as they that affirmed the Resurrection to be past already or denied that Jesus is the Christ c. are in a State of Condemnation Other Texts of Scripture he brings wherein Christians are charged to be unanimous and condemned for causing Strife and Divisions warn'd to maintain Unity and not to hearken to false Teachers and Seducers c. But I find not by all this that St. Paul or any of the Apostles taught the Church of Rome which both forbids to marry and commands to abstain from Meats allow'd of God which teacheth divers Doctrines whereof we find not any thing in the Scripture to condemn those for Hereticks that adhere wholly to the Doctrine of the Scripture or for Schismaticks who hold Communion with all Christians so far as they keep to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and divide from the Church of Rome no farther than in those Points only wherein they cannot hold her Communion and the Doctrine of Christ too I do not see but after the same rate as he here defends the Charity of his Church he might also defend her Iustice if She should pretend that because Christ commanded his Disciples to fetch him another Man's Ass and her Colt She did but what he taught in taking away other Mens Goods and giving no other reason for it but this that she hath need of them What the Papists say more to shew that we can have no Saving Faith is one of these two things Either first That it is not an entire Faith there being as they say many necessary Articles which we believe not Or Secondly That it is no right-grounded Faith seeing it is not built upon sufficient Authority that is to say on the Authority of the Catholick Church Their first Objection to the Protestant Faith is this That it is no entire Faith. And here I am told by the Representer There is no more hopes for one that denies obstinately any one Point of Catholick Faith tho he believes all the rest than there is for one that keeps Nine of the Commandments with the Breach of the Tenth Now this seems to me no great Encouragement to change the Communion of the Church of England for that of Rome if an entire Faith and an entire Obedience be but equally necessary I wish with all my Heart I could be as sure that the Church of Rome doth not break the first Commandment by her Invocation of Saints and Adoration of the Host and the second Commandment in her Adoration of Images and the Cross as I am sure that the Church of England neither obstinately denies any Article of the Catholick Faith nor countenanceth the Breach of any one of the ten Commandments as that Church seems too much to do whilst she takes no little Care that the People may not know them all We stedfastly believe the whole Scripture so far as we are able to understand it explicitly and when we do not implicitly we receive the three Creeds which have ever been thought to contain the entire Faith of a Christian wherein then is our Faith partial or defective I must consider that anon at present seeing Obstinacy according to our Adversaries is a necessary ingredient of an Heretick I can easily assure my self tho I do not see how 't is possible for me to satisfy them that I am no Heretick for I certainly know that I am very desirous to be throughly inform'd and to be brought to a right understanding of all necessary Truths and am still in a readiness and full preparation of Mind to believe any one or all of their Articles whensoever they shall please to prove the Truth of them either by Scripture or by unquestionable Apostolical Tradition I am sure therefore I deny not obstinately any one Point of Catholick Faith. But till they vouchsafe me the proof I desire I must content my self with the Scripture which is able to make wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Iesus and not in the Pope of Rome nor in the Roman Church And yet I find that it is for this especially that we are call'd Hereticks that we adhere only to the Scripture and that they often explain their meaning in bestowing that Title on us by calling us Scripturists and Gospellers and ridicule us for talking of only Scripture But when I consider that this is the Fundamental Heresy wherewith we are charged I cannot but a little wonder at it and find less cause than ever to think we can be Hereticks indeed or that they can call us so any otherwise than in jest Can they grant the Scripture to be the Word of God and the Gospel to be the Power of God unto Salvation and yet in earnest call us Hereticks for being Scripturists and Gospellers If submitting our Faith in all things to the Scripture we can be Hereticks then must the Scripture teach Heresy and cannot be the Word of God. What a Contradiction is this in Papists to call us Scripturists and Hereticks which is in effect to say That we adhere only to the Infallible Truth of God and yet are guilty of obstinate Error in the Faith What is it then wherein our Faith is defective It is in this that we do not believe all that the Church of Rome propounds to be believed This indeed would make us Papists but whether it would make us better Christians than we are already is not so certain A Papist saith the Representer is one that lives and believes what is prescribed in the Council of Trent But this Rule of the Papists Faith came into the World as we think too late almost by fifteen hundred Years to be the Rule of the Christian Faith and therefore he could not have represented his Religion to us with greater disadvantage than here he doth We cannot conceive how so small a handful of Prelats most of them Italians sworn Vassals to the Bishop of Rome assembled together at Trent fifteen hundred Years after Christ's preaching and wholly limited and directed in all their proceedings by the Will and Command of Him whose Authority was the principal thing in question and submitting all at last to Him alone should come by that immense Authority to command the Faith of the Christian World or what Commission they could shew from Christ the Supream Lawgiver to prescribe Laws of Faith and Life to all Christendom And we can as little conceive how this pretended Council could at once confirm all the General Councils and among the rest that of Ephesus before mention'd yea and declare the Nicene Creed to be the firm and only Foundation and yet contrary to the Decree of that Ephesine Council and not very consistently to it 's own Declaration decree so many more Points than that Creed contains as necessary to be believed Moreover if this be the great Oracle we must consult as our surest Guide to Heaven where must we meet with him that can give us the certain Sense of its General and Ambiguous
Imprimatur Liber cui Titulus The Protestant Resolved c. Marâ— 12. 1687. Guil. Needham RR. in Christo P. ac D. D. Wilhelmo Archiep Cant. a Sacr. Dom. THE Protestant Resolved OR A DISCOURSE Shewing the UNREASONABLENESS Of his Turning Roman Catholick FOR SALVATION The Second Edition LONDON Printed for William Rogers at the Sun over-against St. Dunstan's Church in Fleetstreet MDCLXXXVIII No Necessity for a Protestant to turn Roman Catholick for Salvation WE are all I hope thus far argeed That sincere Christianity is the sure Way to Salvation That to be saved we must have the Hearts and not content our selves with the bare Name and naked Profession of Christians That the Authority of God and Divine Truth and no worldly or carnal Concern must sway and govern our whole Conversation If we be not religious in good earnest resolving and endeavouring to honour God in Heart and Life according to the Holy Gospel of our Blessed Iesus it 's no matter to us what Religion we profess or to what Church we join our selves Wickedness and Hypocrisy through what Church soever our Way lieth lead assuredly to Hell. A wicked Protestant and a wicked Papist will in Hell be of the same Communion True Christianity is none other but that which was taught at first by Christ and his Apostles and all they who believe and live according to their Doctrine shall be saved Herein again we are all I suppose agreed And if so I think it very reasonable we should agree as well in that which I now add It is not material to enquire whether a Man be of the Church of Rome or of the Church of England to find whether or no he may be saved but he that would satisfy himself of the possibility of Salvation in the Way wherein he now is ought to enquire whether he believe and live according to the Doctrine taught by Christ and his Apostles seeing they who do this are good Christians what other Names soever Men may bestow upon them and all that are such shall be saved If therefore I may be able to satisfy my self that I believe and live according to the Doctrine deliver'd by Christ and his Apostles I have no reason to doubt of the Possibility of my Salvation in the Way wherein I now am tho it were so that I had never heard to this day of any such Thing as a Church headed by a Pope or Bishop of Rome And I am yet somewhat confident that a Man may believe and live according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and never hear of a Bishop of Rome because once Men certainly did so and yet were saved The next thing therefore that I have to do is to enquire by what Means I may certainly know what was the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles for by the same Means whereby this may be known I may also know the certain Way to Salvation If there be no such Means left us we are all Fools in professing a Religion the certain Doctrine whereof can by no means be known If such Means there be there must be some certain Records safely convey'd down from their Time to ours for by what other Means we at this distance of so many hundred years should be certainly inform'd what they taught is by me unconceivable These Records then are to be diligently searched into and impartially examined and whosoever is found to believe and practise according to the Doctrine in those Records contained may be concluded to be in the Way to Salvation Such certain Records we have even the Books of the holy Evangelists and Apostles