this sincerely in truth and measure But they never thought nor taught that every member in a sort of the visible Churches were holy and sincere the true sheepe of Christ faithfull and effectually called much lesse that it was no Church of Christ wherein abuses were to be found or ungodly prophane men were tolerated The q Bils The difference between christium subject par 1. pag. 92. These se the Church militant triumphāt be not two but one Church Jerusalem which is above is the mother of us all Gal. 4. Yee be now saith Paul no more strangers and forreiners but Citizens with the Saints and of the houshold of God Eph. 2. For you be come to the Citie of the living God and Heb. 12. where you see the Saints in heaven be not removed from the Church of God but be received to their fellowship Id. part 2. p. 230. The Church in heaven is it another Church from this on earth or the same Certainly Christ hath but one body which it his Church and of that body seeing the Saints sc in heaven be the greater and worthier part they must be counted the same church with us Church militant and triumphant are not two Kingdomes but two degrees of one Kingdome The Church visible and invisible are not two Churches but distinct considerations of the same Church If then we speake of true sound living chiefe principle members of the militant Church such as partake in all the royalties and priviledges of members every member of the Church militant is a true branch in the Vine knit firmely unto Christ quickned by the Spirit and shall be an inheriter of eternall glory But if we speake of members in a sort of visible societies so hypocrites may be members and ungodly men as they are tolerated in the societie when the better part cannot reforme or amend them But to the Arguments in order First The Church may be true though the Ministery be deficient in the order of calling qualification of persons and execution of their office But that Church is false whose Ministery is altogether false for substance of their office that is the doctrine which they teach Sacraments which they administer and functions whereunto they are set apart Thus the Conformists and Inconformists both Now if we speake of the Ministery of the Church of England indefinitly both Conformists and Inconformists will confesse some things to be faulty both in the entrance and execution of their callings as that some are ignorant proud covetous carelesse corrupt not watching over the flocke But absolutely that their Ministery is false in respect of the substance of their office that was never said by either of them as you doe or might well know The knot to be unloosed now remaineth in your conscience in that either you aequivocate in your Major or against knowledge charge the Nonconformists in your Minor with that which they never said Secondly The true Church of Christ that is the true and lively members of the militant church and militant members of the catholique church is a company of r The true Church is an universall cōgregation or fellowship of Gods faithfull and elect people built upon the foundations of the Prophets and Apostles Christ Iesus himselfe being the head corner stone And it hath alwayes three notes or markes whereby it is knowne pure and sound doctrine the Sacraments ministred according to Christs holy institution and the right use of Ecclesiasticall discipline Hom. 2. booke hom for Whites 2. part The Church consisteth not of men but of faithfull men and they be the Church not in respect of flesh and bloud which came from earth but of truth and grace which came from Heaven Bilson Christ Subject part 2. pag. 231. faithfull people a communion of Saints the true flock of Christ which heare know acknowledge beleeve and obey the voyce of Christ the kings daughter which is all glorious within knit to Christ and married unto him But in this societie there are mixed not onely secret hypocrites but fierce Lyons Tigres Wolves Beares wicked Teachers and ungodly livers Thus the Conformists and Inconformists And in this sense the Church of England is a societie of faithfull and beleeving people the flocke of Christ the Kings daughter quickned by the Spirit enriched with grace decked with Gods ordinances walking in sincere constant conscionable obedience though in outward societie and profession mixed with many ignorant vaine prophane persons who have received the presse-money of Christ but indeed fight under the Devils banner as doe all hypocrites and ungodly wretches that is in the Church of England there be some truely of the Church which heare the voyce of Christ mixed with those which in words professe Christ but in their deeds deny him Thus the Conformists and Nonconformists The knot here lyeth onely in an aequivocation or grosse abuse of the word Church which sometimes notes the whole visible societie linked in an externall profession and sometimes the true and living members of Jesus Christ against which the gates of hell shall not prevaile Thirdly The s Deo dat Ital. Ioh. 10.1 The sheepe are the true faithfull endued with spirituall light and discretion sheepe of Christ doe heare his voyce but what sheepe not all that be sheepe in profession but all that be sheepe indeed and truth effectually called and gathered into Christ◠sheep-fold They heare that is acknowledge beleeve and obey Christs voyce sincerely but not perfectly fully and compleatly for the faithfull may erre of frailtie and infirmitie both in faith and manners sometimes they are mislead through ignorance drawne aside by passions foiled by temptations Christs sheepe doe obey his voyce but t Bils Christ. subject part 2. pa. 233. The Church is not simply a number of men for Infidels heretickes and hypocrites are not the Church but men regenerate by the Word Sacraments truely serving God according to the Gospell of his Sonne and sealed by the Spirit of grace against the day of Redemption all that are linked with them in outward societie doe not sincerely obey not yet in conversation fashion themselves to the direction and commandement of Jesus Christ And thus the Church of England that is the true and faithfull people in those societies doe heare and obey the voyce of Christ in truth others mixed with them doe heare and professe but not obey If the Church doe erre it is of ignorance nor of wilfulnesse or stubbornnesse In matters of lesse importance not fundamentall or bordering thereupon It is the errour of some onely add not of the whole Church which errours u Gratian. decret par 2. ca. 24. qu. 1. cap. 9. A rectae in Gloss Novitatibus Ipsa congregatio fidelium hic dicitur Ecclesia 〈◊〉 Ecclesia non potest nonesse cannot make that shee is not the flocke of Christ The knot here to be unloosed is your sinne in charging that upon the Nonconformists the contrary whereto they have ever
CAN stay Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader wisheth tendernesse of conscience to his Reader ever and anon objecteth to his â—pposites what abominations and vile corruptions they labour to justifie which formerly they condemned beareth in hand that the Scriptures speak expresly for him and the learned of all sorts ancient and moderne who would not expect faire cariage and honest dealing whereas let the whole frame of his writings be looked into with a single heart and unpartiall eye and it will be found wery corrupt loose deceitfull for the matter and stuffed with scorne reproach slander insolency and falsifications for the manner Herein whether I speake the words of truth and sobernesse let the Reader search and then give sentence But for mine owne part I desire to answer in the feare of God and not to strive with him in the like measure of sinning A good cause needs no such tricks of wit but as it is of God so it is able to maintaine and defend it self and the more sincerely it is propounded the more it will prevaile In controversies if men will keepe a good conscience their zeale must be tempered with wisedome truth and meeknesse of spirit they must speake as in Gods presence give the right sense of Scripture and make fit application of it seeke the truth in love and that victorie alone which truth will carrie According to the measure of grace received from God I shall desire to walke within these bounds and with this resolution I come to compare cause with cause and reason with reason Let the Scriptures be the only judge betweene us upon which all a Aug. Epist 48. Audi quid dicit Dominus non quid dicit Donatus c. Et de Pastor ca. 4. Ego vocem Pastoris requirâ— lege de Psalmo c. Hieron in Mat. 23. Quod ex Scriptura non habet authoritatem c. Basil de vera fide Nos omnem a Dominica doctrina alienam vocem sententiam fugiamus Chr. in 2 Cor. hom 13. Obsecro oro omnes vos ut relinquatis quid huic vel illi videatur de his scripturis haec omnia inquirite Ambr. tom 3. lib. 5. epist 31. Caeli mysterium doceat me Deus ipse non homo qui seipsum ignoravit Petrus de Aliaco praec Gerson Nullum principis edictum aut ecclesiae decretum est justum nisi sit Divinae legi consonum Novum Testamentum est malleus qui universas haereses interimit est velut lucerna lumen exhibens recurrendum est ad folas Scripturas ut aeteâ—nam salutem adipiscamur conclusions in Divinitie if sound are grounded whereby all distinctions if true are warranted After the voice of God in Scripture the determinations and practices of our Guides who are no b Mat. 11.8 Luc. 7.14 1 Reg. 14.15 sc calamus arundincus non aromaticus sâ—â— mensorius CAN stay answ sect 1. p. 47. Howsoever we must live by our owne faith notwithstanding wee are not lightly to esteeme of the determinations and practices of our Guides specially when we know they are no reedes but men stable and unchangeable in the truth Bilson Christian subject part 2. pag. 351. Many Bishops have taught lyes and and seduced Princes in the Church of God and therfore not their dignitie but their doctrine is it that princes must regard for neither prince nor people stand bound to the persons of men but unto the truth of God and unto their teachers so long as they swerve not from the truth Id. Absolute judge of truth neither prince nor priest may challenge to be for God is truth and of God I trust no man may bee judge The sonne of God saith of himselfe I am truth c. Angust de nuptiis ad Valentin l. 2. cap. 33. Optat. lib. 5. ad Parmenian And page 351. Only God is to limit and appoint by his word what shalt stand for truth and what for errour c. And as Bishops ought to discerne which is the truth before they teach so must the people discerne who teacheth right before they believe Idem page 355. As the pastors have authoritie from Christ to preach the truth and woe be to them that resist the preachers of truth so have all hearers both libertie to discerne and a charge to beware of seducers given them by the same Lord and woe be to them that doe it not reeds but men stable in the truth shall be produced for they are not lightly to be esteemed though their consent cannot bee the ground of Divine faith and assurance The Lord in mercie give us to know the things which concerne our peace comfort and salvation and make us wise to walke in all pleasing before him CHAP. I. THe Question betwixt us is Whether by the Scriptures and principles of the Nonconformists The state of the Question Separation from the Church of England be necessary or lawfull Those that hold it lawfull to be present at the preaching of the Word but not to partake in the prayers of the Congregations nor to be present at the Sacraments there administred I leave to their owne defence The necessity or lawfullnesse of Separation is that which I deny Neither is it here questioned CAN. Necessit of Separ Epist to the Reader Whether the principles of the Nonconformists be true and justifiable but whether the necessity or lawfulnesse of separation can truly and justly be inferred and concluded from them This Position therefore I lay downe as directly contrary to the other That separation from the prayers Sacraments and preaching of the Word of God in the congregations and assemblies of the Church of England is unlawful by the Scriptures that whatsoever complaints whether just or unjust the Nonconformists judicious learned and holy have made of the corruptions in our Church government Ministerie Worship Prayers Administration of the Sacrament and people received or permitted as externall members they doe not inferre either in their judgements or in truth a necessitie or lawfulnesse of Separation from our Churches as no true Churches of Christ our Ministerie as false and Antichristian our Worship as Idolatry And therefore I shall shall hope such as have separated unadvisedly if men of tender hearts they will repent of their rashnesse seeing the grounds where upon they build are rotten the building ruinous and the practice directly tending to the scandall of Religion and discomfort of their soules And now I proceed in the feare of God by the beames of Truth to try and examine what is objected to shew the necessitie of Separation from the Nonconformists principles SEC I. TO Communicate in a false Ministerie CAN. Neces of Separat ca. 1. S. 3 pag. 26 27. The Church acts of Antichristian Ministers are Idolatious Id. Stay sect 1. pag. 5. s 4. p. 28. Id. Stay Answ s 5 pag. 66. Mat. 24.5.24 Hos 4 17. See Jun. on the the place See
negligence unjust usurpation or the like The right of government in Christs name belongeth unto them because it flowes from the ordinance and constitution of Christ as a proper adjunct which cannot be separated from the subject But the action it selfe of government may be n A disput part 3. c. 8. p. 189. When we teach that the Pastour or Pastours of every particular Church or congregation with the Elders of the same being met together have power to bind and loose we understand this onely of such places wherein a competent number of understanding and qualified men may be had to make up an Eldership hindred divers wayes when the being of the Church is not destroyed The Pastours and Teachers may be ignorant of their priviledges and so give away that which of right belongeth unto them or they may be negligent in the execution of their office and not heedfully attend to the Ministery committed unto them The greater part may prevaile against the better or some few may usurpe into their owne hands the power which belongeth unto the Societie which being once gained cannot easily be regained or redeemed in which cases the lawfull action of government is hindred when yet the Church remaineth the true Church of Christ Thus it hath been with the o Ambros in 1 Cor. cap. 5. The Apostle decreed that by the consent and in the presence of all men hee should be cast out of the Church c. Church of God in all ages ever since there was a Church upon the face of the earth And from this fountaine have sprung the errors abuses and corruptions which have prevailed in the Church of God For if p Hieron ad Heâ—iodor in Id. ad Reparium advers Vigilantium disorders get head of necessitie the action of government is some way hindred or neglected Now to your Assumption First Every particular q August contr eâ— Parm. lib. 3. c. 2. Societie of beleevers in the Church of England or singular Pastour of this or that Congregation hath not the power of government neither doth it of right or by divine gift belong unto the communitie of the faithfull or one singular Pastour Secondly The power of Government as it consisteth in discerning betwixt the precious and the vile admonishing the inordinate and excommunicating the obstinate is considered either in respect of the substance parts and duties thereof or in respect of the ordering and administration by such persons and in such a course This distinction must be granted or else all the Churches which administer discipline amisse in any circumstance at any time must be charged to have no discipline at all and they that commit the administration of discipline to persons in mens opinion not designed by Christ not to have the discipline of Christ for substance For example they that commit the execution of discipline to the Presbytery or Classis have not the discipline of Christ in the judgement of the Separation because Christ as they say hath committed it to the communitie or body of the Societie And they that commit the power of government to the r Chrysost in Math. Hom. 83. No small vengeance hangeth over your heads if you suffer any hainous offender to be partaker of this Table people or communitie joyntly with the Elders in the judgement of reformed Churches have not the discipline of Christ because he hath committed it to the Presbytery And every act of government may be excepted against as a nullity because in some circumstance or other the order prescribed by Christ is not fully observed This then considered the Church of England is not without the s If any Prince would be baptized or approach to the Lords Table with manifest shew of unbeliefe or irrepentance the Minister is bouÌ„d freely to speak and rather to lay downe his life at the Princes feet then to let the King of Kings be provoked the mysteries defiled his own soule and the Princes endangered for lacke of often and earnest admonition discipline of Christ for substance whether the word be taken largely or strictly whether we respect right or execution but the outward forme and ordering of the discipline is not in all things according to the Word of God Iâ— by divine right the power of government belongeth either to the societie of Church-governours or the communitie of the faithfull it belongeth also to the Pastours Teachers Elders Assemblies among us As for the execution of discipline largely taken all men know the Word is truely preached and the Sacraments are duely and rightly t Bilson Christian subj part 2. p. 302. If you meane they may not minister the Sacraments unto Princes without faith repentance which God requireth of men that shall be baptized or have accesse to his Table we grant they must rather hazzard their lives than baptize Princes which beleeve not or distribute the Lords mysteries to them that repent not Bilson Christ subj part 3 p. 2. part 3. p. 248. If the Prince will not submit himselfe to the rules and precepts of Christ but wilfully maintaine heresie open impurity the Bishops are without flattery to reprove and admonish the Prince of the danger that is imminent from God and if he persist they must cease to communicate with him in divine prayer and mysteries Bils Ch. sub part 3. pag. 63 64. 74. administred and in what societie soever God is truely worshipped of necessitie the discipline of Christ is in some sort observed If we speake of discipline more strictly all men know the Church of England by doctrine professeth by Law hath established and daily practiseth for substance the execution of the very discipline of Christ The ordering and administration of the censures as it is in the Church of England is faultie and corrupt and how the godly have laboured according to their places the redresse of that evill is not unknowne to the world in part But the want of due execution of discipline or disordered administration thereof doth not argue the Church to want discipline but the due ordering of discipline nor to be no Church but to be defective and much out of order In the Church of the Jewes in the old u Jer. 20.1.2 3. 29.26 27 Mat. 10.17 Iude v. 4.7.8.10 Testament there was many times great neglect of discipline and abuse thereof In the Churches of the New Testament as in Corinth Galatia the Churches to which James and Jude wrote and Rome the execution of discipline could not take place or was much neglected Diotrephes usurped over the Church and corrupted the discipline when the Church continued the true Church of Christ and the faithfull abode in that societie This instance Dr Ames truely alledged to shew that the reprovers of abuses doe not lay the foundation of schisme or separation from the Church which x Can. Neces of Separat pag. 163. you doe well to spurne at because you know not how to remove it For
