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omnem_fw-la convenire_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la or_o that_o this_o be_v then_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n for_o eusebius_n emissenus_fw-la i_o can_v quote_v any_o particular_a proof_n out_o of_o he_o but_o his_o belief_n in_o this_o point_n be_v acknowledge_v by_o sancte_n repet_n 6._o c._n 7._o likewise_o for_o s._n austin_n the_o same_o sanctesius_n and_o binius_fw-la and_o maldonate_fw-it either_o not_o mindful_a or_o not_o regardful_a of_o the_o anathema_n of_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n acknowledge_v â—n_o the_o place_n above_o quote_v that_o he_o be_v also_o of_o the_o same_o belief_n and_o indeed_o he_o profess_v it_o so_o plain_o and_o so_o frequent_o that_o he_o must_v be_v a_o mere_a stranger_n to_o he_o that_o know_v it_o not_o and_o very_o impudent_a that_o deny_v it_o eucharistianâ—_n infantibus_fw-la puteâ—_n necessariam_fw-la augustinus_n say_v also_o the_o divine_n of_o
louvain_n in_o their_o index_n to_o their_o edition_n of_o s._n austin_n and_o they_o refer_v we_o in_o their_o index_n only_o to_o tom._n 2._o pag._n 185._o that_o be_v to_o the_o 106._o epist._n the_o word_n whereof_o i_o have_v already_o quote_v to_o show_v the_o meaning_n of_o innocentius_n and_o to_o tom._n 7._o pag._n 282._o that_o be_v lib._n 1._o de_fw-la pec_fw-la mer._n &_o remis_fw-la c._n 20._o where_o his_o word_n be_v let_v then_o all_o doubt_n be_v take_v away_o let_v we_o hear_v our_o lord_n i_o say_v say_v not_o of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o holy_a baptism_n but_o of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o his_o table_n to_o which_o nonâ—_n may_v lawful_o come_v but_o be_v which_o have_v be_v baptize_v unless_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n of_o the_o son_n and_o drink_v his_o blood_n you_o shall_v have_v no_o life_n in_o you_o what_o seek_v we_o any_o further_o what_o can_v be_v answer_v hereunto_o what_o will_v any_o man_n dare_v to_o say_v that_o this_o appertain_v not_o to_o little_a child_n and_o that_o without_o the_o participation_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n they_o may_v have_v life_n etc._n etc._n with_o much_o more_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n which_o place_n be_v indeed_o so_o plain_a and_o pregnant_a for_o that_o purpose_n that_o i_o believe_v they_o think_v it_o needless_a to_o add_v more_o otherwise_o have_v they_o please_v they_o night_n have_v furnish_v their_o index_n with_o many_o more_o referrence_n to_o this_o point_n as_o the_o pec._n mer._n &_o rem_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 24._o where_o of_o baptism_n and_o the_o eucharist_n he_o tell_v we_o that_o salus_n &_o vita_fw-la eterna_fw-la sine_fw-la his_fw-la frustra_fw-la promittitur_fw-la parvulis_fw-la the_o same_o he_o have_v cont._n 2._o epist._n pelag_n ad_fw-la bonifacium_fw-la l._n 1._o c._n 22._o which_o yet_o by_o gratian_n de_fw-fr consec_n d._n 3._o c._n nulli_fw-la and_o by_o tho._n aquinas_n p._n 3._o q._n 3._o art_n 9_o ad_fw-la tertiam_fw-la be_v strange_o corrupt_v and_o make_v to_o say_v the_o contrary_a and_o l._n 4._o c._n 4._o the_o same_o cont._n julian._n l._n 1._o c._n 4._o and_o l._n 3._o c._n 11._o &_o 12._o cont._n pelag._n &_o celest._n l._n 2._o c._n 8._o de_fw-la praedest_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la ad_fw-la prosp._n &_o hilar._n l._n 1._o cap._n 14._o neither_o do_v he_o retract_v or_o contradict_v this_o opinion_n any_o where_o nor_o mitigate_v any_o one_o of_o his_o sentence_n touch_v this_o matter_n in_o his_o book_n of_o retractation_n sanctesius_n indeed_o tell_v we_o that_o he_o seem_v to_o have_v depart_v from_o his_o opinion_n in_o his_o work_n against_o the_o donatist_n but_o i_o will_v he_o have_v show_v some_o probable_a reason_n to_o make_v it_o seem_v so_o to_o other_o which_o see_v he_o do_v not_o we_o have_v reason_n to_o take_v time_n to_o believe_v he_o for_o as_o touch_v the_o place_n mention_v by_o beda_n in_o 1._o ad_fw-la corinth_n 10._o as_o take_v out_o