which together with the Books of the Old Testament we call the Holy Scripture In this we are all again unamimous both Papists and Protestants agree that the Doctrine in these Books contained is the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and Divine Truth Whence it certainly follows that whatsoever Doctrine is contrary to the Doctrine contained in these Books whether it it be taught by Papists or Protestants is to be rejected as none of the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles It ought not therefore to satisfy me that this or that Doctrine is taught by the Church of Rome or by the Church of England for by which of them soever it be taught if it be found contrary to the Doctrine of the holy Scripture it is by the Consent of both Churches to be rejected Now seeing we Protestants take this holy Scripture and it only for the Rule of Faith and Life it is certain that holding to this Rule we do not err either in Belief or Practice while on the other side we cannot be sure thot they do not err in both who receive another Rule till it appear that the other Rule which they receive is as true and certain as ours is acknowledged to be Our part of the Rule and that which indeed we take to be the whole being granted us all the Question is about their part of it Ours is on all hands granted to be most sure and certain their 's alone remains disputable and therefore I cannot yet see any reason why I should think their Way safer than our own except it can be safer to follow an uncertain than a certain Rule which I think no body will be so hardy as to affirm The Rule which they of the Roman Communion advance against ours is that of Tradition I am therefore next to to consider First what they understand by it And Secondly what greater reason I can find to perswade me that it is safer to trust to it whether singly or in Conjunction with our own than to our own alone which is the holy Scripture This Tradition consists of such Doctines of Faith and Practice as are supposed to have been taught either by Christ himself or being dictated by the Holy Ghost to his Apostles were delivered by them to the Church not in Writing but in Word only and so have successively been handed down from Father to Son unto the present Age. And these are all according to the Council of Trent to be received with equal affection of Piety and Reverence as the holy Scripture Now I confess if it may appear as evidently to me that Christ or his Apostles left such Doctrines to the Custody of the Church of equal necessity to the Salvation of Christians with those that are written in the Scpipture as it doth that they left us these which are written in the Scripture and if I may be well assured that these very Doctrines which the Church of Rome now holds and pretends to an Authority of imposing upon all Christendome are indeed the very same which were at first as abovesaid deliver'd to the Church I can see no reason why I should not be bound to believe the one as firmly as the other For seeing it is the Authority of the first Preachers of it and not barely the Writings of it that bind me to believe the Doctrine if I can be
things which we find not in the Scriptures saith St. Ambrose how can we use them Ambr. Offic. l. 1. c. 23. Let those of Hermogenes his Shop saith Tertullian shew that it is written If it be not written let them fear that Woe design'd for those that add or take away Irenaeus saith that what the Apostles had preach'd the same afterwards by the Will of God they deliver'd unto us in the Scriptures to be the foundation and pillar of our Faith. St. Hierome against Helvidius calls the Holy Scriptures the only Fountain of Truth Let us bring saith St. Austin for trial not the deceitful Ballances where we may hang on what we will and how we will at our own pleasure saying this is heavy and this is light but let us bring the Divine Ballance of the Holy Scriptures and in that let us weigh what is heavier nay let us not weigh but let us own the things already weighed by the Lord. And elsewhere The Holy Scripture saith he fixeth the Rule of our Doctrine And indeed the excellent sayings of the Antients to this purpose are so well known that I should be very vain to cite any more here If now after all this I should suppose what I can by no means yet grant that God having order'd the Scriptures to be written and said so much in the Commendation thereof they do not yet contain all things necessary to Salvation but that some part of those necessary things as both some Hereticks of old and Papists now would have it believed was only whisper'd privately into the Ears of the Apostles as Mysteries unfit at that time to be communicated to vulgar Christians and that the Apostles tho they were commanded by Christ to preach upon the House-tops that which he had told them privately in the Ear Mar. 10. 27. did not yet think themselves obliged to obey this Command in writing all that was necessary but rather to conceal for a time a considerable part of that mysterious Doctrine Yea suppose that this was one principal use of St. Peter's Keys to lock up all these Mysteries in the Cabinet of the Churches Breast let the Church signify what it can to be communicated to the World in after-Ages by piece-meal so as she should find Men prepar'd by a blind credulity to receive them Yet after all I must needs think that we are too hardly dealt with to be called Hereticks for not believing these things till something be produced whereby we may be assur'd either that these things which they commend to us come indeed from Christ his Apostles or that we are obliged to take the Church of Rome's word for a good Assurance It seems to me a very unreasonable thing that we should be condemn'd as obstinate for not believing things never sufficiently proved whilst we know and declare our selves prepared in Mind to yield upon the first rational Conviction Why should not that Church have the charity to forbear her Censures till she have tried the strength of her Arguments Why was the Council of Trent contrary to the Custom of other Councils so liberal of her Curses and so sparing of her Reasons One good Reason would do more to make us of her Communion than a thousand Anathema's Would not a Man suspect that they have no good Reasons to shew who keep them so close The plain Truth is there have been such vain Pretences to Tradition in all Ages one contradicting another that it seems impossible in this Age to discern between true and false Did not Clemens Alexandrinus call it an Apostolical Tradition that Christ preach'd but one Year And did not Irenaeus pretend a Tradition descending from St. Iohn that Christ was about fifty Years old when he was crucified And do the Papists accout either of these to be true Many things might be named which for some time have been received as Apostolical Traditions which the Church of Rome will not now own to be so And those which she owns she can no more prove to be so than those she hath rejected It were easy to shew this even from abundance of their own Writers who assert the Perfection of the Scripture and complain of the Mischief this pretence to Tradition hath done and who confess they cannot be proved to come from the Apostles But I shall now content my self with the ingenuous Confession of the Bishops assembled at Bononia in their Counsel given to P. Iulius the 3 d. We plainly confess say they among our selves that we cannot prove that which we hold and teach concerning Traditions but we have some conjectures only And again In truth whosoever shall diligently consider the Scripture and then all the things that are usually done in our Churches will find there is great difference betwixt them and that this Doctrine of ours is very unlike and in many things quite repugnant to it What said Erasmus long since on the 2 d Psalm They call the People off saith he from the Scriptures unto little humane Traditions which they have honestly invented for their own Profit And Peter Suter a bitter Adversary of his hath these words Since many things are delivered to be observed which are not expresly found in Holy Scripture will not unlearned Persons taking notice of these things easily murmur complaining that so great Burdens should be laid upon them whereby the Liberty of the Gospel is so greatly impaired Will they not also easily be drawn away from the observance of Ecclesiastical Ordinances when they shall find that they are not contained in the Law of Christ And must we be Hereticks for not believing these so uncertain Traditions Must our Faith be accounted defective and not entire meerly because we do not believe what no Man can make us understand to co come from God This seems very hard It is now time for me to consider the second Objection made against our Faith which is That it is not rightly grounded it is not built on the Authority of the Church that is the Church of Rome And indeed so much weight I find laid upon this one Point that I have some reason to think that they who have been very forward at all times to give such liberal allowances of implicit Faith to their Friends at home would be contented with a very small measure of explicit Belief in us if we would once be taught to ground our Faith aright on the sole Authority of that Church It seems to me that for the talk about it they are no such rigid Exactors of an entire explicit Faith in order to Salvation but that if we will explicitly believe this one fundamental Point the Supreme Authority of the Roman Church over all Christians they will deal very favourably with us in most others and excuse our Ignorance easilier than they can perswade us to be content to be ignorant I think I have very good reason to believe this because I know they can have no reason to reject them that