with the triumphant church And not by all sorts as in outward societie and profession are linked together who yet are not excluded from the societie in respect of profession nor denied to be members of the Church in their kinde or in a sort such as are called onely by externall vocation are members in their kinde of that company called or externally selected but not true members of the Church militant nor militant members of the Church catholique whereof Christ is the head And thus the church is a company of faithfull people sincere upright walking with God which is mixed with hypocrites and wicked livers not as living members of Jesus Christ but as members in a sort of the visible societie as members in the church by outward profession but not of the true militant church SECT V. BEfore I end this point Neces of Separat p. 179 180 181. Babel no Bethel pag. 108. Chall ca. 1. pag 33 34. I will here lay downe some few Syllogismes intirely made up between the Inconformists and Conformists all concluding the forenamed position That Church which hath not a lawfull Ministery is not a true visible Church But the Church of England hath not a true lawfull Ministery Ergo The Church of England is not a true visible Church The proposition is affirmed of the Conformists Sutcl Chal. pa. 40. and answ to the except pag. 65. as Burton Sutcliffe The Assumption is granted by the Nonconformists as we have in the first chapter largely shewed The true visible Church of Christ is a societie of beleeving and faithfull people and a communion of Saints so say the Conformists But the Church of England is not a societie of beleeving and faithfull people a communion of Saints thus write the Nonconformists see page 169. Ergo the Church of England is not the true visible Church The true Church is the Kings daughter described in Psalme 45. But the Church of England is not the Kings daughter so described Therefore the Church of England is not the true Church of Christ Burton answer to Hicholia pag. 100. The proposition is laid downe by the Conformists whereby they prove Rome a false Church The Assumption is the Nonconformists For if they say the truth their members have not those qualities belonging to the Kings daughter neither the Priest nor people See pag. 15.16 39.137 â—â— 69.170 The true Church of Christ is the flocke of Christ 〈◊〉 the Church of England is not the true flock of Christ therefore the Church of England is not the true Church of Christ. The proposition say the Conformists is undeniable BurtoÌ„ in the same Booke pag. 99. Song 1.6 7 Act 20.28 Joh 10.16 Theâ—e Assumption is proved by the Nonconformists Principles compared with Joh. 10.3 4.27 Christs flocke heare his voice and live it and follow it But the Church of England submitting to aâ— unlawfull Minisstery worship and discipline heare not Christs voice nor know nor acknowledge nor follow it but the voyce of Antichrist The Church of God doth keepe the doctrine of the Apostles and Prophets without addition alteration or corruption thus the Conformists Sutcl Chal. cap. 1. pag. 6. arg 9. But the Church of England keepes not the doctrine of the Apostles and Prophets without addition alteration and corruption say the Nonconformists Sec pag 108 Ergo shee is not the Church of God No societie can be tearmed Gods Church which retaineth not Gods true worship this the Conformists But the Church of England doth not retaire Gods true worship say the Nonconformists See pag. 78 to the 213. Ergo The same Booke pag. 13. arg 19. shee cannot be tearmed Gods church The true Church consisteth not of fierce Lyons Wolves Tigres and such like wilde and fierce beasts But of Sheepe and Lambes which learne of Christ and are meeke humble gentle c. So say the Conformists But the English Church doth consist of Lyons Id. pag. 27. arg 〈◊〉 Wolves Tigres and such like wilde and fierce beast's and not of Sheepe and Lambes which learne of Christ and are meeke humble and gentle c. Thus the Nonconformists see pag. 31. c. 145.169 Therefore it is not the true Church Here the Reader seeth cleerely how the Conformists Majors and the Nonconformists Minors make up intire Syllogismes of Separation And how they will be able to loose these knots I know not except by revoking utterly their own grounds which if either of them doe yet I doubt not but we shall be well enough able to maintaine them against men ANSVVER YOu please your selfe with the same Song which here we have over againe and againe tuned with the same art But that which you talke of the Conformists Majors and the Inconformists Minors your slanders set aside is idle and toyish For in that matter there is no difference betwixt the Conformists and the Inconsormists The Conformists Majors as they are truely meant the Inconformists doe assent unto And the abuse of ignorance idlenesse prophanenesse both of Ministers people whereof the Nonconformists complaine the Conformists doe acknowledge and bewaile And your selfe a little after in a matter of the same nature affirme that herein you say no more than what in effect is fully acknowledged Can. Neces of Separat pag. 193. by the Nonconformists Conformists the Church of England the learned generally and all the reformed Churches upon earth and for proofe you quote the same Authors you here all edge And why then doe you trifle thus with the Conformists Major and Inconformists Minor Did the sound of those words please you so well But let the Majors and Minors be whose they will no intire or perfect Syllogismes of Separatisme can be made up of them but such as ignorance in not understanding or an evill conscience in perverting or falsifying their sayings doth conclude They may well stand to their grounds and unloose those knots and if they understand their owne principles they cannot but untie them But how you can free your selfe from the guilt of an evill conscience unlesse you recant what you have written repent of your Separation and acknowledg the wrong you have done to the Nonconformists by misreporting perverting and falsifying their principles as you call them I leave to your serious consideration and the reexamination of what you have done For the right understanding of the Conformists propositions Iâ— speake in your phrase against the Church of Rome we must note That the Romanists hold the Church of Rome to be the catholique Church of Christ here on earth under the Pope the Head in which sense their propositions are to be understood For the true catholique militant Church is a faithfull people a communion of Saints the flocke of Christ that heareth his voyce keepeth the doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles without addition or alteration and worshippeth God truly according to his will And there is truly and properly no member of the militant Church catholique which doth not
large and particular animadversions to himselfe in private The Almighty speedily cast out of his Church all causes of offence cleare up doubtfull truths unto the hearts of his people Compound all differences amongst Brethren make us all of one minde heart and way in his worship that our divisions may no longer dishonour the Gospell distract the weak conscience disinable us to do that good we desire or put weapons into the hands of then who oppose that reformation the perfecting whereof our soules long for through JESUS CHRIST THOMAS LANGLEY WILLIAM RATHBAND SIMEON ASH FRANCIS WOODCOCK GEORGE CROSSE An Advertisement to the READER THis Booke was divided and sent unto severall Presses that it might the sooner come abroad yet by reason of the multitude of Pamphlets which it met with daily it hath beene thrusting through the throng for the space of halfe a yeare at least before it could see the light In which regard also it pleades excuse if in the printing it be not found every way so punctuall as might be desired Farewell THE ANSWERS TO THE EPISTLES BLessed be the Lord 2 Thes 2.8 We see now in good measure that accomplished which the Apostle foretold touching the revelation of the man of sinne and heartily beg the full consuming of him by the brightnesse of Christs comming But the discoverie of that mysterie of iniquitie and consuming of that monster of abominations standeth not in separation from Christian societies intirely professing the true faith worshipping the Lord with that pure worship which he hath appointed and holding communion in those ordinances which God hath blessed to the comfort of thousands and ten thousands even their soules who with most bitternesse oppose those congregations if ever they felt sound comfort indeed Separation from the true Churches of Christ his Ministery and worship of which sort I shall prove that to be by the Word of God for which I plead tendeth not to the overthrow of Antichrist but to the renting of the Church the disgrace of Religion the advancement of pride schisme contention the offence of the weak the griefe of the godly who be better setled the hardening of the wicked and the recoverie or rising againe of Antichristianisme They that condemne our Assemblies Ministerie and Worship and voluntarily separate from the preaching of the Word Prayers and Sacraments as Antichristian if in words they doe not maintaine Antichrist really they doe him more credit than his chiefe upholders For of necessitie they must confesse that in Antichristian Churches the intire faith may be purely professed the doctrine of salvation plentifully preached Ambr. in Luc. l. 6. c. 9. tom 5. Petra tua Christus est fundamentum Ecclesia fides est Si in Petra fueris in Ecclestaeris Pâ—ra est Ch istus Hieron in Psa 133. Ecclesia ibi est â—bi fides vera est Ecclesia autem vera illic erat vbi fides vera eral cum haeretici omnes bas ecclesias possidebant Aug in epâ—st Ich. tract 3. Estautem mater ecclesia uberaejus â—uo Testamenta divinarum Sâ—r. hinc sugatur lac omnium Sacrameatorum pro aeterna salute nostra gestorum Eâ—â—n Psalm 21. Vbicunque timetur Deus laudatur ibi est ecclesia Parker Ep. published in the prophane Schisme of the Brownists CAN A stay against straying answ § .. 1. p. 44. Mediam tennâ—â—e beati The true and pure worship of God is called grosse idolatry CAN stay §. 4. p. 32. Filthy superstition Id. sect 1. p. 49. Our assemblies the harlots house Id. sect 4. p. 61. The best Preachers are the worst Id. sect 5. p. 76. In Scriptures are said to be Robbers and Thievs yea spirituall sorcerie is charged upon them Id. se 8. p. 87. the seales of the covenant for substance rightly administred and by the blessing of God upon his owne meanes Christian soules ordinarily converted and nourished unto life eternall which is much more than all the factors for Antichrist shall ever bee able to make good and if true nothing could be 〈…〉 to the praise of Antichristianisme In effect 〈…〉 they lesse than even persecute the Lord Iesus in his hadst which they revile in his ordinances which they dishonour and in his servants whose footsteps they slander whose 〈◊〉 they desolse whose office they trample upon with 〈…〉 Which if the forward abettors and promoters of this separation did advisedly consider and take the Lord before them they would not furiously brand and abandone that worship and ministerie which hath the approbation and carrieth the seale of God As it is unlawfull to approve that thing which ought to be condemned so to condemne what is to bee justified much more to cast off and reject those godly assemblies which Christ hath and doth grace with the presence of his grace as false and that worship which is tendered to God alone in the mediation of Iesus Christ according to his will as idolatry and that Ministerie which God hath and daily doth blesse to the gaining and edifying of soules unto life everlasting as Antichristian Humble mindes are afraid of novelties CAN stay sect 1. p. 48. But this is the greatest noveltie that ever was heard of in the Churches of the Saints All that we speak we should affirm out of the holy Scriptures soundly interpreted and rightly applyed But this judgement is not of God is not taught in Scripture CAN stay sect 11 p. 112. In corde animáque credentium ponitur idolum quando novuÌ„ dogma constituitur Hier. in Jer. 32. Omne dogma contrarium veritati adorat epera manuum suaruÌ„ constituit idola in terrá suâ Hier. in Isa 2. Ne sitâ—s mulâ—e Magistri dissentiâ—ntes a doctrinâ uniâ—â— Magistri Christi August l. 1. Retract A Stay sect 1. pag. 47. Quicquid pariter omnes uno eodemque consensu c. Vincent Lyrinen cont proph haeret c 4. Field of the Ch. l. 3 〈◊〉 43. p. 175. is not consonant to the doctrine of Christ our only Master as in the examination of particulars shall be shewed If it bee a great sinne to be rash and adventurous upon opinions in matters of Religion where men are not first well informed in judgement by true grounds of knowledge What is it to condemne the Churches Ministery Worship and Servants of the Lord Iesus against the expresse Sentence of our heavenly Master and Teacher If an Idoll be set up in the Church when a new Opinion is broached as some cite it out of Hierom they of the Separation upon tryall will be found the strangest Idoll makers in the world because they have broached the strangest noveltie that ever was maintained in the Church Such as lay downe rules saith the author of the Stay to find out the truth by write thus What the Fathers all with one consent have held and written is a necessarie token to know the truth by And whatsoever hath been holden at all times and in all places by all Christians that have
ab ipsis corpore divelli possumus nos ad meliores conferre onmino debemus sed saepâ— fit ut velis nolis in medio impâ—orumâ—e veâ—sari oporteat caveas igilur ab eorum studâ—is operibus ut Deus tecum loquatur Lavat in Eack cap. 3. Hom. 11. and this is altogether unlawfull For Gods people when the matter commeth to their practice must have the judgement of discretion and further they crave not the judgement I say of discretion to try the Spirits whether they be of God or not And in case the Church whether of ignorance or contention or a man-pleasing humour determine in doctrine against the Word or in ceremonie against the generall Rules their duty is to obey God rather than man But the sinnes of the Minister or other part of the Congregation shall not be imputed to him who doth only communicate in the ordinances of worship 2 To communicate in a false Ministerie may import to communicate in the ordinances of worship with them whose calling is not in every respect approved of God and this is lawfull If then the sense of this reason be That our Ministerie is absolutely false or a meere nullitie it cannot be made good by Scripture grounds or Non-conformists principles but the contrary is most evident And he that shall undertake to prove such a desperate Proposition must grant that there was neither Church or Sacrament nor Ministerie in the world for many hundred yeers past if he finde not just cause to question his owne Christendome But if the meaning be that it is not lawfull to communicate in the worship of God with Ministers not fitly qualified disorderly called or carelesly executing their office and function then it is directly crosse to the Word of truth sound reason and consent of all the learned If you demand as you doe of your Pistoler Where I pray you doe you read in the Scriptures of two kinds of Antichristian churches speak out man shew us the place the chapteâ— and the verse ingenuous dealing requires it Stay sect 3. pag 20. Isa 56 10 11.12 Jer. 8 8.9 10.11 Mâ—c 3.11 Mal. 2.8 Ezek 44.7 8 9 10. See Iun. annot in loc L water ibid. M.c. 3.11 Jerem. 5.31 1 Sam. 2.12 15 16 17 25. 1 Sam. 1.1 2 3 Iâ—h 2 16. See Constant Emperor Comâ—in Misn where wee read in Scripture of these two kinds of false Ministers and communicating with either in the ordinances of worship we will shew you the place the chapter and the verse When the Priests were dumb dogs that could not bark and greedy dogs that could never have enough was their Ministerie true or false were they qualified as becomes the Ministers of the Lord of hoasts or no The strangers and uncircumcised which were set to take the charge of the Lords Sanctuary were they true Ministers or false When the Priests taught for hire and the Prophets prophesied for money when the â—rophets prophesied lies and the Priests bare rule by their means Was their Ministery true or false Were the Sonnes of Eli true or false Ministers qualifyed as becommeth the servants of God they were not but the function which they executed was of God When the Priests bought and sold Doves in the Temple or took upon them to provide Doves or such like things for them that were to offer was their Ministerie true or false Did they that whereunto they were appointed of God or noe Matth 5.20.21 22. c. Matth. 15.3 4 5. Matth. 23.13.15 When the Scribes and Pharisees corrupted the Law by false glosses taught for doctrines mens precepts made the Commandement of God of none effect by their traditions shut up the Kingdome of heaven before men neither going in themselves nor suffering them that would making those of their profession twofold more the children of hell than themselves When they taught Justification by works and perfect obedience to the whole law and denied in Christ both the Person and office of the Messiah blaspheming him in his doctrine as a deceiver of the people Matth. 12.24 Luk 7 30. Joh. 7.32 Matth. 21.45 36. in his life as a glutton and wine-drinker in his glorious miracles as one that wrought them by the Devill and when they hated to be reformed was their Ministerie true or false were they called of God or did they thrust in themselves before they were sent If their Ministerie was true then an ignorant Idoll profane idle Ministerie which despiseth knowledge opposeth Godlinesse prophaneth the holy things of God corrupteth the Law polluteth the worship strengtheneth the hands of the wicked and leadeth the blinde out of the way may be a true and lawfull Ministerie of God It is besides the marke here to answer that the Scribes and Pharisees did neither minister to any but the Lords people nor in an unlawful place nor by an unlawful entrance For the Question now is of their Ministerie the qualification of their persons to the office which they took upon them Whether such a Ministerie as theirs was to be approved of God and such Persons to be chosen or continued in their standing For be their outward calling what it will and the people to whom they administer as they may if the Ministerie be not of God if the persons be not qualified as God requireth if they execute not their office for God according to his will revealed and the good of his people but against God according to their owne corrupt immaginations and to the griefe of the godly their standing in that place and roome without question is not of Gods approbation nor their calling lawfull It might be added Num 8 9 10. Lâ—â— 8.3 that though the tribe of Levi onely was used to the Ministerie yet all that tribe was not applyed that wayes nor those at all adventure but by choice according to their abilities And therefore if the Pharisees were not fitted in some measure for their office the choice was not by approbation from God nor their entrance lawfull If then their Ministerie was false either it was unlawfull to communicate with them in the ordinances of worship Matth. 8.4 Luk. 17.14 Io. 18.20 Luk. 22.53 which is directly crosse to Scripture the examples of the Prophets our Saviour his Apostles and all the faithfull or to communicate with or in a false Ministerie is not a breach of the second Commandement They that preached Christ of envie Phil. 1.15 St Paul to the Philip. is glad that the Gospel is preached although it be not purely but he would never have been glad if it should have been preached falsly or not truly c. the want of a good calling may give occasion to say that the Word of God is not sincerely taught because there is not a lawfull ordinary calling l. C. repl 1 pag. 28. to adde affliction to Pauls bands were they true Ministers or false What soever you will say to heare them preach Christ was no breach of the
