such were they in Bohemia and Morauia in great number with whom Aeneas Syluius who was Pope called Pius the second hauing had conference writeth thus of one of them Finitis sermonibus istis assurrexit vnus de primoribus Thaboritarum Aeneas Syluius epist 130. pag. 677. animo satis inflato quid tu nobis inquit apostolicam sedem tot verbis amplificas Nos Papam Cardinales auaritia seruos nouimus impatientes inflatos tumidos ventri ac libidini deditos ministros scelerum diaboli sacerdotes Antichrsti â—raecursores quorum deus venter est pecunia caelum That is when thâ—se speeches were ended there did rise vp one of the chiefe of the Thaborites and with an hautie mind said What dost thou amplifie to vs in so many wordes the Apostolicall seate wee know that the Pope and the Cardinals bee slaues to couetousnes impatient proud arrogant giuen to the bellie and filthie lust the ministers of wickednes the priests of the diuell and the forerunners of Antichrist whose God is their bellie and whose heauen is money such also was Arnoldus Brixianus Frosard fol. 54. persecuted by that proud English Pope Adrian the fourth anno 1155. Iohn Rochetailada burnt at Auinion by Pope Clement the sixt 1345. Michael Cesenas burnt 1322. Iohn Wickliffe who died 1387. and after his death his body was burnt Two Franciscan Friers burnt at Auinion by Pope Polychron lib 6. Polidor Virg. lib. 19. Innocent the sixt 1354. Two others burnt at London 1357. William Swinderby burnt 1401. William White burnt 1428. Peter Clarke and Peter Paine 1432. persecuted and forced to flee into Bohemia Thomas Rhedonensis burnt at Rome 1430. Matheus Pâ—lmerius burnt at Florence as witnesseth Sabellicus Dulcinus of Nouaria and Margaret his wife Anton part 3. titull 22. cap. 10. Sahâ—ll Eâ—ne 10. lib. 4. burnt about the yeare of our Lord 1304. Iohn Hus and Hierome of Prage burnt at Constance 1415. 1416. Hieronimus Sauonarola burnt at Florence 1499. These and many such other that might bee produced with their faithfull fauourers and followers were the true Church of God in whome his mercifull promises were performed These are they that haue mourned in Zion that haue lamented Isa 61. 3. Ezech. 9. 5. Apoc. 6. 9. 19. and cryed for all the abominations that haue beene done in Ierusalem or rather in Rome that were killed for the worde of GOD and for the testimonie which they maintained and which came out of great tribulation and Apoca 7. 14. Isa 61. 3. haue washed their robes in the bloud of the Lamb. But these now haue beauty for ashes the oyle of ioy for mourning the garments of gladnes for the spirit of heauines and are trees of righteousnes the planting of the Lord in Apoca. 6. 9. whome he is glorified they bee now vnder the altar and are in the presence of the throne of GOD and serue him day and night in his temple and hee that sitteth on the throne doth dwell among them neither doth the sunne light on them neither any heat But this man will say 7. 15. that these were condemned and punished by the Church for heretikes I confesse they were so euen as the Prophets of God Christ our Sauiour and his holy Apostles were before them condemned by the Prelates and Priests of the Church of Israel which carried the countenance of the Church of God as much and more rightly then the Pope and his prelates now doe Neither were these so few in number but that by confession of some popish writers the Romish false faith was sometimes in danger to haue bene subuerted by them Wernerus a Charterhouse Monke Fascicu Tempo aetat 6. fol 7. 8. of Colen in his fore-said booke called Fasciculus temporom writeth thus Fuerunt
nihilominus postea quidam subtilissimi Fascicu Tom. a tat 6. fol. 78. haeâ—etici qui istam haeresim Waldensium defendere conabantur plura regna populos deceperunt that is notwithstanding there were afterwards some most subtill heretikes which went about to defend this heresie of the Waldenses and deceiued or rather truely instructed many kingdomes and nations And againe hauing made mention of certaine Popish doctors in those daies as Hugo Cardinalis c. hee hath these words Quos diuina bonitas 1233. misit pro fidei defensione alioquin tota pene fides perüsset propter Fol. 80. haeret corum multiplioitatem subtilitatem simul potentiam that is whome God sent for the defence of the faith for otherwaies it had like wholy to haue perished by reason of the multitude subtiltie and powre of heretikes It appeareth by the testimonie of this Popish Monke that in those daies there were verie many of them whom hee falsely calleth heretikes And whereas these detested the enormities and abominations of the Church of Rome and maintained the same substantiall and fundamentall points of doctrine that wee doe as it appeareth by the articles obiected vnto them that they did how doth this man say that our religion was not these 1500. yeares in the world It was in the world but hated of the world which hated Ioh. 15. 18. 19 Christ yet was it constantly confessed euen to death of them whome God the Father hath giuen to Christ out of Ioh. 17. 6. 9. the world Hereby it may sufficiently appeare that the Synagogue of the Iewes hath not been more constant in continuance nor more ample in place then the true Church of Christ hath beene In deed it may bee that the Synagogues of the Iewes haue continued in some certaine places more constantly then the true Churches of Iesus Christ haue done Yet herevpon it doth not follow that either Gods admirable promises haue not beene performed or that the true Church hath perished It is not the Synagogue of the Iewes but the true Church of God that is clothed with Apoca. â—2 1. Christ the Sonne of righteousnes treadeth vnder her feete earthly things which be mutable as the moone is adorned with the doctrine of Christs twelue Apostles which is forced Chrysostom in psal 114. to flee into the wildernes Chrysostome saith well Ecclesia est tabernaculuÌ„ à deo fixum non ab homine ab vno loco in alium fugit sed non à pietate ad impietatem fugit that is The Church is the tabernacle which God hath pight not man shee fleeth from one place to another but shee neuer fleeth from Godlines to impiety and wickednes As Barrabas found here more fauor with the prelates and priests of Iudah and Ierusalem then Iesus Christ the Sonne of God did So the Popes and Iewes Synagogues haue found more fauor and more quietly rested in this wicked world then the true Church of Iesus Christ hath done As euen in Rome the Iewes professed open enemies of our Sauiour Christ haue had and yet haue their synagogues and liue paying their tributes in as great quietnesse and safety as the Curtizans Whores of Rome doe which pay yearely to the Pope twenty thousand duckates It is written in the pontificall Cornel. Aprip de Vanitate Scient cap. 64. that at the coronation of the Pope and in his procession to the Church of Laterane the Iewes vse to meete him and making curtesie do offer the law to him to whom hee giueth a gentle answer But whereas the foresaid Arnoldus Brixianus a great learned man reproued the errors enormities of the Church of Rome Adrian the fourth our proud Platina in Adriano 4. countriman who rebuked the Emperour for holding his wrong stirrop would not go vp the Church of Laterane to Platina in Honorio 2. be consecrate vntil he were driuen out of Rome There was also one Arnulphus in Rome a Godly man whom many of the inhabitants thereof acknowledge for a true disciple of Christ that was there murthered by the priests for inueighing Platina in Paulo 2. Sabellicus Ennead 10. l. b. 7. against their wickednes Also in a towne neere Rome called Pole the Lord therof with many others were counted heretikes for saying that none of them which followed Peter were the true vicars of Christ but such as followed the pouerty of Christ These Pope Paulus the second persecuted contumeliously intreated as Platina Sabellicus do write Hereby wee see that it is a thing more allowable in Rome to deny Christ as the Iewes do then to meddle with the Popes triple crowne or to reproue his pride enormities This our doctrine of performing Gods admirable promises not in proud Popes and wicked worldlings but in the faithfull which feare God tremble at his word and are for the most part hated and persecuted in the world doth neither shew the path to Atheisme nor open the gap to Machiuilian deuises which by the testimonie of some Papists themselues are no where sooner learned then in that schoole wherein T. W. the author of this slanderous libell hath beene as I suppose too much and too long trained I meane the schoole of Iesuites of whome William Watson a Popish secular Priest in his booke of Quodlibets lately published Quodlib 1. art 9 pag 21. Ibidem doth thus write Many Atheal paradoxes be taught in the Iesuites conclaue or close conuenticles Aga. Questionlesse the Iesuits want neither art nor euill will nor yet malitious meanes to effect it as hauing vsed from the beginning more Machiuilian deuises and Atheal practises in secret conference by their inferior agents with schismatikes yea and with our common aduersaries then with catholikes Againe It must Quodlib 4. art 4. pag. 112. needes follow that there is not a Iesuite in al England this day but hath a bitter smack of father Parsons impiety irreligiosity treachery treason and Machiuilian Atheisme Againe neither Machiuel nor any that euer yet was in Europe came neere Quodi 9. art 7. pag. 314. vnto the Iesuites for Atheal deuise to preâ—eâ—t he stopples of their stratagems and to further their proceedings Againe But I call them Iesuiticall that is the faction of the Iesuites In the appendix to the Quodli pag. 346. by abbreuiation to auoide circumlocution in one word expressing them to bee a factious seditious ambitious auaritious treacherous traiterous Machiuilian Atheâ—ll consort that abusing the rules of their society c. By the iudgement of this Popish Priest let the good Reader consider who they bee that shew the path to Atheisme and open the gap to Machiuilian deuises The Pamphlet The learned Protestants are Infidels 2. Article WHosoeuer buildeth his faith voppn his owne priuate and singular exposition of Scripture is an Infidel But all learned Protestants in England build their faith vppon their owne priuate exposition of Sripture Ergo all the Protestants of England
hinder it would suffer others to do it yet there Popeholy deuotion hath moued them to translate into English to publish in print aboue an hundred yeares past there golden Legend fully fraughted with lying fables as is before signified and is by some papistes confessed More-ouer will you confesse that because your Popes Sixtus the fift and Clemens the eight haue beene moulding a new your vulgare latine translation as I haue shewed that therefore it was before false and nought Surely whatsoeuer you will herein confesse both this their moulding and the booke it selfe did plainly shew that it was become very mouldy and corrupt and full of foule faults as sundry Papists haue acknowledged And why may not we as well bee moulding againe our translations as these Popes haue beene moulding this their mouldy translation which when their kingdome most florished by little vse and much rest had gotten much rust Aud therefore vntill you haue answered the same you may bee ashamed to brag of his pregnant proofs which were so weake and cauils so greatand many that he rather discouered his own folly then discredited our translators What Maister Broughton writeth concerning our translation I doe not knowe neither do I greatly care yet this I say although that our translations were made in the feare of God to profit Gods Church and people according to the measure of the grace of God bestowed vpon the laborers in that holy worke and be voyd of wilfull corruptions either for doctrine or manners yet I do not thinke them to be voyde of imperfections in respect of propriety of words and phrases wherein they may be somewhat reformed and amended And hard it is to haue a translation so exact and perfit but that some such imperfectnes may be in it which yet be not repugnant either to holy doctrine or good life And for asmuch as this man of malice would faine if hee could discredit our translations and cause the Reader to doubt of the truth of them I wil shew not onely the good Christian but also the Romish Catholike y◠hath vnderstanding of the Latine tongue how he may discerne and know the truth and faithfulnesse of our translations and so not to relie vpon the credit of our Ministers There is a Latine translation of the old Testament made from the Hebrew very well and learnedly by Sanctes Pagninus an Italian and a dominicke Frier a man excellentlie learned in the Hebrew tongue for I will giue him and his worke their due and deserued praise and commendation and not doe as this libeller and his fellowes vse to doe who of enui◠and malice wherewith their hearts bee infected and possessed cannot giue a good word to any thing we do though it be neuer so good