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A91468 Goliahs head cut off with his own sword; in a combat betwixt little David, the young stripling, who stands in the power and strength of his God, and great Goliah the proud boaster, who stands in his own strength, glorifying in the arm of flesh, and contemning and despising little David, because of his youth. In a reply to a book, set forth by an un-named author, under pretence of an answer to thirty six queries, propounded by James Parnell, whom he in scorn calls, the young Quaker. And also an answer to severall counter-queries, propounded by the same unnamed authour, whom I understand to be one Thomas Draton, a teacher of the world, at Abbey Rippon, in Huntingtonshire, ... and also he that takes his part, who writes himself W.P. who knowes not the power of God, and therefore glories in the length of time, and the multitude of years. ... / Given forth from the spirit of the Lord in the behalf of Israel against the armies of the aliens, who muster up themselves against the Lord, and his authority: by a friend to the common-wealth of Israel, who is known to the world, by the name James Parnel. Who is a sufferer in outward bonds, for the testimony of the everlasting truth, in Colchester Castle. 1655. Parnell, James, 1637?-1656. 1655 (1655) Wing P531; Thomason E861_1; ESTC R203310 65,568 94

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will deny the profitableness of your teaching for like people like Priest Hos 4.9 2 Tim. 4.3 as the Prophet said and you are the heaps of teachers that deceive the world and draw itching eares after you who cannot endure sound Doctrine with your fained entising words of mens wisdom but the Teacher of the true Church is but one which is its head even Christ who speaks with Power and Authority and not as you Scribes whose teaching is a profitable teaching as is much witnessed in these latter dayes Mat. 7.29 to your great shame and grief who have been the professed Teachers of the Church of England this many years neither doth any of these Scritpures prove that ever Christ or his Apostles took a Text of Scripture and by humane art and study did raise Uses Points Trialls and Motives as you do which is a commendable teaching 1 Cor. 1.18 1 Cor. 2.4 by the wise ones of the world who know not the wisdom of God but to them the preaching of the Crosse is foolishness as was accounted amongst the Greeks because the Apostle came not with entising words of mens wisdom as you do to please men but in plainness of speech spoke the word of the Lord faithfully and also said If he yet sought to please men he should not be the Servant of Christ Gal. 1.10 but this is all your care whose trust is in man and not in Christ and in all those Scriptures when Christ or his Apostles spoke of a Text of Scripture out of the old Testament it was to shew the fulfilling thereof or to witness to what they had said but you will take these Scriptures for to give your carnall meanings and interpretations of them and so from them speak a divination of your own brain for gain and lucre and this is the use you make of these points as thou calles them which the Scriptures before mentioned will not at all maintain and yet thou canst impudently quote this Scripture in Mat. 6.25.34 which forbids taking thought what to eat what to drink and wherewithall to be cloathed when it is so publickly known that it is your greatest care and that which thou hast been here much labouring to maintain all along to prove it lawful for thee to take nigh 200. or 300. pounds by the year of the world yea and for a Law to compell them if they refuse to give it and yet thou art not ashamed to say that thou dost not go in the way of Balaam for gifts and rewards and the chiefest Scripture which thou hast here quoted will witness against thee as 2 Tim. 3.16 17. which saith the Scripture was given by inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for reproof for correction and instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be perfected throughly furnished unto every good work but thou hates to be reproved and calles them foul-mouthed currs and the like that do reprove thee and thou teachest for Doctrine the traditions of men as to call a house of Lime and Stone a Church and the like as is before proved And how have you by all your Doctrines reproof correction and instruction this many years perfected any when as the professors therein are earthly minded as thou sayst P. Ans and you that are therefore Teachers the most of all and most of you denies perfection in this life and though thou with thy tongue profess it yet in life denies it which is worst of all and so I take thee and though thou hast been so pleading for thy way yet thou sayst you would change it for a better if any can shew it you and make your hearers beleive that it would be more advantages for them but thou saist this trade of interpreting the Scripture is an old and a good trade which to prove thou quotes Iob. 33.23 Psal 10.2 3. Pro. 1.6 Act. 8.3 Here thou blind guide Reply thy nakednesse is open to the world and thy hearers may consider it who have looked upon thee as their Teacher this many yeares and yet thou thy selfe still to learne which is the best way when as there is but one true way then thou who art ignorant of this true way must needs be in a false way then how hast thou deluded thy hearets this many yeares Jer. 32.39 and also belyed thy selfe in thy Booke And if