the ordinances of prescribed Worship though they must take heed to their soules Mâ—â— 15.16 Mâ—â— 5.20 that they be not deceived by them The Scribes and Pharisees were blinde guides who did neither teach the way of life nor walke therein and yet our Saviour forbad not the faithfull to heare or communicate with them in the Worship of God He charged his Disciples to beware of their leaven Mâ—â—th 16.12 23.16 Luk. 12.1 Amsw in Song cap. 1. v. 6. and let them alone because they were blinde leaders of the blinde but so long as they preached the truth and woshipped God aright he never prohibited them to heare and communicate in the ordinances To beware of false Prophets then is not evermore in body to separate from them A Deo â—ocati itque constitutt sunt ut legâ—â—n Moses in Syâ—â—gugis populo praeâ—â—gant c. Quale â—unque 〈◊〉 sunt 〈◊〉 est reciplâ—â—aâ— si veâ—o 〈…〉 consâ—n aâ—â—â— iâ—â—â—â—lenda 〈…〉 Pise it in Matth. 23.2 3. Aug. in Ioh. 〈◊〉 46. 〈…〉 â—â—crâ— nolite audâ—â—c â—olite faecâ—e spanâ— que 〈…〉 Visin de Lâ—â—â— Baptarg desen pag. 1691. Pâ—â—â— 5.3.7 Aug. cp 2â—◠〈…〉 voâ—abub 〈◊〉 disternâ—t quotidiana 〈…〉 quodest inimicumnom ni Christi 〈…〉 consâ—â—cure Lyâ—â— expounds this place of the false Church Tâ—nt 2. p. 314. CAN Sâ—y §. 4. p. 61. but not to receive their doctrine or hearken to the devises of their owne hearts For of false prophets that teach corrupt things and mangle the Word of life some have standing in the house of God and doe performe the office of teachers and dispencers of holy mysteries whose devises we must so reject as that we depart not from the ordinances nor cast off that which is of God Others set up a strange worship which is not of God teach their owne dreames and not the Truth of God be set apart for reall idolatry or have no standing at all in the Church of God and with these we are not to communicate because these things are not of God nor to be performed by any calling or authoritie from God whatsoever But whiles you speake of false Prophets without any distinction you faine a new forme of speech and bring in a new doctrine Solomon exhorteth to attend unto wisedome and keep understanding because otherwise he may be deceived by the lips of the a dulterous woman which drop as the hony combe But with what face or conscience can this be applyed to them who preach the faith of Christ intirely and administer the seale of the Covenant for substance according to the pleasure of the Institutor Or to them that be not rightly qualified who yet are set apart to teach the truth read the Scriptures dispence the Sacraments in societies professing the true faith and doctrine of salvation It will be said False teachers are Adulteresses In some resemblance and similitude they may be so called but Metaphoricall speeches must not be over-retched And who are those false Teachers Not every man who is not rightly qualified for the Ministery enters disorderly Ainsw in Sâ—ng c. 2.15 The taking of these Foxes is the discovering and refuting of â—â—eir errours â—â—e judging censuring and câ—sting them out of the Church 1 Tim. 1.3.18 19 20. or wording them if thâ— be none of the Church 2 Ioh. 10. Qui 〈…〉 deâ—que improvatâ— atque dammatâ— â—â—â—coqucâ—â— posti 〈…〉 est Rolioc in 1 Theol. 5.21 Câ—fehill â—reâ—t of one Crossâ— pag. 25. Stay against Sect. 1. p. 2. Pl. pag. 22. Hen. Amsw First Ansvv c p. 26. Now seeing such vveeds flourished shortly after in the garden of thâ— Lord is it not more Life for us thinke you to keep that foundation of the Apostles and Prophets on which Christs Church is builded thâ—n to build upon the boggs 〈…〉 executeth his office remissely nor every one that now and then mingles his owne devises with the Truth of God For any one or all these may be found in him who supplieth the place and standeth in the roome of a true Teacher with whom the people of God may and ought to communicate not in his sin but in the true Worship of God Sufficient hath been said of this matter before from the example of the Priests Scribes and Pharisees To which this one thing may be added That if all must goe for such false Prophets and Adulteresses with whom it is not lawfull to communicate against whom any exception may be taken in respect of entrance execution doctrine and administration I feare there will scarce be found a Church or Ministerie since the Apostles times wherewith the Faithfull might lawfully hold Communion It is well knowne many errours and superstitions crept into the Church immediately after the Apostles death and the Pastors had their hands deep in the maintenance of them What one saith of Chrysostome as you cite him may be said of others before and after him He was not without his faults His golden mouth wherein he passed others sometime had leaden words which yeelded to the errour and abuse of others I am not ignorant that in his daies many evill customes were crept into the Church which in his workes he reproveth not And so much the aforesaid Author had expressed a little before There is not any of them saith hee that the world doth most wonder at but have had their affections nor I thinke that you adversaries to us and to the Truth will in every respect admit all that any one of the Fathers wrote My selfe were able from the very first after the Apostles times to run them over all and straitly examining their words and assertions finde imperfections in all and thus farre the Authour What then must the Faithfull disclaime them all as false Prophets and Adulteresses and shun all Communion and fellowship with them in the worship of God If boysterous zeal did not blinde mens eyes I should wonder if you be not astonished at your abuse of Scripture in this matter And when you cite Scripture allegorically in this manner you may doe well to call to remembrance what your selfe have noted out of Mr. CAN. Stay §. 15. p. 135. Knewstubs against the Heresies of N. N. pag. 61. To uphold the heresies of N. N. this is one speciall and principall practice that the historie and native sense of the Word of God is altogether neglected of him and in stead thereof is entertained an allegoricall and bastardly construction foolish and fond distinctions which thing utterly defaceth the certaintie of the sacred Scripture and maketh no other thing of it than a nose of waxe The Apostle giveth charge to beware of dogs Phil 32. Deodat Ital. Bible That is profane and impure thus he calleth false Prophets who taught that the righteousnesse and salvation of man did consist in part in the works of the Law and imposed a necessiâ—â—e to observe the Mosaicall ceremonies Act. 15.1 Zanch. in Ph. 3.2 Sect. de Caâ—eâ—dis falsis Doctor Bern. sup Cant. serm
murderers in the Church of the Jewes sprung up with them and continued amongst them and neither departed themselves nor were cast out by others that had authoritie In the Christian Church divers false Teachers ravening Wolves Antichrists rose up 1 Joh. 2.19 Tit. 3.10 1 Tim 1.20 2 Thes 2.3 4. Phil. 1.15 not from among the heathen or Jews but in and from themselves whereof some went out from the Church and separated themselves others were cast out by excommunication and delivered up to Satan that they might learne not to blaspheme Others were tolerated in the Church either because their heresies were not so pernicious at the first or the better side had not power to cast them out or they preached the fundamentall Truths but of evill mindes These in respect of outward order were lawfully elected or called but false Prophets discovered by their doctrine not by their calling When the Apostle exhorteth Timothy not to partake in other menâ— sins doth he not intimate that unfit unable unworthy Ministers might be ordained in the Churches though unlawfully and some of them continuing in the Church the Faithfull are not forbidden to partake of the Ordinances of God because they are present but to beware of their errours that they be not infected by them But if by strangers we understand onely such as did arise from without and brought blasphemous doctrine directly contrary to the foundation of the Faith or such as are justly cast out by the Church that they might learne not to blaspheme then the Faithfull might neither communicate with them in publike nor receive them unto house but flie from them both in minde and body But thieves who lead not in by the doore Christ who have strange voices which the sheep acknowledge not who bring another foundation besides Jesus Christ Atha ad solitariam vita agentes complaineth against Constantius That whereas the Bishops in those daies were wont to be lawfully chosen by the people of the place and sufficiently examined and allowed by other Bishops ad joyning and openly created in the Church Constantius in stead of the Church would have his â—alace succeed and for the multitude of people and right Assemblies to elect he commanded three Euâ—uches to be present and three of his Spies or Prolers for you cannot call them Bishops that they sixe in his palace might create one Felix a Bishop And notiâ—g what manner the Emperor and his Eunuches made he saith In illorum locum juvenes libidinosos e hnieos ne catechismo quiaem imbutos neâ— non bigamos maximis crimin bus male and entes modo aurum darent vesâ—i emptorese forâ— ad Episcopatu summiserere Bilson Christian Subj part 2. pag 255. these are not to be enrolled with such as teach the doctrine of Faith truly for they are not strangers either in respect of Sect Religion or Lawes they are of the houshold of God they serve the Lord as he hath prescribed and walke according to his Law And what is it to wrest the Scripture if this be not when that which is spoken against utter enemies of our Saviour Christ who refused to be shepheards under him and his Ensigne is applied to them who are furnished with singular knowledge wisedome and utterance teach the truth of the Gospell intirely and leade the sheep of Christ to the waters of life whose labours God hath blessed whose voice the sheep heare and receive in whose message they rejoyce and whom they follow as they teach Christ You pretend the testimony of the learned in this matter but let the places be examined and they will be found either to make directly against you or nothing for you as I shall have occasion to shew in the next Section and shall be done more fully when you shall set downe the words of the Authors whereupon you build and attempt from them to make good your conclusion In the meane space I will forbeare tediously to repeat over and over again that such and such make nothing for you and such and such are grossely abused and falsifyed Now let us lay the Principles and Inference together and see if they close The Nonconformists complain of many grosse abuses in the Ministerie in the Election Ordination Qualities of the Person admitted and execution of the function as that ignorant negligent profane men are set over the flock and Non-residents Pluralists men of corrupt mindes who discourage the godly and hearten the profane But this complaint they put not up against all but many in the Ministery The Inference you would make upon their ground is That it is unlawfull to communicate not onely with these men in the Ordinances of Gods Worship but even with the most learned godly and painfull who teach the Truth live holily dispence the Mysteries of Godlinesse purely be approved of the Congregations and blessed of the most high If I took pleasure in your veine call it as you please I could say CAN. Stay §. 11. p. 114. I suspect my sight and I aske of my selfe againe and againe could the Treat write so unskilfully For if this be not a Non sequitur then Fooles cannot speake Non-sense You may take it home For I know not to whom it can be so fitly applyed as to your selfe When this Inference is made good by Scripture Reason or Learned Author I shall suspect that the Non-conformists doe not walke according to their Principles But till then there is just ground to think that in making such Inferences you abuse both your selfe and others That which you adde concerning the dumbe Ministers out of M. Penry CAN. Neces of Sep. p. 43. Id. Neces of Sep. Epist to the Reader is besides the point for he was no Non-conformist but a Separatist by your confession and if no man of pietie will pleade for them yet men of piety learning and judgement doe and must pleade for it is a truth that there is not an absolute Nullitie of their Ministerie and this I presume upon better advice you will not denie or if you doe you must not stay in the Separation which you have made SEC II. CAN Necessitie of Separation pag. 29 30. NOne may heare or joyne in Spirituall Communion with that Ministerie which hath not a true vocation and calling by election approbation and ordination of that Faithfull people where he is to administer Id pag. 46. If their Parsons Vicars Parish Priests Stipendiaries c. be neither in election nor ordination made Ministers agreeable to the Word of God then is their Ministerie false unlawfull Antichristian and so consequently they deale with the holy things of God CAN. Stay §. 11. pag. 113. All these affirme That whosoever taketh upon him to preach without a lawfull sending commeth in not by a lawfull election and holy Church ordinance but breaketh in against order by force and favour of men and by humane lawes he is a Stranger a thiefe a murderer according to Christs
repl 1. pag. 41. Ambr de offic lib. 1. cap. 50 Grat dist 93. cap. 21. Ex quo iâ— Ecclesis sicut in imperio Romano crevit avaritia perit iex de sacerdote visia de Prpheta Bas in Asceticis Chry. desacer complaints have been made against abuses of this nature by all sorts ancient and moderne who never denyed the Churches where the true faith was professed to be the true Churches of Christ Cyprian complaines thus Here I am grievously troubled that the Church hath many Pastors who not onely doe not oppose their bodies against the incursions of wolves but also they themselves doe play the parts of wolves whiles they destroy the souls of the simple they themselves serving their bellies gaine and ambition and make merchandise of the Word of God and adulterate it with ungodly opinions The Counsell of Nicâ— makes complaint That many things in the admission of Presbyters and Bishops was done contrary to the Rule Leo That the office of a Pastor and government of the Church was committed to men altogether unworthy Hierom reproacheth the Bishop of Ierusalem that he could as himselfe boasted make in one houre a thousand Clarks and condemneth it in others That Clarkes run to the Bishops suffraganes certaine times of the yeere and bringing some summe of money they are ordained being chosen of none Ambrose sheweth the abuse in his time to be this If a man asked some of them who preferred them to be Priests answers is made by and by that the Archbishop for an hundred shillings ordained me Bishop Nazianzon in Apolog That they which handle holy things with unwashen hands and polluted souls are more in number than they over whom they rule Miseri in â—iotate miseri in splendore And ad Maximum Ad Pastoralis muneris administrationem nihil contulerunt ui 〈◊〉 quod comam quam turpiter alere studuerunt raserunt And in the same place De pecumiis jam in ecclesia bellum geritus When Basil of an Heathen was made a Christian he saith That he did greatly wonder at the dissentions which were in the Church concerning Faith and the contentions of the Governors because every one leaving the doctrine of our Lord Iesus Christ did challenge to himself by his owne authoritie certaine rules and orders Also J perceived dissentions to arise from hence because there was no discipline no knowledge of God or it was perveâ—se if any Chrysostome Neque immeritos solum adlegâ— sed idone 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Toletan Councells complaine that for eighteen yeeres no Synod was held Whence came grosse ignorance and corruption of the Ministers It would be too long to set downe at large the grave sharpe and lamentable complaints that Nicholas de Clemang Petrus de Aliaco See Nichol. Clemang speculum Eccles Petrus de Aliaco reformat Eccle. Bern. in Conv. S. P. ser 1. Heu Heu Domine Deus Ipsi sunt in persecutione tua primi qui videatur in Eccl sia tua primatum genere Id. in Cant. ser 76. Parum est nostris vigilibus quod non servant nisi perdant Gildas See Vsser de primord Eccles Brâ—â— Hâ—oper on the 8 Command pag. 74 79. Whitaker de pont Rom. presat ad Audito res In sch smatis remedium hoc primo invenâ—um est quod ipso morbo magis pericudesum fuisse molti virt sancti prudentes judicarunt Quod quamquam non statim apparuit tamen misera experientia demceps demonstravit Tum enim ambitio irepsit in Ecclesiam Episcopi caeperunt non minus de dignitate suarum sedium quam de Christi grege cogitare c. Gregor Nazianz. orat 2. pag 399. They intrude themselves unto the most holy Ministeries with unwashen hands and minds as they say and before they are worthy to come unto the Sacraments they affect the Sanctuarie it selfe circum sacrasanctam mensam premuntur protenduntur esteeming this order not an example of vertue but a maintenance and helpe of life Bernard and our Gildas have published against the Ecclesiasticall Governours of their times for their ignorance pride luxurie riot drunkennesse persecution of all true godlinesse covetousnesse rapine contentions brawles simonie and what not And since the time of Reformation not the Inconformists only but the godly Bishops and Martyrs themselves have observed bewailed and reproved these abuses Father Latimer in his Sermons generally but in his Sermon of the Plough is plaine and large against the pompe and idlenesse of Bishops who Lord it over but feed not the Flock of Christ muzzle the people in ignorance and profanenesse live riotously hunt after preferment but seek not the winning of souls unto God Bishop Hooper complaines saying It is great pity to see how farre that office of a Bishop is degenerated from the originall in the Scripture it was not so at the beginning when Bishops were at the best as the Epist of Paul to Titus testifieth that willed him to ordaine in every Citie of Creete a Bishop And as sharply and closely he censureth the Bishops of his daies for arrogating to themselves so much witt as to Rule and serve in both States in the Church and in the Civill Policie and to the contrary professeth That one of them is more than any man is able to satisfie and that it is not possible that one should doe both well and that it is a great oversight of the Princes and higher Powers of the earth so to charge them with two burdens when none of them as he saith is able to beare the least of them both The accusations which are brought against both the Ministers and members in the Separatists Congregations are not few nor light nor such as can be wiped away with reproaches All these have borne witnesse of the great disorders and corruptions which have been in the Church of God but they never deemed the societie was to be abandoned because of these great and erroneous blemishes rather they sought the redresse and reformation of what was amisse If some things of man be mixed with that which is of God as humane superioritie with divine Ministerie the pure wheat with some chasse the holy Sacraments with rites savouring of superstition a found Christian is not to cast away what is of God as a nullitie fruitlesse defiled Antichristian Idolatrous because somewhat humane is annexed unto them nor in defence of the good to be charged or condemned as going crosse to that which he taught against the evill Aug. de fid bon oper tom 4.4 Nos vero ad piam doctrinam pertinere arbitramur ut canes in ecclesia propter pacem ecclesiae toleremus Iun. animad in Bell. contr 5. l. 1 ca. 3. l. 1. ca. 3. not 24. Speaking of Popish ordination saith A parte ad totum non procedit argumentatio In ordinatione aliquid nihil facâ—unt ergo nihili faciunt ordinationem Quod Dei quod ecclesiae in ea est permagni facimus quod