and Godly This translation hee did dedicate to Pope Clemens the feauenth Let the Reader compare our translations especially of the latter editions with the said translation and see whether in any substantiall matter of faith and life hee can finde any corruptions and any great and notorious dissensions from the same And the like I may say of Erasmus translation of the new Testament dedicated to Pope Leo the tenth and allowed by him Let Isay the Reader compare our translations with these and although hee may finde some difference in words and phrases yet in matters of substance which concerne either the doctrine of faith or precepts of good life I am sure hee shall finde a goodly and Godly harmonie and agreement to his comfort and contentation And lastly I wil offer to this challenger who offereth challenge of disputation with vs and to al his partakers that for one fault of moment or weight that they shall finde in our translation especially as I said of the latter editions wherein they differ from the originall fountaines of the Hebrew and Greeke I will vndertake to finde sixe yea ten greater and fouler in that vulgar Latine translation which the councell of Trident hath most absurdly confirmed and made authentical And therefore let neither the Godly Christian Reader nor the seduced Catholike be disswaded from reading of our translations nor doubt of the truth of them But this hath beene in all ages the drift of the Diuell to seeke to discredite and diffame those Godly men that haue labored in Gods vineyard and haue indeuored to translate his holy word to the comfort and saluation of his elect and chosen people How Saint Hierome of old and Erasmus of late were vsed I haue elsewhere shewed So this cauiller dealeth now with that blessed man of God and constant Martyr of Iesus Christ Maister Tindall who as hee did patiently and constantly beare and abide their furious crueltie and confirmed the truth of God which hee had taught with the shedding of his bloud in flaming fire so hee needeth not my defence Who was a man of such mortification and Godly life that I haue knowne some of great credite and authoritie that knew him and liued with him at Antwerpe that would say of him that if a man could bee like God it was Tindall I doubt not but he was indued with much more Godlines then a hundreth of your Popes whom their owne friends and fauorers call for their horrible wickednesse Monstra Portenta Monsters of mankinde But he that iustifieth Platina in Benedioto 4. Christophoro 1. Ioan. 13. prou 17. 15. Psal 1 16. Rom. 3. the wicked and hee that condemneth the innocent euen they both are abhominatiō to God That al men may erre wee doe confesse Omnis homo Mendax all men be liers and generall councells which consist of men may erre and haue erred wee doe not doubt But of this it shall bee impertinent to speake at this present I will onelie now retort your argument vpon you Whosoeuer relieth his faith vpon man hath no faith but all English Papists that vnderstand not the Hebrew Greeke and Latine and reade the Remish translation relie their faith vpon man videl the translator of that Testament ergo all such English Papists haue no faith The like may bee said of them that reade the Latine which relie their faith vpon the councell of Trent who were men Againe whosoeuer relieth his faith vpon man hath no faith all Papists relie their faith vpon the Pope who I trow is a man ergo all Papists haue no faith And this shall suffice for answere to your third article The Pamphlet The Protestants know not what they beleeue 4. Article THe Protestants know not what they beleeue nor why they beleeue that they know not why they beleeue I haue shewed before For that the ground of their beleefe is not the authoritie of scripture of councells of Doctors nor of the Church but their owne fancie And that they know not what they beleeue is manifest because they haue no rule whereby to know what is matter of faith and what is not Some say the sphere of their faith is extended solely and wholy to the word of God set
Protestants deny three articles of our creed and the Puritanes fiue I say that you affirme much and proue little But first you might well ynough haue forborne this distinction of Protestants Puritanes for although some haue differd in some outward matters concerning ceremonies externall orders in the Church yet these all greatly agree and consent in all points of the doctrine of faith and Articles of Christian Religion Neither do I know any that deserue so well of this name of Puritanes as you who glory that you after Baptisme bee pure from all sinne and for actuall sinnes after committed can make so full satisfaction to God for them that hee can request no more of you as hereafter I will shew and therefor it is you that may well be called Puritanes of whome that saying of Sollomon may be well verified There is a generation that are pure in their owne conceit and yet are not washed from their filthines Prou 30. But let vs come to the examination of your proofe of this your absurd and slaunderous assertion The first you fay is the Catholike Church Credo Ecclesiam sanctam Catholicam doe wee deny this Article Why doe wee then not onely print it and rehearse it in our Creed but also expound it in our preachings and Catechising I haue said before that which may seeme sufficient concerning this matter andd article yet the better to satisfie the Christian Reader and to stop the mouth of this malicious accuser I say againe that by the holy Catholike Church mentioned in the Creede is ment the company of all Gods elected and faithfull people whome he calleth iustifieth and sanctifieth to be vessels of his mercy and heires of his kingdome of glory which is the body of Christ and he the head the spouse of Christ and he the bridegrome the house of Christ and he the foundation the flocke of Christ and hee the shepehard And this Church wee confesse to bee Catholike that is to say vniuersall both in respect of time for that it consisteth of all them that are written in the booke of life which haue bene from the beginning of the world and shall be to the end thereof and also of place for that it is not now contained in any one country Act. â—o 35. but as S. Peter saith In euery nation be that feareth God and worketh righteousnes is accepted with him and is a true meÌ„ber of this Catholike church That this is the holy Catholike Church which we confesse and beleeue wherof the prophane wicked hypocrites and reprobates bee no part besides that which I haue said before I will further proue it by the holy Scriptures and ancient Fathers Saint Paul saith Let vs follow the truth in loue and in all things grow vp Ephes 4. 15. vnto him which is the head that is Christ by whom all the body being coupled and knit together by euery ioynt for the furniture thereof according to the effectuall power which is in the measure of euery part receiueth increace of the body vnto the edifying of it sefe in loue Againe Christ loued â—he Church Chap. 5. 25. and gaue himselfe for it that be might sanctifie it and clense it by the washing of water through the word that he might make it to him selfe a glorious Church not hauing spot or wrinkle or any such thing but that it should be holy and without blame These things belong onely to the elect people of God who shall raigne with him in his eternall kingdome of glory For they onely be the body of Christ knit together in him sanctified here to bee without spot or blemish hereafter The Apostle to the Hebrues saith Whose house we are if we Heb. 3. 6. hold fast that confidence and that reioycing of hope vnto the end Where he sheweth that they belong to the house of God which is the Church of the liuing God the pillar and 1. Timth 3. 15 stay of truth which vnto the end hold fast their confident faith and hope of Gods glory wherof they reioyce which belongeth onely to the faithfull and chosen children of God This is that Church whereof he speaketh after But Heb. 12. 22. ye are come vnto the mount Sion and to the citty of the liuing God the celestiall Ierusalem and to the company of innumerable Angels and to the assembly and congregation of the first borne which are written in heauen and to God the Iudge of all and to the spirits of iust and perfect men To whom can these Galat. 4. things pertaine but onely to the Ierusalem which is aboue the mother of vs all which is the holy Catholike Church that we beleeue Hereunto I will adde a few sayings of the Fathers Saint Augustine saith Corpus huius capitis Ecclesiaest non quae hoc loco est sed quae hoc loco pertotum orbem terrarum nec August in Psal 81. illa quae hoc tempore sed ab ipso Abel vsque ad eos qui nascituri sunt vsque in finem credituri in ChristuÌ„ totus populus sanctorum ad vnam ciuitatem pertinentium quae ciuitas corpus est Christi cui caput est Christus The body of this head is the Church not which is in this place only but that which is in this place through the whole would neither that Church which is at this time but that of them which from Abel shall be borne vnto the end and shall beleeue in Christ eueÌ„ the whole company of Saints pertaining to one citty which city is the body of Christ wherof Christ is the head And in another place Ille caput est nos membra sumus tota ecclesia quae vbique diffusa est corpus ipsius est cuius Idem in Psa 62 est ipse caput Non solum qutem fideles quâ— modo sunt sed qui fuerunt ante nos qui post nos futuri sunt vsque in finem seculi omnes adcorpus eius pertinent cuius corporis ipse caput est qui ascendit in coelum He is the head wee are his members the whole Church which is dispersed euery where is his body whereof he is the head And not onely the faithfull which be now but also they which haue beene before vs and which shall be after vs vnto the end of the world all pertaine to his bodie of which bodie hee which hath Idem de Catech rud c. 20. ascended into heauen is the head Againe Caelestis Hierusalem ciues sunt omnes saâ—ctificati homines qui fuerunt qui sunt qui futuri sunt All sanctified men which haue beene which are and which shall bee Citizens of the heauenly Ierusalem Cyprian saith Ecclesia nunquam à Cyprian lib. 1. epist 3. Christo discedit ii sunt ecclesia qui in domo Dei pâ—rmanent The Church neuer departeth from Christ and they bee the Church which continue in the house of God Againe Jdem de
vnitate ecclesie Adulterari non potest sponsa Christi incorrupta est puaica vnam domum nouit vnius cubiculi sanctitatem casto pudore custodit Haec nos Deo seruat haec filios regno quos generauit assignat The spouse cannot bee defiled shee is vncorrupt and chast shee knoweth one house and keepeth with chast shamefastnesse the holinesse of one chamber she keepeth vs to God she assigneth the children whome shee hath borne vnto this kingdome Saint Hierome saith Ipsa Hieron in Iob cap. 28. ecclesiae quae est Sanctorum omnium congregatio pro aeterna sibi in Domino stabilitate columna fundamentum dicitur veritatis The Church which is the congregation of all Saints by reason of her eternall stedfastnes in God is called Chrysost in Ps Hom. 114. the pillar and ground of truth Chrysostome saith Ecclesia est tabernaculum à Deo fixum non ab homine ab vno lcco in alium fugit sed non à pietate ad impietatem fugit The Church is the tabernacle which God hath pight and not man shee flieth from one place to another but she neuer flieth from Ambros in Ephes cap. 1 Godlines to impietie and wickednes Ambrose Apostolus omnem ecclesiam dicens summatim totum comprehendit quod in coelo est in terra The Apostle meaning all the Church briefly comprehendeth the whole which is both in heauen Bern. in Cant. serm 78. Clem Alexand. Strom. lib. 7. pag. 35. Bedain Cant. 6. and in earth Ternaâ—d saith Electi Dei sunt ecclesia Dei The elect of God be the Church of GOD. So saith Clemens Alexandrinus Non nunc locum sed electorum congregationem appello ecclesiam I call not now the place the Church but the congregation of the elect So saith Beda vna est columba perfecta mea vna est inquit catholica elâ—ctorum omnium multitudo peromnia et mundi Loca et tempora seculorum deo patri subiecta 1. my perfect doue is one hee saith that there is one Catholike multitude of all the elect by all both places of the world and ages of times subiect to God the father Yea Friar Lyra saith Lyra in Mat. 16. Ex quo patet quod ecclesia non consistat in hominibus ratione potestatis vell dignitatis ecclesiasticae vel secularis quia multi principaes summi pontifices alii inferiores inuenti sunt apostatasse à fide propter quod ecclesia consistit in illis personis in quibus est notitia vera et confessio fidei et veritatis Whereby it appeareth that the Church consisteth not in men in respect of their ecclesiasticall or secular power or dignitie for many Princes and Popes and others of lower Popes Apostates degree haue bene found to haue bene Apostates and to haue fallen away from the faith Wherefore the Church consisteth in those persons in whome is true knowledge and the confession of faith and truth So saith the Fryar Alphonsus de castro Ecclesia ex omnibus fidelibus constat Aduers Hares lib. 1. cap. 5. fol. 11. non solum presentibus verumetiam preteritis et in posterum futuris 1. The Church consisteth of al the faithful not onely them that bee now present but also heretofore haue bene and hereafter shall be This is that holy Catholike Church which wee in the Creed confesse and beleeue euen the whole number of them whom God hath elected and chosen to eternall life whom God hath had in all ages and of all nations Of which Church euery true and faithfull man and woman must beleeue him-selfe to bee a true and liuely member whereof hee may bee assured if hee finde and feele that GOD hath lightened his minde with the knowledge of his truth hath wrought in his heart an vnfained faith to trust in his mercies and to beleeue that his sinnes be forgiuen him for Christes names sake and that God hath sanctified his soule and body to hate sinne and to haue a care and conscience to serue him in true holines righteousnes all the eaies of his life This being our confession and bâ— liefe with what conscience truth can this man say that the Church which the Protestants beleeue hath been interrupted al the ages betwixt the Apostles and Luther and in very deed was neuer seene before Luthers daies or that we imagine the same to bee comprehended within the narrow bounds of England I can say no more but that a false witnes shall Prouerbe 19. 