Selected quad for the lemma: doctrine_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
doctrine_n	church_n	rome_n	transubstantiation_n	3,421	5	11.4318	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A05161	A relation of the conference betweene William Lavvd, then, Lrd. Bishop of St. Davids; now, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury: and Mr. Fisher the Jesuite by the command of King James of ever blessed memorie. VVith an answer to such exceptions as A.C. takes against it. By the sayd Most Reverend Father in God, William, Lord Arch-Bishop of Canterbury.	Laud, William, 1573-1645.	1639 (1639)	STC 15298; ESTC S113162	390,425	418

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50._o which_o belarmine_n do_v that_o we_o be_v able_a to_o prove_v the_o book_n of_o scripture_n to_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o some_o authority_n that_o be_v absolute_o divine_a for_o if_o they_o be_v warrant_v unto_o we_o by_o any_o authority_n less_o than_o divine_a than_o all_o thing_n contain_v in_o they_o which_o have_v no_o great_a assurance_n than_o the_o scripture_n in_o which_o they_o be_v read_v be_v not_o object_n of_o divine_a belief_n and_o that_o once_o grant_v will_v enforce_v we_o to_o yield_v that_o all_o the_o article_n of_o christian_a belief_n have_v no_o great_a assurance_n then_o humane_a or_o moral_a faith_n or_o credulity_n can_v afford_v a_o authority_n then_o simple_o divine_a must_v make_v good_a the_o scripture_n infallibility_n at_o least_o in_o the_o last_o resolution_n of_o our_o faith_n in_o that_o point_v this_o authority_n can_v be_v any_o testimony_n or_o voice_n of_o the_o ibid._n the_o ecclesiam_fw-la spiritu_fw-la afflatam_fw-la 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invite_v the_o fox_n to_o his_o own_o den._n aesop._n horat._n l._n 1._o ep._n 1._o ex_fw-la aesop._n yea_o but_o there_o be_v safe_a conduct_v offer_v too_o yes_o conduct_v perhaps_o but_o not_o safe_a or_o safe_a perhaps_o for_o go_v thither_o but_o none_o for_o come_v thence_o vestigia_fw-la nulla_fw-la retrorsùm_fw-la yea_o but_o it_o shall_v have_v be_v to_o a_o general_n council_n perhaps_o so_o but_o be_v the_o conduct_n safe_a that_o be_v give_v for_o come_v to_o a_o council_n which_o they_o call_v general_n to_o some_o other_o before_o they_o no_o sure_a violate_v sure_a though_o i_o can_v justify_v all_o which_o these_o two_o man_n say_v yet_o safe_a conduct_n be_v give_v that_o public_a faith_n ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v violate_v john_n hus_n and_o jerome_n of_o prage_n burn_v for_o all_o their_o safe_a conduct_n and_o so_o long_o as_o inquiri_fw-la as_o affirmant_fw-la uno_fw-la consensu_fw-la omnes_fw-la catholici_fw-la debere_fw-la haereticis_fw-la seruari_fw-la fidem_fw-la sive_fw-la salvus_fw-la conductus_fw-la concedatur_fw-la jure_fw-la communi_fw-la sive_fw-la speciali_fw-la bec._n dis._n theol._n de_fw-fr fide_fw-la haereticis_fw-la servandâ_fw-la c._n 12._o §._o 5._o but_o for_o all_o this_o brag_v of_o affirmant_fw-la uno_fw-la consensu_fw-la omnes_fw-la catholici_fw-la becanus_n shuffle_n pitiful_o to_o defend_v the_o council_n of_o constance_n for_o thus_o he_o argue_v fides_n non_fw-la est_fw-la violata_fw-la hussio_n non_fw-fr à_fw-fr patribus_fw-la illi_fw-la enim_fw-la fidem_fw-la non_fw-la dederunt_fw-la non_fw-la ab_fw-la imperatore_n sigismundo_n ille_fw-la enim_fw-la dedit_fw-la fidem_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la violavit_fw-la ibid._n §._o 7._o but_o all_o man_n know_v that_o the_o emperor_n