to be planted there if hee allow maintenance for them and place such as be worthy they shall be ordained upon his Nomination And the Toletan Councel decreed That as long as the founders of Churches doe live they shall be suffered to have the chiefe and continuall care of the said Churches and shall offer fit Rectors to the Bishop to be ordained And if the Bishop neglecting the founders shall presume to place any others let him know that his admission shall be voide and to his shame but if such as they chuse be prohibited by the Canons as unworthy then let the Bishop take to promote some whom he thinketh more worthy In these particulars the coÌ„sent of the people is too much abridged as in some other particulars they tooke too much upon them or they gave their right away when yet the calling of the Minister or the office whereunto he was called in those cases was not a nullitie Jn many things saith the Councell of Paris which was the complaint of the Nicene Councell long before the old custom is neglected and the decrees of the Canons are broken But the Ministerie of the Word and Sacraments was not made voide thereby The godly learned consonant to the Scriptures have evermore distinguished betwixt an error in admission into an office and a flat nullitie of the office it selfe The Ministers election into his office Neque tamen ubique ea in parte felix fuit Ecclesia alicubi enim haeretici locum docendi adepti sunt alicubi etiam omissa accurata diligentia invocatione electione minus idonei rerum habenis sunt potiti ut Irenaeus ad Victorem scribens testatur Illiric catalog test lib. 2. tit Eccles Gubern Hatina in vita Damâ—f 2. Adeo enim inoleveraâ— hic mos ut jam cuique ambitioso liceret Petri sedem inv dere Id. in vita Benedict 4. Vbi cum ipsis opibus lascivire caepit Ecclesia Dei versis ejus cultoribus a severitate ad lisciviam c. T C. repl 1. pag. 23. Ibid. Leo. Epist. 40. Concil Niâ—â—â— 2. August oper brev collat cap 5. â—i 2 conâ—r epâ—set Parmen ca. 13. Georg. Pâ—nce Anâ—t sol 66. ought to be according to the Rules of the Word before he enter into the Ministerie he should be blamelesse apt to teach sound in Faith and much more is he to approve himself to be such a one in the execution considering that falls in the execution are much more dangerous to the Church than before But defects in the election doe not make the calling it selfe utterly unlawfull If one blame-worthy be elected or tolerated after he is not to be reputed as one that ministers altogether without a calling Therefore the Non-conformists never taught that the Minister is not to be heard or that wee must not hold communion with him in the Ordinances of Worship who is not elected and ordained by the societie where he is to administer though they maintain the consent of the people to be essentiall to the full compleat call of a Minister to that place and people Thus they doe professe in answere to this and such like accusations Where saith T.C. doe they reason thus The Word of God is not preached because the Mnisters are not rightly proved and elected c. Is it all one to say it is not purely preached it is not truly preached c. They nver said that there is no Ministerie in England nor yet doe ever conclude that there is no Word nor Sacraments nor Discipline nor Church Herein they affirme or teach nothing but what the godly learned in all ages have acknowledged Anatolius consecrated of Dioscorus was approved of Leo and Tharasius The Orthodox Fathers professed so the Donatists would returne to the Catholike true and Apostolicall Faith or Doctrine they would not disallow their Bishops that they might understand saith Augustine that Catholikes did not detest Christian consecration but humane errour We use this moderation saith George Prince Anhalt That they who are called forth to Parochiall offices if they promise that they for the time to come will preach the Word purely and administer the Sacraments according to Christs institution we receive them Horumque contenti vocatione See Grat. Decret 2 part ca. 2. Qu. 7. ca. 8.18 19 20. ca. 1. qu. 1. ca. 52. Socrat. hist. l. 1. ca. 9. Art Smal. par 3. art 10. Stay §. 11. p. 133. Par. in Heb. 5.4 Stay §. 4. p. 30. Par. in Rom. 10.14 15. Legitima autem vocatio ecclesiae est quae in quâvis ecclesiâ publica authoritate ordinis causâ ad aedificationem instituta Dan. in 1. Tim 5. pag. 363.364 pag. 343. Stay §. 4. pag. 30. §. 11. pag. 113. For. Iren. l. 2. cap. 11 prop. 13. tit de Haeretic Certe ad agnoscimus de omnibus clericis haereticis quoad jus liciti exercitii quoad alios uâ—ab corum communione abstincant cis non obediant sed non est accipiendum de onmibus haereticis quoad valorem exercitii in Sacramentorum administratione licet iniustae eorum censurae etiaÌ„ ipso iure nullae sint muneris demandati commissione ordinationem manus impositionem non iteremus So Art Smal. Si. Episcopi suo officio recte fungerentur cur am ecclesiae Evangelii gererent c. Pareus is praysed by your self as an interpreter one of a thousand and oft cited by you in this matter as one that condemneth the hearing of them that are unlawfully sent But according to Pareus He is lawfully sent who is called according to the order which is instituted by publique authoritie in every Church for order sake and to edification Danaeus sharply taxeth the manner of calling Ministers which be conceived to be in use in England and is againe and againe alledged by you in this question but he doth admonish withall that we must distinguish betweene a calling maimed and none at all Ex his autem omnibus saith hee apparet quam nulla sit vel non legitima eorum verbi Dei Ministrorum vel ecclesiae Pastorum vocatio qui solius regis vel reginae vel patroni vel episcopi vel Archiepiscopi authoritate diplomate bullis jussu judicio fit vel eligitur Id quod dolendum est adhuc fieri in iis ecclesiis quae tamen purum Dei verbum habent sequuntur veluti in media Anglia Nam Anglos homines alio qui sapientissimos acutissimos pientissimos in istis tamen papisticae idololatriae tyrannidis reliquiis agnoscendis tollendis scientes prudentesque caecutire mirum est Itaque praeclare sentiunt qui omnem illam chartulariam episcopaticam curionum pastorum Ecclesiae creandorum rationem item ex solo episcopi consensu diplomate ministrorum verbi caelestis vocationem approbationem inaugurationem damnant tollendamque ex reformata ad Dei verbum Ecclesiâ censent quòd ordo Dei verbo praescriptus
Christum And a little after to Bellarmine objecting the dangers which may follow in popular elections hee answereth The danger is not so great ubi conjunctus est Clerus actionem dirigit Presbyterium praesertim consilio auctoritate vicinorum Episcoporum Ecclesiarum accedente And after that Et boni vicini quoque accedant ex ordine Not. 27. fratres alti ex communi officio charitatis si quando opus est prout Ambrosium fecisse Nediolanensi Ecclesiae narrat Theodor. hist lib. 4. cap. 7. In the Primitive times one Church might elect and chuse a Pastor for another and the Governours of one Church were chosen by the confent and suffrage of others Ignatius writeth thus to the Philadelphians It behoveth you as the Church of God to chuse a Bishop Of what Church would Ignatius have the Philadelphians to chuse a Bishop Not of their owne The Church of Christ was guided by the common conâ—enâ— and mutuall agreement of both parts as well East as West as a peares in the case of Athanasiu◠〈…〉 Arian Haec quidem Aegyptii ad omnes ad episcopum Romanâ—â— Iâ—l um scripsâ—â—e 〈◊〉 apol 2. Sozom l. 3. c. 7.10 11. Ignat. ad 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Theod. l. 2. ca. 4. Basil Ep. 48. 〈◊〉 Athan. â—1 occiden◠〈…〉 69. 〈◊〉 Gallis 70. Gall. et Jtal. epâ—se 74. occident ep se See 〈◊〉 〈…〉 Or to fend some sufficient legate to heale the breach that was made and quench the flame that was kindled in his Church at Antioch 〈…〉 Govern ca. 7. pa. 76. 〈…〉 13. Cyyrian meant this of such mutuall aâ—d and concord as might profit the Church and well beseem the servants of Christ but allows not that men should run to 〈◊〉 for helpe against the judgement and acts of their Pastors Cypr. 〈◊〉 Epist 3. 4. for in the beginning of his Epistle he greatly commendeth the Bishop which they had already But he exhorteth them to elect a Pastor of the Church at Antioch as the words before going doe make it evident All Bishops saith Cyprian sunt mutuae comcordiae glutine copulatae that if any one hold haeresie the rest should helpe and therefore he moved Stephanus the Pope to write to the Bishops in France that they should depose the Bishop of Arles and to the people that they should chuse another in his roome Theod. l. 5. c. 23. Cypr. l. 4. epist. 8. See Iun. Eccles l 3. c. 1 Amb epist 82. See what Socrates reporteth of the election of Chrysost Socr. hist l. 6. ca. 2. Theod. hist l. 4. c. 6 See Theod. bust l. 5. c. 8. Sozom. l. 7. c. 8. Socr. l. 6. c. 2. Iun. eccles l. 3. c. 1. Erat sanetum talis politia in Ecclesia sicut membrorum in uno corpore ubi omnia uni compatiuntur prespuiunt medentur Illitici catal test lib. 2. p. 109. Theodoret testifieth In the ordination of a Bishop All the Bishops of a Province ought to be called together Cornelius Bishop of Rome was confirmed of the Bishops of Africk Gregorius Presbyter in the life of Nazianzene affirmeth of the Bishops of Macedonia and Egypt that they contradicted the election of Nazianzene because he was made Bishop before they came Ambrose writeth That his election was confirmed of all the Bishops of the East and West and Theodoret That Valentinian the Emperor confirmed it also Election therefore was not ever made by the particular congregation where the Pastor or Teacher was to administer but other Churches and specially the Guides by common consent were called to assist the Church in that weighty businesse And this the Non-conformists judge not only lawfull but meet expedient necessary in some cases And therefore in many particulars they except against the proposition as none of theirs and against your confident assertion that you were sure the propositions were both theirs when as it is neither found in them nor in any writer ancient or moderne nor in the holy Scriptures And when you peruse the testimonies alledged Rhemists annot in Ioh. 10. §. 1. be judge your selfe whether you did not grossely mistake or abuse your Reader when you cite the Rhemists as if they pleaded for the Parochial election of a Pastour as onely lawfull As for the Assumption It is true the Ministers of the Church of England are not ordained by the particular Congregations where they administer nor is it necessarie to a true and entire calling that it should be so That they be not approved of the particular society is false in many of them for they are chosen by their consent to be their Ministers though not absolutely to the Ministerie it selfe And in case they be not so called it is a maime and defect Parker de polit Eccl l. 1. c. 14. Deducere quidem conantur illi ex majoribus nostris minores quasdam sed absurdas inconsequentes Neque enim si necessaria disciplina sit in verbo Dei tradita idcirco separatio sicubi corrumpatur sacienda sâ—atim est nulla connexionis vi hoc porisina sequitur which should be reformed whether it be through the ignorance of the people or the Lawes of the Kingdome or the pride and covetousnesse of them that thrust themselves into that calling or neglect of Patrons or what else soever But this maime doth not make a nullitie of their calling nor the Word and Sacraments dispensed by them to be ineffectuall For in every Church where the doctrine of salvation is soundly and intirely preached and professed the calling of the Ministerie is for substance true and lawfull The Nonconformists therefore in reproving the abuses of the Ministerie and yet holding communion with the Church of England in the ordinances of worship See Calvin Instit l. 4. c. 1. §. 12 13 14 15 c. doe walke according to their own Principles the doctrine and practice of the Churches of God in all ages and direction of the holy Scritures The Non-conformists reprove the tumults of the people in election without the direction of the Presbyters Whitak de pont Rom. contr 4. qu. 1. c. 2 p. 16. Iâ—a v. admissa est populi multitudo ut vitaretur omnis 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ne ecclesia esset 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ut Act. 19.32 Bilson perpet Gov. Epist to the Read Right Apostolick Bishops were such as were left or sent by the Apostles to be Pastors of the Church and Governors of the Presbyteries in every city that beleeved so long as they ruled well and in their stead as their successors to receive charge of ordaining others for the worke of the Ministerie and guiding the Keyes with the advice and consent of such as laboured with them in the Word and Doctrine Id. ca. 4. Without proofe the Church must not beleeve nor regard thy speech and proofe thou hast none One and the same person cannot be both Accusant and Deponent and in
gods of the people are vanitie or vaine The covetous person is an Idolater and his goods are Idols must therefore these goods bee destroyed and the persons be abhorred Nay the outward Ordinances of God themselves Circumcision Baptisme the Lords Supper may be called Idols things of no value that presit not as separated from the inward grace or thing signified And if wee shall annex your Assumption and now then in the words of the Prophet What have we any more to do with Idols What agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols Will you grant the conclusion or condemne the inference as unlearned foolish perverse not free from grosse abuse of Scripture 3 Our Church and Ministery is not free from spots and staines Iob 3.24 Rom. 2.28 Ier. 9.25.26 Sardis vera Ecclesia est etsi vocem Christi plenè non audiat etsi illius obedientia plena non sit etsi in plenum ficut oportuit ab Ethniasmo non fuerit reformata Apo 3.2 Park de polit Eccl. lib. 1. ca. 13. §. 1. Brightâ— in Apoc 3.2 Ambr. in Luc. lib 6. cap. 9. Tom. 5. Fides igitur in primis Ecclesiae quaerenda mandetur in qua si Christus habita or sit haud dubie legenda Si qua est ecclesia quae fidem respuat defe endaest Ibid Petra tua Châ—istus est fundamentum Ecclesiae fides est St non in petra fueris in Ecclesia cris petrà est Christus Hieron in Symbol tom 4. Ita est Ecclesia sancta quae fidem Christi integramservat Stapleton relect cont â— qu. 4. art 5. Fides verae Ecclesiâ— vita est Bilson Christian subject part 2. p. 365. Where faith faileth the Church faileth and hee that affirmes your doctrine to bee false denies your assemblies and multitudes to be the Church wee freely confesse to the praise of Gods glorious grace and heartily beseech his Highnesse to supply what is wanting to amend what is out of order and to remove what is superfluous But not withstanding any defects or corruptions that can be charged upon us the Church and Ministery is true and sound enjoying whatsoever is essentially necessarie to the life and soule of a true Church and Ministery given by Christ and such as the Kings of the earth are bound by Gods law to protect and maintaine For our Church is built upon Jesus Christ the sole foundation of his Church We acknowledge Christ our only King Priest and Prophet God hath given unto us the Tables of his Covenant and we have received themâ— and his free and gracious Covenant is confirmed by the true and effectuall seales which he hath annexed unto his promise and committed unto his Church as their prerogative Christs Name is truly and only called upon in our Assemblies his Gospell is intirely Preached and savingly received by his people and hee is present with his Ordinances to blesse them to the worthy partakers If any stubble bee laid upon the foundation in respect of the Church or societie it is done ignorantly for ought wee can judge and with a minde teachable and ready to give place when light doth evince it at least it is not in points fundamentall that is such as are so maine that without them there is no salvation or of so cleare consequence from them that who so is truly perswaded of the one cannot but see the other The passages of Scripture annexed are grosly abused and so are the Authors alledged for they speak of reall Idolatry and Idols from which we must fly but cannot so much as colourably be applyed to separation from the worship of God in our congregations because of some abuses which are not reformed But you goe forward and we must follow you CAN. Stay Sec. 3. pag. 18. If it was Israels great sin to carry the oblations under the law to a place howbeit sometimes lawfull and where their godly Ancestors had before truly worshipped because they had no commandement so to doe then certainly more in fault are those which with the worship of the Gospell goe where it was never lawfull publikely to serve God and where their forefathers never to this day rightly served him ANSWER Here youtâ—g what we shall never grant If a mortall enemy may both accuse and judge and proceed upon no better ground than suspition you may quickly condemne any man of heresie Bilson Chri. part 3. pag. 203. nor you be able to prove to wit that our Church is an Idoll Church our Ministery an Idoll Ministery and that our forefathers never rightly served God in our Assemblies which is an easie kind of disputing if you get a reader as credulous and willing to bee mislead as you are peremptorie in passing sentence But if we should believe you herein wee should bely the mercy of God and condemn the generation of his Saints As for the high places of which wee read often in Scripture it was lawfull for the Fathers of old to offer Sacrifices upon them when it was not precisely commanded but only the place for sacrifice undetermined But after that God had chosen deteâ—mined and appropriated a peculiar place for sacrifice where it was to be offered and not else where Alsted praecog lib. 2. pag. 369. Tert de dololat It is no hurt that the same God by his lavv forbad a similitude to be made and by an extraordinary precept coÌ„manded the similitude of the brazen serpent to bee made which may be applyed to this purpose with a little variation Deut. 12.13 14.23 1 Chr. 17.6 2 Chron. 6.6 Psal 78.68 Rivet in Hos 4.13 Colendo verum Deum in collibus est in exceâ—sis contra Dei legem et rium praeseripium Zanch. in Hos 4.13 Laudabile exercitua illud â—sraelitis videbatur tamen est scortari Quare quia sacrilegium eâ— discedere a verbe Domini Verbuma Domini jusserat ut taxtum Harosolymis ritibuâ— a Den irstitutis sinc saâ—â—â— Deum colerenâ— See lun Annot. in 1. Reg. 33. 2 Reg. 22.4 1 King 15.12 14. King 22.43 2 King 12. 〈◊〉 King 25.4 2 King 15.35 Bilson Christ subject part 4. pag. 340. Gods act 〈…〉 no warrant for you to breake his savv By his law hee restraineth you not humselfe from the making of any such similitudes 2 Kings 4.15.19 then it was a great sinne for them without extraordinary dispen ation or commandement to offer in those places where their godly Ancestors had truly worshiped before not because they had no commandement so to do for that may be said of their Ancestors they had no commandement to offer there but because it was expresly forbidden And here you may see how the first part of the sentence doth crosse the later For if godly Ancestors did truly worship God in the high places when they were not commanded then the Israelites did not finne grievously in carrying their oblations thither because it was not commanded What moved you so to write and to alledge Authors as if they affirmed the
the Altar is put for Christ in the Ancients Ignat. ad Magnesian To one Altar to one Lord Iesus Christ Ad Philadel one Altar to all the Church Iren. adv haeres l 4 ca. 34. est Ergo Altare in caelis Euseb Hist lib. 10. cap. 4. and the flesh of the peace-offering But that all Ordinances of the Church done out of a true constituted Church in your sense should be altogether unlawfull or that the Ordinances are tyed to your Church constitution as the Sacrifices were to the Temple that we reade not and how then shall we be perswaded of it Remember your owne request Let the Scripture speake in the points betweene us for without it nothing is to be affirmed and beyond it nothing to be concluded Principally of old the Temple shaddowed Christ in and through whom we must present our service unto God and then the Church of Christians but that the externall constitution of a Congregationall societie is represented thereby in such sort as if it be thus or thus constituted it should be lawfull to joyne with them but if this or that externall rite be lacking it should be unlawfull to joyne in the worship of God is most unprobable In all ages the Lord hath had his Church in which he hath beene worshipped But evermore the faithfull were not to bring their sacrifices to the Tabernacle or Temple And if the Lord had chosen not that place for sacrifice other service pleasing and acceptable might and ought to bee performed in other places Therefore that Sacrifices should prefigure all Ordinances and exercises of the Christian Church Fulke in Matth. 23. Sect. 7. The Lords Altar that was in the Temple was a figure of Christs onely true sacrifice once offered Bishop Babin comfort notes upon Exod. 27. and the Tabernacle and Temple the externall frame and constitution of a Church is an unwritten tradition It is more reasonable a great deale to compare the externall frame of the Iewish Church with the outward order which God hath instituted for the Evangelicall Churches and worship with worship substance of Religion with substance and then it will follow that as the faithfull and religious Iewes might and ought to hold societie in the Ordinances of Religion when many things were amisse in the externall frame and constitution of the Church as the Priests idle covetous prophane the people dissolute impenitent rebellious so the faithfull in the Christian Church must hold Communion in the Ordinances of Grace though in the constitution of the Church the Officers and members much be out of order Doway annot in 3. booke of Kings pag. 7 15. The Doway glosse hath much more probbaility than yours To conserve unity say they there was but one Tabernacle one Altar for sacrifice in the whole people of Israel Wherupon when the two tribes and an halfe on the other side Iordan had made a severall Altar all the Tribes that dwelt in Canaan suspecting it was for Sacrifice sent presently to admonish them Aug. Epist 48 Quis non impudentissemè c. vid page seq Omnis ea distinctio in re Theologica est inanis fictio quae ex Dei mentiri nescis authoritate non accipitur quaeque rem ipsam de qua agitur tollit c. Martin de persona Christ page 632. c. but what end shall we have if every man upon his owne head may devise or Coyne significations of Gods Ordinances What is this but to bring in a new word to set up Sacraments upon our own heads Herein we say to you and them as you to your opposite I require the voyce of the Shepheard Read it mee out of the Prophets Shew it mee out of the Psalmes c. In the interpretation of the Types and Figures of the Law mens judgements if the Scripture goe not before them are of small credit Can. Stay Sect. 3. Pag. 20.21 If that be true in the Philosopher Opposit a sunt simul natura Arist Topic l. b. 6. Bonum est cujus contrarium est malum Rhetor. l. 1. If vvee take a strâ—ct vievv and enquirie of that Ministery Worship and Government vvhich they left at Dan Bethel it will appear evidently that the same was not more salfe idolatrous and unlawful than the present Ministerie worship and Government of the English Assemblies is by the Non-conformists affirmed to be Jeroboams Apolog in his Arrovv against Idolatry CAN Necess of Sep. p. 85.86 87 88. Course of Comfor p. 161.162 Opposite things in nature are alike Againe That is good whose contrary is evill It must needs followes that as some Churches are visibly true in respect of faith and order so others may bee true too having outward order albeit the members thereof have no faith at all The which assertion is not to bee answered but abhorred The tenne Tribes which departed from the Lord from his Temple Sacrifices Priests Altar and other holy signes of his presence at Ierusalem from the time and still after were not Gods Church so the Scriptures shew Hos 2.2 and 2 Chron. 15.3 Ier. 3.8 Amos 9.7 c. And the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Bethel were not in respect of faith and Doctrine more corrupt than the other now is Mr. Amsworth and the Non conformists affirme that the Apostate Iewes could justifia their way and course of Religion as well if not better than the other ANSWER The Philosophicall Maxime to which you have reference is Arist. de Caelo lib. 2. cap. 3. Text. 19. Posito une contrariorum ponitur alterum But as you cite it It is as hard to be found as your translation is to be understood That it is not universall appeareth out of Arist himselfe who putteth down the contrary Maxime as true and certaine Arist Gategor l. c. 11 de contrar Non necessarium est Si contrariorum alterum sit alterum esse Nam si omnes sint sanitas quidem erit morbus non erit So in the first Creation of all things all things were very good and there was nothing evill All things created are finite in act but amongst things created there neither is nor can be a naturall infinite Truth and false-hood good and evill Piety and Idolatry are opposite and that before ever false-hood evill or Idolatry had any being in the world Contraries we know expell one another Or if one be necessary in the subject the other cannot be in it at least in the intense degree as if fire be hot it cannot be cold Now it is necessary that every thing created be finite and good as created and therefore good had a being before evill If it be objected that opposites are relatives and relatives are together in nature the answer is they are relatives secundum dici as they speake not secundum esse which may bee said to be together in nature Not that both are in act existent out of their causes but because the nature of