5. not be vnpunished and he that speaketh lyes shall not escape But now lette vs see what this man and his fellowes hold beleeue and call the Catholike Church forsooth the companie of all them that receiue and professe the religion and doctrine of the Church of Rome submit themselues to be ruled and gouerned by the Bishop Pope of Rome They that do not this be Heretikes Schismatikes out of Noahs Arke and out of the Catholike Church And herevpon it followeth that the Christians in Graecia Muscouia Armenia Ethiopia c. where Christianitie hath continued vnto this day and among whom no doubt but some haue been of Gods elect and chosen people yet bee they no Catholikes nor of the Catholike Church nor in the state of saluation and why because they neither haue been nor be subiect to the Pope of Rome For so it is with many words sollemnely defined determined by that holy Pope Bonniface the 8. Subesse Roman opontifici omni humanae creaeturae Extra de maior obedien unaÌ„ sanctam declaramus dicimus definimus pronuntiamus omnino esse de necessitate salutis that is We declare say define and pronounce that it is altogither of necessitie of saluation to be subiect to the Pope of Rome Where the Glosse helpeth out the matter with these wordes Quicquid saluatur est sub Gloss ibidem summo ponitfice Whatsoeuer is saued is vnder the Pope And on the other side All they that professe the religion of Rome and submit them-selues to the Bishop thereof bee Catholikes and of the Catholike Church how prophane wicked or vngodly soeuer they be Pope Iohn the 8. the whore Iohn the 12. or as some reckon him the 13. who was an adulterer and of two Cardinals did cut out the tongue of the one the hand of the other and at dice-play would call vppon the Diuell and made the Pallace of Laterane a stewes of strumpets as Luithprand lib. 6. cap. 7. Luithprandus Ticinensis writeth Syluester the second a coniurer who gaue himselfe to the Diuell to be made Pope Gregorie the 7. a coniurer and monster Bonniface the 7. Platina in Syluest 2. who robbed Saint Peters Church and put out the eyes of Iohn a Cardinal Bonniface the 8. who entred into his Popedome like a foxe raigned like a wolfe and died like a dog Jdem Alexander the sixt Iulius the second and al they whome
Platina calleth monstra portenta monsters and wonders Platina for their wickednesse were not onely Catholikes but also heads of this Catholike Church And he that married as I said before his owne sister and Ferdinando a king Naples who married his Aunt king Philip of Spaine that married Phil. Comiueus his Neece because they did see these things by the dispensations alowing of holy Popes of Rome were Catholkes and good sonnes of the Catholike Church Now whether of these doctrines concerning this article of our faith I beleeue the holy Catholike Church be the sounder truer let the Christian reader vprightly iudge I doubt not but wisdome Math. 11. shall be iustified of her children And whereas you would make men beleeue that the Church whereof wee are is contained within the narrow boundes of England and that the Lutherans in Germanie the Hugonotes in France and the Gues in Flanders as you tearme them will not ioyne issue with vs in diuers essentiall pointes of Religion you doe to the offending of God and deceiuing of your ignorant reader vtter two notorious vntruths For we as I haue said before confesse our selues to bee members of that holy Catholike Church which hath beene in all ages and is dispersed ouer the world and we haue communion and fellowshippe with all them in all nations that feare God and obey his truth especially in the fundamentall Doctrines of Religion aâ—d saluation But how doe you truely confesse the Church to be Catholike that is vniuersall comprehending all nations in restraining it to the religion and subiection of the Pope of Rome and so consequently to a small part of Europe vnlesse you will now of late adde the West Indians where the Spaniards haue committed moe horrible murthers then they haue made good proselytes And what an improper speech it is that you cal the Church of Rome the Catholik church as if a man shold cal the church of Corinth or Ephesus the Catholike that is the vniuersall Church which if they were holy are but members of the Catholike Church This is therefore that which you vntruly attribute to vs to call England the vniuersall world or Kent the kingdome of England c. But the Church of Rome now committing fornication with stocks and stones is so farre from being the Catholike Church that it is no true member thereof as M. Doctor Raynolds hath learnedly proued Which short Thesis being published in latine about twenty sixe yeares past and in English nineteene yeares yet to the shame of all Papists standeth to this day vnconfuted although it tendeth to the cutting of the throate of their religion and ouerthroweth the maine pillar thereof And that these whom you contemptuously cal Lutherans Hugonotes and Gues do dissent from vs in essentiall points of religion you may easily affirme but shall neuer be able to proue Some indeed in Germany whome you call Lutherans do dissent from vs in one point concerning the Sacrament of Christs body and bloud howbeit you cannot be ignorant but that many Churchs and countries in Germany ioyne with vs in that matter And let the reader reade and examine the confessions of faith set out by the Churches in France and in the low countries and they shall see both how great their agreement in Doctrine is with vs and also what a shamelesse slaunder this is which this authour hath acording to his accustomed maner auouched but not proued And moreouer I will offer this issue to this man who thinketh so highly of him-selfe that whereas he shall proue that there is dissension among vs in one essentiall point of religion and doctrine I will proue that there is in three at the least among them And this much for this article The second article of the communion of Saints you say we many waies denie First by not beleeuing that Christ hath instituted seauen Sacraments wherein the Saints of his Church coÌ„municate But why do not you bring some plaine proofe that our Sauiour Christ iustituted these seauen Sacraments seeing you say that the denying of them is the deniall of this Article of our faith Saint Paul going about to terrifie the Christians of Corinth from going to idolatrous feasts by the example of Gods fearefull iudgements and plagues poured vpon the Israelites for the like sinnes to preuent an obiection which the Christians of Corinth might haue made that the Israelits were not the Children of God so much as they and had not such Sacraments of Baptisme and of Christs supper as they had and therefore God would not deale so hardly with them as hee did with the Israelites to take away I say this obiection he sheweth that they were Gods people as well as the Christians of Corinth were and had the same sacraments in substance that we haue For the Fathers were vnder that cloud and all passed through the sea and were all baptized by Moses in 1. Cor. 10. 1 that cloud and in that sea and did all eate the same spirituall meat and did all drinke the same spirituall drinke for they dranke of the spirituall rocke that followed them and the rocke was Christ Where Saint Paul making mention of the Sacraments which are tokens of Gods grace and markes of his people nameth but these two Baptisme and Christs supper Saint Augustine also writing of the Sacraments whereby Christ hath tied his people together maketh mention but of the same two in these words Primum itaque tenere volo quod est huius disputationis caput dominuÌ„ nostrum Iesum Christum sicut ipse in Euangelio loquitur Leui August ad Ianuar Epist 108. iugo suo nos subdidisse sarcinae leuâ— vnde sacramentis numero paucissimis obseruatione facillimis significatione praestantissimis societatem noui populi colligauit sicut est baptismus Trinitatis nomine consecratus communicatio corporis sanguâ—â—is ipsius si quid aliud in scripturis canonicis commeÌ„datur c. 1. First therfore I would haue thee hold that which is the head of this disputation that our Lord Iesus Christ hath as hee speaketh in the Gospell put vs vnder his easie yoke light burthen wherevpon he hath bound togither the society and communion of his people by Sacraments in number fewest in obseruation easiest in signification most excellent as is baptisme consecrated in the name of the Trinity the communion of his body bloud if there be any thing els commended in the canonicall scriptures The like he writeth in his 3. booke de doctor Christiana cap. 9. by the which it appeareth that he thought these two Sacraments to be sufficient for faithfull Christians to communicate in And if he had acknowledged any mo it is maruel yâ— writing of purpose of theÌ„ he did not name them yet S. Augustine did not deny this article of the coÌ„munion of Saints Bessarion a Cardinall of Rome a learned man dissenteth Bessar de Sacram Eucharistia froÌ„ you saith Haec duo
yet by the communication of his vertue and demonstration of his diuine workes in those seauen Churches doth so perfectly shew himselfe as though there were so many spirits euery one working in his peculiar Church Ambrose set out by Doctor Tunstall Bishop of Duresme writeth vpon these words thus Hic tota trinit as demonstratur Heere the whole Trinitie is shewed and a little after Per septem autem spiritus spiritus sanctus cò quòd sit septiformis intelligitur By the seauen spirits the holy Ghost is vnderstood because hee worketh seauen manner of wayes And hard it were or rather absurd to pray for grace and peace from Saints and that before Iesus Christ But vpon this I will not stand onely the reader may consider how barren this cause is which hath no plainer proofes and driueth this man to such priuate and false exposition of Gods word Now whereas you say that by prayer you glorifie the Saints in heauen I say that by prayer we doe glorifie God Call vpon mee in Psal 50. 15. the day of trouble and I will deliuer thee and thou shalt glorifie me But that by prayer we should glorifie Saints I doe not finde in all the holy scriptures If this man can why doth hee not shew it I finde that God will not giue his glorie Isa 42. 8. Psal 115. 1 to any other and that the Saints with Dauid say Not vnto vs O Lord not vnto vs but vnto thy name giue the glorie for thy louing mercy and thy truths sake And that the Angell Apoc. 19. 10 2◠8. would not bee worshiped or glorified but said vnto Iohn worship God As touching the Saints mediation when Iesus Christ shall cease to be our mediator and to sit at the right hand of GOD to make intercession for vs then wee wil seeke to your mediation of Saints In the meane time take you heede that in attributing that to the Saints which is proper and peculiar to the sonne of GOD yea which hee hath bought with his bloud you doe not deny the Lord which hath bought vs and that you doe not horribly dishonor those Saints and make Idols of them Furthermore you say that wee deny the communion of the Church militant and the soules in purgatorie c. Wherevnto I answer that when you shal plainely pithily proue this your fained fire of purgatorie which the Greeke Church alwaies hath denied then we will yeeld vnto you and graunt our selues to bee to blame in not helping these seely soules with dirges masses c. out of the paines of this forged fire You quote in your margent for proofe thereof 1. Cor. 3. v. 15. 