be_v use_v by_o the_o father_n at_o constance_n to_o bring_v husse_n thither_o sigismundus_n hussum_fw-la constantiam_fw-la vocat_fw-la &_o missis_fw-la literis_fw-la publicâ_fw-la fide_fw-la cavet_fw-la mense_fw-la octob._n ann._n 1414._o etc._n etc._n edit_n in_o 160._o et_fw-la etiamsi_fw-la primò_fw-la graviter_fw-la tulit_fw-la hussi_fw-fr in_fw-la carcerationem_fw-la tamen_fw-la cum_fw-la dicerent_fw-la fidem_fw-la haereticis_fw-la non_fw-la esse_fw-la servandam_fw-la non_fw-la modo_fw-la remisit_fw-la offensionem_fw-la sed_fw-la &_o primus_fw-la accrbè_fw-la in_o eum_fw-la pronunciav_v it_o ibid._n this_o be_v a_o mockery_n and_o becanus_n his_o argument_n be_v easy_o return_v upon_o himself_o for_o if_o the_o father_n do_v it_o in_o cunning_a that_o the_o emperor_n shall_v give_v safe_a conduct_n which_o themselves_o mean_v not_o to_o keep_v than_o they_o break_v faith_n and_o if_o the_o emperor_n know_v they_o will_v not_o keep_v it_o than_o he_o himself_o break_v faith_n in_o give_v a_o safe_a conduct_n which_o he_o know_v to_o be_v invalid_a and_o as_o easy_a it_o be_v to_o answer_v what_o becanus_n add_v to_o save_v that_o counsel_n act_n can_v i_o stay_v upon_o it_o fides_n haereticis_fw-la data_fw-la servanda_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la sicut_fw-la nec_fw-la tyrannis_fw-la piratis_fw-la &_o c●…teris_fw-la publicis_fw-la praedonibus_fw-la etc._n etc._n simanca_n jnstit_fw-la tit._n 46._o §._o 51._o and_o although_o becanus_n in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v §._o 13._o confident_o deny_v that_o the_o father_n at_o constance_n decree_v no_o faith_n to_o be_v keep_v with_o heretic_n and_o cite_v the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n sess._n 19_o yet_o there_o the_o very_a word_n themselves_o have_v it_o thus_o posse_fw-la concilium_fw-la choose_fw-la punire_fw-la etc._n etc._n etiamsi_fw-la de_fw-la salvo_fw-la conductu_fw-la consisi_fw-la ad_fw-la locum_fw-la ven●…rint_fw-la judicii_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o much_o more_o plain_o simanca_n just._n tit._n 46._o §._o 52._o jureigitur_fw-la haeretici_fw-la quidam_fw-la gravissimo_fw-la concilii_fw-la constantiensis_n judicio_fw-la legitimâ_fw-la flammâ_fw-la concremati_fw-la sunt_fw-la quamvis_fw-la promi●…sa_fw-la illis_fw-la securitas_fw-la fuisset_fw-la so_o they_o be_v not_o only_a protestant_n which_o charge_n the_o council_n of_o constance_n with_o this_o nor_o can_v becanus_n say_v as_o ●…e_n do_v affirmant_fw-la uno_fw-la consensu_fw-la omnes_fw-la catholici_fw-la sidem_fw-la hareticis_fw-la servandam_fw-la esse_fw-la for_o simanca_n deny_v it_o and_o he_o quote_v other_o for_o it_o which_o a._n c._n will_v be_v loath_a shall_v not_o be_v account_v catholic_n but_o how_o faithful_o simanca_n say_v the_o one_o or_o becanus_n the_o other_o let_v they_o take_v it_o between_o they_o and_o the_o reader_n be_v judge_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n the_o very_a title_n of_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n sess._n 19_o be_v this_o quodnon_fw-fr obstantibus_fw-la salvis_fw-la conductibus_fw-la jmperatoris_fw-la regum_fw-la etc._n etc._n possit_fw-la per_fw-la indicem_fw-la competentem_fw-la de_fw-la haeretica_fw-la p●…te_fw-la inquiri_fw-la the_o jeiesuite_n write_v and_o maintain_v that_o faith_n give_v be_v not_o to_o be_v keep_v with_o heretic_n and_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n leave_v this_o lewd_a doctrine_n uncensured_a as_o it_o have_v hitherto_o do_v and_o no_o exception_n put_v in_o of_o