one being knowne the nature of the other may be knowne whether it be or be not whether it may bee or may not bee Wee know likewise that not only good is opposed to evill but evill to evill as covetousnesse to prodigality and this the Philosopher himselfe confesseth So that these propositions must be rightly limited or they are both false Par. in Rom. 10.15 Legitima Vo atio ecclesiae est quae in quavis Ecclesia publica authoritate or dinis causa ad aedisicationeÌ„ instituta Neque umformis est omnium ubique quead circumst intias exterâ—â—s sed libertati Ecclesiae relacta These Philosophicall Rules are impertinently alledged by you for the externall order or government and intire profession of faith are not opposite they may be separated in part and they may and ought to be joyned together The faith and doctrine strictly taken may be intire when the externall order is pure and holy and the order may be maimed and defective when the doctrine is found in points fundamentall And the doctrine may bee very corrupt and rotten when the externall order is observed according to the rule and therefore a Church may be true in doctrin and profession of faith strictly taken when for matters of order it labours under great defects though in respect of outward order and government it cannot be the true Church when it destroyeth the foundation of the faith For if the faith bee taught intirely Rivet in Hosea 4.6 Etsi ad ordinatienem externam nihil ijs deesset se pro sacerdotibus gererent tameÌ„ illos reijeit Dominus Sic Pontificiorum sacerdotes adhuc retinenâ— aliquam ministerij formam externam c. CAN. Stay Sect. 11 page 115. and the Sacraments rightly administred it cannot be but the ministerie in that Church must bee true for substance what other defects soever it labour under But if the foundation of faith be overthrowne or the ministery whereunto men be set apart be strange and meerely devised there can be no true calling or ministery but false and impure If this distinction of a true Church and Ministery for substance of Doctrine in points fundamentall and externall calling and government be denyed absolutely I shall desire you to unty a Knot or two which your selfe have knit The Scribes and Pharisees were blind guids corrupt Teachers false Prophets in respect of their doctrine covetous ambitious and otherwise prophane in respect of their conversation upon what grounds then were they to bee heard because they were called and ordained of God CAN. Stay Sect. 3 page 60. Ier. 2.11 13. 3.8 9 10 11. Ezek. 16.47 48 49 Mat. 11.21 22 2 Chro. 11.13 14. 1 Reg. 12. Hosea 4.6 9. 5.1 â— Reg. 19.10 18 2 Reg. 17.28 Par. in Rom. 11.2 3 4 Dub. 3. Samaria etiam erat de Iudaeorum sâ—nagoga l. cet corruptissimâ— Apostatica Siquidem Jfraelitae ctiam crant de popu o praecogniâ—o alioqui Elias Elizaeus al iâ— prâ—phetae ibi non docuissent that they should preach the Law o God in the Synagogues to the people and exhort them to the observation thereof Is not here the distinction of true and false Teachers in diverse respects Rebellious Indah justified her sister Samaria in some respects and in some other continued the true Church of God From the time that the tenne Tribes departed from the Lord his Temple Paiests Altar c. it was unlawfull to hold communion with them because they committed Iâ—olatry and willfully left the place which the Lord appropriated for his service and sacrifice but still they retained something of a Church and were not to be esteemed altogether as heathens as the very places quoted doe tâ—stifie That the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Betheâ— when they committed reall Idolatry with the Calves played the Harlot upon every high hill and under every green Tree forsooke wilfully the place which God had appointed for sacrifice and offered sacrifices in places forbidden rejected the Lords Priests and made of the basest of the people-Priests for that service which the Lord abhorred that they were not more corrupt in Doctrine and worship than the Church of England by the confession of Non conformists is an assertion beyond all credit I may fitly put you in mind what Origen saith of Celsus his workes CAN. Stay Sect. 5 page 39. which you apply to your adversary There is no danger least any faithfull man should bee subverted by your sayings for you talke but reason not yea in your talke you keep no compasse but all men may feele how grossely you mistake Master Ainsworths Arrow against Idolatry I have not seene nor know not how to come by it But if you will bring forth his or your owne darts in this kinde they shall bee tryed and examined by the Word of God You are not afraid not ashamed to write that the Non-conformists affirme the worship of our English Assemblies to be as false and idolatrous as the worship of the Israelites at Dan and Bethel But for proofe you bring the bare testimony of one alone and him no English Non-conformist And if his testimony had been truly alledged can you with truth and honesty charge that upon all which you know is disclaimed by many spoken only by one and he no member of the English societies But that one shamefully abused likewise for when he saith the Idolatry of these times doth equall if not exceed that of Ieroboam he intends the Idolatry of the Romish Synagogues but accuseth not the English Congregations as if they stood guilty of that sin or the like degree For he acknowledgeth the Church of England to be a glorious reformed Church though in some things not throughly reformed as she ought Course of confor page 142. Wherefore saith he for conforming to a glorious Church but in that wherein shee was never raformed And what wonder if all the reformed Churches crept not forth of the Romish deluge equally accomplished Course of confor page 183 What greater wonder than that any should be found free of the smell of that Wine of Fornication whereof they all for so many yeeres were drunke Your pen runneth over almost every where with pernitious I dolatry Aug. Ep. 48. Quis non impudentissine nitatur alie uid in allegoria positum prose interpretari nisi haheat manifesta testimonia quâ—â— lumne 〈…〉 obscura blasphemy and such like out-cries and for colour of what you say pretend the names of men who indeed and truth from their hearts detest your rashnesse and inconsideratnes Whereas if you would be perswaded to talke lesse and reason more and give milder words and bring stronger arguments and deale sincerely in the testimonies which you use you should ease your reader and spare your Conscience SECTION 5. Can. Stay Sect. 5. Pag 37.38 THe Word preached by false Ministers is not that word unto which God hath promised a blessing of encrease Or it is not
the ordinary way and meanes Id. Sect. 15. p. 132. which the Scripture speakes of to beget men to the faith For as a false forged constitution makes a Church a reall and substantiall Idoll So all that comes from it is touched with the Idolatry of that constitution This is a ruled opinion of many Divines The State makes all the publike actions to be formally good or evill For as the Temple sanctifieth the gold Matth. 23.17 the Altar the offerings so the Ordinances of the Church under the Gospell are sanctified unto us Bucer in Mat. 23.17 That is as Bucer truely speaketh in the use of them made lawfull to us in that they have their rise from a true and right power Seeing therefore the Church in Question wants a right Constitution it must follow that all spirituall actions done in it whether Prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures as they are there done are none of Gods Ordinances though true it is in themselves they are of God If the false Churches of whom we disputed CAN. Stay Sect. 15. p. 131.132 Id. Sect. 2. p. 8. be that spirituall Babylon mentioned in the Revelation cap. 18.4 then it is unlawfull for Gods people to goe unto them to performe any spirituall or religious action and so consequently not to heare theâ—e But the first is true Ergo the later is true also The proposition needs no proofe because our opposites and we herein are of opinion alike The assumption is manifest by these reasons Artopaeus in Rev. 18. pag. 198. Flac. Illyric in Rev. 18.4 Par. com in Hos 4. pag. 506. Bulling in Apoc. ca. 18. con 76. 1. The words in the Text prove it plainely Come out of her my people that is remove your selves from all false assemblies covenant together to walk in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come But repent rather that yee have suffered your Consciences to bee wrought upon by any unlawfull Officers And thus doe the Learned interpret the place namely of such a coming out as that we may not be bodily present at any of their worship 2 Cor. 6.1 Ioh. 5.21 Zech. 11.17 Botlac prompt allegoriar cap. 21. de Minist It is like that filthy bird which carryeth this Motto Contactu omnia saedat The publisher and others with him have comitted appatant Idolatry maintained it in the Church and sought thereby to pervert the right wayes of the Lord. Jd. sect 1. p. 7. Id sect 15. p. 133. A false Church state is rightly likened to the leprosie spread in the wals of the houses of the Lepers because of the pollution which it causeth to the persons and things Take for instance a Citie or Towne if the civill State or Corporation which they have be usurped aevised or derived from a false power all their publike administrations are unlawfull and every one partaking thereof offendeth So all administrations done in a false Church whether prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures are uncleane actions and doe defile every receiver J say because of the Idoll State which is devised out of a mans braine and used as a meanes to serve God in it and by it All the Ordinances done after the invention and will of Antichrist can no otherwise be judged than a brood common to the nature of the breeders that is the Devill and the Whore of Rome the Father and Mother that did beget them ANSWER THe Faithfull are commanded to come out of spirituall Babylon and not to communicate with her in false worship or Idolatry Revel 18.4 as the Text doth confirme and your opposites grant And therein it was needlesse to muster up the testimonies of the Learned to give evidence in a case maintained and practised notoriously sc that we must flye from the society of Rome and not be present to behold their worship Your labour herein is superfluous but that the Names of Learned men here numbred up might serve to cover your nakednesse when you come to the point in controversie wherein you prove just nothing at all But our Churches wherein the Gospell of Christ is purely preached and professed in all points fundamentall the seales of the Covenant of Grace rightly administred who are separaced from spirituall Babylon in mind and body and have fled from her worship and Idolatry who are built upon Christ the true and firme foundation of his Church and by Christ himselfe acknowledged for his people and graced with his favourable presence Our Churches I say cannot be deemed or reputed spirituall Babylon without great injurie to Christ his truth his Church and Saints By spirituall Babylon in this booke of the Revelation is meant Rome Christian departed from the faith guilty of the blood of Saints stained with manyfold and fearfull Idolatries the mother of fornications who hath made drunke the Kings of the earth with the cup of her poysons as might bee confirmed by the Scripture it self the joynt consent of learned orthodox Divines and the testimonie of Papists themselves But to brand the Churches of Christ since the reformation who have renounced Antichrists doctrine worship and idolatries and embraced the intire faith of the Lord Jesus with that odious hatefull name is contrary to the truth of God evident reason and the judgement of all approved godly learned men You miserably corrupt and pervert the Text when you give this to be the sense thereof Remove your selves from all false Assemblies covenant together to walke in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come This is not to interpret Scripture and learne of them what wee are to thinke but to racke Scriptures to our sense and make them speake according to our fansies which is an high point of Antichristianisme If you will stand to your principles within two hundred yeares after Christ or lesse there was not one true Christian societie in the whole world which did walke together in all the wayes of God and serve God in a Church state among themselves And will you say the faithfull are charged of God in this passage of holy writ to remove and separate from all Christian assemblies that then were in the world and to serve God among themselves If corruption in doctrine manners worship government and orders make a false assembly Rome was a false assembly long before the Lord gave commandement to his people to depart thence and separate themselves Israel for a time continued in Egypt and Babylon viz. untill the Lord sent to bring them forth and the Church lay hid in Babylon and that by the providence and approbation of God long after Rome was miserably corrupted and defiled The matter is notorious and therefore to spend more words about it is needlesse Hee that considereth the state of things long before the faithfull separated from Rome and what is written in defence of that separation which
If the Church of Rome were not a Church in some respects but a meere Idoll the Pope could not be that Antichrist a principall rebell a notorious traitor against Christ If we speak absolutely or compare Rome with Churches truly Christian it is no true Church but the Synagogue of Satan But if we speake of it in opposition to the Jewes of Turkes or other professed Infidels it hath so much of a visible Church as a man cannot say it is no Church at all so much true doctrine is in it as sufficeth to support the title of Antichrist and some ordinances are so administred as that it cannot be said they are meer nullities In the true Church many wicked ones are found that are no lesse prophane sacrilegious enemies to peace the vassals of Satan possessed by the Divell dead in sin and accursed of God than heretiks or schismatiks who yet for that they have that order office or degree of ministerie which is holy doe no lesse nor with lesse effect administer the holy sacraments than those who are the samplars of all pietie and vertue The faithfull and holy Ministers administer and receive the Sacraments with good profit and benefit to themselves and others The hypocriticall with benefit to others not to themselves The prophane being not put from their places doe officiate with hurt to themselves scandall to others but to the everlasting comfort of them that partake worthily The hereticall and idolatrous administer the Sacraments that are holy and in their owne nature the meanes pledges and assurances of salvation but without benefit to themselves and others that continue in sin Thus the Prophets Apostles Martyrs and faithfull have held communion in the Ordinances of grace with such whose calling and conversation was not approved of God You say the Martyrs first and last would not receive this distinction lest to save their lives they should lose their soules and you reckon up many who as you write would rather give their bodies to the fire than heare or receive the Sacrament in false Churches or Societies But in this you lavish as in every thing else and hide the truth under the ambiguitie of the phrase The Martyrs laid downe their lives rather than they would defile themselves with idolatry bee present at the Masse or joyne themselves as members of that Antichristian Synagogue in all which they did as becommeth the faithfull servants of Jesus Christ But you cannot produce one Martyr of your opinion who denyed that any thing of God was to be found in those Assemblies or that refused to joyne in the pure ordinances of God with Societies separated from spirituall Babylon because of some defect or may me in their Church constitution In the whole Catalogue of Martyrs try if you can bring forth one who in these things was of your minde And what a vaine thing is it to pretend the example of all the Martyrs when there is not one among them that doth approve your cause If the example of the Martyrs be of any weight with you as here you beare the Reader in hand CAN Neces of separation p. 190 191 192. of necessitie you must condemne your rash and presumptuous censuring your unadvised sinfull separation from the worship and ministerie in our Church as Antichristian and Idolatrous For certaine it is the Martyrs stood members of our Societies and dyed in the defence of that doctrine and worship which we professe and practise Many words you spend in answer to this reason and reproaches you cast upon your adversarie but one word is not to be found that makes directly to take away the force of the Argument It was the answer of Frederick Duke of Saxonie who being prisoner to Charles the fifth and promised releasement if hee would goe to the Masse Summum in terris Dominum agnosco Caesarem in coclis Christum The like did the Prince of Condee but neither of them did refuse to joyne with the reformed Churches because they deemed their Church constitution defective or erroneous in this or that particular To pretend the consent of popish and protestant Divines in this matter is egregious ignorance or impudency for it is well knowne they are all generally of another minde Your instance from a City or Towne Similitudes bee no syllogismes Earthly similitudes of your making may not controll the heavenly precepts of Gods owne giving Bilson Christ part 4. pag. 322. Have you no surer ground of your catholike doctrine for adoring Images than a single similitude taken from the civill and externall reverence that is yeelded to Princes seates and seales Id p. 329. if the Civill power be usurped is not to the purpose nor true in all respects Not to the purpose because what is of God in these Societies is not done by power meerely usurped but by power and vertue from God though in the ministration that which is evill be not approved of God for wheresoever any supernaturall truth of Christian Religion is taught and any ordinances of grace dispensed truly for substance there is some truth of ministery though many wayes polluted And where the intire faith is professed and received and the ordinances of grace administred truly there is a true ministery for substance ordained of God what other defects or maimes soever it may labour under Not true because in the Civill estate That which is done by power usurped and unlawfull in some cases is a nullitie but in other some it is available and stands in force For it is a rule in the Civill law That it is one thing to be a true Magistrate another to bee in the Magistracy or to execute the Magistrates office From which distinction is gathered this generall ruled case or sentence That the acts of him that was a false or unlawfull Magistrate may be lawfull and just And the same may bee said and was ever held in the Church of God of corrupt and ungodly Ministers though they bee not true Ministers that is approved fit and rightly qualified yet so long as they be in the place of Ministers the acts of their ministery be good that is effectuall and of force if they observe the forme of administration prescribed by Christ CAN Stay Sect. 15. pag 133. The Lord hath not promised to them his blessing and acceptance what the Lord may accept or will we dispute not only this I say whosoever heareth in a false Church cannot by any promise that he hath in the word of God expect Gods blessing on that which he doth the reason is because a true constitution of a true Church that is where men are gathered according to the Gospell of Christ is that only lawfull religious societie or communion of Saints wherein God will be honoured whereby hee will bee served and whereto hee hath promised his presence and acceptance so then howsoever we are not bound unto hearing in a true Church necessitate medii as if Gods grace were tyed to the meanes this way