15. v. 29. Alas poore purgatory that hath no better proofes The words of S. Paul in the first place be these If a mans worke burne he shall lose but he shall be saued himselfe neuerthelesse yet as it were by fire Here is mention of fire and therefore it must needs be the fire of purgatory for such is the great iudgement of these worthy writers that if they read in the scriptures or Fathers this word fire it is none other but the fire of purgatorie if sacrifice it is the sacrifice of the Masse if confessiō it can be nothing but auricular confession to the Priest if tradition it is vnwritten verities or vanities But touching these places of Saint Paul because the author of this Pamphlet doth not aledge them but barely quote them I will but briefely touch thē To the first I say that Saint Paul there speaketh not of all men but only of teachers and preachers which be builders of Gods house and Church which euen Bellarmine confesseth Tom 1. contr 6 de purgat lib. 1 cap. 4. Secondly he speaketh not of all their workes but only of their doctrine whereby they build the Church of God Thirdly hee speaketh not of the purging of workes or persons but of the probation of doctrines Fourthly the works are said to bee prooued and not the persons Lastly if this place should be vnderstood of purgatory then euery man should bee throwne into it for it is said the fire shall try euery mans worke of what sort it is but this is contrarie to the doctrine of the Papists who will not haue all men come into purgatorie These things plainely shew that this place cannot bee vnderstood of purgatorie Saint Augustine in many places doth vnderstand it of the afflictions and troubles sustained in this life and not of the paines of Purgatorie after this life Enchir. ad Laurentium cap. 68. de ciuit Dei lib. 21. cap. 26. de fide operibus cap. 16. in Psal 80. But S. Paul speaketh of triall of doctrine shewing that as the fire trieth mettals so the light of Gods truth trieth doctrines and as gold and siluer abide in the fire and hay and stubble be consumed so true sound and holie doctrines abide the light and trial of Gods word when either vntrue doctrines or vaine speculations perish and be comsumed So doth Saint Ambrose expound it Mala doctrina Ambros in 1. Cor. 3. in igne omnibus apparebit nunc enim quosdam fallit Euill doctrine shall appeare vnto all in the fire for now it deceiueth some Againe Mala enim adultera doctrina idcirco in ligno foeno stipula significata est vt ostenderetur ignis esse esca Euill and counterfeit doctrine is therefore signified by wood hay and stubble that it might be shewed Idem in Psal 118. in haec verba ignitum eloquiū tuum that it is but meate to bee consumed of fire And againe Ignis ergo hic Christi sermo est bonus ignis c. This fire is the word of Christ and it is a good fire which warmeth but burneth not but onely sinnes By this fire that gold of the Apostle laid vpon the good foundation is tried By this fire that siluer of manners or workes is proued By this fire those pretious stones are lightned but the hay stubble is consumed Therefore this fire clenseth the soule and consumeth error Hitherto Saint Ambrose whereby wee may see that neither Saint Augustine nor Saint Ambrose expound this place of Purgatory much lesse the Greeke Fathers who neuer acknowledged it Therfore to expound it of Purgatorie as the Papists do whether it bee not a priuate false exposition let the godly reader vprightly iudge The words of the other place here quoted are these Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead if the dead rise not at all why are they then baptized for dead To picke Purgatorie pickpurse out of this place passeth my skill Here is mention made of baptisme for the dead but neither of Purgatorie nor of praier for the dead I am not ignorant that there bee sundrie expositions of this place yet I doe not remember that euer I read it expounded of Purgatorie or applied vnto it And therefore I will write no more at this present
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Math. 27. 46. â—2 death but Christ our Sauiour was in such an Agonie that his sweate was like drops of bloud trickling downe to the ground so that an Angell appeared from heauen comforting him He cryed and said My God my God why hast thou forsaken me Whereby it doth euidently appeare that hee suffred not onely an outward death of the body but did in his soule wrastle with the paines of Hell and beare the burden of GODS wrath due to our sinnes to deliuer vs from the same and to purchase the loue and mercy of God vnto vs. And when the prophet saith of him He hath borne our infirmities and carried our sorrowes Isa 53. 4. 5. 6. he was wounded for our transgressions he was broken for our iniquities the chastisment of our peace was laid vpoÌ„ him and with his stripes we are healed Alwe like sheepe haue gone astray we haue turned euery one to his owne way and the Lord hath laid vpon him the inâ—quity of vs all Did not our Sauiour Christ heere in suffer the punishment which was due to our sinnes Saint Paul saith that Christ hath redeemed vs from the curse of the law being made a curse for vs for Galath 3. 13. it is written Cursed is euery one that hangeth on the tree yet Iesus Christ was neuer accursed of his Father but he bare in his body and soule the curse that was due to our sinnes to deliuer vs from the curse of God aind to purchase to vs the blessing of God But these men who other-wayes are so full of curious distinctions doe herein erre because they doe not with Saint Augustine put a difference betweene that which appertained to Christs owne person Augustin psal 21 c. and that which hee suffered in the person and place of vs the which if this writer or rather slaunderer had don hee might haue abstained from these his blasphemous collections of his owne and not our assertions As if Christ had despaired of his Saluation or GOD had hated him c. Where-unto I answere that Christ was farre from such despaire which properly is a sinne in the reprobate and not a punishment of Gods iustice And we hould that our Sauiour Christ suffered in our person and for vs those torments which are righteous punishments of GODS iustice against sinne and not such as properly bee sinnes in the deuils and in wicked and reprobate men as are despaire and hatred of God And therefore we confesse with our mouthes and beleeue with our hearts that Christ was neuer hated of his Father but alwaies the deerely beloued Sonne of God in whome he was alwayes well pleased But hee hated sinne the which as man had committed so in mans nature Gods iustice was to be satisfied The which for that corrupt and sinfull man was not able to performe the Sonne of God as I said became our surety tooke vpon him our nature and in the same hath suffered vpon the crosse the punishment of Gods anger due to our sinnes and thereby hath satisfied Gods iustice pacified his anger and purchased his loue and mercy to all those that truly beleeue in him And so Christ was tormented with anguish of minde nor for his sinnes as you falsely gather but for out sinnes which hee bare in his body and soule vpon the crosse and God was not enemy to God but enemy to our sinnes which were imputed to Christ that his satisfaction and righteousnes might bee imputed vnto vs To conclude we beleeue that Christ suffered vpon the crosse those punishments of sinne which proceede from Gods iustice and be no sinnes which in some sense may be called the paines of hell the which as Christ by his Deitie ouercame and it was impossible for him to be held and ouercome of them so the diuell and the reprobate shall eternally indure them And this is no disperate doctrine but a most comfortable doctrine to assure vs that in Christ Gods iustice is satisfied our sinnes are discharged hell is conquered and wee from it be deliuered So that we may with the Apostle say O death where is thy sting O 1. Cor. 15. 35. hell where is thy victory The Pamphlet The Protestantes haue no meane to determine controuersies and abolish heresies 5. Article AS the Protestants neither know what they beleeue nor why they beleeue so haue they no meanes in their Church to settle them in vnity of beleefe nor to dâ—termine controuersies nor to abolish heresies as hath the Catholike Church for our Sauiour Christ by his diuine prouidence did foresee that heresies were to arise in his Church as his Apostle S. Paul doth warne vs the which as plagues were to infect his flocke and therefore hee not onely fore-warned vs of them but also gaue vs meanes how to preuent and extinguish them He willed vs to heare his Church if we would not be accounted as Ethnicks and Publicanes He ordained Pastors and Doctors lest we should bee carried away with euery blast of vaine doctrine He promised to the Church the assistance of the holy Ghost in such sort as they which would not heare her would not heare him The Catholikes therefore beleeuing certainly that the Church cannot erre that the general Councells cannot deliuer false doctrine that the Pastors and ancient Fathers with ioynt consent cannot teach vntruths when heresies spring vp presently with the voyce of the Church plucke them vp euen by the rootes and so euer hath practiâ—ed and after this manner hath ouerthrowne al encounters false opinions and errors which the diuel by his ministers euer planted or established in the world and so they haue bene freed from all braules and quarrels in matters of religion But the Protestants admitting the sole Scripture as vmpire and Iudge in matters of controuersies allowing no infallible interpreter thereof but remitting all to euery mans priuat spririt singular expositioÌ„ cannot possibly without error wind themselues out of the laborynth of so many controuersies wherewith they are now inueagled and intricated And the irreconciliable iarres betwixt them and the Puritanes in essentiall points of faith giue sufficient testimonie that they wil neuer haue an end or can haue an end holding those grounds of opinion which they obstinately defend And albeit they goe about to bleare the peoples braines with I know not what vnitie and conformity in matters of faith and in the substance of religion and that their disagreement onely consisteth in points of ceremonies and trifles of small importance yet in very deed they differ in sundry essentiall pointes of religion and although this shift will perhaps serue to cast a mist ouer the confused conceits of silly fooles yet no wise man will euer bleeue them I pray you tell me is not the Kinges supremacy a matter of faith and a cheefe point of religion and doe not all sound Puritanes in the world denie it and defie it Aske Caluin the Puritanicall Patriarke what he thought of King Henry the
eight for assuming of such a preheminence vnto him Read the Annales of Scotland and you shall finde the prefumptious presbiterie euery foote opposing themselues against our Kings authoritie as though hee had nothing to doe with the kirke Looke into the cariage of our precifians at home and you shall finde them in shew to professe it but in deedes and effects really to denie it For if the approue his supremacy with what face can they deny his ordinaÌ„ces in matters of Religion why weare they not Vestimentes Surplises the Cappe and Tippet Why refuse they to Baptise with the signe of the Crosse Why subscribe they not to the Booke of common praier why obey they not the Ecclesiasticall cannons established by his Maiesties authoritie no other reason of this obstinate repugnance can bee yeelded then that in verie truth they doe not in conscience allow of his supremacy 2. Is not the authoritie of Bishoppes their power to create Ministers their degree in dignitie aboue ordinarie Curates and pastors a matter of faith and so neerelie toucheth the gouernment of the Church that if this Hereticall order bee abolished the whole forme of Christes Church is presentlie confounded 3. The obseruation of feastes and holie daies infringed by Puritanes maintained by Protestants is it but a ceremonie were not the obstinate impugning thereof a sufficient reason to censure them for Heretikes Did not the Councell of Nice condemne the Quartoderimeni for Heretikes who would onelie haue obserued their Easter day vpon the foureteenth daie of the month of March what if they had called our precisians to the barre who will haue it wholie abolished Questionlesse they would haue branded them in a farre deeper degree of heresie then the Quarto-derimani 4. Is not the obseruation of Lent and other fasting daies a matter of more moment then trifles or then things indifferent Did not Saint Epiphanius censure Aerius of heresie for denyning these prescript times for fasting for albeit they bee not precisely set downe in Scriptures and therein commanded to bee obserued yet they beeing either ordained by the Apostles or instituted by the Church which had authoritie to appoint fastes at least as well as the Puritane Presb terie without