force_n and_o violence_n a._n c_o shall_v pardon_v we_o that_o we_o come_v not_o to_o rome_n nor_o within_o the_o reach_n of_o roman_a power_n what_o freedom_n of_o speech_n soever_o be_v promise_v we_o for_o to_o what_o end_n freedom_n of_o speech_n on_o their_o part_n 1612._o part_n for_o so_o much_o a._n c._n confess_v p._n 45._o for_o if_o they_o shall_v give_v way_n to_o the_o alter_n of_o one_o then_o why_o not_o of_o another_o and_o another_o and_o so_o of_o all_o and_o the_o trent_n father_n in_o a_o great_a point_n of_o doctrine_n be_v amaze_v and_o not_o know_v what_o to_o answer_v to_o a_o bishop_n of_o their_o own_o yet_o be_v resolve_v not_o to_o part_v with_o their_o common_a error_n certum_fw-la tamen_fw-la er_fw-mi at_o doctrinam_fw-la eam_fw-la non_fw-la probare_fw-la sed_fw-la 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christ_n natural_a body_n to_o be_v in_o the_o sacrament_n by_o spirit_n and_o grace_n etc._n etc._n you_o make_v a_o grosser_n kind_n of_o be_v enclose_v a_o natural_a body_n under_o the_o shape_n and_o form_n of_o bread_n and_o wine_n so_o far_o and_o more_o bishop_n ridley_n and_o 1703._o and_o apud_fw-la fox_n ibid._n p._n 1703._o archbishop_n cranmer_n confess_v that_o he_o be_v indeed_o of_o another_o opinion_n and_o incline_v to_o that_o of_o zuinglius_fw-la till_o bishop_n ridley_n convince_v his_o judgement_n and_o settle_v he_o in_o this_o point_n and_o for_o 32._o for_o tantùm_fw-la de_fw-la modo_fw-la quastio_fw-la est_fw-la etc._n etc._n et_fw-la facessat_fw-la calumnia_fw-la auferri_fw-la christum_fw-la à_fw-la coenà_fw-la suà_fw-la etc._n etc._n calv._n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 17._o §._o 31._o veritatem_fw-la dei_fw-la in_o quâ_fw-la acquiescere_fw-la tutò_fw-la licet_fw-la sine_fw-la controversia_fw-la amplectar_fw-la pronun●…i_n it_o ille_fw-la carnem_fw-la svam_fw-la 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heresy_n 66._o pun._n 5._o a._n c._n p._n 66._o schism_n or_o any_o other_o sin_n in_o resolve_v to_o live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n that_o be_v not_o so_o neither_o for_o he_o that_o live_v in_o the_o roman_a church_n with_o such_o a_o resolution_n be_v presume_v to_o believe_v as_o that_o church_n believe_v and_o he_o that_o do_v so_o i_o will_v not_o say_v be_v as_o guilty_a but_o guilty_a he_o be_v more_o or_o less_o of_o the_o schism_n which_o that_o church_n first_o cause_v by_o her_o corruption_n and_o now_o continue_v by_o they_o and_o her_o power_n together_o and_o of_o all_o her_o damnable_a opinion_n too_o in_o point_n of_o misbelief_n though_o perhaps_o a._n c._n will_v not_o have_v they_o call_v heresy_n unless_o they_o have_v be_v condemn_v in_o some_o general_n council_n and_o of_o all_o other_o sin_n also_o which_o the_o doctrine_n and_o misbelief_n of_o that_o church_n lead_v he_o into_o and_o mark_v it_o i_o pray_v for_o it_o be_v one_o thing_n to_o 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the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v solemn_o decree_v her_o error_n and_o err_v have_v yet_o decree_v withal_o that_o she_o can_v err_v and_o impose_v upon_o learned_a man_n dispute_v and_o improbable_a opinion_n transubstantiation_n purgatory_n and_o forbearance_n of_o the_o cup_n in_o the_o bless_a eucharist_n even_o against_o the_o express_a command_n of_o our_o saviour_n and_o that_o for_o article_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o keep_v off_o disobedience_n what_o ever_o the_o corruption_n be_v she_o have_v bind_v up_o her_o decree_n