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A47166 Quakerism no popery, or, A particular answere to that part of Iohn Menzeis, professor of divinity in Aberdeen, (as he is called) his book, intituled Roma mendax Wherein the people called Quakers are concerned, whom he doth accuse as holding many popish doctrins, and as if Quakerism, (so he nick-names our religion,) were but popery-disguised. In which treatise his alleadged grounds for this his assertion, are impartialy and fairly examined and confuted: and also his accusation of popery against us, justly retorted upon himself, and his bretheren. By George Keith. Keith, George, 1639?-1716. 1675 (1675) Wing K194; ESTC R213551 62,351 126

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the_o rock_n of_o enthusiasm_n whether_o he_o think_v to_o drive_v his_o popish_a antagonist_n but_o i_o ask_v i._n m._n whether_o he_o think_v that_o geo._n wishart_n be_v ●ne_a enthusiast_n when_o he_o prophesy_v of_o the_o death_n of_o the_o cardinal_n or_o john_n knox_n call_v by_o some_o the_o apostle_n of_o the_o scot_n who_o particular_a prophecy_n be_v mention_v in_o the_o history_n of_o his_o life_n see_v these_o me●_n have_v immediate_a revelation_n which_o i._o m._n understand_v as_o i_o suppose_v by_o the_o word_n enthusiasm_n or_o if_o not_o i_o desire_v he_o to_o tell_v we_o what_o he_o mean_v by_o enthusiasm_n as_o for_o all_o false_a and_o false_o pretend_a enthusiasm_n whether_o of_o papist_n or_o any_o other_o which_o contradict_v the_o tenor_n of_o the_o scripture_n testimony_n we_o be_v as_o much_o against_o they_o as_o any_o people_n be_v ●or_a can_v be_v but_o enthusiasm_n in_o the_o true_a sense_n that_o be_v to_o say_v divine_a inspiration_n and_o revelation_n from_o the_o in-being_a of_o god_n reveal_v and_o illuminate_v the_o heart_n of_o his_o child_n yea_o and_o all_o man_n in_o some_o manner_n and_o measure_n and_o inspire_v or_o inbrethe_v into_o they_o a_o live_a knowledge_n and_o sense_n of_o himself_o and_o his_o holy_a mind_n will_n and_o counsel_n that_o be_v never_o contrary_a but_o always_o conform_v unto_o the_o scripture_n of_o truth_n i_o do_v plain_o and_o free_o declare_v myself_o together_o with_o my_o brethren_n to_o be_v for_o it_o as_o a_o most_o excellent_a principle_n of_o christian_n religion_n and_o indeed_o as_o the_o only_a true_a original_n and_o foundation_n of_o all_o save_a faith_n sound_a knowledge_n and_o sincere_a obedience_n and_o let_v both_o papist_n and_o degenerate_v protestant_n be_v ashamed_a of_o this_o principle_n fling_v it_o and_o toss_v it_o from_o hand_n to_o hand_n as_o refuse_v to_o give_v it_o any_o shelter_n or_o entertainment_n as_o we_o see_v they_o do_v in_o the_o present_a debate_n one_o against_o another_o yet_o true_a enthusiasm_n as_o be_v above_o describe_v we_o most_o willing_o and_o cordial_o own_v it_o and_o with_o the_o great_a reception_n of_o kindness_n do_v open_v our_o very_a soul_n and_o heart_n to_o let_v in_o this_o most_o harmless_a and_o most_o helpful_a stranger_n who_o be_v the_o friend_n and_o beloved-companion_n bosom_n and_o heart-freind_n of_o all_o the_o holy_a patriarch_n father_n prophet_n and_o apostle_n and_o martyr_n of_o jesus_n christ_n who_o all_o hold_v the_o testimony_n of_o jesus_n which_o be_v the_o spirit_n of_o prophecy_n for_o which_o the_o dragon_n be_v wroth_a and_o fight_v against_o they_o but_o they_o