unreasonable or can produce no Reason for it self or is so lodged in Obscurity as it cannot be found I. I cannot leave the Communion of the Church of England and enter into that of Rome in obedience to an Authority which commands me to do things unreasonable agreeing neither with the Nature of Mankind nor with the undoubted Principles of Religion If therefore the Church of Rome require such things of me I must be a Protestant still and protest against that Authority which She pretends to And for ought I can yet see I cannot submit to her Authority but upon the hardest and most unreasonable Terms in the World. I must renounce my Reason and my Iudgment I must no longer trust my Senses I must either lay aside or learn to speak dishonourably of God's Word I must not believe a Word that God hath spoken without that Church's Leave I must embrace a Religion for which according to that Church's Principles no Reason can be given to convince me and when I have thus learn'd to do all things without Reason I must do what with Reason I can never do believe all Men whatsoever and how piously soever they otherwise live if they be not of the Roman Communion to be in a State of Damnation If I be deceiv'd in any thing of all this I shall be very glad to know it and I have only this to say for my self that they were Roman Catholicks who should know their own Religion best that have deceived me and if I may be deceiv'd by hearkening to them whom that Church sends abroad to make us Converts I shall be the less encouraged hereafter to embrace her Communion upon their Perswasions Whether all who are already of her Communion either own or know all this it concerns not me to enquire but I think it a Debt of Charity that I owe them to think till they tell me the contrary that they do not and that if they did they would not long continue where they are However till they who taught me these things shall either confess their own Error or shew me my Mistake I must needs think them all true and therefore also account it much safer for me to continue a Protestant than to turn Papist whatever it may seem or be to others First I think nothing can be plainer than that it is more safe to act like understanding and discreet considering Men than otherwise or that the Religion which alloweth Men so to do is safer than that which doth not allow it Now the Protestant Religion alloweth Men to make use of their Reason and Iudgment to discern between Truth and Falshood Good and Evil which the Roman Religion as it seems to me will not allow and therefore it must needs be the safer Religion Christ certainly came not into the World to save Sinners by destroying but rather by restoring and perfecting Human Nature His business was not to deprive us of the use of the most noble Faculty which God had given us but to rectify that and all the rest after they had been depraved by Sin. His Gospel was not preached to close up the Eye of the Soul the Understanding and so to lead Men blindfold to Heaven but to open Mens Eyes and to furn them from Darkness to Light Act. 26. 18. The Apostles preach'd to teach us how to offer unto God a Reasonable Service Rom. 12. 1. And Christ expects that his Sheep should be able to discern the voice of him their Shepherd from the voice of Strangers and avoiding them to follow him only Iohn 10. 4 5. St. Peter exhorts Men to be always ready to give a Reason of the Hope that is in them 1 Pet. 3. 15. And St. Paul bids Men prove all things and hold fast that which is good 1 Thess. 5. 21. And St. Iohn exhorts not to believe every Spirit but to try the Spirits whether they be of God 1 Joh. 4. 1. How any Man shall be able to do all this and much more which as a Christian he is obliged to do and not be allow'd the free use of his Reason and judging Faculty I am sure no Man can tell me neither indeed how he can be of any Religion at all for before he can really be of any Religion he must choose it and choose it he cannot till he have rationally consider'd and judg'd of it and of the Reasons which must move him to the choice of it And in Truth to deny a Man the free use of his Reason and Iudgment in Religion is to turn him into a Beast where he should be most a Man and either to make it impossible for him to be of any Religion at all and to serve God like a Man or else to say in effect That Christian Religion is altogether a most unreasonable thing and proper only to unreasonable Creatures Now the Writing Men of the Roman Church tell us nothing more frequently than that no private Man ought to be allow'd to judg for himself in matters of Faith that to allow this is to set the Gate wide open to all Heresies that every Man is bound to sumbit and captivate his Understanding and Iudgment to the Iudgment of the Church that is to all the Definitions of as they call it the Roman-Catholick Church Whatsoever this Church affirms we must believe to be true and whatsoever She commands we must chearfully obey seem the thing to our own private Reason never so false or never so wicked We must not dare to examine the Truth or Lawfulness of her Decrees or Determinations tho Reason and Scripture too seem to us to be against them as we have been lately taught by the Representer for as we receive from Her the Books so from Her only we are to receive the Sense of Scripture Hence it is that they define a Heretick to be one that obstinately opposeth the Sentence of the Church The Doctrines of Fathers Bellarmine some-where tells us may be examined by Reason because they teach but as private Doctors but the Church teaches as a Iudg with all Authority and therefore no Man may dispute the soundness of her Doctrine This then is the first step I must take if I will go over to the Church of Rome I must resolve to see no longer for my self with my own Eyes but give my self up to be led by the Church never questioning the Way I am to go in so long as she leads me And truly so far as I am yet able to discern with my Protestant Eyes it is but needful to close the Eye of Reason before-hand when I am about to go where I must otherwise see such things as no Reason can indure It was therefore very ingenuously spoken as I have heard of Mr. Cressy when he said that the Wit and Judgment of Catholicks is to renounce their own Judgment and depose their own Wit. Yet if this be true I must beg his Pardon if I dare not yet imitate his Example or
Joh. 5. 39. for in them ye think ye have Eternal Life and they are they which testify of me I find that St. Luke writing his Gospel gives his Theophilus this good reason for it That thou mightst know the certainty of those things wherein thou hast been instructed Luk. 1. 4. The things which are most surely believed among us v. 1. all things of which himself had perfect understanding from the very first v. 3. I find St. Iohn who wrote last of all the Apostles affirming that tho Iesus did many other Signs which are not written in that Book of his yet these are written that we may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God and that believing we might have Life through his Name Joh. 20. 30 31. And finally I find St. Paul asserting the Perfection of the Holy Scripture as fully and plainly as any Man can speak 2 Tim. 3. 15 16 17. saying That the Holy Scripture is able to make a Man wise unto Salvation through Faith which is in Christ Iesus That all Scripture is given by Inspiration of God and is profitable for Doctrine for Reproof for Correction for Instruction in Righteousness that the Man of God may be perfect throughly furnished unto all good Works Now what more can we desire than to be made wise unto Salvation And we are here plainly told that the holy Scripture is able to make us so What more can be needful to direct us in the Way to Salvation than what we may learn from the Scriptare It is profitable for our Information and Establishment in the Truth for the Confutation of Error and Heresy for the Correction of Vice and Wickedness for our Instruction in Righteousness It is so profitable for all these purposes that thereby the Man of God the Pastor and Teacher may be made compleat and well furnish'd for all the branches of his Office all the works of his holy Calling In short it is able to bring us to Faith in Christ Iesus And whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life Joh. 3. 16. Furthermore from the same Scripture I also learn that Unwritten or Oral Tradition hath ever been found too deceitful a thing to be relied on for so great a matter as Salvation I find that before the Flood notwithstanding the long Lives of Men the few Principles of Natural Religion and the easiness of learning and remembring things so agreeable to humane Nature yet all Flesh had soon corrupted his Way upon the Earth Gen. 6. 12. and every Imagination of the Thoughts of Man's Heart was only evil continually v. 5. And after the Flood the whole World was quickly over-run with Idolatry So ill was the Doctrine which had been preach'd by Noah and his Sons preserved by Oral Tradition Nay I find that after God was pleas'd to give the Iews his Will in Writing their Teachers had so corrupted the Doctrine of God with their Traditions that it was a great part of our blessed Saviour's business to rescue it from those Traditional Corruptions He reproves the Scribes and Pharisees for transgressing the Commandments of God by their Traditions Mat. 15. 3. shewing them how they had made it of none effect by the same v. 6. And that in vain they worshipp'd God teachiag for Doctrines the Commandments of Men v. 9. And St. Paul warns the Colossians to beware of being deceived through Philosophy and vain Deceit after the Tradition of Men after the Rudiments of the World and not after Christ Col. 2. 6. And the special occasion of writing most of the Epistles yea and the Gospels too seems to be the Danger that Christians were in of being seduced by false Teachers from the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles under the pretence of Tradition Such were the Wolves in Sheeps cloathing Mat. 7. 15 False Apostles deceitful Workers transforming themselves into the Apostles of Christ 2 Cor. 11. 13. Pretending to another Gospel Gal. 3. 6. Men of Sleight and cunning Craftiness lying in wait to deceive Eph. 4. 