doubt hee that callâ—th this holie institution either doctrine of diuells or torture of consciences or restraint of Euangelicall libertie ought by the iudgement of all true Protestantes to bee condemned for a Pagan and Infidell who will not submit his soule to the censure of the Church 5. The Puritanes blasphemously pronounce and ignorantly defend that Christ suffered the paines of hell vpon the Crosse and that in his passionall agony and agonizing greife did principally consist the satisfaction of Christ for the redemption of man from those eternall tormentes of hell and thinke you this is a trifle a rite or ceremony This faith the Puritans professe this blaspheny the Protestants detest 6. The descention of Christ to hell is no doubt but a trifle a ceremonie a matter of small importance it is but an article of our Creed and yet this article the Puritanes really deny the which all Protestants stedfastly beleeue 7. That the second person in Trinitie receiued his diuinity from his father is but a trifle a point not much material to our beleefe yet this being denied the mystery of the holy Trinity can not bee beleeued for it absolutely taketh away the nature of a sonne and consequently the admirable procession of the sâ—cond person and so ouer throweth all the mysterie of the Trinity This principall part of Christianity Protestants approoue and Puritanes improoue 8. Iomit here many more pettie differences in matters of faith the which were sufficient to make them condemne one an other not onelie in accidents and ceremonies but also in the substance and principall partes of Religion as in that the Precisians denie that in Baptisme our sinnes bee remitted but onely take it for a seale of that grace God gaue them by his eternall election That Protestants confesse that in the Sacrament we are washed by Gods spirit from originall sinne 9. The Puritanes condemn the coÌ„munion booke as irreligious and erronious the Protestantes commend it as Orthodoxall and Religious 10. The Protestants vse the Cosse in Baptisme as a holie signe fit for the profession of Christ his faith and Religion the Puritans exclame against it as an humane inuention anda point of superstition 11. Protestants defend that imposition of hands in confirmation is a signe of the fauour and goodnesse of GOD towards them The Puritanes auouch that this is a flat lie and that they testifie therein that doth that he neuer did 12. The Protestants in fine will vse Vestments Musicke Orgaines Surplesses and diuers other ceremonies in diuine seruice and administration of Sacraments all which the Puritanes condemne as will-worshippe and not being commanded by God to bee superstitious All these I say I omit and many more which are to be seene in the Puritanes supplication to the Parliament where two and thirty differences are assigned and onely haue thought good to aduertise euery discreete protestant to consider the seauen precedent differences for there is neuer a one of them which the Puritane defendeth not to bee a matter of faith and the Protestant is bound in consâ—icence to condemne him for obstinately maintaining the contrarie to bee an Heretike the reason is euident for the rule square that Protestantes and Puritans both hold to know an heresie is this whatsoeuer is contrarie to Gods word is an heresie if it be obstinatly defended but all the foresaid seauen points in controuersie are by the one part prooued contrarie to Gods word and by the other auouched to bee grounded vpon the same therefore we may well conclude that if one error in faith with obstinacie defended sufficeth to make an heretike what shal we iudge of the Puritane who so manly defendeth so many Sure this I will auerr that they differ in substance of Religion and not onely in accidents and ceremonies And finally they haue no argument to prooue that they haue the true Church true Religion true faith which all heretikes which euer were wil not bring to condemne the Church as well as they For example they alleadge Scriptures so did the Arrians they contemne Councels the Arrians did not regard them they challenge to themselues the true interpretation the same did all heretikes to this day And to conclude they call themselues the little flocke of Christ to whome God hath reuealed his truth and illumited them from aboue all which the Donatists with as good reason and better arguments did arrogate vnto themselues The same I say of Pelagians Nestorians Eutychians with all the rabble of other damned heretikes And to conclude these articles of faith I say that if the principles of the Protestants religion be true Saint Paul himselfe exhorteth vs to infidelity which I proue thus Whosoeuer exhorteth vs to doubt of that which we are bound to beleeue by faith exhorteth to
Presbyterum conuiuio secundarum nuptiarum interesse non debere maxime cum paecipiatur secundis nuptiis poenitentiam tribuere A priest ought not to be present at the feast of second marriages specially because he is commanded to appoint Distiâ—st cap. 20 de libellis penance to second mariages This councell although it were prouinciall was confirmed by Pope Leo the fourth as appeareth by Gratian and the Papists hold that prouinciall Sozom. lib. 4. cap. 17. councels confirmed by the Pope cannot erre The councel of Ariminum wherin were assembled aboue foure hundred Bishoppes horribly erred in maintaining the blasphemous doctrine of Arius The like did the Councels of Millaine Seleucia and of Tyrus The second Councell of Ephesus erred and maintained the false doctrine of Eutycheâ— These councels the Papists confesse to haue erred and why because they were not allowed and confirmed by the Bishoppe of Rome A simple and shamelesse shift as though the Bishop of Rome had in those daies power either to call or confirme Councels any more then the other Patriarks had In that second Councell of Nice most vnlike vnto the first not onely the wicked worshipping of Images was allowed and the Scriptures for the confirmation therof most shamefully abused and detorted as appeareth by the said corrupt councell and Caluin and Caluin Instit lib. 1. cap. 11. Sec. 14. Mart. Ciâ—mni exam Concil Tridet part 4. de imagine Action 5. Mart. Chemnicius haue largely shewed but also in the same was decreed that the Angels haue bodies and that the soule of man is corporall and therefore they may bee painted the which be soule errors If you will not allow the worshipping of Images to be an errour then you cannot say but that the Councell of Constantinople vnder Leo the Emperour where were present 338. Bishops and another of Frankford vnder Charles the Great in which the worshipping of Images was condemned did erre Some of these Councels erred To omit for breuitie sake Platiâ—a in Stepha 6. many other Councells a Councell at Rome vnder Stephanus the sixth or as some reckon seuenth condemned Pope Formosus and his doings Another Councell at Rauenna vnder Pope Iohn the tenth restored Formosus and Platina in â—oan 10. condemned Stephen and the actes of his Councell I hope you will not or cannot say but that one of these Councels erred Another Councell at Rome vnder Pope Nicholas the second caused that excellent learned and godly De coÌ„se Inst 2. Ego Bereng Sâ—ss 13 man Berengarius to recant and to confesse that the very true body of Christ is indeed handled and broken by the Priests hands and torne wtth the teeth of faithfull people The which is a grosse false and blasphemous doctrine The Councell of Constance erred most wickedly in taking away the cuppe of the Lord from the lay people contrary to the word of God and the testimonie of all antiquitie And that their last Councell of Trident hath fouly erred and confirmed false doctrine repugnant to the truth of Gods word and the Canons of ancient Councells both these excellent learned men Martinus Chennicius Innocentius Gentilletus haue shee l and wee doe and will proue to the consciences of all those whom the God of this world hath not blinded I am not ignorant what coullors the Iesuite Bellarmine seeketh to cast vppon the foresaid errours of these Councels and such others and what simple shifts he seeketh to elude auoid them the which I wil not stand here to answer but I will referre the reader to the answers of Lamb. Danaeus and to that excellent man of blessed memory D. Wbitakers where hee may find the weakenesse and nakednesse of Bellarmines said shifts plainly discouered and the same fully confuted the which I thnke will stand as other of his workes haue done long vndefended Whereas you note in your margent the ancient Councels of Nice Constantinople Ephesus and Chalcedon wherin old heretikes were confuted and condemned and thereby claime them to appertaine to your Church I answer that as it is most certaine that those Councels were not called nor gouerned and directed by the Bishops of Rome as now by vsurpation they are so you shall neuer proue that those Godly and learned fathers agreed with you in many great and principall points of Christian doctrine It were easie to shew that sundry things were condemned by them which be receiued and vsed by you And therefore you vainly brag of their names whose doctrine and proceedings you haue forsaken neither haue you so much by disputation in Councels as by cruel persecution through fire and fagot suppressed such as in all ages haue complained of your idolatry and abominations as plainely appeareth by histories As it is true that we admit the holy Scripture or rather the holy Ghost speaking in the scripture to bee the supreme vmpier and Iudge in matters of controuersies and acknowledge him to be the onely infallible interpreter of his own words so is it false that we admit no other iudge but remit all to euery mans priuate spirit and singular exposition We say that as the holy Ghost in the Scriptures is the high infallible iudge and interpreter of the Scriptures so we acknowledge inferiour Iudges and interpreters both priuate and publike Euery man is a priuate iudge to discerne and iudge of the doctrine which he heareth or readeth in the Scriptures So Saint Paul saith I 1. Cor 10. 15. 1. Ioâ— 4. 1. Ibid. 14. 29. 1. Thess 5. 20. speake as vnto wise men iudge ye what I say Let the Prophets speake two or three and let the other Iudge Despise not prophecying Try al things keep that which is good Abstain froÌ„ al apperance of euill Beloued beleeu not euery spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God The spirituall man iudgeth all 1. Cor. 2. 15. Heb. 5. 14 Iohn 10. 5. things Good Christians ought to haue their wits excersised to discerne both good and euill The true sheepe of Christ heare and know his voycâ— and they will not follow a stranger but they flye from him for they know not the voyce of strangers whereby our Sauiour christ sheweth that those which bee his sheepe and bee truly gathered into his fold can iudge and discerne betweene his voye sounding in the Scriptures and the voyce of strangers deliuering a strange doctrine differing and dissenting from the same such is the false doctrine of the Church of Rome Wee also admit publike iudges of controuersies both seuerally as learned Bishops Pastors and Doctors who may giue their sentences and iudgements in matters in question and coniunctly when they bee assembled in Synodes and Councels to examine questions of greater difficultie and to decide the same Howbeit their iudgements be not infallible Psal 11 6. for all men be lyars and subiect to ignorance and errour neither haue they any absolute power and authoritie to iudge after their owne spirit or mind but according to