overcome_v by_o this_o word_n o●_n their_o testimony_n and_o blood_n of_o the_o lamb_n and_o love_v not_o their_o life_n unto_o death_n and_o as_o to_o that_o ordinary_a objection_n this_o be_v to_o make_v all_o christian_n to_o be_v prophet_n i_o answer_v not_o for_o to_o be_v prophet_n be_v not_o only_o to_o have_v the_o same_o spirit_n inspire_v they_o as_o the_o prophet_n have_v but_o also_o to_o be_v move_v by_o the_o same_o to_o utter_v and_o express_v by_o word_n and_o writing_n a_o declaration_n of_o their_o inward_a sentiment_n faith_n feel_v and_o knawledge_n now_o all_o who_o be_v true_o inspire_v have_v not_o this_o gift_n for_o to_o some_o it_o be_v give_v to_o believe_v to_o other_o both_o to_o believe_v and_o speak_v and_o writ_n and_o yet_o the_o spirit_n be_v one_o and_o the_o same_o in_o both_o and_o although_o we_o do_v affirm_v that_o some_o do_v both_o speak_v and_o write_v from_o a_o measure_n of_o the_o same_o spirit_n which_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n have_v yet_o we_o neither_o equal_v our_o self_n nor_o our_o writing_n unto_o they_o and_o they_o they_o have_v have_v such_o a_o solemn_a and_o extra-ordinary_a inward_a conduct_n and_o guide_v of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n which_o be_v general_o acknowledge_v as_o do_v secure_v they_o from_o all_o error_n and_o mistake_n in_o write_v the_o scripture_n the_o divine_a spirit_n so_o abundant_o cease_v and_o take_v hold_n both_o upon_o their_o understanding_n and_o will_n so_o as_o they_o do_v not_o in_o the_o least_o deviat_fw-la or_o decline_v from_o follow_v after_o the_o inward_a dictate_v leading_n and_o direction_n of_o the_o same_o as_o be_v overrule_v by_o a_o most_o sweet_a and_o powerful_a constrain_a limit_v and_o bound_v of_o they_o so_o as_o neither_o to_o speak_v or_o writ_n but_o what_o they_o do_v indeed_o receive_v from_o the_o lord_n that_o and_o at_o such_o time_n as_o it_o please_v god_n to_o make_v they_o his_o instrument_n in_o deliver_v those_o holy_a record_n and_o oracle_n of_o his_o mind_n and_o will_n the_o scripture_n of_o truth_n for_o a_o general_a service_n unto_o the_o child_n of_o man_n so_o far_o as_o by_o the_o providence_n of_o god_n they_o come_v to_o be_v spread_v abroad_o in_o the_o world_n therefore_o i_o do_v free_o acknowledge_v they_o have_v a_o dignity_n and_o excellency_n in_o they_o above_o our_o writing_n but_o as_o for_o we_o and_o what_o we_o speak_v and_o write_v although_o we_o affirm_v that_o the_o least_o measure_n of_o the_o true_a lead_n and_o move_v of_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o our_o heart_n be_v in_o itself_o infallible_a and_o have_v a_o direct_a tendency_n to_o le●de_v guide_n and_o move_v we_o infallible_o as_o it_o be_v pure_o keep_v unto_o yet_o we_o be_v conscious_a to_o our_o seve_n that_o both_o in_o speak_v and_o write_v it_o be_v possible_a for_o we_o in_o some_o measure_n more_o or_o less_o to_o decline_v from_o those_o infallible_a leading_n and_o consequent_o both_o to_o speak_v and_o write_v in_o a_o mixture_n as_o also_o it_o be_v possible_a to_o keep_v unto_o they_o in_o perfect_a and_o pure_a chastity_n according_o as_o the_o mind_n be_v pure_o exercise_v in_o all_o diligence_n and_o watchfulness_n of_o attention_n unto_o the_o direction_n of_o the_o inward_a guide_n the_o spirit_n of_o truth_n or_o to_o err_v as_o the_o mind_n labour_v under_o