of_o a_o sermon_n of_o s._n augustine_n ad_fw-la infant_n ad_fw-la altar_n beside_o that_o it_o be_v very_o strange_a s._n austin_n shall_v make_v a_o sermon_n to_o infant_n and_o that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o sermon_n extant_a in_o his_o work_n nor_o any_o memory_n of_o any_o such_o in_o possidius_n s._n augustine_n scholar_n catalogue_n of_o his_o work_n nor_o in_o his_o book_n of_o retractaiton_n set_v aside_o all_o this_o i_o say_v first_o that_o it_o be_v no_o way_n certain_a that_o he_o speak_v there_o of_o infant_n see_v in_o propriety_n of_o speech_n as_o s._n austin_n himself_o teach_v we_o ep._n 23_o infant_n be_v not_o fideles_fw-la of_o who_o s._n austin_n in_o that_o suppose_a sermon_n speak_v second_o admit_v he_o do_v speak_v of_o infant_n where_o he_o assure_v we_o that_o in_o baptism_n every_o faithful_a man_n be_v make_v partaker_n of_o christ_n body_n and_o blood_n and_o that_o he_o shall_v not_o be_v alienate_v from_o the_o benefit_n of_o the_o bread_n and_o cup_n although_o he_o depart_v this_o life_n before_o he_o eat_v of_o that_o bread_n and_o drink_n of_o that_o cup._n all_o this_o conclude_v no_o more_o but_o that_o the_o actual_a participation_n of_o the_o eucharist_n be_v not_o a_o mean_n simple_o necessary_a to_o attain_v salvation_n so_o that_o no_o impossibility_n shall_v exeuse_n the_o fail_n of_o it_o whereas_o all_o that_o i_o aim_v at_o be_v but_o this_o that_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n it_o be_v believe_v necessary_a in_o case_n of_o possibility_n necessary_a not_o in_o actu_fw-la but_o in_o voto_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n simple_o but_o necessary_a for_o the_o increase_n of_o grace_n and_o glory_n and_o therefore_o last_o though_o not_o necessary_a by_o necessity_n of_o mean_n for_o infant_n to_o receive_v it_o yet_o necessary_a by_o necessity_n of_o precept_n for_o the_o church_n to_o give_v it_o the_o last_o witness_n i_o promise_v be_v the_o author_n of_o the_o work_n against_o the_o pelagian_n call_v hypognostica_fw-la who_o l._n 5._o c._n 5._o ask_v the_o pelagian_n see_v he_o himself_o have_v say_v unless_o you_o eat_v the_o flesh_n etc._n etc._n how_o dare_v you_o promise_v eternal_a life_n to_o little_a child_n not_o regenerate_v of_o water_n and_o the_o holy_a ghost_n not_o have_v eat_v his_o flesh_n nor_o drink_v his_o blood_n and_o a_o little_a after_o behold_v then_o he_o that_o be_v not_o baptise_a and_o he_o that_o be_v destitute_a of_o the_o bread_n and_o cup_n of_o life_n be_v separate_v from_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n to_o the_o same_o purpose_n he_o speak_v l._n 6._o c._n 6._o but_o it_o be_v superfluous_a to_o recite_v his_o word_n for_o either_o this_o be_v enough_o or_o nothing_o the_o three_o kind_n of_o proof_n whereby_o i_o undertake_v to_o show_v the_o belief_n of_o the_o ancient_a church_n in_o this_o point_n be_v the_o confession_n of_o the_o learnede_a writer_n and_o best_a verse_v in_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n who_o what_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n forbid_v under_o anathema_n that_o any_o man_n shall_v say_v of_o any_o ancient_a father_n be_v not_o yet_o afraid_a nor_o make_v no_o scruple_n to_o say_v it_o in_o plain_a term_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n for_o many_o age_n together_o viz._n that_o she_o believe_v the_o eucharist_n necessary_a for_o infant_n so_o do_v maldonate_fw-it in_o joan._n 6._o mitto_fw-la augustini_fw-la &_o innocentii_fw-la sententiam_fw-la quae_fw-la etiam_fw-la viguit_fw-la in_o ecclesia_fw-la per_fw-la sexcentes_fw-la annos_fw-la eucharistiam_fw-la etiam_fw-la infantibus_fw-la necessariam_fw-la i_o say_v nothing_o say_v he_o of_o augustine_n and_o innocentius_n his_o opinion_n that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v necessary_a even_o for_o infant_n which_o doctrine_n flourish_v in_o the_o church_n for_o 600._o year_n the_o same_o almost_o in_o term_n have_v binius_fw-la in_o his_o note_n on_o the_o council_n pag._n 624._o hinc_fw-la constat_fw-la innocentii_fw-la sententia_fw-la