14. From what I find in the Scripture I must needs conclude till I be better inform'd that it is a sufficient Rule for us to go by and that so long as we hold us to it alone in our Faith and Practice there can be no necessity of resorting to the Church of Rome for that unto which our Bibles at home can direct us The Scripture is the Word of God and sure Rule of Faith saith the Infallible Church of Rome if Bellarmine may be believ'd This holy Scripture is able to make us wise unto Salvation saith the this Infallible Scripture and we take no other but this Holy and Infallible Scripture for the Rule of our Faith and Religious Practice say we Protestants What now should hinder me to infer from hence that if the Scripture be the Word of God we Protestants are very well as we are for we have the Word of the Infallible God and if it may stand us in any stead the Word of the Infallible Church as she will needs be accounted to assure us that adhering to the holy Scripture we are in the ready and sure way to Salvation Farther yet as I am a Protestant of the Church of England I do declare in the words of our VIIIth Article That the three Creeds Nice Creed Athanasius Creed and that which is commonly called the Apostles Creed ought throughly to be received and believ'd for they may be proved by most certain Warrants of Holy Scripture Seeing then we receive and throughly believe the same Creeds and no other which the Church of Rome her self professeth to believe and which were thought by the Catholick Church of Christ for above 400 Years after the first planting of Christianity to contain all Points of Faith necessary for the Salvation of Christians I think I have hence gather'd this farther Confirmation of my Assurance that we Protestants are in the direct Way to Salvation that we are of the very same Religion and no other in all the necessary Points of Christian Faith whereof the Catholick Church evidently was in the first and purest Ages of it In the four first General Councils no other Articles of Faith were held needful to be believed by Christians but those of these Creeds which we entirely own and believe Either then it is true That these three Creeds contain all necessary Points of Christian Faith or it is not If it be true we are safe enough and can with no colour of Reason be said to err in Faith or to deserve the Name of Hereticks If it be not true then were all those Primitive Christians as much Hereticks as we are and knew no more than we do what belong'd to the Salvation of Christians And strangely partial is the Church of Rome in approving the Faith of those Councils which one of their most famous Popes and Saints is said to have reverenced as the four Gospels and yet to condemn ours tho in all
Points the very same Especially when the Third of those Councils held at Ephesus in the Time of Pope Celestine did expresly decree That it should not be lawful to utter write or compose any other Faith besides that which had been defined by the Holy Fathers congregated in the Holy Ghost in the City of Nice Ordering that all they should be punish'd who tender'd any other to such as had a desire to be converted to the Knowledg of the Truth whether they were Gentiles Jews or of any other Heresy Whereby 't is plain that the Fathers in this third Council did conclude that Creed to comprehend the entire Faith of a Christian And indeed a Man would think that the Council of Trent had in the Beginning of it been altogether of the same mind when of the same Creed it thus declared it self That it is that Principle wherein all that profess the Faith of Christ do necessarily agree and the Firm and Onely Foundation against which the Gates of Hell shall not prevail I may I think upon these Considerations without more ado be very well satisfied of the Safety of the Protestant Religion The Papists themselves must grant That whatsoever we believe or practise as of necessity to Salvation really is so and therefore that we do not err either in our Faith or Practice whilst we live according to our own Principles For if we err in either so far do they err also and not they only but all the Christian World. And here we may press them with their own way of Arguing and to much more purpose than they are wont to use it against us When they would convince us that their Religion is the safer they are wont thus to argue That Religion is the safer wherein by the Confession of both Sides a Man may be saved but both Sides confess that a Man may be saved in the Popish Religion and both Sides do not confess that a Man may be saved in the Protestant Religion therefore the Popish Religion is the safer Supposing now this way of arguing for the Safety of their Religion from the Confession of both Parties be of any strength as they must suppose it to be who so often and confidently use it then must the like Argument from the same Medium be altogether as strong for us I would only beg of them to grant me this and I hope they will not say my Request is unreasonable That that Religion is the safest all the Doctrines whereof are the truest If they will not grant me this they must grant it safer to hold some false Doctrines than all true But if they think this absurd then must they give me leave thus to argue That Religion is the safest wherein all Doctrines held or taught as necessary to Salvation are by the Confession of both Sides certainly true Now both Sides confess that all Doctrines held or taught in the Protestant Religion are certainly true and both Sides do not confess that all Doctrines held and taught in the Popish Religion are certainly true therefore the Protestant Religion is the safer The same Articles of Faith the same Rules and Precepts of Life the same Acts of religious Worship the same holy Sacraments the same holy Orders of Ministers which we have the very same have they also But they have many things of all these sorts which we have not no nor any other Christians but those of their own Communion And therefore to strengthen my Argument yet more I say If that Doctrine and Practice be the safest wherein all good Christians agree we are sure that ours is the safest because all good Christians do agree in them and that theirs is not safe because all good Christians do not agree in them Nay let me add this more Our Religion is either safe and true in all things pretended by us necessary to Salvation or there is no such thing as a safe and true Christian Religion in the World visibly professed and if so it will follow that Christ hath no true visible Church upon Earth which I am confident no Papist will say The Consequence is plain because all Christians all the World over that make any Figure of a Church hold the same both Faith and Practice with us in what we account necessary to Salvation the Church of Rome it self not excluded Tho it be very certain that we positively and affirmatively hold nothing in Faith or Practice as necessary to Salvation but what is held by the Church of Rome her self and all other Christian Churches yet will not the Men of that Church allow us any possibility of being saved whilst we are Protestants And he who of late hath been at some Pains to represent the Papist to us in his fairest Dress hath labour'd as hard in this Point as in any other to shew that his Church is not uncharitable in the Doctrine She delivers concerning our desperate Estate Now although I am not enquiring whether this Doctrine be charitable or uncharitable but only whether it be true or false yet for my better Satisfaction I will examine all that he saith to this purpose He tells us His Church doth nothing herein but what she hath learn'd of Christ and his Apostles And if he can shew me this I must needs be fully satisfied being verily perswaded they never taught any thing uncharitable or untrue To shew this he tells us how Christ Mark. 16. 16. hath said He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned And this is all his Church delivers in this Point If this be all She delivers we cannot call her uncharitable for it for we our selves willingly subscribe to this Sentence of our Blessed Saviour Only we think he did not here teach and authorise the Church of Rome to say That all who are not of her Faith and Communion shall be damn'd tho she knows they believe all that Christ sent his Apostles to teach them I do not find in the Roman Ritual that the Church of Rome in the Baptising either of Infants or adult Persons uses or requires any other Confession of Faith but that only of the Apostles Creed which is the same we use and if to beleive and be baptised in this Faith be enough for the Salvation of Papists why is it not enough also for Protestants And if the Additional Articles of the Trentine Faith and P. Pius his Creed be necessary to Salvation why is there no mention made of them in the Roman Order of Baptism He adds that of St. Paul 1 Tim. 4. 1 2 3. where foretelling of some who in later times would come and preach a Doctrine forbidding to marry and commanding to abstain from Meats which God hath created to be received he brands them with the infamous Title of Men that depart from the Faith giving heed to seducing Spirits and Doctrines of Devils And several other Places of Scripture he then produceth to shew that Hereticks such