the Teacher be ever learning then what must the herers of such a one be let the wise-hearted judge and I beleive and know that your hearers would soone beleive the same if the Preachers of truth might have liberty to speake when they come amongst you but if any come in that intent you are ready to set your people upon them to hale them out with force and also you have a law to cast them into Prison as many of us do witnesse at this day and therefore thou liar the convincing of your hearers of a better way is not your greatest care but rather your greatest feare least any should be drawne from you and so your trade come to faile as thou callest it but this I know is your greatest care that any body would shew you a better way to get mony by and also perswade your hearers into it or else thou thinks you are never the better and then you would leave interpreting the Scripture which now thou calles a good trade but thou Marchant of Babylon where doth any of these Scriptures which thou hast quoted prove or terme interpreting the Scripture a trade though you Marchants of Babylon make a trade of it to get lucre by and so call it a trade who think gaine is godliness but well may others accuse you for making a trade and a gaine of the Scriptures while you your selves confesse it and thus thou wrests the Scripture for thine own ends and paints thy work with Scripture for to make the ignorant believe it is grounded upon Scripture oh be ashamed to take it into thy mouth to make a trade of it which was freely spoken forth by the holy men of God as they was moved by the Holy-Ghost and thou makes the people believe it is of some private interpretation and so thou makes Marchandize of the people and so out of thy own mouth art judged to be a lier who before denied it Whether thou dost speake as thou art moved by the Holy-Ghost Que. 20 as they did who spoke forth the Scripture And in thy Answer thou sai'st that thou hast answered to this allready P. Ans that thou usually dost speake at the motion or assistance of the Holy-Ghost thou praises God for it But thou hypocrite I have also in this already proved thee a lier Reply 2 Cor. 4.4 and thy God to be the Father of lies who is the God of the blind world in which thou art a blind guide and an enemy to the Holy-Ghost where he is witnessed to rule and this James Parnel and those thou
confusion of face and thus thy heart is adulterated from God into the earth 1 John 2.15 and the love of God abides not in thee who art in love with the world and thus thou loves thy Neighbour as thy selfe when for selfes-sake thou wouldst destroy him both body and soul and thus I need no other weapon to cut off thy head then what thou thy selfe bringest What is the difference betwixt the Jew outwardly 35. Qu. and the Jew inwardly and how shall we know the one from the other And in thy Answer thou sayst the Jew outwardly desires to make a faire shew in the flesh P. Ans or externall man with his outward Circumcision or Reformation Gal. 6.12.13 in voluntary worship and not sparing the body Col. 2.23 he observes the lesser Commands leaves the greater undone Mat. 23.23 in one poynt he goes beyond as thou sayst he payes Tithes exactly he makes clean the outside of the Cup and Platter Reply and makes all foul within Mat. 23.15 26. c. and so here is enough to manifest that thou art the man for here thou hast plainly read thy selfe and out of thy own mouth shalt thou be judged without contending or reviling as thou accusest us for thou hast been striving all along hitherto to set out thy selfe and make a faire out-side like a Reformation though the hypocrisie of thy heart thou couldest not thereby hide from the light and who are more strict in voluntary worship but you can pamper your bodies which showes your zeal is not so hot and instead of observing the lesser Commands and leaving the greater undone you leave all undone that will not stand for Selfe and preach up and uphold these things for Commands for which you have no Scripture and so preach for Doctrine the Commandements of man Mat. 15.9 as the outward Jew did but if one aske you for your proof for these things thou sayst it sufficeth you that there is no Command to the contrary yea for thy selfe covetous ends thou art not ashamed to fetch up old Commands that were fulfilled and so ended for a cover for thy deceipt as here also thou wouldst seem to do in accusing us for not paying Tithes exactly as the Pharisee did which I know is the great grief of thee and thy Brethren because we put not into your mouths Mich. 3.5 and therefore ye even prepare Warre against us but when the Pharisee said he payd Tithes they was then due for the Priesthood to which Tithes belonged was not yet fulfilled and therefore not changed and therefore it was his duty so to do but you Priests have so blinded the Pharisees and professors of these times that they are so exact in paying you Tithes and putting into your mouthes because you daub them up Ezek. 22.28 crying peace to them though they have no Command from God for it and you take it as exactly but you have but few such that you dare trust without a Law for as thou sayst the greatest part of them are earthly minded like their Teachers and how hast thou been cleansing thy outside of the Cup as if thou wast unblameable in this outward righteousness and so holy in thine own eyes that in words thou professest perfection and as if thou knewest the highest estate of Christianity and wast in the pure