upon_o pain_n of_o excommunication_n and_o all_o that_o follow_v upon_o it_o nay_o this_o be_v not_o enough_o unless_o the_o faggot_n be_v kindle_v to_o light_v they_o the_o way_n this_o than_o may_v be_v enough_o for_o we_o to_o leave_v rome_n though_o the_o old_a prophet_n forsake_v not_o israel_n 3._o reg._n 13._o and_o therefore_o in_o this_o present_a case_n there_o be_v peril_n great_a peril_n of_o 11._o 3._o reg._n 13._o 11._o damnable_a both_o schism_n and_o heresy_n and_o other_o sin_n by_o live_v and_o die_v in_o the_o roman_a faith_n taint_v with_o so_o many_o superstition_n as_o at_o this_o day_n it_o be_v and_o their_o tyranny_n to_o boot_v so_o that_o here_o i_o may_v answer_v a._n c._n just_a as_o 108._o as_o petilianus_n dixit_fw-la venite_fw-la ad_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la populi_fw-la &_o ausugite_fw-la traditores_fw-la ita_fw-la orth●…doxos_n tum_fw-la appellavit_fw-la si_fw-la cum_fw-la iisdem_fw-la perire_fw-la non_fw-la vulus_fw-la nam_fw-la ut_fw-la facile_fw-la cognoscatis_fw-la quod_fw-la ipsi_fw-la sunt_fw-la rci_fw-la de_fw-fr fide_fw-la nostra_fw-la optimè_fw-la judicant_fw-la ego_fw-la illorum_fw-la infectos_fw-la baptizo_fw-la illi_fw-la meos_fw-la quod_fw-la absit_fw-la recipiunt_fw-la baptizatos_fw-la quae_fw-la omnino_fw-la non_fw-la facerent_fw-la si_fw-la in_o baptismo_fw-la nostro_fw-la culpas_fw-la aliquas_fw-la agnoviss●…nt_fw-la videte_fw-la ergo_fw-la quod_fw-la damus_fw-la quam_fw-la sanctum_fw-la sit_fw-la quod_fw-la destivere_fw-la metuit_fw-la sacrilegus_fw-la inimicus_fw-la s._n august_n respondet_fw-la sic_fw-la approbam●…s_fw-la in_o ha●…reticis_fw-la baptismum_fw-la non_fw-la haercticorum_fw-la sed_fw-la christi_fw-la sicut_fw-la in_o fornicatoribus_fw-la idololatr●…_n veneficis_fw-la etc._n etc._n approbamus_fw-la baptismum_fw-la non_fw-la corum_fw-la sed_fw-la christi_fw-la omnes_fw-la enim_fw-la isti_fw-la inter_fw-la quos_fw-la &_o haerctici_fw-la sunt_fw-la sicut_fw-la dicit_fw-la apostolus_fw-la regnum_fw-la dei_fw-la non_fw-la possidebunt_fw-la etc._n etc._n s._n august_n l._n 2._o cont_n lit._n petiliani_fw-la c._n 108._o s._n augustine_n answer_v petilian_n the_o donatist_n in_o the_o forenamed_a case_n of_o baptism_n for_o when_o petilian_n plead_v the_o concession_n of_o his_o adversary_n that_o baptism_n as_o the_o donatist_n administer_v it_o be_v good_a and_o lawful_a and_o thence_o infer_v just_a as_o the_o jesuite_n do_v against_o i_o that_o it_o be_v better_a for_o man_n to_o join_v with_o his_o congregation_n then_o with_o the_o church_n s._n augustine_n answer_v we_o do_v indeed_o approve_v among_o h●…reticks_n baptism_n

error_n and_o superstition_n which_o suit_n not_o with_o my_o own_o fancy_n but_o how_o can_v this_o possible_o be_v since_o i_o submit_v my_o judgement_n in_o all_o humility_n to_o the_o scripture_n interpret_v by_o the_o primitive_a church_n and_o upon_o new_a and_o necessary_a doubt_n to_o the_o judgement_n of_o a_o lawful_a and_o free_a general_n council_n and_o this_o i_o do_v from_o my_o very_a heart_n and_o do_v abhor_v in_o matter_n of_o religion_n that_o my_o own_o or_o any_o private_a man_n fancy_n shall_v take_v any_o place_n and_o least_o of_o all_o against_o thing_n general_o hold_v or_o practise_v by_o the_o universal_a church_n which_o to_o oppose_v in_o such_o thing_n be_v certain_o as_o 5._o as_o s._n aug._n epist._n ●…8_n 〈◊〉_d 5._o s._n augustine_n call_v it_o insolentissimae_fw-la insaniae_fw-la a_o attempt_n of_o most_o insolent_a madness_n but_o those_o thing_n which_o the_o church_n of_o