believe but this one Point for when once this great Gobbet is swallow'd down the Passage will be so well open'd that all other Points of Faith either go down with it or will slip after it without the least straining or grutching The Authority of God himself speaking in Scripture will be of no farther consideration to us for that we must suppose to be included in the Authority of our Mother the Church And whatsoever we shall thence-forward perceive to be the Will of our Mother we must without all scruple conclude it to be also the Will of our Father The Representer hath lately told us that tho the Scripture which is the Word of our Heavenly Father may be the Law yet the Mother the Roman Church is the Iudg. Having learn'd from her the sense of the Scripture we are obliged to submit to this and never presume on our own private Sentiments however seemingly grounded on Reason and Scripture to believe or preach any new Doctrine opposite to the Belief of the Church And there 's reason for this if it be true which he elsewhere tells us That a Man may very easily frame as many Creeds as he pleases and make Christ and his Apostles speak what shall be most agreeable to his humour and suit best with his Interest and find plain proofs for all he means in Scripture the truth whereof as of all other Points of Doctrine stands as he saith upon the same Foundation of the Churches Tradition which if it fail in one leaves no security in any This is indeed to advance the Church to the very top-branch of all Authority and to make the holy Scripture as very a Nose of Wax and as Leaden a Rule as any of that Church ever thought it seeing a Man may form and work it into Creeds of all fashions and find plain proofs in it for any odd Humour or carnal and Worldly Interest This then as far as I can learn by him is the only way for me to be a thorow Papist and a good Catholick I must lay aside my Reason and the Scripture and heed no more what either of these tell me only I must have my Ear open to the Voice of the Church and be wholly at her teaching and command and I shall be safe enough Upon the most serious consideration of the Character which the Papist is pleas'd to give us of himself I cannot find what it is for which they of that Church are so severely bent against us Protestants save only that we will not like tame Animals without any understanding of our own learn to come and go at a whistle or trot on the Road as we are driven and stoop to take on our Backs whatever Load it shall please the Roman Church to lay upon us confessing her to have absolute and uncontroulable Authority over our Faith. The standing out against the Catholick Church makes Men Hereticks and without erring against this no Man is guilty of Heresy said the Iesuit Fisher in his Answer to certain Questions propounded to him by King Iames I. This then is the only Heresy to disown the Authority of the Roman for that he calls the Catholick Church Again saith he One fundamental Error of the Protestants is their denying the Primacy of St. Peter and his Successors the Foundation which Christ laid of his Church necessary for the perpetual Government thereof And again He that forsakes the Church puts himself into a dead and damnable State and may have all things besides Salvation and Eternal Life Bellarmine speaks out and tells us very plainly No Man can tho he would be subject to Christ and communicate with the Celestial Church that is not subject to the Pope If then we believe this Authority of the Roman Church we believe all and if we believe not this we believe nothing at all in the Papists account or to any better purpose than to our own Damnation So that without this Belief our Faith shall never pass for an entire Faith and when we once believe this it shall never be any more question'd whether it be entire or no. Now it seems a very hard matter to believe this great Point of Faith till very good Reasons be given us for it and yet it should seem the want of such Reasons will not excuse us from being Hereticks and in a State of Damnation no not tho we be never so ready to believe it when we shall have Reasons given us for it For he is an Heretick we are told who thinks any thing against the Definition of the Church yet stands so affected that he will think the contrary if he be convinced by Arguments or if the matter be propounded to him by a Learned Man. And on the contrary if we do believe this we can hardly be Hereticks whatever Errors we believe or this Belief draws us into For if a Rustick saith Cardinal Tolet believe his Bishop about the Articles of Faith teaching him some Heretical Doctrine he merits by believing altho it be an Error So weighty a Point is this of believing the Authority of the Roman Church and grounding our entire Faith upon it that I perceive I am concern'd above all things to examine it throughly and this I shall have fitter opportunity to do now I am come to the second thing propounded SECT II. Hitherto I have been considering what ground I have to hope for Salvation as I am a Protestant and of the Church of England I am now in the next place to enquire Whether I can find any Reason to believe that the Church of Rome can put me into a more hopeful Way to it should I turn Papist and be of her Communion Now seeing I have already found that the great Reason why we are held uncapable of Salvation as now we are is this That we have no entire Faith and the Defect in our Faith is this That we believe not all the Articles of the Roman Faith and that which makes it necessary for us to believe all those Articles is the Authority of the Catholick that is as they interpret the Roman Church to declare and define what things are necessary to the Salvation of Christians I perceive I have no more to do for my full Satisfaction in the present Inquiry but to consider what Reason I can have for the owning and submitting to this Authority And to discern this I think this Method fittest to be taken I will inquire into three things I. What things are implied in that Submission to this Authority which is required of me II. What the Grounds and Reasons are whereon this Authority is founded and which should perswade me to submit III. Where this Authority may be found and to whom I must submit And this is all I think that I need to do for I can never think fit to submit my Faith and Conscience and to trust my Salvation to an Authority which either requires of me such things as are
follow him thither where according to him I can have nothing to do but to run headlong upon any thing without Wit or Fear Reason he is pleased to call a hoodwink'd Guide and following it all we can hope for is that we may possibly stumble into the Truth or Church Possibly it should seem a Man may stumble upon it with his Eyes in his Head and truly I dare not pull them out lest I should stumble on a blind Leader and we should both fall into the Ditch Secondly Whensoever I resolve to enter into the Roman Communion I fear I must also bid farewell to my Senses or resolve never any more to trust them no not about those things which are the proper Objects of Sense to discern which God gave me my Senses and of which it will be impossible for me to have any distinct knowledg without them How unreasonable and dangerous a thing this is I must needs be very sensible if I be not resolved already to hearken no more to my Reason If I must no longer credit my Eyes about Shape and Colour nor my Ears about Sounds and Words nor my Nose about Smells nor my Palate concerning Tasts nor my Hands and Feeling about Hot and Cold Hard and Soft I shall not know how to believe that God gave me all these Instruments of Sense to any purpose at all I am sure I cannot think my self in a comfortable and safe Condition I know not to what end our Blessed Saviour should bid St. Thomas Handle and see him or how his Faith could be thereby confirmed if such Senses are not to be trusted nor why the Apostle should hope to have the more Credit given to their Narratives by telling us they were Eye-witnesses of the things they relate 2 Pet. 1. 16. Luke 1. 2. Nor why St. Iohn 1 Ioh. 1. 1. should talk so much of hearing seeing and handling as things qualifying them for bearing witness What a Christian am I like to be if I can have no Assurance of what I see or hear if I may not trust my Eyes when I read the Scripture nor my Ears when I hear the Instructions of my Teachers How could the first Christians be sure themselves or assure us that Iesus is the Christ if in hearing his Words and seeing his Miracles and reading the Prophets they might not safely trust their Senses If Sense be not to be trusted all Teaching must be by immediate Inspiration and Faith comes not by hearing as St. Paul affirms it doth and the Infallible Church can teach no more than we except she can teach without Speaking or Writing or any thing that is to be understood by Hearing or Seeing and so Oral and Practical Tradition can be of no more use to us than to the Blind and Deaf On this Supposition I may easily mistake a Harlot for my Mother and stumble into Babylon instead of Hierusalem hearken to the Voice of the Wolf instead of the Shepherd eat and drink Poison instead of wholsome Food and feel no Pain nor Loss when my Eyes are pluck'd out Now if the Church of Rome do not command us to renounce all Credit to our Senses she cannot command us to give any Credit to her Doctrine of Transubstantiation And I fear without our believing this Point she will not admit us to her Communion We believe already a Real Presence of that which we see not yet will not this serve unless we believe also a Real Absence of that which we both see handle taste and smell In the holy Sacrament of the Eucharist I am commanded to believe that there is not any Bread but Flesh nor Wine but Blood and yet there I see smell taste and feel both Bread and Wine and nothing else I hear it read that our Blessed Saviour took blessed brake and gave Bread and Wine and of the same he said Take eat and drink I hear St. Paul again and again 1 Cor. 11. 