Religion without spots guided by Gods spirit usualy speaking by the motion of the Holy Ghost but even condemned thy Brethren and wouldst not answer for them but said thou was none of these Hirelings nor greedy Doggs c. but yet could not keep thy tongue for uttering forth the foulness of thy heart which hath overwhelmed thee all along and out of thy own mouth hast been proved a lyer and thus thou art plainly dealt with and judged out of thy own mouth and the Scriptures aforesaid which thou hast quoted shall stand and witness against thee But the Jew inwardly thou sayst trusts in the Lord Christ P. Ans and hath no confidence in the flesh but this thou dost not for then thou would'st trust him for thy maintenance and not stand in need of the arm of flesh upon which thou relyest neither dost thou first make clean the inside of the Cup that the outside may be fair also as thou sayst the inward Jew doth but though thou hast been much labouring with feigned words of thy own wisdom and selfe-justification to deck and adorn the outside painting it with Scripture-words and expressions yet thy inside is so foul that it defiles the outside also so that it makes thee odious to all but the blinde and manifests thy heart to be yet uncircumcised from sin and a stranger to the inward Crosse by which thou art not crucified to the world nor the world to thee for then it would not suffice thee to take the tenth part of the increase of the labour of the Labourers by the will of man without any Command from God as thou dost living at ease like a Droan upon the same and therefore thy heart is far off uprightness all which the Jew inwardly thou sayst doth witness and thus in a word thou seest there is as much difference betwixt the one and the other as betwixt Saul and Paul a persecutor and an executor of Christs Doctrine and way and thus in a word thou hast marked out thy selfe and art found out of the way and Doctrine of Christ persecuting despising and gain saying those that abide in it and thus by thy fruits art thou known as thou sayst the one may be known from the other And thus proud Goliah thy head is cut off with thy own sword Whether they that profess themselves the Ministers of Christ Que. 36. and cannot give account of their Ministry and faith but acts contrary to the Scripture the Doctrine and practise of the Ministers of Christ and teacheth people so be not such as abides not in the Doctrine of Christ but brings another Doctrine and so are the Witches Magicians and deceivers Antichrists and false Teachers who are not to be received but denyed And in thy Answer thou confessest P. Ans that they which are truly such in Doctrine and life as this Query describes may be truly termed spirituall Witches and Magicians and must be rejected as false Teachers and Antichrists Here thou hast passed the sentence unto thy own condemnation Reply for thou art the man as sufficiently is proved both out of thy own mouth and the Scriptures which thou thy selfe hast quoted as aforesaid and so henceforward let all people take notice that thou Thomas Draton of King Rippon in Huntingtonshire art a spirituall Witch and Magician and they are to reject thee as a false Teacher and an Antichrist as here out of thy own mouth is plainly proved and this him thou callest James Parnell doth testifie and deny thee with thy Sorcery Ribbonds Stones Waters Glasses Powders Charms and other like Enchantments
sayst judge ye for thou sayst you do not creep into the Churches who have the doores set wide open and have your Congregations or Assemblies publiquely called together by a Bell and then thou vents forth a deal of frothy stuffe and sayst why must your Houses of Lime and stone be called Steeple-houses more then the Glaziers Hall or the Bull and Mouth neare Aldersgate be called a Glasse-house a Chimney-house or a Store-house or a Stable-house but thou askest where did Christ or his Apostles reproach the Synagogues with reproachful names as we do your Churches Here thy malitious and scornful spirit is much more made manifest Reply together with thy folly and ignorance so that I am able to judge thee and the rest of the Parish Preachers to be those creepers into houses that Paul there speaks of 2 Tim. 3.6.7 who have led silly women and people captive these many years full of sin and led away with divers lusts who some have learned 40. years some 50. some 60. yea some 80. and yet strangers to the truth yea as blinde and carnall as ever they was so that they take a House of Lime and stone for a Church and a House of God as you have taught and aske them why they call it so and they will answer it was called so before they was born and will be after they were dead then judge ye whether these Creatures be not blind and carnall and led by your own Customs and traditions and you are their Teachers who would bear rule in your Steeple-houses so that none shall speak but your selves if they do you have a Law to lay upon them contrary to the order of the true Church as in 1 Cor. 14.30 31 32. That all might speak one by one and if any thing be revealed to him that stands by let the first hold his peace but this is called disorder amongst you that call your selves Saints and are not but the Synagogue of Satan and by thy own Confession are led together by a Bell for which you have no Rule in the Scripture and so you lead them by Custom and Tradition and also thy own words here proves what I said in my last Reply that you do not call your Assemblies