Selected quad for the lemma: doctrine_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
doctrine_n	church_n	rome_n	transubstantiation_n	3,421	5	11.4318	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47336	A second dialogue between a new Catholick convert and a Protestant shewing why he cannot believe the doctrine of transubstantiation, though he do firmly believe the doctrine of the Trinity.	Kidder, Richard, 1633-1703.	1687 (1687)	Wing K411; ESTC R17457	3,659	8

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