26 27 28. speak of eating and drinking the Bread and the Cup. And yet I must not trust any of these five Senses but against the clearest Evidence and Testimony of them all I must believe if I can that there is neither Bread nor Wine but that which neither my Senses can discern nor my Reason conceive nor doth the Scripture any where say the very Natural Flesh and Blood of Christ under the Colour and Form the Taste and Smell and all other proper Qualities of Bread and Wine and yet neither that Colour nor Form nor Taste nor Smell nor any other Accident which my Senses there perceive are in the Flesh and Blood tho there is nothing else there for them to be in That tho I break and chew with my Teeth what I take and eat yet I break not nor chew with my Teeth the Body of Christ and yet I take and eat nothing else If I cannot believe this I am told that I have not Faith enough and only because I have yet Reason and Sense too much to be of that Communion This is another step that I must take in going over to the Church of Rome And when I am got thus far I may think it seasonable enough to lay aside the Scripture too For what good Use I can make of it without the free use of my Reason and trusting my Senses I do not understand Thirdly If I be a Lay-man and not of so good credit with the Curate or Bishop as to obtain a License that is if I will not promise to adhere only to the Doctrine of the Roman Church and take all that I read in that sense only which she is pleas'd to give it I must not be suffer'd to read the Scripture at all but must give away my Bible upon pain of being denied the Remission of my Sins And truly if I may be allow'd to read it upon no other terms than of being thus tied up to learn nothing by it but what I am before-hand taught without it I shall think a License too dear even at a very low rate if yet it may be obtain'd as I find it question'd whether it may or no any where else but in such places as a License to read some of their own may prevent their itch of looking into our Translations However whether I be of the Lay or Clergy if I will learn of them who are most busy in endeavouring my Conversion I am sure I must be taught to speak very dishonourably of the Word of God and this seems to be no more than the Religion commended to me requireth I must needs here say That nothing in the World doth and I think I may say ought more to prejudice me against any Religion than to find it constrain'd in its own Defence to say undecent things of that which it grants to be the Word of God. And if I might be thought worthy to advise the Missionaries they should not harp too much on this ungrateful String if they would draw any after them that
Children understand God's Word Why first She keeps it in the Latin Tongue only whereof the far greater number of them understand not one Syllable Why secondly She doth not give them some Infallible Translation Interpretation or Comment of the Scripture a thing very easie for an Infallible Interpreter to do and therefore in my Opinion must argue a great defect in her Charity and much unfaithfulness in the discharge of her Trust if she do it not I am loath to ask such Questions as these because I find it goes so much against the Hair to answer them Indeed I think she doth not the latter for a very good Reason because she cannot and 't is only her vain pretence to such a Power that makes her inexcusable if she do it not And the former she is concern'd to do that they who have the Word of God only in a Language which they cannot understand may be constrain'd of necessity to depend upon her Instruction and never to question her Authority nor discern her Errors Whilst they have nothing of the Word of God but from her mouth they can have no more of it than what she gives them leave to have and therefore can neither believe a Word of what GOD speaks nor indeed that he hath spoken any thing but by her leave God speaks very plainly and intelligibly enough in the second Commandment forbidding the Adoration of Images as plainly as he forbids to commit Adultery or to Steal And Christ spake very plainly and as intelligibly saying Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God and him only shalt thou serve Matt. 4. 10. And again when he said of the Eucharistical Cup Drink ye all of it Matt. 26. 27. as when he said Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and thy Neighbour as thy self St. Paul very plainly ordereth that the publick Worship of God be perform'd in a known Tongue and sheweth the great absurdity of using an unknown Tongue in God's Worship 1 Cor. 14. And he speaks intelligibly enough when he saith Let a man examine himself and so let him eat of that Bread and drink of that Cup 1 Cor. 11. 28. To say no more we think it plainly enough said of them that die in the Lord that they rest from their labours Rev. 14. 13. In all these things we hear God speak and would fain believe him But here the Church of ROME comes in with her Authority and tells us That tho GOD have said He only is to be worshipped we must believe that not he only but also the Cross Images Saints and Angels are to have a share in our Religious Worship And say CHRIST and his Apostles what they please to the contrary we must believe that not all but the sacrificing Priest ought to drink of the Cup that God's publick Worship is well perform'd in an unknown Tongue that we neither eat Bread nor drink Wine in the Eucharist that all who died in the Lord do not rest from their labours but that the most of them go into most dreadful torments At this rate for ought I can see must I believe the Word of God when I have once submitted to the Authority of the Church of ROME Fifthly It seems very hard for me to conceive how I should be bound under penalty of Eternal Damnation to espouse a Religion and submit to an Authority for which no convincing Reason can be given me by them that invite me to it What is it in any Religion which can commend it before others to a man's Choice but its Truth and Goodness And how should the Truth and Goodness of any Religion commend it to my Choice till they be discover'd unto me and I be rationally convinced that it hath them Whatever Truth and Goodnoss there may really be in the Religion called POPERY I am sure they can be no motives to me to embrace it till they be clearly laid open to my Understanding and Iudgment that I may plainly discern them and therefore if any PAPIST will take an effectual course to Convert me to it he must by rational means convince me first that his is the true Church and her Doctrines sound and good How he can do this upon his own Principles I see not yet but rather think it a very gross absurdity in him to attempt it He tells me often that no private Person such as I am ought to judg for himself in Points of Faith or therein to follow his own private Iudgment tho to him grounded both on Reason and Scripture He must not therefore in disputing with me according to his own Doctrine bring either Reason or Scripture to convince me for I must not trust my own private Iudgment and I know no other that I have tho as it seems to me grounded both on Reason and Scripture I must not judg for my self by either of them whether what he commends to me by them be true or no and then I cannot imagine to what end he useth them in any dispute with me He must resolve therefore for ought I can see whenever he would convert me to judg for me too as well as dispute with me and then if I cannot make a right Choice for my self he may do it for me tho after all whether his private Iudgment be any more to be trusted in such a case than my own I may possibly doubt Either it is a matter of Faith That the Church of ROME is the only true Church and that She hath this Authority of determining for all Christians which is the saving Faith of CHRIST or it is not If it be not I may be safe enough tho I believe it not and 't is ill done of PAPISTS to terrify me with these big Words which are as false as terrible That I cannot be saved without believing this If it be a matter of Faith then must I either be allow'd to judg for my self by my own private judgment in a matter of Faith or all the PAPISTS endeavours to persuade me to believe it are altogether vain unless it be reasonable for me to believe a thing against my Reason and Iudgment When he useth Arguments I should think he meant thereby to convince me in my private Iudgment but it seems 't is only to drive me out of it and that if I may use it at all it is only to this end that I may conclude I have no use of it All the Arguments in the World cannot convince me till I judg of them and therefore no PAPIST can offer me a Reason why I should embrace POPERY but he must contradict himself and give me as strong a Reason why I should not embrace it because its Principles are false It will be all one as if he should say I ought to be convinced by Reason and yet I neither ought nor can be convinced by it In urging his Reasons upon me he intends they should convince me in denying me the Liberty of judging for my self by
I know not how to serve God without it Yet if I should dare to venture thus far may I now have leave to take my rest here If my dimsighted Reason help me to stumble into my Mother's lap may I yet think my self safe there Not till I have learn'd her Charity too as well as her Faith which the REPRESENTER tells us She learn'd of Christ and his Apostles Therefore Lastly I must believe that all other Christians but PAPISTS are in a state of Damnation The Decree of P. BONIFACE the VIIIth as now it stands in the common Extravagants is well known to be this We declare say define and pronounce That it is altogether of necessity to SALVATION that every Creature be subject to the POPE of ROME P. PIUS the II. in his Bull of Retractation tho he was not altogether of the same mind as it seems before whilst he was Aeneas Sylvius saith He cannot be saved that doth not hold the Unity of the ROMAN Church If so lusly a Decree and so preremptory a Declaration of two POPES be too little there is abundance more to this purpose to be met with by him that has a mind to search for it I only take notice at this time that P. LEO the X th in his Lateran Council and his Bull therein read and pass'd saith We do renew and approve that same Constitution viz. of P. BONIFACE but now mentioned the present Sacred Council also approving it And Lastly P. PIUS the IV th in his Bull wherein he confirms the Council of TRENT imposeth an Oath upon Ecclesiastical Persons wherein they swear That the HOLY CATHOLICK and APOSTOLICK ROMAN Church is the MOTHER and MISTRESS of all Churches and that this is the true CATHOLICK FAITH without which no man can be SAVED Here 's enough in all Conscience for us PROTESTANTS to hear and too much a great deal as I think for any man to believe I think my self bound in Charity to have the