quae_fw-la sexcento_n circiter_fw-la annos_fw-la viguit_fw-la in_o ecclesiâ_fw-la quam_fw-la augustinus_n sectatus_fw-la est_fw-la eucharistiam_fw-la etiam_fw-la infantibus_fw-la necessariam_fw-la fuisse_fw-la last_o that_o treasury_n of_o antiquity_n cardinal_n perron_n though_o he_o speak_v not_o so_o home_o as_o the_o rest_n do_v yet_o he_o say_v enough_o for_o my_o purpose_n des_fw-fr passage_n de_fw-la s._n august_n c._n 10._o p._n 101._o the_o custom_n of_o give_v the_o eucharist_n to_o infant_n the_o church_n then_o observe_v as_o profitable_a this_o i_o say_v be_v enough_o for_o my_o purpose_n for_o what_o more_o contradictious_a than_o the_o eucharist_n be_v the_o same_o without_o alteration_n to_o infant_n be_v the_o same_o without_o alteration_n shall_v then_o be_v profitable_a and_o now_o unprofitable_a then_o all_o thing_n consider_v expedient_a to_o be_v use_v if_o not_o necessary_a and_o therefore_o command_v and_o now_o though_o there_o be_v no_o variety_n in_o the_o case_n all_o thing_n consider_v not_o necessary_a nor_o expedient_a and_o therefore_o forbid_v the_o issue_n of_o all_o this_o discourse_n for_o aught_o i_o can_v see_v must_v be_v this_o that_o either_o both_o part_n of_o a_o contradiction_n must_v be_v true_a and_o consequent_o nothing_o can_v be_v false_a see_v that_o which_o contradict_v truth_n be_v not_o so_o or_o else_o that_o the_o ancient_a church_n do_v err_v in_o believe_v something_o expedient_a which_o be_v not_o so_o and_o if_o so_o why_o may_v not_o the_o present_a church_n err_v in_o think_v latin_a service_n and_o communion_n in_o one_o kind_a expedient_a or_o that_o the_o present_a church_n do_v err_v in_o think_v something_o not_o expedient_a which_o be_v so_o and_o if_o so_o why_o may_v she_o not_o err_v in_o think_v communicate_v the_o laity_n in_o both_o kind_n and_o service_n in_o vulgar_a language_n not_o expedient_a v._o a_o argument_n draw_v from_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o millenaries_n against_o infallibility_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o millenaries_n be_v
that_o before_o the_o world_n end_n christ_n shall_v reign_v upon_o earth_n for_o a_o thousand_o year_n and_o that_o the_o saint_n shall_v live_v under_o he_o in_o all_o holiness_n and_o happiness_n that_o this_o doctrine_n be_v by_o the_o present_a roman_a church_n hold_v false_a and_o heretical_a i_o think_v no_o man_n will_v deny_v that_o the_o same_o doctrine_n be_v by_o the_o church_n of_o the_o next_o age_n after_o the_o apostle_n hold_v true_a and_o catholic_n i_o prove_v by_o these_o two_o reason_n the_o first_o reason_n whatsoever_o doctrine_n be_v believe_v and_o teach_v by_o the_o most_o eminent_a father_n of_o any_o age_n of_o the_o church_n and_o by_o none_o of_o their_o contemporary_n oppose_v or_o condemn_v that_o be_v to_o be_v esteem_v the_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o those_o time_n but_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o millenaries_n be_v believe_v and_o teach_v by_o the_o eminent_a father_n of_o the_o age_n next_o after_o the_o apostle_n and_o by_o none_o of_o that_o age_n oppose_v or_o condemn_v therefore_o it_o be_v the_o catholic_n doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o those_o time_n the_o proposition_n of_o this_o syllogism_n be_v cardinal_n perron_n rule_v in_o his_o epistle_n to_o casaubon_n 5._o observe_v and_o be_v indeed_o one_o of_o the_o main_a pillar_n upon_o which_o the_o great_a fabric_n of_o his_o answer_n to_o king_n james_n do_v sâ—and_n and_o with_o which_o it_o can_v but_o fall_v and_o therefore_o i_o will_v spend_v no_o time_n in_o the_o proof_n of_o it_o but_o the_o assumption_n thus_o i_o prove_v that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v believe_v and_o teach_v by_o papias_n bishop_n of_o hierapâ—lis_n the_o disciple_n of_o the_o apostle_n disciple_n according_a to_o eusebius_n who_o live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n say_v he_o by_o justin_n martyr_n doctor_n of_o the_o church_n and_o martyr_n by_o melito_n bishop_n of_o sardis_n who_o have_v the_o gift_n of_o