any_o defect_n of_o remissness_n or_o unwatchfulness_n sect_n iii_o where_o the_o allege_v agreement_n about_o perfection_n be_v consider_v and_o examine_v the_o second_o instance_n adduce_v by_o i._n m._n to_o prove_v the_o quaker_n guilty_a of_o popish_a doctrine_n be_v that_o a_o sinless_a perfection_n be_v attainable_a in_o time_n but_o i_o miss_v his_o proof_n that_o this_o be_v a_o popish_a tenet_n for_o indeed_o i_o can_v never_o find_v to_o my_o best_a remembrance_n any_o papist_n who_o hold_v such_o a_o principle_n as_o that_o a_o sinless_a perfection_n be_v attainable_a in_o time_n by_o the_o people_n of_o god._n it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o the_o papist_n think_v that_o mary_n be_v free_a of_o all_o sin_n both_o mortal_a and_o venial_a which_o other_o of_o they_o deny_v affirm_v that_o she_o h●de_v original_a sin_n but_o that_o the_o people_n of_o god_n marry_o only_o except_v by_o some_o few_o can_v attain_v to_o a_o sinless_a perfection_n in_o time_n i_o require_v i._n m._n to_o show_v out_o of_o their_o writter_n or_o rather_o out_o of_o their_o public_a confession_n and_o definition_n of_o popish_a counsel_n see_v it_o be_v not_o the_o private_a opinion_n of_o some_o either_o popish_a or_o protestant_n private_a doctor_n by_o i._o m._n his_o own_o confession_n that_o make_v a_o opinion_n popish_a or_o protestant_n yea_o do_v not_o i_o m._n know_v how_o eager_o bellarmin_n that_o popish_a champion_n do_v dispute_v against_o pelagius_n in_o this_o very_a point_n plead_v from_o diverse_a scripture_n such_o as_o there_o be_v no_o man_n who_o sin_v not_o 1._o king_n 8._o verse_n 46._o if_o we_o say_v we_o have_v no_o sin_n we_o deceive_v ourselves_o etc._n etc._n 1._o john_n 1.8_o the_o same_n 1._o m._n and_o his_o brethren_n use_v to_o produce_v against_o we_o that_o there_o be_v no_o man_n who_o can_v be_v free_a in_o this_o life_n from_o all_o sin_n both_o mortal_a and_o venial_a by_o venial_a sin_n he_o mean_v sin_n of_o a_o lesser_a size_n or_o degree_n which_o both_o papist_n and_o protestant_n acknowledge_v to_o be_v sin_n however_o they_o differ_v otherways_o as_o to_o the_o nature_n of_o venial_a sin_n that_o i●_n extrinsic_n to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n it_o be_v true_a that_o pelagius_n do_v hold_v that_o a_o man_n may_v be_v free_a from_o all_o sin_n in_o this_o life_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o for_o this_o that_o he_o be_v general_o condemn_v by_o the_o father_n nor_o be_v that_o doctrine_n general_o condemn_v but_o this_o viz._n that_o he_o teach_v that_o man_n can_v attain_v to_o this_o freedom_n from_o sin_n by_o his_o endeavour_n without_o the_o special_a grace_n and_o supernatural_a help_n and_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a spirit_n so_o that_o augustin_n who_o be_v the_o great_a impugner_n of_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n