best Opinion I can of all men and therefore I dare not think that all they who are called ROMAN CATHOLICKS have throughly learn'd this Doctrine There seems to me to be so much of Ill-nature in it that I should think my self the worst natur'd man in the World if I could believe that any considerable numbers of them besides the Priests are guilty of it Many piously disposed Souls are not so happy as to have always the clearest Understandings or the sincerest Teachers but have better Hearts than either Heads or Guides Their Zeal is too great for both their opportunities of Learning and Patience to consider their earnestness of SALVATION a thing very laudable in them puts them into too much haste to deliberate long and gives an advantage to some who watch for it to abuse them Either a cunning JESUIT or a canting FANATICK will hope to make an easy Prey of such Persons for it matters not greatly of which sort the Tempter be whilst the Temptation is the same The Fish minds not the Fisher but the Bait Every Argument from either is edged with a mighty Zeal and Importunity and sharpned with the sinest and most penetrating Expressions of a most tender Compassion for perishing Souls SALVATION is as confidently promised as earnestly desired and whether it be to be had in the ROMANISTS Infallible Church or in the SEPARATISTS purg'd and unmix'd Congregation all 's a case when once the man is made to think it cannot be had in the Church of ENGLAND If they who are so easily Proselyted either way would take time to look before they leap and could but see into the consequents of those very Arguments which most prevail with them and are made the Traps to catch them in they would stand off a little and ask a few Questions more for their better Satisfaction before they could endure to think of entring into a Communion which would oblige them as ever they hope to be saved themselves to believe that CHRIST hath no faithful Followers upon Earth but a few Subjects of the POPE of Rome I can easily perceive by divers Books written by them who call themselves Converts that the main Motive of their going over to the ROMAN Church was this That they could not hope to be saved in any other And I find that most Arguments of late used to persuade us to that Religion look the very same way And it is this Doctrine alone that hath put me upon this Enquiry for my own Satisfaction For I must needs confess that this Doctrine which some acount so powerful a Persuasive to Popery has always with me had the quite contrary effect to what I find it hath in them and has been and is at this present to me as strong a Dissuasive from it If I can never be a PAPIST till I can believe it I am very confident I shall never be one I would leave the Church of ENGLAND the next Minute should she require of me to believe that all out of her Communion were in a state of Damnation and truly I think that most PROTESTANTS are of my mind When therefore I found the REPRESENTER in good earnest to vindicate his Church in this one Point I presently concluded that he had writ his whole Book to no purpose for let him spend all his Oyl and Colours in painting POPERY to the best advantage so long as this one Spot appears in her Face she may possibly seem in her new Dress less terrible but not one jot more lovely Having told us That no one can arrive to the true knowledg of the Catholick Faith but by receiving it as proposed and believed by the Church of CHRIST and that the ROMAN CATHOLICK is the only true Church that whosoever denies any Article of her Faith denies so much of CHRIST's Doctrine That whosoever hears Her hears CHRIST and whosoever obstinately and wilfully is separated from Her is in the same distance separated from CHRIST himself and finally That God addeth to this Church daily such as shall be saved He hath told us enough to persuade us that no PROTESTANT in the World could have done that Church a greater diskindness than he hath done nor by any Misrepresentation of her have worse Represented her When the PAPISTS are pleas'd to ask us that unanswerable Question as they account it Where was your Religion before LUTHER They wish us withal to take into our Serious Consideration the state of our Forefathers who lived and died in the Religion of the Church of ROME asking us if we dare think that they were all damn'd We need not trouble our heads with shaping an Answer to so frivolous a Question because we durst never yet be so hardy as to affirm that all are damn'd who live and die in the Communion of the Church of ROME but do openly declare to the World that tho we think our own Religion the safest yet many of that Communion have been heretofore and many also are at this day under such
her Soveraignty It will therefore concern me to ask How I may be rightly inform'd in both these great branches of her Power unto which my subjection is required upon pain of Damnation 1. She claims a Power of Interpreting or giving the certain Sense of Scripture of Iudging and finally Deciding all Controversies of Religion of peremptorily Defining and Determining in all matters of Faith and Religious Practice so that all are bound without any further dispute or search to submit to all her Determinations and Decrees INFALLIBLE then we must believe this Church to be and that she cannot Err in her Definitions of Faith and Manners And yet where this INFALLIBILITY is to be found is a Question she is not to this day able to resolve In short I find that this Infallible Church which tells us that she cannot Err when she is desired to make this apparent to the World can tell us certainly both How and in What she can Err and in this I doubt not but she is Infallible enough but who they are in all her Communion or in what things it is that they cannot err this she could never tell us certainly and yet it is this alone that can make her Infallibility if she have it to be of any use to us The REPRESENTER saith That the PAPIST believes that the Pastors and Prelates of his Church are Fallible that there is none of them and yet the POPE is one of them and COUNCILS are made up of them but may fall into Errors Heresy and Schism and consequently are subject to mistakes And further he tells us That tho some allow the POPE the assistance of a Divine Infallibility without being in a General Council yet he is satisfied 't is only their Opinion and not their Faith there being no obligation from the Church of assenting to any such Doctrine And tho he maintain the Necessity and Right of General Councils lawfully Assembled yet is it not so plain whether he count them infallible or no by what he says in that Chapter of Councils This we are told That if any thing contrary to what Christ taught and his Apostles should be defined and commanded to be believed even by ten thousand Councils he believes it damnable in any one to receive it But in the following Chapter he speaks out and says That by the Assistance of the Holy Ghost they are specially protected from all Error in all Definitions and Declarations in matters of Faith And this is true tho he grants it possible that the Pastors and Prelates there assembled may be proud ignorant covetous enormous sinners and infamous for other vices and at other times may prevaricate make Innovations in Faith and teach erroneous Doctrines Now a man would think That if all the Guides and Pastors of the Flock not one excepted may err then the Sheep which are bound to follow their Shepherds may err also and if the Fallible lead the Fallible 't is not impossible for both to err and who it is that is infallible is hard to see And again seeing he tells us That Christ committed the care of his Flock to St. Peter and that the POPE or Bishop of Rome is in this charge St. Peter ' s Successor and that God assists those who have this charge with a particular helping Grace such as has a special respect to the Office and Function and that such as was given to the Prophets and to Moses when he was made a God to Pharoah I cannot see but it must be as consequent to all this that the POPE should be Infallible as that a General Council is so especially when it is his Approbation that gives force to its Decrees Moreover it is not easy to believe that God hath made a promise of Infallible Assistance to any number of Pastors and Prelates who are no better qualified than he supposes they may most of them be with Pride Ignorance and Vice Turbulence and Covetousness and assembled it may be under an Heretical Pope for such 't is granted he may be and as vicious too and ignorant as any of them However there are two things which make it very hard to find out this Infalliblility where he sends us to seek it in a General Council For first they must be lawfully assembled and next they must determine nothing contrary to what Christ and his Apostles taught otherwise 't is damnable to receive their Determinations Now it will be hard for me to find out how lawfully they were assembled and therefore as hard to believe all their Decrees as Infallible and I fear I must not be allow'd to examine their Definitions whether they be according to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles or no lest I thereby seem to follow my own private Iudgment or Spirit rather than the Infallible Iudgment of the Church Representative This is all then that I can learn from his Discourse I must take it for a Truth that this Infallibility is lodg'd in a General Council and that it can determine nothing contrary to the Doctrine of Christ and his Apostles and then I need not inquire whether it have done so or no tho if it have done so 't is damnable for me to receive its Determinations But I will hear what others tell me Bellarmin saith That all Catholicks are thus far agreed That the POPE as he is POPE in the midst of his Councellors or together with a General COUNCIL may Err or Iudg amiss in matters of Fact. And if this be true he may even so err in the whole Faith as far as I can yet see for he may thus err in determining that there were such Men as Christ and his Apostles that any of them Preached planted Churches writ Books that these are their Books or that St. Peter was at ROME and was Bishop there left the Bishops of that See his Successors in all his Power that there hath been an uninterrupted Succession of Bishops in that Church that any unwritten Traditions concerning Faith and Manners were left to the Custody of the Church and many more such things which were matters of Fact and on which the Faith of that Church depends Again he saith That the POPE as a private Doctor may Err even through Ignorance in matters both of Faith and Manners And thus the Church whether Virtual or Representative may err But I would fain hear wherein she cannot Err and whether all Catholicks are agreed as well in that The famous Chancellor of Paris Gerson Almain Alphonsus a Castro the Parisian Doctors yea and no less man than P. ADRIAN the VI th saith the same Author have taught That the POPE as he is POPE may be a Heretick and teach Heresy when he desineth any thing without a General COUNCIL And truly If as a Man he may be a Heretick I see no reason why he may not be so as a POPE for I take the Man and the POPE to be here both one But further these last named will