prophecy_n witness_n tert._n and_o who_o bellarmine_n acknowledge_v a_o saint_n by_o s._n irenaeus_n bishop_n of_o lion_n and_o martyr_n and_o be_v not_o oppose_v and_o condemn_v by_o any_o one_o doctor_n of_o the_o church_n of_o those_o time_n that_o doctrine_n be_v believe_v and_o teach_v by_o the_o most_o eminent_a father_n of_o that_o age_n next_o to_o the_o apostle_n and_o oppose_v by_o none_o but_o the_o former_a part_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v true_a ergo_fw-la the_o latter_a be_v also_o true_a the_o major_n of_o this_o syllogism_n and_o the_o latter_a part_n of_o the_o minor_a i_o suppose_v will_v need_v no_o proof_n with_o they_o that_o consider_v that_o these_o here_o mention_v be_v equal_a in_o number_n to_o all_o the_o other_o ecclesiastical_a writer_n of_o that_o age_n of_o who_o there_o be_v any_o memory_n remain_v and_o in_o weight_n and_o worth_n infinite_o beyond_o they_o they_o be_v athenagoras_n theophilus_n antiochenus_fw-la egesippus_fw-la and_o hippolytus_n of_o who_o contradiction_n to_o this_o doctrine_n there_o be_v not_o extant_a neither_o in_o their_o work_n nor_o in_o story_n any_o print_n or_o footstep_n which_o if_o they_o or_o any_o of_o they_o have_v oppose_v it_o have_v be_v impossible_a consider_v the_o ecclesiastical_a story_n of_o their_o time_n be_v write_v by_o the_o profess_a enemy_n of_o the_o millinary_n doctrine_n who_o can_v they_o have_v find_v any_o thing_n in_o the_o monument_n of_o antiquity_n to_o have_v put_v in_o the_o balance_n against_o justin_n martyr_n and_o irenaeus_n no_o doubt_n will_v not_o have_v bury_v it_o in_o silence_n which_o yet_o they_o do_v neither_o vouch_v for_o their_o opinion_n any_o one_o of_o more_o antiquity_n than_o dionysius_n alexandrinus_n who_o live_v say_v eusebius_n nostra_fw-la aetate_fw-la in_o our_o age_n but_o certain_o in_o the_o latter_a part_n of_o the_o three_o century_n for_o tatianus_n because_o a_o heretic_n i_o reckon_v not_o in_o this_o number_n and_o if_o any_o man_n say_v that_o before_o his_o fall_n he_o write_v many_o book_n i_o say_v it_o be_v true_a but_o withal_o will_v have_v it_o remember_v that_o he_o be_v justin_n martyr_n scholar_n and_o therefore_o in_o all_o probability_n of_o his_o master_n faith_n rather_o than_o against_o it_o all_o that_o be_v extant_a of_o he_o one_o way_n or_o other_o be_v but_o this_o in_o s._n hierome_n de_fw-fr script_n eccles._n justini_n martyris_fw-la sectator_n suit_n now_o for_o the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o minor_a that_o the_o foremention_v father_n do_v believe_v and_o teach_v this_o doctrine_n and_o first_o for_o papias_n that_o he_o teach_v it_o it_o be_v confess_v by_o eusebius_n the_o enemy_n of_o this_o doctrine_n lib._n 3._o iâ—ist_n eccles._n c._n 33._o in_o these_o word_n other_o thing_n beside_o the_o same_o author_n papias_n declare_v that_o they_o come_v to_o he_o as_o it_o be_v by_o unwritten_a tradition_n wherein_o he_o affirm_v that_o after_o the_o resurrection_n of_o all_o flesh_n from_o the_o dead_a there_o shall_v be_v a_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n continue_v and_o establish_v for_o a_o thousand_o year_n upon_o earth_n after_o a_o humane_a and_o corporeal_a manner_n the_o same_o be_v confess_v by_o s._n hierome_n another_o enemy_n to_o this_o opinion_n descript_n eccles._n s._n â—9_n papias_n the_o auditor_n of_o john_n bishop_n of_o hieropolis_n be_v say_v to_o have_v teach_v the_o judaical_a tradition_n of_o a_o thousand_o year_n who_o irenaeus_n and_o apollinarius_n follow_v and_o in_o his_o preface_n upon_o the_o commentary_n of_o victorinus_n upon_o the_o apocalypse_n thus_o he_o write_v before_o he_o papias_n bishop_n of_o hieropolis_n and_o nepos_n bishop_n in_o the_o part_n of_o egypt_n teach_v as_o victorinus_n do_v touch_v the_o kingdom_n of_o the_o thousand_o year_n the_o same_o be_v testify_v by_o irenaeus_n lib._n 5._o cont_n she_o c._n 33._o where_o have_v at_o large_a set_v forth_o this_o doctrine_n he_o confirm_v it_o by_o the_o authority_n of_o papias_n in_o these_o word_n 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