england_n charge_n upon_o the_o roman_a party_n to_o be_v superstitious_a 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this_o but_o roman_a and_o catholic_a whether_o church_n or_o faith_n must_v be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o with_o he_o and_o therefore_o infer_v that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o make_v a_o schism_n or_o division_n from_o the_o whole_a church_n for_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v universal_o err_v in_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o whole_a church_n can_v universal_o err_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n be_v most_o true_a and_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o diverse_a 2._o diverse_a quaestio_fw-la est_fw-la an_z ecclesia_fw-la totalis_fw-la toteliter_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 1._o pro_fw-la omnibus_fw-la simul_fw-la electis_fw-la dum_fw-la sunt_fw-la membra_fw-la m●…tis_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la possint_fw-la errare_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o totâ_fw-la fi●…e_fw-la vel_fw-la in_o gravi_fw-la aliquo_fw-la fidei_fw-la puncto_fw-la et_fw-la respondemus_fw-la simplicitèr_fw-la 〈◊〉_d esse_fw-la impossibile_fw-it keckerm_n syst._n theol._n p._n 387_o edit_n hannoviae_fw-la an._n 1602._o calvinus_n &_o caeteri_fw-la haeretici_fw-la concedunt_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la absolutè_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la deficcre_fw-la sed_fw-la dicunt_fw-la intelligi_fw-la debere_fw-la de_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la invi●…_n bellarm._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr eccles_n milit._n c._n 13._o §._o 1._o but_o this_o exception_n of_o bellarmine_n that_o the_o protestant_n who_o out_o of_o his_o liberality_n he_o call_v heretic_n speak_v of_o the_o in●…isible_a church_n be_v mere_o frivolous_a for_o the_o church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o church_n of_o they_o that_o be_v call_v and_o the_o invisible_a church_n in_o the_o visible_a therefore_o if_o the_o whole_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n can_v err_v in_o fundamental_o the_o whole_a visible_a church_n in_o which_o the_o same_o elect_n be_v can_v err_v now_o that_o the_o invisible_a church_n of_o the_o elect_n be_v in_o the_o visible_a be_v manifest_a out_o of_o s._n aug._n ipsa_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la quae_fw-la intra_fw-la sagenam_fw-la dominicam_fw-la cum_fw-la malis_fw-la piscibus_fw-la natat_fw-la s._n aug._n epist._n 48._o grana_n sunt_fw-la inter_fw-la illam_fw-la palcam_fw-la quando_fw-la area_n cum_fw-la videretur_fw-la tota_fw-la palea_fw-la putabatur_fw-la s._n aug._n in_o psal._n 121._o and_o this_o be_v prove_v at_o large_a by_o hooker_n l._n 3._o eccles._n pol._n §._o 1._o for_o else_o the_o elect_a or_o invisible_a church_n be_v tie_v to_o no_o duty_n of_o christianity_n for_o all_o such_o duty_n be_v require_v of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o perform_v in_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v visible_a and_o d_o r._n field_n speak_v as_o plain_o we_o hold_v it_o impossible_a that_o the_o church_n shall_v ever_o by_o apostasy_n and_o misbelief_n whole_o depart_v from_o god_n etc._n etc._n so_o we_o hold_v that_o it_o never_o fall_v into_o heresy_n so_o that_o bellarmine_n be_v as_o much_o to_o be_v blame_v for_o idle_a and_o needless_a busy_v himself_o to_o prove_v that_o the_o visible_a church_n never_o 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catholic_a church_n can_v err_v if_o it_o keep_v to_o the_o scripture_n then_o for_o bellarmine_n to_o say_v the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n can_v err_v because_o of_o the_o pope_n reside_v there_o or_o the_o pope_n can_v