unto_o god_n that_o so_o it_o may_v become_v light_n in_o the_o lord_n which_o be_v darkness_n according_a to_o which_o augustin_n say_v express_o lib._n annot._n in_o fol._n ult_n in_o voluntate_fw-la enim_fw-la cujusque_fw-la est_fw-la utrum_fw-la tenebrae_fw-la sit_fw-la a_o lux_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v in_o the_o will_n of_o every_o man_n whether_o he_o be_v darkness_n or_o light_n but_o when_o he_o be_v darkness_n it_o be_v in_o himself_o that_o be_v by_o his_o sin●_n which_o be_v his_o own_o but_o when_o he_o be_v light_a he_o be_v not_o it_o in_o himself_o but_o in_o the_o lord_n now_o see_v we_o do_v express_o hold_v and_o believe_v it_o as_o a_o most_o certain_a truth_n that_o all_o freewill_n in_o man_n unto_o any_o good_a thing_n acceptable_a unto_o god_n have_v a_o most_o absolute_a and_o necessary_a dependence_n upon_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o the_o efficacy_n thereof_o we_o can_v in_o any_o justice_n of_o reason_n be_v think_v to_o affirm_v that_o the_o efficacy_n of_o grace_n depend_v on_o man_n freewill_n see_v a_o mutual_a dependency_n imply_v a_o manifest_a contradiction_n i_o conceive_v that_o i._o m._n draw_v his_o consequence_n from_o this_o that_o we_o say_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n many_o time_n work_v so_o gentle_o upon_o the_o soul_n and_o heart_n of_o man_n that_o they_o may_v resist_v it_o and_o so_o put_v a_o stop_n in_o the_o way_n of_o their_o conversion_n therefore_o he_o conclude_v according_a to_o our_o principle_n the_o efficacy_n of_o grace_n depend_v on_o man_n freewill_n but_o this_o consequence_n i_o deny_v for_o although_o a_o man_n may_v resist_v the_o spirit_n of_o grace_n and_o so_o put_v a_o stop_n some_o have_v name_v it_o so_o po●ere_fw-la obicem_fw-la to_o their_o conversion_n yet_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n have_v its_o efficacy_n still_o of_o its_o own_o nature_n and_o lose_v nothing_o of_o its_o virtue_n thereby_o yea_o it_o have_v its_o due_a effect_n upon_o these_o who_o resist_v it_o as_o to_o conversion_n namely_o to_o render_v they_o without_o excuse_n and_o be_v against_o they_o a_o just_a ground_n of_o their_o condemnation_n as_o christ_n say_v john_n 3.19_o this_o be_v the_o condemnation_n that_o light_n be_v come_v into_o the_o world_n nor_o be_v the_o intent_n of_o god_n frustrate_v thereby_o but_o sufficient_o answer_v for_o god_n intention_n be_v only_o that_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n shall_v convert_v they_o who_o do_v not_o resist_v it_o and_o be_v a_o just_a ground_n of_o condemnation_n against_o those_o who_o do_v resist_v and_o reject_v it_o moreover_o the_o same_o consequence_n may_v be_v draw_v against_o i._n m._n himself_o and_o his_o brethren_n by_o way_n of_o retorsion_n see_v the_o grace_n of_o god_n may_v be_v resist_v in_o order_n to_o perfection_n as_o indeed_o it_o be_v according_a unto_o their_o principle_n as_o according_a unto_o we_o it_o may_v be_v in_o order_n to_o conversion_n we_o say_v man_n may_v hinder_v their_o conversion_n by_o resist_v the_o spirit_n of_o grace_n they_o say_v man_n hinder_v their_o perfection_n by_o resist_v the_o spirit_n of_o grace_n for_o certain_o he_o be_v a_o perfect_a man_n and_o in_o a_o sinless_a state_n who_o make_v no_o resistance_n unto_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n in_o he_o but_o in_o all_o thing_n yield_v unto_o it_o and_o comply_v full_o therewith_o now_o if_o resist_v in_o the_o one_o sense_n infer●_n that_o the_o efficacy_n of_o grace_n depend_v on_o man_n freewill_n resist_v in_o the_o other_o sense_n will_v infer_v the_o same_o also_o see_v it_o be_v the_o will_n of_o man_n that_o resist_v in_o both_o and_o if_o it_o do_v not_o infer_v in_o the_o one_o neither_o do_v it_o in_o the_o other_o but_o if_o i._n m._n allege_v that_o the_o doctrine_n itself_o of_o universal_a