1. subcribe vnto and approue that which hereof both Bishoppe Iewell did write heretofore and Doctor Abbot of late in his answer to D. Bishoppes Epistle 55. 4. Page 33. and 55. 18. Page 142. c. to whose learned writings by publike authoritie published I doe for shortnes sake referre the reader Of your fifth matter I haue intreated sufficiently before and it hath bene deliuered by Doctor Fulke others with approbation of publike authoritie If any singular person hold any singular opinion dissenting from the same it ought not to praeiudice the doctrine generally receiued and approued in the Church Yea this doctrine is not disliked by your Angelicall doctor Thomas de Aquino as you may read Sum. part 3. Quest 46. The same I say of your sixth concerning Christs discending into hell in the expositioÌ„ whereof if there be some diuersity among vs there is the like in the followers and fauourers of the Church of Rome as I haue shewed before of Durandus picus Mirandula to whome may bee added the aforesaid Ibid. quest 52. Thomas Aquinas Concerning the seuenth doctrine which you obiect I doe neither know nor you by any proofe do shew any difference to be among vs. We al do accknowledge and beleeue Christ to be the Sonne of the Father and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God of him-selfe as Epiphanius saith and is before declared And as Bellarmine dare not condemne Contro 2. lib. 2. ca. 19 our doctrine herein vttered by Caluin but cauilleth at the matter of his speech So his brother Gregorie de Valentia a Iesuit approueth it saying filius Lib. 1. de Trinita cap. 2. lib. 2 cap. 17. vt est persona est ex alio vt simplicissimum ens non est ex alio The sonne in respect of his person is of an other Viz the Father in respect of his most simple essence is not of an other You say that you omitte many â—o petty differences in matters of faith c. The which as you would not haue spared if you could haue found them So you might haue omitted these before mentioned for any other proofe you haue made of them besides your bare worde or any truth that is contained in them Touching the doctrine of Baptisme you would faine finde a knot in a rush a difference where none is We all beleeue that Baptisme is a seale of Gods couenant with vs in Iesus Christ a sacrament of our regeneration in himâ— and that God in due time sometimes before and sometimes after Luk. 1. 15 Act. 10. 44 worketh inwardly by his spirit in his elect and chosen that which outwardly is signified Baptisme in purging them from the guiltines of their sinnes and sanctifying them to newnes of life But neither one nor other of vs beleeue that Baptisme doth ex opere operato purge and cleanse all that bee baptized Symon Magus was outwardly Act. 8. 13. baptized and yet remayned still in the gall of bitternes and bond of iniquitie If you know any diuersitie among vs herein name the persons set downe the places and carry not matters thus in a clowd to the diffaming of the faithfull and the deceiuing of your ouer affectionate fauourers and followers of you in your follies I know no Puritanes that condemne the communion booke as irreligious or erronious although some doe thinke of it as of translations that some imperfections be in it And hath not your Iupiter Capitolinus the Pope in reforming the Missals and Primers and in leauing out and altering sundry thinges that were in them confessed imperfections yea and corruptions to haue bene in them What hath bin the iudgement of your owne Catholikes of Espen in Com. in 1. Timoth. di gres l. p 22. ex â—dan lib. 3. de interpret Scrip. cap. 3. them appeareth by these wordes of Espenseus Lindanus proponit Episcopi Lugdunensiis quaerelam de Missalibus c. Lindan propoundeth the complaint of the Bishop of Lions for the purging of Missals and Antiphonaries saying wee haue corrected the Antiphonarie by cutting away such thinges as seemed to be superfluous false and blasphemous Which Bishop saith Lindan if he did see our Missals and Antiphonaries O good GOD With what name would he paint or call them in which secret prayâ—rs be defiled with most filthy faultes But our sinnes doe not suffer any amendment by the fault of the Bishoppes which are slacke heerein Heereby you may see what was the iudgement of three of your owne Catholike Bishoppes of your missalls and other bookes of diuine seruice Sette downe if you canne the names of any of them whome you call Puritanes that haue so sharpely censured the Communion booke and haue charged it with such filthy faultes as these Popish prelates haue imputed to your Masse-bookes c. The signe of the Crosse in Baptisme is a matter in comparison of matters of faith and saluation of small moment the which though some refuse as not commanded in the word of GOD and greatly by you abused to Idolatry and sorcery yet it is in our CHVRCH retained not as appartayning to the substance of Baptisme or that the want of it doth any thing derogate from the perfection of Baptisme but as an ancient ceremony which long and vniuersally hath beene retained in the Church of GOD. Concerning confirmation I knowe none but that as they doe all with one mouth and hart condemne your making of it without any warrant of Gods word a Sacrament and your attributing more vertue to it then to Baptisme your defiling of it with superstitious ceremonies so they do in vnitie of Spirite acknowledge it to be a good and lawdable order in the Church for children after they haue beene baptised and so well instructed in the Principles of christian religion that they be able in some good measure to render an accompt of their faith to be by imposition of handes confirmed that is approued and admitted to the receauing of the holy Sacrament of Christs Supper Touching the vse of Surplesses organs c. in diuin seruice I say that men may differ in opinions of these things and agree in vnity of faith and knowledge of the sonne of God Socrates before named saith well 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. No religion obserueth the same rites although they embrace the same doctrine for they that bee of the same faith doe differ amongst them-selues concerning rites and ceremonies If Saint Peter after hee had receaued miraculoufly the guift and graces of the holy Ghost was not fully perswaded of the abrogation of the ceremonies of the law and the vocation of the gentils it is no maruaile if men now nothing to be compared to him be not fully perswaded of externall ceremonies and orders although they be throughly setled in the truth of the doctrine of faith Thus these seauen differences with the rest by you set downe wee haue examined and find them light vpon the ballance And although you auerre much yet
you prooue little The GOD of patience and consolation giue vnto Rom. 15 5. vs and you that wee may bee like minded one towards an other according to Christ Iesus that we may all with one minde and one mouth praise God euen the Father of our Lord Iesus Christ Amen Whereas you say that we haue no argument to prooue that we haue the true Church true religion and true faith but such as al heretikes haue euer vsed I answere that wee haue that argument and proofe for these things which although Heretikes haue falsely pretended as popish heretikes now do yet the Godly learned Fathers haue sincerely vsed And that is the holy word of God the only touchstone of truth and piller of the Church for as the Church 1. Tim. 3. 15 in one respect is the piller of truth as Saint Paul saith so in another the truth is the piller and prop of the Church as Chrysost in illum locum ho mil. 11. Math. 4. 4 7 10. Math. 19. 4. ibid. 22 29. Luk. 24. 27. 32 44 46 Rom. 1 2. 3 21. 4 3. Chrysostom saith For by what meanes els haue the Godly and learned Fathers in all ages confuted heresies and proued the Church but by the scriptures by them our Sauiour Christ foyled the diuell and put him to flight By them he answered the Pharisies By them he confuted the Sadduces By them he proued himselfe to be the promised Messias and Sauiour of the world By them Saint Paul confirmed the Gospel which he preached By them hee perswaded the Iewes those things which concerned Christ Iesus both out of the Law of Moses and out of the Act. 21. 23. ibid. 18 2 8 Prophets By them Apollos confuted the Iewes with great vehemencie shewing by the Scriptures that Iesus was the Christ By them the Godly and learned Fathers confuted and confounded the Arians and other Heretikes whom you here name as by their bookes and particular sayings it euidently appeareth Athanasius speaking of the Godly Athanas de de cretis Nicen. Synod pag. 528 decrees of the councell of Nice against the Arians writeth thus Atque harum rerum non aliunde nos quà m ex scripturis persuasionem habemus that is We be perswaded of these things by no other meanes but by the Scriptures Epiphanius saith In Scripturis sanctis Trinttas nobit Epipâ— contra pâ—â—umaiomachos haeres 7â— annuÌ„tiatur ac creditur citra curiositatem c. The Trinity is in the holy Scriptures preached vnto vs without curiositie beleued And that by theÌ„ al doctrines are to be confirmed al errors and heresies to be confuted they plainely and plentifully shew Tertullian saith that if Heretikes Tertul. lib de resurrec carnes Eâ—iph contra pâ—ulum Samosa haeres 66 Basii epist 80. bee brought to examine and try their questions onely by the Scriptures they cannot stand Epiphanius saith that wee are not to discusse questions by our owne wittes and reasons Sedex Scripturarum consequentia By the consequeÌ„ce of the Scriptures Saint Basil saith Let vs stand to the arbitrement of the Scripture inspired of God and with whome bee found doctrines agreeable to those diuine words let the truth be iudged to be with them Constantine sayd vnto the Bishoppes in the Nicene Councell The Euangelicall and Apostolicall bookes and the Oracles of the Theod. lib. 8. cap. 7 sol 284. Prophets doe plainely instruct vs of GOD wherefore laying away all enimitie and discord let vs take the explication or resolution of the questions in controuersie out of those saying inspired of GOD. So saith Saint Augustine Verum nos sacris literis accommodemus auditum c. August in Euang Ioan. tract 60. August de cura pro mortuis cap. 2. Let vs hearken vnto the holy Scriptures and according to them let vs helpe by the grace of God to dissolue this question And againe Non secunduÌ„ opinionem c. We must consider of this matter not according to yâ— commoÌ„ opinion but according to the holy Scriptures of our religion And of yâ— Church he saith thus Sed vtrum ipsi ecclesiam De vnitate ecclesiae cap. 16. teneant non nisi diuinarum ScripturaruÌ„ canonicis libris ostendant but whether they haue yâ— church let them shew by no other meanes but by the Canonical books of the diuine Scriptures Chrysostom saith yâ— we cannot know Chrisostom in Math. Homil. 44. which is the true Church of Christ Nisi tantummodo per Scripturas but onely by the Scriptures Therefore by the Scriptures proue your doctrine and shew your Church Math 4. But you say the Arians others Heretikes alleadged the Scriptures whereunto I adde that so did the Diuel also but in such sort as you and your fellowes doe in mangling them falsly expounding and applying them as I haue in some part before shewed I am conteÌ„t to ioyne this issue with you that they with be proued to depraue detort mangle and falsly expound and apply the scriptures be heretikes and to bee condemned with these old heretikes whome you here name To whome whether you or we bee more like let the vpright Reader indifferently iudge The Arians seeing that they could haue nothing out of the Scriptures fled as Athanasius saith vnto the Fathers and euen so do you The Arians vsed subtill distinctions Athanas tomâ— 2. to elude and shift of the truth and so do you They denied the person of Christ and you deny the office of Christ in not acknowledging him to be our onely Prophet and teacher whose onely voyce wee must heare and obey nor the only King and head of his Church nor our onely high Priest with the sweet smelling sacrifice of himselfe once for euer offered to redeeme and reconcile vs vnto God nor our only mediator to make intercession for vs. The Arians did cruelly persecute the true Christians Ruffin lib. 1. cap. 17. Socrates lib. 1. cap. 17. zozo in lib. 4. cap. 27. Gregor Nazi anz artic ad Arianos and so do Papists when power is in their hand to doe it The Arians when they could not preuaile against that excellent man Athanasius fell to raile vpon him and to slaunder him accusing him of adulterie murther and sorcerie and euen so do you now deale with such as for their godlinesse and learning may well bee compared with Athanaesiuâ— I meane especially Caeluin whome the Author of that vnlearned libell and beastly booke intituled A quartron of reasons of Catholike religion c. is not ashmed 5. reasoÌ„ pa. 30. to call a seare backt Priest for Sodomie O thou shamelesse man or rather monsterlart thou not ashamed to slaunder and belie such a man of whome they that knew him did truly write of him ipsâ— Ã quo potuit virtutem discere virtus Theo Beza that euen virtue it selfe might as it were haue learned vertue of him How doest thou know that Caluin was such a man I assure my selfe