err_v if_o he_o keep_v his_o chair_n which_o yet_o he_o affirm_v l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n 4._o §._o 2._o protestant_n so_o you_o will_v but_o understand_v it_o be_v not_o err_v in_o absolute_a fundamental_a doctrine_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v true_a also_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o just_a cause_n to_o make_v a_o schism_n from_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o here_o be_v the_o iesuite_n cunning._n the_o whole_a church_n with_o he_o be_v the_o roman_a and_o those_o part_n of_o christendom_n which_o subject_n themselves_o to_o the_o roman_a bishop_n all_o other_o part_n of_o christendom_n be_v in_o heresy_n and_o schism_n and_o what_o a._n c._n please_v nay_o soft_a for_o another_o church_n may_v separate_v from_o rome_n if_o rome_n will_v separate_v from_o christ._n and_o so_o far_o as_o it_o separate_v from_o he_o and_o the_o faith_n so_o far_o may_v another_o church_n sever_v from_o it_o and_o th●…s_o be_v all_o that_o the_o learned_a protestant_n do_v or_o can_v 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id_fw-la est_fw-la e●…clesia_n ●…tur_fw-la fluctibus_fw-la in_o profundo_fw-la &c_n &c_n sed_fw-la quia_fw-la christus_fw-la orat_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la mergi_fw-la s._n aug._n serm_n 14_o de_fw-la verb._n domi._n c_o 2._o et_fw-fr b●…llar_n l._n 3_o ac_fw-la eccle_n milit_fw-la c._n 13._o praesidi●…_n christi_fw-la ful●…itur_fw-la eccl●…siae_fw-la perpetuitas_fw-la ut_fw-la inter_fw-la turbulentas_fw-la a●…itationes_fw-la &_o formi●…abiles_fw-la m●…tus_fw-la etc._n etc._n salva_fw-la tam●…n_fw-la maneat_fw-la c●…_n l._n 2._o instit_fw-la c._n 15._o §._o 3._o ipsa_fw-la symboli_fw-la 〈◊〉_d admonemur_fw-la perpetuam_fw-la resid●…re_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la christi_fw-la remission_n m_o peccatorum_fw-la calv._n l._n 4._o inst._n c._n 1._o §._o 17._o now_o remission_n of_o sin_n can_v be_v perpetual_a in_o the_o church_n if_o the_o church_n itself_o be_v 〈◊〉_d perpetual_a but_o the_o church_n itself_o can_v be_v perpetual_a if_o it_o fall_v away_o all_o divine_a ancient_n and_o 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5_o hist._n eccl._n c._n 9_o ex_fw-la l●…bello_fw-la synodico_fw-la à_fw-la council_n constantinop_n 2._o transmisse_fw-la ad_fw-la concilium_fw-la sub_fw-la damaso_n tum_fw-la romae_fw-la coactum_fw-la et_fw-la constantinopolitana_n ecclesiae_fw-la dicitur_fw-la omnium_fw-la aliarum_fw-la capus_fw-la cod._n l_o 1._o tit._n 2._o leg._n 24._o that_o be_v not_o simple_o of_o all_o church_n but_o of_o all_o in_o that_o patriarchate_n and_o so_o rome_n be_v the_o head_n of_o all_o in_o the_o roman_a patriarchate_n jerusalem_n be_v that_o and_o so_o not_o catholic_a as_o a_o fountain_n or_o original_a or_o as_o the_o head_n or_o root_n of_o the_o catholic_a and_o because_o many_o romanist_n object_n here_o though_o a._n c._n do_v it_o not_o that_o s._n cyprian_n call_v the_o 8._o the_o 〈◊〉_d ecclesiae_fw-la catholic_a 〈◊〉_d &_o matricem_n agn●…rent_a &_o tencrent_a s._n cyp._n l._n 4._o epist._n 8._o roman_a church_n the_o root_n and_o matrix_fw-la of_o the_o catholic_a church_n of_o 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