yet as they say in Schooles necessitate praecepti if we consider Gods commandement CAN Stay §. 3. pag. 59. so we are bound to Church hearing only in a true Church and in no other Church can we expect Gods presence promise and acceptance Such Churches unto whom God hath made no promise in his word to blesse the things there done ought not by Gods people to be resorted to but God in his word hath made no promise to blesse the things done in a false church therefore Gods people are not to goe unto false churches The proposition cannot be excepted against for 1. The Scriptures prove it clearly Jer. 23.21 22. Exodus 20 24. Psalme 134.3 and 147.13 Again there is no dutie charged upon us but there is a blessing promised unto the due performance of it The assumption is as cleare and thus wee prove it If false churches have not the promise of Gods presence they cannot from the word of God expect his blessing upon what they doe but the first is true Ergo the second The Major which is only controversall we prove thus If every false church be an Idoll Exod. 20.4 5. And God require his people to come out thence Rev. 18.4 threatned to destroy it Rev. 20.8 9. and will doe it and promise his presence unto his true church Mat. 18.20 Then he is not present in the false But the first is true therefore the second ANSWER You struggle hard as all men may perceive but set not one foot forward Our Church is an idoll therefore wee must not hold communion with it God hath promised no blessing to his ordinances therein because the Church is an Idoll This is your circle wherein you walke up and down But to helpe you out of this mire if it may be 1. Rom. 3.2 Can 1.6 Rain de idolola l. 2. c. 1. p. 2. Where you take it for granted that our Church is false and therfore Christ is not present with us we on the contrary are assured that we are a people in covenant with Christ to whom hee hath committed his heavenly oracles and seales of the covenant amongst whom he feedeth his flock in greene pastures and causeth them to lye downe by the still waters with whom he is present when they meet together Mat. 18.20 Exod. â—0 24 Psal 134.3 Ioh. 10.4.5 He hath set up his tabernacle amongst us and dwelleth with us and watcheth over us and worketh by his Ministers not only to call men unto salvation but to nourish and build them forward unto life everlasting We are separated from Idols wee heare the voice of the true shepheard and follow not strangers but fly from them we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and worship him sincerely according to his will He standeth at the doore knocking and to such as open unto him hee commeth unto them and they sup with him and he with them And therefore Christ is our Shepheard our King our Saviour and of his rich grace and love doth embrace us as his people and the flock of his pasture beareth our prayers and accepteth our service This is our glory that Christ is ours and we are his and it were better for us to dye than that our glorying herein should be made void Secondly seeing this tearme False Church is so familiar with you we will consider what it meaneth and how farre it doth stand true that God hath made no promise to blesse things done in a false Church These words True and false Church are used oft to signifie as much as pure and corrupt found and languishing Church And as there is scarce a Church so pure which hath not some impuritie nor so true which hath not some falshood admixed so there is no Church so false or impure which hath not somewhat of God or some supernaturall Christian truth within it For if no supernaturall Christian truth bee received or professed there is no Church Infidels being cleane without the Church deny and utterly reject the principles of Christianitie Heretikes or false Christians in respect of generall truths which they openly professe are Christians or of the Church but in respect of their particular errours condemned of all men that be of sound beliefe A Church is not to be esteemed false for some corruptions nor impure for some disorders no more than we account him a sickly man who now and then findes some wearinesse or distemper Neither is a Church to be accounted true because of some truths which they professe Act. 2.41 42 46 worship which they practise or use of the Sacraments which they retaine The notes of a pure Church are intire profession of the Gospell and saving truth of God the right use of the Sacraments holinesse of conversation the sound preaching of the word of life fervent and pure calling upon Gods name subjection to their spirituall guides whereby they may bee directed and built forward in the wayes of life mutuall communion in the ordinances of worship Eph. 4.11 12. and Christian fellowship with all Saints and true visible Churches of Jesus Christ Those Churches to which all these notes agree truelie are to bee esteemed pure in their measure but those to whom all doe not agree or not so truely they are to be esteemed lesse pure or true and that in comparison more or lesse according as more or fewer of these notes common speciall or proper shall be found more or lesse pure amongst them Where all these notes are to be found purely the Church is excellent for degree pure and famous where any of these is wanting or impure the Church is so much defective or impure though it may be pure in comparison of others The profession of the true faith Acts 14.22.23 27 and the framing of our life and conversation according to the direction of the word with the right administration of the Sacraments and comely order Ier. 4.22 Mat. 13.14 15. Isa 30.9 10 11. 5.7 8 9 c. are signes of a Church in a good state and condition But it may fall out that the profession of faith alone by publike preaching and hearing of the word administration of the Sacraments prayers and thanksgiving doth take place when good order is neglected and if life degenerate from the profession for in this case she ceaseth not to be the true CHVRCH of Christ so long as it pleaseth him not to give her a Bill of divorce True doctrine in all points and the due and right administration of the Sacraments in all things according to the word both for substance and circumstance is the note of a pure Church and in good plight But true Doctrine in the maine grounds and Articles of faith though mixt with defects and errours in other matters not concerning the life and soule of Religion and the right administration of the Sacraments for substance though in the manner of dispensation some things be not so well ordered as they might and ought
are notes and markes of a true and sound Church though somewhat crased in health and soundnesse by errors in doctrine corruptions in the worship of God and evils in life and manners A false Church is that which holds neither the truth of faith intirely nor the integrity of divine worship nor comely order which God hath appointed for the government of his house nor holinesse of conversation But addeth to the Articles of faith to that which is worshipped and to the substantiall means wherby God is worshipped and to the holy Commandements which God hath given for the direction of his people or detracteth and perverteth the right sense of faith not considering that which is worshipped as is meete mangling the Ordinances of God and transforming the lawfull manner of worship into another forme and inverteth the holy Commandement by corrupt glosses and sinister interpretations which destroyeth the life and power of godlinesse One false Church may bee more corrupt and rotten than another as being more deepely tainted in matters of higher importance and more generally than another as some may bee corrupt in matters of faith others in doctrine and worship both Ier. 2.11 13. 2 Reg. 16.3 1 Reg. 18.21 Ezek. 16.20 and some in all the particulars mentioned Thus Israel worshipped God and the Calves yea the Lord and Baal And as one false Church may be more corrupt than another Hen. Ains 2. part page 62. Did not the Priests rulers and people condemne the Prophets of God sent in all ages and vvas not Ierusalem the holy City seate of the Priest-hood guilty of their bloud Luke 13.33 34. vvas not vile and grosse Idolatry practised often in Judah and Jerusalem by the Priests and Princes Ezek. 23.11 Did not Iuda forsake the Lord and turne their faces from his Tabernacle shut the doores of his house quench his Lamps and neither burn Incense nor offer burnt offering in the Sanctuary unto the God of Jsrael 2 Chro. 29.6 7. Vriah the Priest made an Altar Idolatrous like that in Damascus and polluted Gods Worship in the Temple 2 Reg. 16.10 11 12 16. Pashur the sonne of Immer the Priest being Governour in the House of the Lord persecuted Ieremie for preaching the truth Jer. 20.1 2. and himselfe prophesied lyes ve 6. See Ier. 32.31 32 33 34 35 36. Mic. 3.11 Mal. 2.8 9. or at one time than another so one false Church may have more of God in it than another and at another time For the lesse grievous the errors are which the false Church holdeth or the lesse abominable the idolatry which it maintaineth the more divine truth it embraceth the more effectuall is that worship of God which it retaineth The true Church of God which is comparatively pure may be called false though improperly in respect of that corruption in doctrine and manners errours schismes divisions superstition or prophanenes which through humane frailty and negligence cleaveth unto it And a false Church may comparatively be called a Church true or pure in respect of them that be more grossely defiled as it hath more truth and purity in it Also the true Churches of God have sometimes bin distinct visible societies from the false Churches and by many degrees in themselves more pure from tincture and infection than at other times and some others have beene As in the dayes of Abiah Iudah was by many degrees more free from pollution than afterwards In Pauls time the integrity of Rome was famous Corinth many wayes reproved They of Galatia much more out of square But the true and Orthodox Church hath sometimes beene so mixed with others in outward society that it hath beene hard to find in the whole world a distinct Congregation of sound and intire professors of all supernaturall truths who joyned in the use of Gods Holy Ordinances but the members of the true visible Church were dispersed and scattered and mingled with false Christians or false worshippers in society and the true Church lay hid in the false Now to apply these things 1. If by a false Church you understand a Church erring in points of faith exceeding dangerous and corrupting the pure worship of God with reall Idolatry with whom the faithfull may not lawfully hold Communion yet then that which they have of God amongst them though not rightly administred is effectuall by the blessing of GOD according to promise As Baptisme administred by the Heretikes holding the forme of Baptisme and of Popish Priests is true Baptisme and not to be reiterated For one and the same society may in one sense have somewhat of the true Church and in another bee the Synagogue of Satan and their Ministers exercise the Ministery and service of Christ when they themselves bee the bond-slaves of Satan It is true God threatens to destroy such societies and is highly displeased with the service that is done there as such because it is not done as it ought but as he is pleased to continue his Ordinance so he is pleased to give it force and validity according to his institution And it is not strange that God should bee displeased with a thing not done according to his institution when the institution it selfe hee doth approve and blesse to some according to his free covenant 2. If by a false Church you understand a Church maimed and corrupt with errors in doctrin and manners neglect of discipline disorders in Ministers and people then as occasion may bee offered Christ hath bound the faithfull to bee present at his ordinances in such Assemblies and promised to blesse them that draw nigh unto him therein In the Church of Corinth there were Divisions Sects Emulations 1 Cor. 3.3 1 Cor. 6.1 2. 2 Cor. 10.10 1 Cor. 15.12 1 Cor. 5.1 1 Cor. 11.19 20. contentions and quarrels going to Law one with another for every trifle and that under Infidels Pauls name and credit was despitefully called into question there the resurrection of the dead was denyed by some that wickednesse was there wincked at which was not heard of among the heathen the Lords Supper was horribly profaned things indifferent used with offence 2 Cor. 12.20 21. Ambr. in 1 Cor. 11 They stood striving for their oblations Hier. in 1 Cor. 11. In Ecclesia convenientes oblationes suas separatius offerebant Apoc. 2.4 5 6. Apoc. 3.20 21. Fornication not repented of and idolatry practised in eating meats sacrificed to Idols in the Idoll Temple And all this notwithstanding the assemblies were kept the faithfull frequented the Ordinances and God did blesse them according to promise Ephesus was extreamly decayed in her first love and though threatned to have her candlesticke removed unlesse she repent Christ doth never lay his charge upon the faithful to depart from his Ordinances Of Laodicea it is said that she was neither hot nor cold and then we may easily conceive she was overgrown with corruptions the proper fruits of negligence security selfe conceitednesse c. For which unlesse she
said of Paul that he taught Apostasie from the Law the meaning is not that he had revolted to the Gentiles or denyed the Messias or the Law or the Prophets but that under pretence of the Messias he had polluted the purity of the doctrine of the Law and the Prophets This Apostasie then was small in beginning encreased in time Acts 21.21 Non statim desilitur a bonis initiis ad malum finem sed per gradus pedetentim descenditur P. Ramus Epist. ad Carolum Lotharing an 1570. De quindecim a Christo seculis primum vereesse aureum reliqua quò longius abscederent esse nequiora atque deteriora Vsser de siccess ca. 1. S. 8. Jam inde a principio Mysterium iniquitatis peragi caeperit ut mirandum non sit si seculie subsequentibus nonnulla dectrinae pontificiae zizania sensim sine sensu succreverint a veteribus illis aliud praesertim agentibus minus animadversa Euseb Hist l. 3. cap. 32. lib. 4. cap. 22. Edit Graec. Niceph. Hist l. 4. ca. 1. Neque corum qui praecesserunt virtutem assecutos neque ita simplicers ut magistri eorum orationem consecutos esse and grew greater and greater not perceived at first not opposed by godly men it possessed the successors of holy Teachers themselves This corruption of the faith was so brought in by degrees that the most vigilant could scarce discerne it when it was first sowed The successors of Godly men received it and the godly themselves for a great while groaned under it for it was a clandestine Conspiracy and opposition of the faith not directly but obliquely not in expresse tearmes but by consequences So that of the first fifteene ages of the Church of the New Testament that cannot be denyed which Carolus Lotharingus the Cardinall uttered in Porsiacâ responsione That the first was golden but the rest the further they departed the worse and more corrupt they were Whiles the Apostles lived the Church remained a Virgin pure and uncorrupt but within the three first ages from the rising of the Gospell her health was crased by errors in doctrine superstitious abuses crept into the worship of God breach of comely order in Government and offences in life whereof we finde the Pastors to make large complaint It cannot be denyed but that they that succeeded the Apostles did excell in Piety and Godlinesse but withall it is most certaine they did neither attaine the vertue of them that went before them nor teach so purely and truely as their masters and instructors as Nicephorus observeth And what is said of Honâ—er in another matter is not unfitly applyed to this purpose few Children are like to their Parents The liberty of mans will and dignity of workes was too much advanced Many thought the soules of the just should not see God untill the day of judgement The Sacrament of the Supper was ministred to infants which abuse is reformed by the Church of Rome her selfe They dipped the Sacramentall bread into the Wine sometimes and so administred them together Clem. Alex. strom lib. 1. T. C. repl 1 pag. 74. Maldonat in Io. 6 Cypr. de laps Iustin. Mart. apolog 2. Gyp lib. 2. ep 3 ad Caecilium or ep 63. epist 48. Hieron in Mar. cap. 14. Polydor. de inveator rer lab 5. cap. 91. Iust Mart. qu. 155. Basil de Spir. Sanct. Of the controversie about the Feast Easter See Eusch lib. 5. cap. 23. Sozom. l. l. 7. cap. 15. Socrat. l. 5. cap. 22. Altars brought into the Church by Sixtus the second about 265.86 Sewide Apol. art 3. div 26. Tho. Beacon 3. vol. Sup. print Lond. 1562. Which others thinke came into the Church about the yeare 590. They carryed it home with them and laid it up in Chests to be received privately Wine was mixed with water in the administration of the Sacrament of the Supper Deacons preached Women Baptized Baptisme was stained with superstitious rites and Ceremonies in daily use many rites and Customes practised which had no ground in the Word of God and sundry things observed as Apostolicall which were directly contrary to the Apostles Doctrine or example Within two hundred yeares after Christ there was crept into the Church many idle Ceremonies and the simplicity of Christs Ordinances refused Each man as he had either credit or authority presumed of himselfe to adde somewhat to Christs institution and the flesh delighting in her own devices Tertul. de Coron Milit. delivered the same with a strait charge as if Christ Himselfe had taken order for it In Tertullians time we may find many strange inventions taken up in Baptisme Three dippings in the Water Tasting Milke and Hony Abstaining from all other washing for a seven night after Cyp ep 72. ad Bonifacium Cyp ep 34 Cyp. de laps S. 4. Euseb Hist l. 8. c. 1 In Cyprians time there was consecration of water and such estimation of oyle that no man was thought to bee a Christian that was baptised without it of the memorials of Martyrs and what blemishes appeared in the conversation of Christians who list may read in Cyprian and others Sabel Enead 7. l. 4. Nuda fuit abinitio anmis ceremoniarum ratio plus pietatis babens quam apparatus Osiand Hist Eccles cent 3. l. 3. cap. 11 Paulatim cerem niae auctae sunt hominum superstitiosorum â—pinionibuaâ— In the three ages following though the doctrine of salvation and substance of Gods Worship was maintained in all fundamentall points and the Omnipotency of the Pope was not knowne nor Images worshipped the Scripture was read and Prayers made in a knowne tongue the Sacrament of the Supper was administred to the People in both kindes men women and Children had free liberty to read the holy Scriptures the Sacrament was not adored nor the doctrin of Transubstantiation heard of Neverthelesse manifest seeds of Antichristianisme were sowed and began to appeare in some strength The state of the Church was lamentable the corruptions many and great both in respect of doctrine worship government and holinesse of conversation Magdeburg cent 4. cap. 6. col 440. Subiâ—de magis magisque traditiones humanae cumulatae sunt Per. in Rom. sec 106. Aug. Enchiridâ—aâ— 110. Chrys tom 4. ad pop 66. in 1 Cor. 16. hom 43. Cham. panstâ—â— tom 2 lib. 20. c. 5. sec 19. Whitak de Pontif. Rom Praef. ad auditores sec 5. Brâ—ghtm a poc c. 4. 7. 12 6 13 15. Socrat. hist. 7. c. 11. About the year 430 the Romane and Alexandrian Bishops left the sacred function degenerated into secular rule Euscb de vila Constant l. 4. c. 40 43. Socrat. l. 1. c. 8 22 l. 4. c. 18. Arnob. advers Gent. l. 8. Origen cont Cetâ—â— l. 7. Conc. Elib c. 36. Calfeh against Mart. Pref. to the reader Chamier paâ—str t. 2 l. â—6 c. 7 sic 6. Bils Christ. part 14. pag 351 c. Gregor l 7. cp 5 3 ad Secund.