grace_n and_o freewill_n in_o all_o man_n by_o virtue_n of_o that_o grace_n be_v a_o popish_a doctrine_n i_o altogether_o deny_v it_o though_o papist_n seem_v in_o word_n to_o affirm_v it_o as_o they_o do_v many_o other_o christian_a truth_n which_o be_v not_o popish_a doctrine_n for_o their_o hold_v they_o in_o unrighteousness_n that_o be_v a_o popish_a doctrine_n according_a to_o my_o former_a definition_n that_o i._o m._n i_o conceive_v will_v not_o deny_v which_o be_v mantain_v general_o by_o papist_n and_o be_v repugnant_a unto_o the_o scripture_n to_o which_o i_o may_v add_v as_o i_o suppose_v with_o i._n m._n his_o consent_n and_o unto_o the_o testimony_n of_o antiquity_n in_o the_o pure_a time_n before_o that_o bastard_n religion_n of_o popery_n be_v bear_v into_o the_o world_n especial_o the_o three_o or_o four_o first_o century_n now_o that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o universal_a grace_n and_o freewill_n in_o all_o man_n by_o reason_n of_o this_o grace_n or_o any_o other_o principle_n affirm_v by_o we_o hold_v in_o common_a as_o it_o may_v seem_v by_o those_o call_v papist_n and_o we_o be_v neither_o repugnant_a unto_o the_o scripture_n testimony_n or_o the_o most_o general_a testimony_n of_o antiquity_n in_o the_o pure_a time_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_n most_o agreeable_a thereunto_o i_o offer_v myself_o ●y_a the_o grace_n and_o help_v of_o god_n to_o defend_v against_o the_o say_v i._o m._n or_o any_o of_o his_o brethren_n who_o will_v undertake_v it_o for_o he_o either_o in_o word_n or_o writ_n as_o they_o please_v and_o indeed_o that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o freewill_n unto_o good_a in_o all_o man_n be_v teach_v by_o justin_n martyr_n one_o of_o the_o most_o authentic_a of_o the_o father_n in_o the_o primitive_a time_n be_v confess_v by_o abraham_n scultetus_n a_o calvinist_n in_o his_o medulla_n theologia_n patrum_fw-la also_o that_o he_o do_v hold_v that_o man_n may_v merit_v or_o live_v worthy_a of_o god_n which_o he_o impute_v to_o he_o as_o his_o error_n again_o he_o blame_v athenagoras_n another_o of_o the_o father_n in_o the_o pure_a time_n for_o the_o matter_n of_o freewill_n so_o do_v he_o tatianus_n irenaeus_n theophilus_n clemens_n alexandrinus_n and_o 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to_o the_o other_o the_o judgement_n of_o god_n be_v the_o more_o inscrutable_a prosper_n ad_fw-la septimam_fw-la say_v that_o of_o the_o regenerate_a in_o christ_n jesus_n some_o have_v leave_v the_o faith_n and_o holy_a manner_n do_v apostatise_v from_o god._n cyprian_a epistola_fw-la ad_fw-la gratianum_fw-la the_o discipline_n depart_v the_o grace_n of_o the_o lord_n depart_v also_o many_o other_o testimony_n can_v be_v cite_v for_o the_o same_o but_o that_o i_o intend_v brevity_n at_o present_a sect_n ix_o where_o the_o allege_v agreement_n about_o indwelling_a concupiscence_n be_v consider_v and_o answer_v the_o eight_o and_o last_o instance_n of_o popish_a doctrine_n charge_v on_o we_o be_v that_o indwelling_a concupiscence_n be_v not_o our_o sin_n until_o we_o consent_v to_o the_o lust_n thereof_o to_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o this_o principle_n as_o he_o do_v represent_v it_o i_o know_v not_o that_o it_o be_v own_v by_o any_o quaker_n we_o do_v indeed_o say_v that_o the_o 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