and the place where your Assemblies meets both by one for here thou callest the place a Church and the people the Congregation as I said before and thou blinde guide where dost thou read in the Scripture of Church-doores be ashamed and blush thus to presume in thy blasphemy and therefore how soever thou have taken these houses to be wherein deceivers creeps as before is proved and have taught the people so to put them out of jealousie of you to be the deceivers doth not at all excuse you from it for the Apostle himself taught in private houses and Chambers and private places Act. 20.20 and therefore by that account thou would tax the Apostle to be a deceiver if he was here as thou dost James Parnel and those whom thou scornfully calls his gang but where dost thou finde such a word in the Scripture which proceeds out of thy malitious and evill heart but thy reproaches unto us are riches and thy shame And the Reason why those Houses near Aldersgate which thou so spits thy venom at because the people of God have used to meet there may not be called as thou in contempt dost terme them as well as your Stone-houses be called Steeple-houses is because they have names fitting for them already for to distinguish them from other places and so also the word Steeple-house is the fittest name to distinguish your meeting places from others and also to take from them that holy name which only belongs to the body of Christ and also to wear out that Idolatry of the peoples mindes which they through long Custom have born to those Idolatrous places neither do we any more reproach them in so saying then Christ and his Apostles did in calling the Jews meeting places Synagogues though thou highly dishonourest Christ in calling them Churches which signifies his body Have you no other names to bestowe upon your stone houses and high places but most blasphemously to call them by the name of God's and holy men whom you are not worthy to name as you call your Colledges which are Synagogues of Satan and Cages of unclean Birds by the name of Immanuel and by the name of Christ and Trinity and the like if you had called them by the name of Glaziers Hall or Bull and Mouth or Synagogue and the like we should not gainsay it and therefore in this the Jews will condemn you who did not presume to call their meeting places by such holy names as you presumptuously do which is and hath been a great provocation of the people to Idolatry to idolize the places because of their names which was given to them by the Papists who ignorantly worship names and you cast out the Papists for Idolatry and yet upholds their Idolls therefore woe unto you blinde guides and deluders of the people your wickedness is had in remembrance before the Lord. Whether it was the practice of the Apostles to take a Text of the Prophets words Que. 19. and from thence to raise uses points Traills and motives as thou and such as thou dost who makes a Trade of their words And in thy Answer P. Ans thou sayst that it hath been the practice of the Church and her Teachers this many hundred years for the which thou hast no Scripture proof and thirdly thou sayst that none will deny that this is an useful and profitable way of teaching which is an abominable lie which I and hundreds more can testifie against And fourthly thou sayst it may be proved out of the Scriptures that all this hath been done by Christ and his Apostles which is another lie and those are the Scriptures upon which thou wouldst ground thy lies in which they will witness against thee as Luk. 4.18 and Mat. 22.31 Act. 8.35 and for to maintain thy uses points Trialls and motives thou quotes Rom. 15.4.2 Tim. 3.16.17 John 8.31 and 13.35 and Matth. 25.34 Oh thou lier Reply thy lies will not cover thee nor the Scripture stand for thee who art found out of the life and practice of them that gave them forth who art one of the lying false Teachers who have deluded the people this many hundred years Col. 2.8 which deluded ones are your Church amongst whom you have used your Philosophy and vain deceipt by which you have long spoiled them so that the greatest part of the professors therein are earthly minded by thy own confession and I am sure that another part are Drunkards and swearers and Adulterers and scoffers and scorners and proud and envious ones and the like and now where is the fruits and profitableness of your teaching therefore for shame stop thy mouth for boasting of your Church and her teachers and saying None
was himselfe but a youth as Paul writes 1 Tim. 4.11.12 and there read thy rebuke Where did Christ or his Apostles send forth women to be publique prophetesses as you have don many and some of them not long since infamous for lewdnesse of life Qu. 86. Oh thou impudent one Answ how dost thou provoke the Lord to indignation against thee that darst lay any such thing to the Charge of Gods elect oh thou lier whom dost thou accuse of lewdnesse we abhor thy words for all lewdnesse and prophanesse we testify against wheresoever it doth appeare or any thing contrary to the pure divine light which now in thy conscience and many other consciences doth here witnesse for us against thee who art given up to beleivelies and report them therefore read thy portion in Rev. 21.8 and read an answer to thy Querie in Joel 2.28 where the Lord saith the sons and Daughters shall prophesy Rom. 16.1.2.3.4 and none other do we own but who immediately are caried forth by the Spirit of the Lord without the commission