nor more griefe to all good men than that blot of the filthines of Priests Wherefore peraduenture it were expedient both for the Christian common wealth and the estate of that order of Priesthood that at the last the right of publike marriage were restored to Priests which they might holyly vse without infamie rather then most filthily defile themselues with such a natural vice Such a loosenes and filthines of life this doctrine of vowing chastitie and forsaking matrimony hath brought forth whereof much more might be alleaged but this shall suffice Yet herevunto I wil adde not only their practise but also their doctrine of hauing Lupanaria stewes where whoredome is publikely permitted for the restoring of which Fryer Perine preached at Paules Crosse in Queene Maries daies CoÌ„sut Apolog. and D. Harding calleth them necessary euills And if it were not the doctrine of the Church of Rome to allow them neither would they haue so long permitted them nor Sixtus the fourth would haue built Nobile Lupanar a noble brothell house in Rome as before I alleaged out of Cornelius Agrippa In these places what filthinesse and incest and what murders were committed God knowweth and auncient men may somewhat remember God saith There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel nor Deut. 23. 17. whorekeeper of the sonnes of Israel Another doctrine of theirs tending to loosenesse and wickednesse of life is their doctrine of Popes pardons whereby they falsely faine that the Pope hauing the merites of Martyrs which they cal the treasure of the Church to dispense and bestowe at his pleasure hee can pardon whatsoeuer sinne men haue committed and acquit and discharge them both à poena culpa that is from the sin and punishment which is more by their doctrine then the death passioÌ„ of Christ can do What miserable mischiefe hath flowed from these pelting pardons of Popes from which the ruine of their kingdome hath iustly proceeded By Luthers dealing against them I will declare out of the words of the Princes and estates of Germany in their 100. grieuances exhibited to the Popes Legat at Norenberg anno 1522. printed at Colen anno In fasciculo â—erum expeteÌ„â—arum fol. â—77 Grauamen 3. 1533. In the third grieuance be these words Illud importabile iam olim increbuit Romanarum indulgentiarum onus c That importable burdenâ— of Romish pardons hath now a long time increased when vnder the pretence of pietie either for building of Churches in Rome or that the Bishoppes of Rome promised a voyage against the Turke they sucked all the marrow of money from the simple and euer credulous Germaines And that which is much more to be regarded by these deceits the publishers and Preachers of them the true godlines of Christians is abolished whilest they to broach the sale of these their buls and pardons giue praise vnto their wares that by these bought pardons greate and strange offences both which be past and that are to come not onely of the liuing but also of the dead being in the fire of Purgatorie as these publishers of pardons call it bee pardoned so that money bee paid and that it tiâ—gle in their right hand by the sale and merchandise of this ware both Germany of money is spoyled Christian godlines is extinguished when euery one according to the quantitie which hee bestoweth vppon this ware doth take vnto himselfe libertie and impunitie to sinne Hence whoredome incest adulterieâ—s periurie murther theft robberies vsury and an whole heape of mischiefes haue proceeded and taken their beginning For what mischiefes will men bee affraid to committe when they bee once perswaded that they obtaine by money of these brokers and pardoning pedlers licence and impunitie to sinne not onely in this life but also after their death c by these words it doth euidently appeare to what loosenesse of life and manifold mischiefes this doctrine did tend a Alphons de cast lib 8. Duran in lib. 4 dist â—0 quaest 3 Antoni 1. parte summae titul 10 capâ— 3. some Papistes themselues confesse to haue no warrant of the Scriptures b Iohn Maior in 4. sent dist 20. quaest 2. Onus â—â—â—les cap. 15. fol. 26. and other some affirme such pardons as be graunted for twenty thousand yeeres to be superstitious and foolish I might speake much of this matter but at this time I will conclude it with two sayings the one contained in a booke printed at Colen anno 1531. Intituled Onus Ecclesiae wherein after great complaint of these pardons and of the wickednesse that proceeded of them be these words Illi autem indulgentiarum buccinatores omnimoÌ„dam promittunt securitatem quae parit negligentiam negligentia offensam Dei These publishers of pardons doe promise all manner of securitie which breedeth negligence and negligence the offence of God The other is in the treatise I named before in the second Tome of the Councels called Opusâ—ul Tripart â—om â— Concil â—art 3. Pag. â—00 2 Opusculum Tripartitum in these words Item habent breuia quae relâ—qunt in singulis parochijs in quibus continentur indulgentiae quod mirantur boni viri Si vnquam de conscientia papae vell etiam alicuius boni viri potuerunt illa procedere They haue also briefes which they leaue in euery parish in which such pardons be graunted that good men doe maruell that euer they could proceede from the conscience of the Pope or any good man The doctrine of the Popes dispensations to what loosenes and wickednes of life did it tend First hereby inâ—est was committed as before I shewed how Pope Martin Phil Comines de belâ—o nâ—opo lib. 5. P. 626. Sleydaâ—â— lib. 25. 5. gauea dispensation to one to marry his owne Sister Ferdinandus a King of Naples married his Aunt Emanuell King of Portingale married two Sisters So did also Sigismundus King of Polonia Anno Domini 1553. Sigismundus also now King of Polonia this last yeare married Sleda lib. 25. Gotardi Arthâ—s Mer. Galobell Anno. 1606. pag 95. his former wiues Sister King Henry the eight maried Catheriâ—ne his brothers widdow and lately Maximilian the Emperors daughter was married to King Philip of Spaine her Vncle of whome he begat this present King Thâ—se and many such other were not done without the Popes dispensation So Bonifâ—cius a Bishop of Germany in one Epistle to Pope Zachary sheweth how a great man by the Popes dispensation marryed his Vncles widdow Tâ—m 2. concil pag. â— 47. Fabi. 7. parte in Charles 5. pag 189. Vide Rob. Giguinum lib 8 fol 133. Fabian our English Chronicler who liued somewhat before Luther writeth that Charles the fift the French King did by the dispensation of Pope Iohn 22. put away Blanch his wife because her mother was his Godmother and afterward was by the same Pope dispensed with to marry his Cosin Germaine Many Kings by meanes of such dispensation bought of the Pope for
heresie to whom you seeke to liken vs first I answere generally that neither whatsoeuer an heretike hath holden is to be counted heresie for there hath beene no heretike but he hath held some truth nor whatsoeuer a Godly father of the church hath maintained is to be esteemed for truth and verity for it is not vnknowne that the ancient Godly fathers had their infirmities and were subiect to some errors The which although by particuler examples might be declared yet at this present I will spare them Therefore a doctrine is not simply either to be reiected because an Heritike held it nor to bee imbraced because a Godly father maintained it But if it be agreeable to the word of God it is to be receiued if it dissent from it though an Angell from heauen deliuer it wee are to refuse it But Epiph heress 75. Augu. de her cap. 53. perticulerly to come to those persons here named I doe confesse that Aerius was an Heretike in maintayning the horrible heresie of Arius wherewith Epiphanius and Augustine do charge him But whereas they did obiect vnto him the denying of praier for the dead first I say that they doe not conuince and confute him by the scriptures And therefore let this Gentlewoman or some of her fauorers performe that which they haue ommitted and plainely proue this doctrine of praying for the dead by the holie canonicall scriptures and then wee will grant the deniall of it to be an herisie and Aerius for the same to haue beene an Heritike Secondly I say that that praier for the dead which Epiphanius and Augustine do meane neither doth prooue purgatorie nor is the same which the Papists doe Heres 75. now vse Epiphanius rendring a reason of their praiets for the dead doth not say that they praied for them that they might haue remission of such sinnes as were not here forgiuen them nor to make satisfaction for their sinnes and to release them out of the paines of purgatory for the Greeke Church whereof Epiphanius was neuer to this daie beleeued purgatorie but hee giueth this reason thereof that they which bee aliue should thinke and hope that they which bee departed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Conses lib. de cap. 12 c. hence do liue and are not perished but bee and liue with God but they that bee and liue with God be in heauen and not in purgatory So Saint Augustine praied for his mother and yet beleeued that shee was in heauen so Saint Ambrose praied for Theodosius the Emperor and yet assured himselfe of his saluation For these be his words of him Absolutus certamime fruitur nunc Theodosius luce perpetua c. Theodosius beeing now freed from fight enioyeth eternall light continuall tranquility and glory in assemblie of the Saints Then Theodosius was not in purgatory The ancient Church also praied for the Virgine Lituâ—g Christ Mary for the Patriarkes Prophets Apostles and Martirs whom I hope this Catholike gentlewoman will not beleeue to haue beene in purgatory And therefore that kinde of praier for the dead which in the ancient Church was vsed was rather a commemoration of them and thanksgiuing for them then a petition to deliuer them from the fained fire of purgatory and so prooueth neither pick purse purgatorie nor that popish praier for the dead which is now vsed and maintained And thus much touching Aerius You also say that you haue beene told that Vigilantius was aboue a thousand yeares past condemned for an Hetike for denying praier vnto Saints But take heede you bee not ouer oredulous lightly to beleeue whatsoeuer a prating Priest or iugling Iesuite doth tell you lest you be deceiued as Eua was You should haue demanded how and where it doth appeare that Vigilantius was condemned for an Heritike for denying praier vnto Saintes Neither Epiphanius nor Augustine in their bookes of heresies doe condemne him or make mention of him Indeede Saint Hierome did write a bitter booke against him which I haue twise read ouer Yet cannot I perceiue that hee chargeth him with denying praier vnto Saintes neither doth Hierome make any defence thereof but seemeth rather to maintaine the contrary Affirming in these word that Martires are not to be worshipped Quis O insanum Hier. Contra. Vilgilani caput Mâ—rtires aliquando adorauit 1. For who oh thou foolish head at any time hath worshipped Mâ—rtires Indeede I confesse that Vigilantius denied that the Saints in heauen praied for vs one earth the which Saint Hierome aloweth But it is one thing for the Saints in heauen to pray for vs and another for vs to pray vnto them Though the former could bee prooued as by the holy scriptures it cannot yet the other is not there vpon to be inferred or graunted Lastly I say that if Vigilantius whom many Bishoppes of his time did fauour did deny praier to Saints yet vntill you haue effectually both confuted my reasons afore set downe and proued your doctrine by the scriptures wee will neither condemne it for Heresie nor count him therefore an Heretike As touching the Nouatian heretikes who denied repentance to them that after baptisme did fall wee abhorre their heresie and wish that the papists were as free from the poyson of them as we be The Nouatians gloried in their merites and so doe the Papists The Nouatians condemned second marriages and so doe Papistes in some in that one may not bee a priest that hath beene twise married The Nouatians re-baptised those that after Baptisme did fall and publikely offend and so doe papists in corners baptise such as haue beene baptized in our Churches which is an error condemned aboue a thousand yeares agoe You would haue vs to bee like Eustathius in denying pilgrimages to holy places But it will appeare that wee bee as vnlike as the papists bee like vnto him and in sundrie points doe ioyne hand in hand with him Sozomenus writeth of him that he was Monasticae Conuersationis Lib. 3 cap. 14. author 1. An author of Monastical life that is of Monkery And both there in an Epistle or preface before the CouÌ„sel called Gangrense in the which Eustathius and his doings Tom. 1. cons were condemned hee is charged with these things First that he had caused wiues to leaue their husbands and professe chastity wherevpon husbands and wiues sometimes fell into whoredome Secondly that dispising common vsuall garments he tooke new and strange habits Thirdly he caused seruants vnder a pretence of religion to forsake their Maisters and children their parents And women vppon the same pretence to sheare and cut of their haire Lastly that Priestes which were married were to bee despised and the Sacraments which they ministred were not to be touched Against this last error the fore-said Councell thus decreed Si quis cernit presbiterum coniugatum c. i. If Concil Gang. cap. 4. Tom. 1. Consil any make difference of a Priest that is married as though by