in l. 9. cp 9. Aug. epi. 118 119 See Caranz sum Concil fol. 43. Iustin Martyr Tortullian Clomens Romanus Eactantius and others vvere of opinion that no particular judgement passed upon the Saints untill the laft day Sixt. Sen. Biblioth l. 6. an 345. The Pastors of this age spake more unwarily of justification and grace than was meet prayer for the dead was ordinarie the foundation of prayer unto Saints was laid and defended by the teachers themselves with overgreat zeale in the superstitious vigils and frequenting the Sepulchers of Martyrs The former prophanation of the Sacraments by superstitious rites much increased some whereof are abolished by the papists themselves Libertie is taken from the Ministers the Bishops contend among themselves with ambition hatred affecting high titles and precedencie more than the good of Gods Church the pleasure of peace and securitie tooke away all care of godlinesse Now they seeke the reliques of Saints goe on pilgrimage to Ierusalem consecrate Temples to Martyrs esteeme it more religion to build certaine places and to pray in them than in others and to live by prescriptions and will-worship of Monkes c. than to walke according to the rule of Gods Word Now they give themselves to corrupt religion with idle and impure rites Images that were not mentioned in the first and second ages of the Church in the fourth fifth and sixt age were brought into the Church in some parts painted upon the walles retained for Historicall and Rhetoricall use to informe the understanding and stirre up devotion and of some began to be worshiped which Gregory himselfe disliked Monkes kept the communion at home and wanting a priest communicate themselves No publike assemblies could be found in which the ordinances of God did flourish intirely Augustine complained of the multitude of rites and ceremonies which were in his time wherewith the Church was grievously burdened but in the ages following was much more intolerable Of the particular slips and errours of the ancients it is needlesse to say more Here I would demand was this Church all this while thus corrupted the true church of Christ or a fals was the true worship of God performed in these assemblies the true worship or was it pernicious Idolatry If a true Church then a societie T. C. repl 1. pag. 73 wherein corruption of Doctrine and of the Sacraments hurtfull Ceremonies dominion and pomp of the clergie new orders and functions of the Ministerie is to be found may be the true Church of God And what then can you object against the Church of England to prove it a false Church If a false Church Fulk ansvver to the Rhem. in Eph 4.13 all the true Bishops of the primitive Church for six hundred yeares and more after Christ in all necessary points of doctrine agree vvith us and therefore vvere ancestors of our Church In the later times also for every age vvee can name divers pastours and teachers even in the most darke times c. Calfeh against Mar. preface to the reader Greg. epist. l. 7 indict 2 c. 109. Concil Nicen. a but that Councel vvas not generally received Sigth in an 755. Reger Howden continuat Beda anno 792. Feild of the chuteh l. 3 cap. 8. See Calfehil against Mart. art 3. p. 58 69 c. Bilson Christian subject part 4 page 316 317. This vvas about the yeare of our Lord 1160. See Vsser de suceess Eccles History of the Waldenses Daltha Lydia hist Chaloner credo Eccles part 2 sect 2. then either the faithfull were bound to avoide all societie and fellowship with it in the ordinances which a sober minded man will not affirme or all communicating with a false Church in the ordinances of God is not pernicious idolatry The faithfull which lay hid in this corrupted state of the Church and did partake in the ordinances of worship were never held and reputed Idolaters In the ages following the mystery of iniquitie did grow amaine for the worship of Images first began and after was concluded the Pope obtained to bee called head of the universall Church Saints were invocated as Mediators the Communion was mangled and delivered in one kind the merit and dignitie of workes advanced to the prejudice of Gods grace the doctrine of reall presence and orall eating of Christs flesh in the Sacramant by good and bad and the adoration of the Eucharist was taught and received These grosse corruptions prevailed for a time in the Church before they were concluded upon in Synods or Councels opposed by some condemned by others and manfully withstood especially the worshipping of Images During which time the faithfull who condemned these abominations did lie hid in the Church keeping themselves undefiled from these errours but separated not themselves from the ordinances of grace nor gathered themselves into a distinct body After these abominations were concluded the first that separated themselves were the Waldenses Albigenses or poore men of Lyons who withdrew themselves from the societie of the Romane Synagogue and worshiped God in distinct companies according to his will These are reported to be men of sound life and god linesse by the testimonie of very enemies themselves notwithstanding they were most shamefully traduced and grievously persecuted for Christs sake But after this separation made by them If sheepe in a pasture vvhere venemous hearbs are mixed with vvholsome can by the instinct of nature make choise of that vvhich is proper for them and abstaine from the contrary vvhat marvaile is it if the flocke of Christ vvho know the voice of the true Shepheard from the voice of strangers should by the guidance of Gods assisting spirit doe the same Chaloncredo Cameron dc Eccles ca. de schism See Field of the church l. 3 〈◊〉 6 8. Carleton descript ca. 1 p. 8. divers other godly men did patiently endure the tyranny of Antichrist and groaned under that heavie yoake bewailing the misery and reproving the sinnes of the time sought to reclaime others and labour to keepe their owne selves free but did not actually separate from the societie And this as the learned judge was done if not by Gods commandement at least by gracious indulgence Vntill the time of the Trent Councell saith one the Church although oppugned with errours and deceits of divers kinds oppressed with tyranny did not patiently endure the tyranny of the Pope and the impudency of the Fraterculi And though oftentimes before they had thought of separation yet they could never effect it untill that was fulfilled which the Scripture had foretold It is here to be further noted that neither the Waldenses who first separated nor the reformed Churches which in after times cast off the yoke of Antichrist and abolished his Idolatry did make such a pure and perfect reformation in all things as was to be desired And therefore if they be measured by your meat-wand they must all lye under the censure of false and idolatrous Churches who worship God with a false
and Idolatrous worship or else you must confesse your great words of false Church and false constitution to bear no weight or to be a meere slander If you will tel us distinctly what you mean by false Churches you shall see your whole building to fall of it self For if you understand therby every Church that labours under some disorder or corruption in gathering and constitution doctrine or discipline it is apparently false If you mean that the better part may not oft ly hid under the worser the true Church in the corrupt which may joyne in the use of Gods holy worship by his approbation and with promise of blessing then the proposition is crosse to the maine current of Scripture If by a false Church you understand that whose doctrine and worship is corrupt in the very maine grounds and essentials of faith and worship necessary to salvation your assumption hath no truth in it May you therefore be pleased here to take notice of that which you observe CAN Stay ag §. 4. p. 33 34. as a cleare difference betweene truth and falshood betweene Christs iustitutions and mens inventions Whatsoever God will have us to doe or not to doe hee layes downe the same openly Prov. 8.7 1 Timothy 4.1 precisely manifestly All the words of his mouth are plaine to him that understandeth The Spirit speaketh expresly c. that the truth is simple and plaine Ethnicks by the light of nature could sufficiently see into such things one of them touching this matter saith thus The truth is simple and plaine and needs not varietie of windlaces Another of them hath these words That phrase or form of speaking hath truth in it Cyp. Epist. ad Pomcont Epist Stepha It commeth of too much presumption and frowardnesse that a man had rather defend his owne though it be false and nought than yeeld to anothers deeds and words Resist not truth to maintain your credit God will surely revenge it Bilson differing part 1 page 69. Contigit saepe ut idem pastor sit vero pastor non sit vere postor secundum vocationeÌ„ ligitimam non vere pastor scundum administrationem operationemque ipsius Hieron ad Heliodor Non omnes Episcopi sunt episcopi attende Petrum sed Iudam considera Grat. 2. q. 7. c. Non omnes Ecclesia aliquandt visibiiis est non tantum cum defectibus multis in doctrina disciplina sacramentis administrandi ratione sed etiam cum variis impuris misturis ita ut Ecclesia sit visibilis cum tamen ecclesia ralis quaew in omnibus sequituto possimus sit invifibilis Ames Bellar enerv tom 2 lib. de Eccles which is common and used of all having in it nothing craftily devised neither cloaking some other thing than is professed Contrariwise when Satan speaketh by his instruments he speaketh so ambignously and cloakedly that one knoweth not how to take it nor which way to apply it And so you goe on in many words to the like purpose which if you will apply to your owne manner of disputing and alledging testimonies You shall discover your selfe to be the deceiver who affect ambiguous and equivocall speeches and seeke by mists and fogs of strange and unusuall arguments and sentences wrested to a contrary sense to blinde the eyes and puzzell the understanding of the simple For you hide your selfe under the termes of false â—â—â—ch false ministery false Prophets false worship flying from 〈◊〉 latry taking heed of idols c. which you have taken uâ—â—n a peculiar sense and running along in that straine you pervert the Scriptures wrong Authors consound things to be distinguished dispute sophistically and whiles you boast of cleare proofe divine precepts example and practice of forefathers from the first age of the world hitherto positions holden in all Schooles written in all books preached every day in Sermons taught in all Churches you doe only raise a dust to daisle the eye for let the matter be looked into and you have neither precept divine nor example of godly forefather to justifie your separation What you teach hath beene evermore condemned in Schooles cryed downe in Sermons disallowed in all Churches of the Saints from the very beginning to this day CAN. Stay Sec. 5. pag. 41 42. Sect. 6. pag. 86 To heare Antichr stian Ministers in their unlawfull assemblies is superstition and will-worship Therefore it is sin to doe it The first proposition is grounded upon Levit. 10.1 2. and the same is without exception The second proposition is thus proved 1. From the nature of superstition which is as Zanchie describes it a taking into the worship of God more than he requires in his worship 2 According to the Schoolemen that is superstition when divine worship is not exhibited either to the person it should be Li. 1 de cult extern oppos col 501 502 Aq. 2. 2 ae q. 92 art 1 or not in the way or manner it ought And this is held to bee a sound truth by all Orthodox Divines 3 This hearing cannot be free of superstition in regard men are present at false worship Jdem sect 5. pag. 75 Whosoever takes to himselfe a practice which is not grounded on Gods word and is strict therein hee is just overmuch and presumeth above that which is written and this is their ease who heare unlawfull Ministers for edification And a little before iâ— the same page The hearing stood for is a spirituall eating with Idolaters and men cannot receive the food without pollution And page 80 81. Herein men worship God bâ—y and in a way and meanes which Idolaters will have instituted The which presence as the learned write is a certaine communication therewith 4 It is a great superstition to approve countenance or give honour to any of the wayes of Antichrist They that are sincere christians saith Bucer cannot abide any thing that is his c. 5 It is vitious and superstitious to symbolize with idolaters The Scriptures forbidâ—t and the Saints in all ages have carefully shunned it 6 Superstition is committed when more estimation is had of a thing more dignitie and excellency placed in it and more regard had to it than God alloweth or can stand with his will ANSWER You rowle the same stone up and downe Is there any thing here for substance but what hath beene repeated oft but not prooved once You talke of superstition false worship idolatry giving honour to the wayes of Antichrist and such like great abominations But if we call for proof of these accusations you are glad to fly off and to play least in sight Superstition false worship idolatry is unlawfull that you can say and no man will deny it But that it is false worship idolatry or superstition to hold communion in our assemblies in the ordinances of grace in this if your bare word will not be received here is nothing to beare you out This reason therefore that is for the substance thereof nothing
to say out of the Nonconformists against our Ministery in respect of their orders and degrees SECTION 6. CAN. Necess of Separation Pag. 37. IF the calling and office of their bishops be as the Nonconformists say it is of the earth false divellish Antichristian c. than it followes that the calling and office of the whole Ministery must necessarily be of the same nature qualities and condition to wit of the earth false divellish and Antichristian c. which is wholly derived from it which receives J say and takes it life and being of it only and no where else For if their Bishops have not a right power in themselves then can they not transferre it to another As the law saith Nemo potest plus juris transferre in ahum Regul juris 79. quam sibi competere dignoscatur No man can give more to another than he hath himselfe If Corah Dathan and Abitam when they usurped the priesthood and government of the Church should by that false power which they assumed have ordained some of the people unto the Priests office no doubt all the Israelites which feared God would have judged their place and standing unlawfull because they which made them had no commission from God so to doe The case of their Ministery is just so ANSWER IF some things of men bee mixed with that which is of God as the holy Sacraments with humane rites and humane pompe and glory with the Ministery that is from above a prudent Christian must separate one from another and not cast away what is of God as a nullitie fruitlesse unprofitable defiled because somewhat humane is annexed to them Accidentall defects or superfluities in or about the Ministery doe not destroy the nature and substance of the Ministery In the office and calling of Bishops two things are to be considered 1 The substance of their office and Ministery whereunto they are separated to wit to preach the Gospell dispense the Sacraments and administer the discipline of Jesus Christ Hieron in epist ad Tit. ca. 1. ad Evag. epist 2. Bilson chr part 2. pag. 318 319. Calv. tract deneces reform eccles Calvin instit l. 4 c. 4. sect 1.2 4 15. Zanch. in 4. praeteptum toâ— 732 733. Forb Irenic l. 2 prop 7 8 9 10. and this is of God 2 The superioritie they take or challenge over their brethren which makes not a difference or nullitie in the substance of their ministery and this is of men All Ministers of the Gospell are stewards of Jesus Christ set apart to doe his worke wherein if any one shall challenge more than of right appertaineth unto him or doe ought out of pride partialitie sinister affection tyrannie or sedition or receiveth such authoritie to himselfe alone as belongeth not to his place and office or is common to many in that he is blameworthy but thereupon his Ministery or ministeriall acts done by him are not made voide and of none effect Thus the Church of England The institution of a Christian man c. of the Sacram. of Orders Ievvel apol def par 2. c. 3. div 1 5 c. 9. div 1. in 1 Tim. 3. in 1 Tim. hom 11 Qu. ex utroque Testamento ca. 100. at least the prime maintainers of Religion against the Papists have taught That there is little or no difference betwixt a Bishop and a Presbyter to which purpose Iewell cites many passages out of the Ancient Fathers as of Ambrose there is one Ordination of a Bishop and a Presbyter Chrys betwixt a Bishop and a Presbyter there is almost no difference Aug. what is a Bishop but the first or chiefe Presbyter And both Conformists and Non-conforâ—â—ists agree in this that ministers rightly qualified with gifts and preaching the doctrine of salvation purely bee the Ministers of Iesus Christ whether ordayned by Bishops or the Eldership Forb Iren. l. 2. c. 11 prop. Carleton de Eccl. c. 11. p 283.284 D. Field of the Church lib. 3. c. 39 T. C. repl 1. p. 82. There being great resemblance between the Popedome and Archbishop I meane having regard to the bare functions without respecting the Doctrine good or bad which they uphold there is yet great difference betweene the persons which execute them P. Lombard l. 4. sen dist 24. Capreol in 4. sent dist 2. qu. 1. Episcopatus non est alius distinctus ordo a sacerdotio Bonavent in 4 sent dist 24. art 2. qu. 3. Th. Aqui. 3. suppl qu. 40. art 5. They that hold Bishops by Divine right greater than Presbyters and that the power of Ordination belongeth unto them doe yet acknowledge Ordination given by the Eldership to be true by the judgement of the Catholike Church And they that maintaine the equalitie of Bishops and Presbyters by the Word of God deny not those Ministers to be of God who teach sound doctrine and feed the flocke of God committed to their charge though they received Ordination from Bishops The learned among the Papists themselves freely confesse that that wherein a Bishop excelleth a Presbyter is not a distinct and higher order or power of order but a kind of dignity or office and employment only Episcopacy is not another order distinct from the Priest-hood saith Capreolus No Prelate hath more concerning Sacramentall power or of order than simple Priests So Armachanus As concerning Sacerdotall order Armach l. 11. Dom. a Soto l. 10. de just jure q. 1. art 2. de 4. dist 24 q. 2 art 3 Darand in 4 sent dist 24 qu 5. Staple relect contr 2 qu. 3 art 3. Bellar. de Cler. l. 1. c 11 s 14. cusan concord l. 2. c. 13. and things that pertaine to order they are equall Thus Bellarmine himselfe Although a Bishop and Presbyter are distinguished yet as concerning Sacrifice they exercise the same ministery and therefore they make one order and not two Cusanus goeth further All Bishops and haply also Presbyters are of equall power in respect of jurisdiction although not of execution which executive exercise is shut up and restrayned by certaine positive Lawes And Iohannes de Parisijs de potost Regal Papal ca. 10. Some say a Presbyter hath the same power in his Parish that a Bishop hath in his Diocesse From which their confession it will evidently follow that Ministers ordained by Presbyters to whom the care and government of the Church belongeth are true Ministers In Alexandria and all Aegypt the Presbyters gave Ordination vvhen a Bishop vvas not present as Augustine Ambrose both confesse Ambr ad Eph. c 4 August Quest Nov vet 4 101 Concil Nicen can 4 Concil Arelatens 2. c. 5. Con Affris can 16 Bellar. de Eccl. l 4 c. 8 s Ex quo Gratian Decr dist 23 c. 8 Theodoret hist lib. 5 c. 23. Socrates hist. lib 4 c. 35 Gr. Johan Major in 4 sent dist 25 qu. 3 inter oper Gerson Paris 1606 p. 681 Greg 1 lib. 12 ep 31. indict 7. Bedal 1 c 27. Gratian. 1 par
dist 93 ca 24 dist 95 can 5. Gratian par 2 c 9 qu 2 c. Lugdunens Calvin Justit l 4 c 2 s 11. Chamier panstr Tom 2 l 16 cap. 4 S. 9. Iun animad in Bel de cleric c 14 not 2 c 3 not 59 Chamier Ibid c. 6 s 11. Sed Catholici negaut consquentiā sciunt posse illa omnia extare in media haeresi inter Apostatas Quod si nostri negari incipient Apostatae cur Fararius cur ejus Mecaenas Jacobus Davius nunc Cardinalis non renunciarunt Baptismo apud nos quos ille disputat apostasiam fecisse recepto non jusserunt se denuo ting Author imperfect oper in Mat. hom 49. Omnia haes quae sunt proprie Christi inberitate habent haereses illae inschismate similiter Ecclesias similiter ipsas Scripturas Diviras similiter Episcopos caterosque ordines Clericorum similiter Eucharistiam caetera omnia c. And hereof the grounds and reasons are evident For on the one side it appeareth the Ancient Church did not hold her Constitutions to be absolutely essentiall to the calling of a Minister or to the semper esse thereof as if the omission or non-observation thereof did make them no Ministers Bishops by the Ancient Constitutions of the Church were to be ordained by three other Bishops neere adjoyning But instances there be manefest that the Church hath dispensed with these Canons Pelagius the first as Anastasius writeth in vitâ Pelagij was consecrated of two Bishops only Iohannes de Perusio Bomu de Ferentino Anareas Presbyter de Ostio Evagrius Bishop was consecrated of Paulinus onely Moses refusing to bee ordained of Lucius was created Bishop of them who were banished into the mountaines The Bishops of France only Dionysius ordained It is an humane constitution saith Iohannes Major that a Bishop should be ordayned of three invented for solemnity not as absolutely necessary Presbyters or Elders were ordained by the Bishop The rest of the Presbyters then present laying on their hands But seeing Bishops were greater than Presbyters rather by the Custome of the Church than by divine institution this was not simply required to the essence of ordination but according to the Custome and Ecclesiasticall Ordinances The Chorepiscopi also who were nothing but Presbyters were allowed to ordaine by the leave of the Bishop And on the other side if they bee not lawfull Ministers who receive their Ordination from Bishops the Churches of God throughout the world have beene destitute of lawfull Ministers for the space of this foureteene or fifteene hundred yeares which the Non-conformists will never affirme As Rome it selfe is a Church as the Church is opposed to Turkes and Infidels and as Heretickes specially they whose opinions are not in specie as they say pernicious CAN Stay § 2. pag. 11. are the Church So in Rome and amongst Heretickes so much truth of Ministery is found as the acts they doe are not voyd altogether and of none effect The doctrine of the Nicolaitaus which was that adultery and fornication were no sinnes and that men might communicate with the sacrifices of Idolaters in their Idol Temples Iren. l. 1. c. 27. Epiphan 1. Tom. 1. Was not you say in the judgment of the Churches at Pergamus Thyatira esteemed as a thing that might not be born withal If Pergamus and Thyatyra so grievously corrupted were true Churches The receiving of Ordination from the hands of a Bishop doth not so leaven the Ministery as to make a nullity thereof or make it unlawfull for others to joyn therewith in the worship of God A Bishop ordained per saltum P. Aureolus in 4. Sent. dist 24 art 2 Capreolus dist 25 art 2. Cusan concord cathol lib. 1. cap 4. Membrum suo officio non contentum sed cupicus prae ripere alienum conturbat corporis ordinem totum c. sic singulorum ornamenta non sunt alijs congrua sed unumquodque requirit sua abijcit aliena Gratian. dist 89 cap. 1. They that hold the Office of Bishops to be of GOD do hold that the Church ceaseth not to be a Church in which this degree is not to be found that never had the Ordination of a Presbyter can neither consecrate and administer the Sacrament of the Lords Supper nor ordaine a Presbyter himselfe being none nor doe any act peculiarly appertaining to Presbyters Ordination therefore is reserved to the Bishop not in respect of superiority in degree of ministery above his brethren for if he be no Presbyter he cannot make Presbyters but for order sake and to prevent Schism and division being for substance of the same order and Consecration with them If one member in the body challenge to it selfe that office which belongeth to many it breeds some disorder and confusion but makes not a nullity of that which is done Succession in the Apostles Doctrine is an essentiall and unchangeable note of the Church which wheresoever it is found doth argue truth of ministery in that society for the Preaching of the Word and administration of the Sacraments to draw men to internall Communion For that particular Church is the true Church of Christ which retayneth unity with the Catholickes sc the unity of the head the unity of the body the unity of Doctrine and unity of the Spirit Iohan. Major l. 2. hist de gest Scotor cap. 2. scribit Scotos per sacerdotes Monachos sine Episcopis in fide eruditos esse usque ad An. Dom. 429. adeo ut Ecclesia scotitae plusquam 230 annos floruerit absque regimine Episcopali Nam Religionem Christianam suscepit Scotiae An. Dom. 203. ficu◠consentiunt Historic◠omnes Ames Bel enerv tom 2. de Eccles Forb Iren. lib 2. cap. 11 prop. 10. Bilson perpetuall Church Government Epistle to the Reader I have alwayes had before mine eyes the most of them are Brethren for the truths sake c A. W. Ansvver to late popish Articles page 73. Iun animadv in Bel cont 5 l. 1. cap. 3. The right and povver of giving Ordination to the Ministers of the Church belongeth primarily vvholly to Christ vvho communicateth the same vvith his Bride the Church Both the Bridegroome for his part and the Bride for her part have delivered this povver of Ordination to the Presbytery jure divino afterward the Presbytery conferred jure humano this power upon them who were specially called Bishops c. Aerius was called an Heretike in the time of Epiphanius not for his opinion but for his separation which he made together with it For so the Fathers of the first Constantinopolitane Councell Can. 6. which in the booke of Canons is 169. Haereticos autem dicimus eos qui olim ab Ecclesia abdicati sunt qui postea a nobis anathemati 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 praeter hos autem qui se sanam quidem fidem profiteri 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 subassumunt segregaverunt autem sese