of man therefore thou falsly accusest us who saist we send forth any If you be extraordinary Prophets immediatly inspired as many of you pretend to be Qu. 87. where are the miracles which such inspired men wrought in times past But that we are so inspired thou dost not beleive Ans as may easily be discerned by thy Querying and therefore unto thee no signe shall be given who art in the adulterous generation who cannot see the signes that follow the truth Math. 16.4 What have you foretold by way of praediction Qu. 88. which hath accordingly come to passe as the Prophets Apostles and inspired men were wont to do If thou canst tax us to the contrary thou maist Answ we beare not witnesse of our selves but he that beleives hath the witnesse within himself And as for thy 89.90.91 and 92. Queries they are answered in my reply to thy answer to my 16. Querie and thy 93. Querie is answered in my answer to thy Query concerning Salutations Whether is a multitude of disciples and followers Que. 94. sure figne that his doctrine is from heaven who is followed seeing the way is broad that leads to destruction and many there be that find it and thou quotest Math. 7.13 and 2 Pet. 2.22 Many are called but few chofen Answ and many for a time followed Christ so that the ruler said if we let this fellow alone all men will goe after him which is the cry of you and your rulers now against the messengers of truth and hast thou never read of the multitudes that followed Christ but few there be that enter Iohn 11.48 Mat. 7.14 because strate is the Gate but devide England into parts and see if the greatest number belong not unto you who are in the broad way your lives preach you forth therefore now thou should have first asked thy self this Query and said Is it I and so have laid thy hand upon thy mouth Seeing this age is earthly-minded and willing to serve God Qu. 95. with that which costs them nothing contrary to the pious and noble spirit of David 2 Sam. 24.24 is it any great wonder that your doctrine against Tithes should find so many willing yea greedy entertayners of it as it hath done since it was first broached The more is your shame who are teachers in this age that are so earthly-minded Answ who have so long taken their monies for that which is not bread and their labour for that which profiteth not Isa 55.2 do you not herein manifest your selves to be such as run and the Lord never sent you Ier. 23.21.22.32 and therefore you profit not the people at all but they are still earthly-minded how have you then sowne spirituall things but I shall prove that the earthly-minded ones still stick unto you for you have a law made by the will of man so that if they refuse to pay you and forsake you then by it you cast them into prison and by your law take treble damage and this they know and therefore consult with their earthly mindes that it is better to pay the lesser then the greater there is much difference betwixt servings God and your bellies though the lesser is a greater oppression and thus mank deny the truth though they are convinced in their consciences thereof therefore that which leads any from you to take up this crosse to own the truth and deny you of Tithes the same crucifies the earthly mind and leade to suffer for conscience And the noble Spirit of David condemnes you for whereas he refused upon gift you will take upon gift and if they will not give it you you will take it by force therefore this Scripture affords witnesses against you but hereby thou confessest our doctrine costs them nothing then how said'st thou before that James Parnels Gospel was not without charge and thus out of thy own mouth art thou proved a liar Did ever Christ or the Apostles disturb the Priests and Ministers of these times Qu. 96. while they were teaching the people as many of you and yours have done Both the Prophets Christ and the Apostles Answ declared against the deceivers false Prophets Mat. 24.24 Ier. 23. Ezek. 34. Ioh. 10. Ier. 5.31 false Priests and Hirelings and the Apostles was haled out of the Synagogues and out of the Temple as Christ told them John 16.2 as we by the same spirit do now against you whom we finde in the same steps and here thou art answered if this be it thou callest disturbance but it is because you would bear rule by your means and suffer nothing to be published that is against you or strikes at your Diana Doth the Gospel ordinarily call any man from his lawful Calling Qu 97. whereby he should maintain himself and his Family and thou quotest 1 Cor. 7 20. Eph. 4.28 Yea it doth and the Scripture holds forth the same that they was ordinarily called from their outward Callings Answ to preach the Gospel to every Creature Amos. 7.14.15 Mark 16.15 Math. 4.18.19.20.21.22.23 neither doth either of these Scriptures which thou hast quoted prove to the contrary how many Scriptures didst thou quote in thy Answer to my 15th Query to prove that the Ministers of the Gospel might forbear working and not to entangle themselves with the affairs of this life yet in all could not prove thy selfe a Minister of the Gospel and now thou questions the truth of the Scripture because neither thou nor thy Brethren was called according to Scripture but whomsoever the Lord calls unto his work he doth take care both for him and his Family but you that are not called by him dare not trust him without a Law of man And in thy 98. 99. Query 2. Thes 3. Mat. ●8 7 thou seems to accuse us with some that turned from the truth