tom 2 and not able to proceed further in grace and that they neede neither praier nor fast nor bee subiect to law and carnall act no sinne hauing a desire thereto with other such like opinions Concilium viennense yet Martirs Iewell defence Apol. part 1. cap. 7. Diuision 3. speaking of the Albingenses saith of them we haue no skill they are none of ours But Maister Buckley doth say and hold that they were the true Church of God with much more pag. vt supra Therefore what godlines or goodnes maister Buckley hath red of them more then Iewell or Bishop Couper faine would I know vale in Christo I meane of the Albigenses and the rest Also D. Willet in his Trast pag. 113. of the latter editiâ—n calleth them heretikes I meane Begardy and D. Fulke answere to the Remis Rom. cap. 11. Sect. 3. commâ—ndeth the Waldenses c. Hitherto the words of the said paper which I receiued proceeding as it may seeme from some morrow masse-priest of more skill in his Portuise and masse-booke and better studied in Eliots and Coupers Dictonary then in other good authors The drift and scope thereof seemeth to be to shew a difference contradiction betwixt me and those reuerend and learned Bishops D. Couper and â—ewel for that I doe commend the Albigenses for faithfull and Godly men and holy Martiers and they in the opinion of this ignorant papist do seeme to mislike them I will first render â— reason of my good opinion conceiued of them and then I will indeuour to wipe away that fancie of contradiction which this man imagineth to bee be-twixt me and the forenamed reuerend and learned fathers I am mooued to thinke reuerently of that people called Albingenses and to commend them as witnesses of Gods truth First because the Pope of Rome whom wee Rad. Gualt Hom 5. de Antichri Lamb. Danaeus de Anticâ—ri Rob Abbot demonst de Antichristo D. Downam of Antichrist Gabr. Powel de Antichri Aduers haeres lib. 2. de commu here 's 7 Rob. Gaguin Hâ—sto lâ—b 6 Fascicul Temp fol. 77. Lib. 5. p. 458 charge to be the great Artichrist prophecied of by Saint Paule 2. Thess 2. and Saint Iohn in the Apocaplips of which imputation his followers and fauourers the Iebusites neither haue nor can discharge him did so cruellie persecute them and raise such bloudy warre against them Secondly for that it is certaine that these Albingenses so called of the countrie Albingens nere Tholosa where they inhabited as the Spanish frier Alphonsus de Castro writeth of them were the same which otherwise and els where were called Waldenses and Pauperes de Lugduno who were dispersed into sundrie countries as diuers Popish writers do confesse and hold the same doctrines that they did This is also confessed by that reuerend and learned maÌ„ Iacobus Aug. Thuanus praesident of the parliament of Paris in the first part of his excellent history And what their doctrines were none doth more effectually shew then doth Pope Pius the second in his History Aenaeas Siluy Histor Bohem. cap. 35. p. 103. of Bohemia attributing in these words these opinions vnto them That the Bishoppe of Rome is equall to other Bishops and Vide quoque Albert Krantii vandalia lib. 10. cap. 2. that there is no difference among Priests that not dignity but good life maketh a prasbiter or Priest the better that soules as soone as they depart out of the bodies be forthwith either cast into perpetuall paine or obtaine eternall ioy That no purgatory can be found that it is a vaine thing to pray for the dead and an inuention of couetous Priestes That the images of God and Saintes are to bee destroyed That the blessinge of water and palmes is to be derided That the orders of begging Freers were inuented by the diuell that Priests ought to be poore and be content onely with almes That the preaching of the word of God ought freely to be open to all That no capitall on great sinne ought to bee suffered for the auoyding of a greater euill That he which is guilty of deadly sin ought not to enioy either secullar or Ecclesiasticall dignity nor to be obeied That confirmation with oile extreame Vnction are not to be counted amongst the Sacraments of the Church That auricular confession is friuolous and that it is sufficient for men to confesse their sinnes vnto God in their chamber That baptisme is to be vsed in water without mixture of hollowed oile That the vse of Church-yardes was vaine and brought in for couetousnee sake and that it maketh noe matter with what earth mens bodies be couered That the world is the temple of God who is in al places that doe they restraine his maiesty which build Churches Monasteries and oratories as though his diuine goodnes and mercy were to be found sooner in them then in other places That the robes of Priests ornamentes of Altars palles Corporasses Chalices Patens and other vessels are of no valew That a Priest may in any place and at all times consecrat the holy body of Christ and minister it to them that doe require it that it is sufficient for him only to vse the sacrameÌ„tal words That the praiers of Saints raigning with Christ in heauen are in vaine prayed for and cannot helpe vs. That the time is euill spent in singing or saying Canonicall seruice or praiers That men ought to cease from their labours vpon no day but vpon that which is now called the Lords day and that the feastes of Saintes are to be reiected That there is no merit or goodnesse in the fastes which be appointed by the Church These be the doctrines which the Pope imputeth to the Waldenses Now when any of you shall effectually proue by the word of GOD the most and chiefe of these doctrines for some seeme to bee more hardly set downe by this their aduersary then they did meane them to be errours and heresies then I will confesse my selfe to haue beene deceiued and both the Waldenses and Albingenses to haue beene iustly reputed for heretikes And that the Albingenses ioyned with the Waldenses in these doctrines although it bee the harder to shew because it appeareth that the Pope and his followers were very carefull to suppresse their doctrines and to keepe them from the knowledge of the people as Robert Gaguine In Philip August Lib. 6. fol. â—04 the French historiographer sheweth in that no writer before his time which hee did know had committed them to writing for whereas saith he they call them haeretikes and doe declare that for that offence they were destroyed yet they haue lette passe to shew the kinde of their haeresie By this their polliticke concealing of their doctrines it seemeth that they did to neerely touch the Popes triple Crowne and too much did shake the cuppe of his abhominations where-with hee hath made Kinges and nations drunken Notwithstanding by some writers it appeareth what their doctrines
and Papistes thought well of Pope Formosus whome other Popes did malitiously and dispitefully vse being dead Some papists thought well of them that were called â—agellantes whome others condemned and punished for â—uill dooers Vide paralip Abbaâ— vâ—spâ—rg pag 369. Pope Alexander the 6. and others burned at Florence Hierom Saoaâ—orola whome both Phillip Comineus and Antonius Falminius accompted for a holy man â—aminius fine verses in commendation of him worthy to be reade Anno. 1497. I haue thought good to set downe Dum fâ—ra flamma tuos Hieroni me pascitur artus Religio sâ—nctas dilaniata câ—mas Fleuit â—t ô dixit crudeles parcite flammae parite sâ—nt isto viscera nostra rogo But to omit this I cannot omit to shew the grosse ignorance of this blinde Papist in saying that these Albingenses began by Tolousa in France the yeare of our Lord 120. I graunt that it is so in the said fiâ—st edition of Sir Thomas Eliotâ— Dictionary and continued in the other editions following But I cannot so much attribute so grosse an ouersight and error to Sir Thomas Eliot being a learned man as to the negligence â—ther of the writer or printer which faulte by them might easely be committed for whereas this number in the said first edition is set downe in these figures 120. they might easely omit the figure in the fourth place So that Maister Eliot setting iâ— downe 1120. they might either write or print 120. But this man of purpose alleaging it might if all his Historicall learning had not beene contained in the sad dictionary haue easely espied and amended this fault for most certaine it is that noe auncient writer neere an 120 yeares after Christ or diuers hundreth yeares after doth make any mention of a people called Albiâ—genses and noted for religon The first mention that I find of them or that this man with al his companions can shew is in the raigne Rob. Gâ—gâ—iâ— lâ—b 6. of Phillip surnamed Augustus King of France who entred into his Kingdome in the yeare of our Lord 1181. Matheus Bâ—roaldus atâ—rybuteth their time to the thirtieth yeare of the said King which was in the yeare 1210. and many popish writers declare that they were persecuted and destroyed by the procurement of Pope Innocent the third who entred into his Papacie in the yeare 1199. This I confesse that as the errours which the Albinggenses impugned and abhorred were not in the yeare of Christ 120. by the Diuell hatched and broched so the true doctrine which they maintained and for the same constantly suffered was then of the faithful professed and before by our Sauiour Christ and his Apostles published But that they were then knowne by this name none but such a blind buzard as this is would euer affirme And such blind guides they deserue to haue to be led by them vnto perdition that wilfully shutte their eyes against the light of Gods truth which might shine to their saluation if their eyes were open to see it their hearts to receiue and beleeue it Concerning them that were called Begardi to whome this man out of lying Prateolus and other mallicious enemies attributeth false and wicked opinions abhorred by vs I will shew what hath and doth moue me to thinke also of them as witnesses of GODS truth I doe nothing doubt but these called by some writers Begardi were the same which others do call Pychardâ— Now what opinions these Pychardâ— did hold Ioannes Slechta Kostelecius a learned Bohaemian and Papist declareth in an epistle to Erasmus in these words Tertia secta est eorum quos Inter epist Erasmus lib. 12. pag 464. scripta 10. Octob. 1519. vocaâ—t Pyghardos c. The third sect is of them whome they call Pyghardi so he writeth them who were so named of a Fugitiue of the same nation Picardie in France that comming hither about 97. yeares past when Iohn Zisca a sacriligeous wicked man made war against the So vntruly hee termeth him ecclesiastical persons and whole Clergie and spoiled their goods this man being ioined to him infected with pestiferous doctrines both the Captaine him-selfe and all the whole armie which he had gathered of theeues murthertherers So they call them but cannot so proue them outlawed and other dregges of wicked men which continued vnto the time of King Vladislaus who of late yeares died and vnder him greatly increased for he being King of Hungary and abiding there more then in Bohemia had small care what was done there so that al his subiects did liue in peace These men did accoumpt the Pope Cardinals Bishoppes and other Ecclesiasticall parsons for manifest Antichristes they called the Pope sometimes the beast and sometimes the whore spoken of in the Apocalips and that they doing all thinges against the Doctrine and tradition of Christ they could doe nothing of any authority or vertue in Gods seruice but that whatsoeuer proceeded from their seruice was neither holy nor sacramentes nor blessings but meere execrations abhominations and curses These men chuse for themselues for Bishops and Priestes Lay men rude and voyd of learning hauing wiues and children they call and salute one an other by the name of brothers and sisters They receiue onely the authority of the old and new Testament of the Scriptures They contemne all old and new Doctors nor attribute any thing to their doctrine Their Priestes when they say Masse doe it without any Priestly garments nor therein vse any praiers besides the Lords praier wherewith they consecrate the bread being leauened They beleeue almost little or nothing of the Sacraments of the Church They that receiue their heresie are caused to be rebaptized in simple water neither blessing salt nor water nor vsing any consecrate oyle They beleeue that the dâ—ity is not in the Sacrament of the Eucharist but affirme that ther is onely bread and wine consecrate representing by certaine sercet signes the death of Christ and that therefore all that bow their knees and kneele before it or worshippe it be Idolaters seeing that Sacrament was not ordained by Christ to any other end but to put vs in remembrance of his passion and not to be carried vp and downe hether and thether nor to be lifted vp of the Priest and shewed to the people because that Christ him-selfe who is to bee adored and worshipped with the worship of Latria sitteth at the right hand of the father as the Church of Christ confesseth in the Creed They accoumpt praiers to Saintes and for the dead to be a vaine and ridiculous thing in like manner Auriculare confession and penance inioyned by Priestes for sinne They affirme vigils and fastes to be but counterfeyt couerings of hypocrites and that the holy daies of the virgin Mary of the Apostles and other Saintes are but the inuention of idle parsons and they onely keepe the Lords daies and the feast of the Natiuitie of Christ of Easter and Whitsontide c. Hetherto the words of