Deposing and King-killing Power has been maintained by some Canonists and Divines of his Church and that it is in their Opinion lawful and annex'd to the Papal Chair And that some Popes have endeavour'd to act according to this Power Yet is he not willing that Hereticks of any sort should carry away the Honour which Bellarmin bestow'd upon them of a Loyal Religion but saith That there are of his Communion three times the number that publickly disown all such Authority that some Universities and Provincial Councils have condemn'd it and that Popish Princes sit as safe on their Thrones as others Yea and he will engage that all Catholick Nations in the World shall subscribe to the Condemnation of all such Popish Principles and Doctrines and shall join with all good Protestants for the extinguishing them with all that profess and practice them and utter rooting them out of his Majesties three Kingdoms and the whole Universe I must do him right notwithstanding all this for he hath not said That the whole Church of ROME or any General Council hath condemn'd this Doctrine or that it is by publick Authority for the offence it gives rased out of the Canon-Law nor the LATERAN Council nor that Protestant Princes can sit as safely in Popish Countries as Popish Princes may in Protestant Countries And when he tells us That the Sentence of the Supreme Pastor is to be obey'd whether he be Infallible or no altho I have a great Opinion of the Loyalty of many PAPISTS I durst hardly engage for his if there should chance to be such a POPE again as himself confesseth some have been But what saith Bellarmin A third sort there is that takes a middle way and he names not a few of them himself being one of the number These hold that the POPE as POPE hath indeed no Temporal Power directly and immediately but Spiritually only And such as he makes it there needs no more for it will serve his Holiness as well and the Hereticks as ill to all intents and purposes yea even to the deposing of Princes as the greatest Temporal Power in the World. For saith he by reason of this Spiritual he hath also at least indirectly a Temporal Power and that no less than the highest And even as the Spirit or Soul hath Power over the Flesh to Chastise and even to deliver it up to Death in order to the Spiritual ends of the Soul So also may the POPE tho not as an ordinary Iudg yet as an extraordinary in order to spiritual Ends change Kingdoms taking them from one and giving them to another abrogate the Civil Laws of Princes and determine of their Rights This I am sure is more than ever St. Peter had by Virtue either of the Rock or Keys or Pastoral Staff and I am confident he never thought of half this when he charged all Men to submit to the King as SUPREME 1 Pet. 2. 13. Nor when v. 17. bidding us Honour all Men love the Brotherhood fear God honour the King he omitted to mind us of the great Duty of all the Subjection we must yield to his Successors the Bishops of ROME especially when he might well suppose we should have been much apter to have learn'd it of himself than of any of his Successors 'T is time for me now I think to consider into what a Labyrinth I must run my self by going over to the Church of ROME and how I can behave my self when I come there I am going into a Church out of which I am told there is no Salvation yet I cannot foresee that this Church her self can tell me surely how I may be saved in it Of this Church I am told I cannot be a Member to any purpose if I be not in all things Subject and Obedient to the Supreme Head of it the POPE And subject to him I cannot be if I actively obey not his Commands for passive Obedience is now become the despised Badg of a Heretick But what the POPE's Power to command is I can meet with no Body that can certainly inform me It is an absolute Power over all the World say some No say others but only over Christians and in things Spiritual Well says the third Party tho it be directly and immediately only Spiritual yet it is no less for that but in order to Spirituals it reacheth over all both Temporal Persons Laws and Iudgments All this Power is in me only saith the POPE You are too hasty Sir say some Councils and the Doctors of France for the chief Power is by Christ himself given to the Council and even to put down and set up POPES as they would deal with Kings and Emperors Which of these now must I believe and obey The Prince under whose Government I live may command me one thing and the POPE my Spiritual Father may command the contrary How must I now do to bear my self evenly betwixt two such Masters I consult my Spiritual Guides and take the best Advice I can get some say one thing and some another and which to believe I stand in need of another Guide to direct me nay the Church it self knew I where to find her so visible is She could not tell me which is in the right If I believe those who tell me the POPE has no Power in Temporal matters then is my Prince in all such Matters to be obey'd say the POPE what he will to the contrary If I hearken to them that tell me the POPE has a fulness of Power in all both Temporal and Spiritual matters I must obey my Prince in nothing without the POPE's leave If I listen to them who say The POPE's Power in Temporal matters is indeed the highest Power yet indirectly only and in order to Spiritual ends then am I so far to obey it and no farther And here I am at as great a loss as ever for who shall judg for me whether his Commands be needful for Spiritual ends or no It is very unlikely that my Prince and the Pope should agree in the Determination of this Point and the difference being between them two and their Commands to whose award will they stand I must here necessarily be left to the Direction of my own or some other private Iudgment and which side soever I take it is an even Wager whether I can be saved I have been considering all this while for my self alone and the satisfaction of my own Conscience I presume not to judg for nor of others They who have more Light and better Eyes may go on more confidently 't is all my care to go safely for my self and as inoffensively as I can to all others I see many Wise men among ROMAN-CATHOLICKS and I dare not say the contrary but that they are of another Religion than I because they are Wiser and better able to chuse than I. If I chuse as wisely as I can for my self I cannot do any better for my self and I doubt not of being saved whilst I do so well And if it should prove so that I chuse the worse he hath no reason to be angry with me to whom I leave and do not grudg the better I cannot yet think it necessary to Salvation to believe that Church Infallible which not only in my opinion but in the Iudgment of all other Christians and they are 〈…〉 and more hath often Erred and doth very grosy 〈◊〉 many things and which if we ask her can her sâ—lf only tell us who they be in her Communion that can Err but not who they be that cannot Nor can I think it safe to be of that Church where I may not be allow'd to judg or try whether Error be taught me or no. I cannot think I am bound to Judg either my self or others in a state of Damnation for not denying our Senses or captivating our Iudgments to the Iudgment of an Infallible Church which could never determine where her Iudgment or Infallibility is certainly to be found Or for not obeying the Head of that Church which hath sometimes no Head sometimes many Heads and is always uncertain which is her Head or where it stands If I must thus believe and thus obey no body can tell me what and declare I do all this or in the Judgment of that Church which must be believ'd Infallible be no better for turning PAPIST then I verily think I am much safer as I am a poor PROTESTANT I am sure I may as safely as I can freely captivate my Iudgment both in Faith and Practice to the Doctrine and Laws of the Blessed JESUS whom all Christians unanimously acknowledg both the SUPREME and INFALLIBLE HEAD of the Universal Church I will no longer lose my labour in seeking an Infallible Guide which almost every body can tell me of but no man can certainly shew me Instead of an Ecclesiastical Monarch on Eâ—â—â—h I will content my self with that Blessed and only Potentate King of kings and Lord of lords whom his Father hath made Sole HEAD of the CHURCH which is his Body who long since told us that his Kingdom is not of this World as I fear the POPE's too much is FINIS * De verb. Dei. l. 1. c. 1. Tertul. de Praesct c. 25. Iren. cont Haer. l. 3. c. 2. Tert. adv Hermog c. 22. Iren. l. 3. c. 1. Aug. l. 2. cont Donat Pap. Repr p. 35. Ibid. p. 37 38. Bel. de Eccles l. 3. c. 5. Bonacin de Lensur D. 2. q. 5. p. 1. from Vasquez and others Tol. Instruct Sacerd l. 4. c. 3. Instr. Sacerd l. 1 c. 18. Prefat de Rom. Pontif. Stapleton Tripl c. 15. De Rom. Pont. l. 1. c. 10. Almain de Auth. Eccles. c. 3.