rightlie dispensed there is a true ministerie whereby these offices are rightlie exercised But the particular Lawes manner of Government and orders in the Church the qualifications or qualities of the Minister or Communicants their disorders carelesnesse or other miscarriage in the administration he doth not approve reallie or interpretatively by his presence at the Ordinances If the Ministers be carelesse proud covetous superstitious enemies to true godlinesse friends to profanenesse if they aspire after dignitie love preheminence prate against the brethren they that communicate with them in the Ordinances of Religion doe neither in so doing countenance them in sinne nor approve their doiâ—gs If the Communicants be ignorant earthlie minded disobedient prophane scandalous they that communicate with them in the true worship of God and therein hold externall societie because they have not libertie to depart themselves nor power to cast the others out they are not defiled with their sinne nor partakers in their transgression And the same may be said of orders and rites established by the constitution of men presence at the ordinance doth not enwrape a Christian within the guilt thereof nor was it ever the pubâ—lke intention of the state that all present should approve every particular institution or order It sufficeth if they approve the faith professed and worship performed which are of God It is true that by words works example silence men may become guiltie of others sins and that some kind of dissimulation is a denying of Christ But it is true withall that presence at Gods Ordinances is no dissimulation nor participation in the sinnes of others by word example silence or other waies If a man doe one thing and pretend another and hope to save himselfe by his secret meaning you may rebuke his hypocrisie as the cause requireth But we say in reparing to the Ordinances of God our heart and actions goe together and both are allowed and approved of God And here consider whether you doe not directly confute your selfe by the Engine of your owne acknowledgment as you phrase it For here you say CAN. Stay Sect. 6. p. 78. no administration performed in a state and by power and constituted office can be sought desired and received And in your Margin There is a maine difference betweene a mans bare presence in a constituted state as being there unawares unwillinglie or by compulsion and presence there Jd. page 75. of purpose to partake of the administrations And a little before you argue thus whosoever takes to himselfe a practice which is not grounded on Gods Word and therein is strict he is just overmuch Id. page 74. 122 And many times you inculcate that you are to bee understood of hearing in a Church way and of Church officers Now if you deale plainely herein let the indifferent judge whether you doe not more than insinuate that all hearing in our assemblies is not absolutelie to be condemned but that wherein a man is strict that which is sought and desired And how then can it be esteemed an act of Idolatrie or compared to bowing downe before an Image For the worship of an Image though occasionally done and that but once with what intent or purpose soever you wil acknowledge to bee sin and if hearing the Word preached in our assemblies occasionallie be not a sin you have sinned grievously in matching it with Idolatrie of the most hainous kind and abused both Scripture and learned Authors to countenance your impietie SECTION 8. CAN. STAY against Sect. 5. Pag. 74. 75. If to heare in a false Church bee any lawfull ordinary meanes of edification which Christ the onely Teacher of his Church hath appointed then it is set downe by the Apostle in Eph. 4 11 12 13. The reason is because Paul there mentioneth all ministeriall meanes for the perfect and compleat building of the Church from the first to the last And if Christ who in those last dayes speakes evidently by his Gospell and Spirit Id. Sect. 12. p. 117 had judged it fit that his children should goe unto false Churches hee would certainely have made knowne the same unto them ANSWER The Apostle in the place alledged describes what officers Christ hath given to and doth approve in his Church for the ministerie of the word and dispensation of the heavenly mysteries The Papists alledg this Text of the Apostle to prove that in the Church there hath ever bin a visible succession of Pastors or Teachers See Rhem annot in Eph. 4 13 And the Ansvver vvhich is returned to them by our Divines vvill serve in this case See Fulk ansvver to the Rhem Ibid. Carâ—w Ibid. Cameron Myroth in Eph. 4.11 Non sequitur tamen inde Pastores istos fuisse ejusmodi qui oves conduxerint in ea pas cua quibus cicuta aconitum nascatur satis est ut duxerint in ea pascua quibus etsi insit virus tamen in est unde oves pascantur and intimateth also how they should be qualified and behave themselves in the execution of their Office But the Apostle saith not that the Church hath or shall evermore injoy such officers both for substance of their office qualification of gifts and manner of dispensation as are there commended Nor yet that the Church is onely to heare such as be rightly qualified and doe faithfully execute their office It derogates nothing from the glory of Christs wisdome and faithfulnesse in providing for the full and perfect instruction of the Church that such Pastors be sometimes wanting and cannot bee had for he never promised to provide otherwise for them in all ages of the Church but told them of the scarcitie which might come before and in wisdome saw iâ—to be most for his owne glory Christ never laid this charge upon the faithfull to separate from those teachers which preached truely the doctrine of salvation if any exception could bee taken against their calling qualification manner of life or execution of their office The Pastors of the Church should be wise vigilant holy examples to the flock both in doctrine and conversation not seeking their owne but that which is Jesus Christs And after they be chosen they should execute their office with al diligence But if they be carelesse covetous pompous intangling themselves in things of this world scandalous yet if they preach Christ and be not or cannot be removed the faithfull are bound to heare them The Primitive Bishops and Martyrs were neither Pastors nor Doctors according to every circumstance which your will require in a Pastor or Teacher but the faithfull in those times held communion with and heard them as they preached Christ and him crucified and that by the commandement and approbation of Christ Himselfe what was of God they were obliged to submit unto wisely distinguishing it from that which is annexed of man In the Officers of the Church two things are to bee considered 1. The substance of their calling which is to seed the flock
quam Bileami Qui inter quaestiones Christianorum hanc fuisse docet cur Balaam tam manifesta de Christo praedixisset Quem ipse ad Iob 32. de cognitione Abrahan ifuâ—sse docet D. Heins exâ—rcit sacr in Mat. 2. which is spoken of the Prophets in Judah Neverthelesse seeing he is called a Diviner as they are said to take divinations in their hands scil the wages of iniquitie and as there is no divination against Israel that is magicall incantations cannot availe against Jsrael whom God doth protect with his presence I doe rather subscribe to them who conceive that he was a Witch or Wizard than the prophet of God Neither doth the deliverie and utterance of some truth make a true prophet for the Heathen Witches and Wizards nay the Divel himselfe hath spoken some truth that he might the better deceive But as the possession of all supernaturall truth necessarie to salvation is proper to the Church so to preach the whole counsell of God unto his people is the speciall badge of a true Prophet and the fruit whereby hee is knowne Marke this well for to use your owne phrase it sheweth all your answer to be coecum insomnium a vain dream and nothing else It is the note of a false Prophet to run when God doth not send him But can it be shewed that ever Minister did teach the whole counsell of God unto his flocke â—er 14.14 23.21 27.15 Vnreasonabl of separation p. 6. Though it be no new thing that the Ministers of Antichrist should in divers things bring the truth with them yet this is a new thing and never heard of before That the Ministers of Antichrist should teach the whole truth of Iesus Christ for the substance therof That they should oppose directly and zealously against the maine and fundamentall doctrines of Antichrist c. 〈◊〉 42.19 who was not sent of God The places cited make it evident that they whom God did not send they taught false things in his name as they run when he sent them not so they prophesied when he spake not unto them In some cases it is true the Church for a time may bee without Ministers as when the pastor is taken away by death or the Church dispersed by persecution or the people negligent to procure teachers and the like But ordinarily the Church is not destitute of true Ministers nor is there a true ministerie to be found but in the Church And therefore seeing the societie professing the true faith intirely and holding the communion of Saints is the true Church the Ministers teaching sound doctrine in those societies and maintaining the unitie of the Spirit must of necessitie be true Ministers But every unlawfull Minister say you is a false Prophet for these two are all one This is spoken ambiguously and must be distinguished before any direct judgement can bee passed upon it What then doe you understand by unlawfull Minister Is he an unlawfull Minister who is not approved of God designed by Christ qualified as he ought chosen orderly but out of favour partialitie faction or schisme Or is he an unlawfull Minister who teacheth corruptly seeketh not that which was lost bindeth not up that which was broken puts not the weake into his bosome grieveth the godly strengtheneth the hands of the wicked and walketh prophanely Is he an unlawfull Minister who being a secret heretike CAN Necess of Separation page 237. If one bee ordained a Pastor according to Christs institution hee hath certainly lawfull ministerie howsoever things shall afterward fall out yeâ— though hee should sing Masse and Mattens as hee speaketh But hee asketh if any that is in his wits will say so yes and prove it also and if hee himselfe had not wanted some wit in this point he would not thus have confounded one thing so absurâ—ly with another for as a person may bee a servant or subject truly and fully and yet doe afterwards the actions of thieves rebels traitors so a man may take a true Ministerie by ordination and yet in his life and doctrine doe wickedly and â—â—serve justly to be deposed is chosen and ordained by the communitie where hee is to administer without due tryall and examination or being rashly and unadvisedly elected doth after neglect his dutie altogether teach perverse things administer coruptly sing Masse and Mattens If none of these be unlawfull Ministers in your esteeme it will be no losse to us if we grant the proposition for we may boldly affirme if you search our Ministerie with a candle and lanthorn it will bee found true and of God If you take a false prophet and unlawfull Minister in that strict sense as to exclude all the former there is not one Minister a member of our Church that can be a false Prophet If you take all these for unlawfull ministers then all unlawfull Ministers are not false prophets in your account Or else it is lawfull to hold communion with some false prophets which you peremptorily would seeme to deny The want of an outward calling you say makes a man an unlawfull minister and so you might say Ier. 2.8 Ter. de praescript advers Haeret. c. 36. Vnde autem extranâ—i inimici Apostoâ—iâ— haeretici nisiâ—ex diversitate doctrinae quam unusquisque de suo arbitrio adversus Apostolos aut protulit aut recepit doth the want of right qualification and conscionable discharge of his duty for God hath threatned both the one and the other that they shall be no priests unto him both the one and the other are idols in phrase of Scripture But he can not be a minister in a societie of Christians professing the true and intire faith and enjoying the blessing of the Sacraments who is utterly destitute of an outward calling In some Churches the calling is more compleat and exact than in others and at some times things have beene more orderly handled than at others but in all Churches there is an outward calling and effectuall to the truth of the ministerie Long since it was objected against the Nonconformists that they say the Gospell is not truly preached in England because there is no lawfull calling to the ministerie whereunto they have returned this answer We do not say that there is no lawfull or no ordinarie calling in England for we doe not deny but that he may be lawfully called which is not ordinarily as Luther Melancthon Zuinglius and there bee places in England where the Ministers are called by their parishes in such sort as the examples of Scripture doe shew to have been done before the Eldership and government of the Church was established T.C. repl 1. answ to the exhor p. 3. I know not any that saith the Gospell is not truly preached in England and by those that are not of the same judgement that the admonition to the Parliament is of CAN. Necess of Separ pag. 55. The Ministery of England as it is established by law doth
Papists themselves who stand so much upon the necessitie of succession and ordination by three Bishops according to the constitutions of the Church Bellar. de Eccl. l. 3. c. 10. S. Ad Secundum are yet forced to acknowledge That to know that Pastors are true there is required neither faith not lawfull Election but this onely that they be acknowledged such of the Church and that they hold the place of Christ de facto though not de jure And seeing you pretend to build upon the Non-conformists principles you may take notice of their profession which is this Baptisme administred by Popish Priests is good and sufficient and they are to bee accounted for Ministers though they bee not good and lawfull Ministers but usurpers and intruders The like may be said of such as without ordinary calling An Examin of D. W. Cen. art 11 page 14. counterfeite themselves to be Ministers and so deceive the Church In these the secret consent of the Church receiving them for Ministers untill their wicked usurpation bee espied may be sufficient to authorize their ministery toward others CAN. Necess of Separ Page 234. If I were not unwilling to give occasion unto the Bishops to insult over these men I could hence manifest much bad dealing in them but I will forbeare for the present and do referre the Reader to their owne principles which is Jd. page 239. CAN. Necess of Separ p. 221. Are the Princes of the earth bound by Gods Lawes to maintaine the ordinary ministery of your Assemblies then have you from time to time shamfully mocked and abused them in craving so earnestly for their ayde to have and place thereof CAN. Stay Sect. 1. page 50. that all Ecclesiasticall officers ought necessarily to bee made by the free choyce of the Congregation wherein they are to administer And if they can prove all this I doe not see but the Controversie may easily be taken up betweene them and the Bishops only then they have just cause to begge pardon of them for their pleas against their Prelacy and the maine heavy accusations which they have put up both to Princes and Parliaments against them ANSWER Here you play the Rhetorician and make shew what you could doe but that you will for the present take some compassion upon the Non-conformists Whereunto I will returne no other answer than what you have made to my hand As for your minsing figure of extenuation I could hence manifest I like it not For you do here none otherwise than if a Thiefe when hee hath stript a man out of all that hee hath would faine yet bee counted mercifull in that he doth not murder him or binde him as some others have done Let any indifferent man read your writings and he will say you have not spared your opposites but shot at them Arrowes of bitter words and made them as odious and vile as man can do But blessed is hee that is not offended at the truth for such things Looke upon your selfe in that which you say against your opposites You referre your selfe to their Principles and they make nothing for you as it hath beene alreadly shewed and you might see your selfe if you did not shut your eyes The reason which here you bring is but your owne saying said over many times and indeed bewrayeth more cunning CAN. Stay §. 2. page 55. than reason truth or Consciene and to speake in your phrase sophistry than sincerity For in plaine termes this is your forme of arguing If the Episcopall ordination be not a meere nullitie Vnreasonabl of Separ page 54. I know none having received Ordination from the Prelates that need deny that they preach partly by vertue of the Ministery which they have taken from them T. C. repl 1. Ep. By exercising unlawfull authority and by taking unto them partly such things as belong by no meanes unto the Church and partly which are common unto them with the whole Church or else with others the Ministers and Governours of the same if the ministerie of the idle carelesse prophane yea of the learned godly and painefull be not a meere Idol then have the Non-conformists just cause to begge pardon of the Prelates which hangeth together as a rope of sand The ministery of the Priests Scribes and Pharisees was true in time of the Old Testament and in the dayes of our Saviour Christ had the Prophets then and our Saviour just cause to beg pardon because they accused them of ignorance pride tyrannie contempt of the truth oppressions hypocrisie as blind guides and ravening Wolves who spoyled and made havocke of the flockes The Non-conformists never deemed the ministery of the Church of England for the substance and essentiall parts therof to be false and Idolatrous nor craved the aide of the Prince and Parliament to have it quite or in part abolished you have just cause to begge pardon that slander them in this manner But they complaine of abuses in the ministery and these they desire might be reformed That the ministery might be more pure and incorrupt They complaine of the usurpation of some who challenge that as peculiar to themselves which belongeth to their brethren in common who admit the basest of the people into the office of the ministerie doe that by their sole pleasure which should be done by common Counsell King Canutus made a Lavv by the Counsell of his sages at Winchester That Bishops be Preachers and Teachers of Gods Law and carefull followers of good works Leg. 26. And that every Christian learne so much that he can the true faith and the true understanding therof namely the Lords Prayer and the Creed or else not to have Christian buriall neither to bee admitted whiles he liveth to the Lords Table c. Amb. de dignit sacerdot ca. 3. Quantò prae caeteris gradus Episcopalis altior est tanto si per negligentiâ—m dilabadur ruina gravior est Magna sublimitas magnam debet habere cautelam CAN. Stay S. 12. p. 120 Honor grandis grandiori debet soliciâ—udine circumvallors and disregard the consent and approbation of the Church both in Ordinations and excommunications and if the ministery of the Church of England be true for substance might they not without blame desire and crave the reformation of this abuse they complaine of the pompous Non-residents who feede themselves and regard not the flocke strive after preferment and heape up livings but labour not in the word and doctrine nor look after the welfare of mens soules they accuse these as the poyson and bane of the Church or unfaithfull shepheards who leave the flock to be dispersed and scattered and yet they will not say their ministery is false or Idolatrous or a meere nullitie doe they then shamefullly mocke or abuse the Prince or Parliament in petitioning that this grosse corruption might be reformed They accuse the ignorant carelesse prophane Ministers of neglect of their office and unworthy any place
or standing of honour in the house of GOD have they cause to aske pardon of this also if they shall thinke their ministerie may be effectuall to the faithfull A Minister lawfully called say you according to Christs institution is incontinently upon his outward lawfull calling a true Minister let his practices afterward be good or bad Put case then the Church should accuse such a Minister utterly neglecting his charge or inclining to say Masse and Mattens or loose and scandalous in behaviour as unworthie his place and office have they just cause to crave pardon of him because they acknowledged him to be a Minister but unworthily Many abuses not to be tolerated may cleave to the Ministery when the ministerie it selfe is not to be cast off as altogether ineffectuall SECTION 9. CAN Necess of Separ pag. 27.28 The Learned generally affirme Rhem. annoâ— in Iâ— 10. anno 1. and in 1. Cor. 10. Sect. 22. that it is unlawfull to communicate in a false ministery Par. Com. in Matth. 7.15 All those without doubt are to bee taken for deceivers who take upon them the office of teaching without a true calling and a little after he saith That so much being discouered 〈◊〉 Christian must 〈◊〉 hid â—are against them Dow. in a Reg. 5. v. 19. and Psal 15. p. 56. Admon 1. to the Parliament p. 27. T. C. reply 1. pag. 83.155 CAN. Stay p. 5.62 63 71 113 118 119 c. and flye from them as from Wolves Musculâ—â— in Matth. 7.15 saith the like Cope in Prov. 10.20 speaketh as much and giveth this reason for it because they destroy both bodies and soules of aâ— many as eâ—t her beâ—eeve or reverence them Zanch in Phil. 3.2 Ralloc com in 1 Thes 5.11 page 228. Riv. in Psal 16. page 52.53 Oecolamp in Isa â—â—2 fol. 20. Cal. in Psal 16. Fen. in Song 1.6.7 Cornel. a Lapid Com. in Iohn Ep. 2. page 505. saith False Ministers are favoured and approved in their unlawfull way when they are boundâ— Par. in Hosea 13.2 Sedul in 2 Reg. 5. Mâ—â—ty loc comâ—p 119 Virels Grounds in lib. 2. p. 103. Zanch in â—rac 3. p. 534. ANSWER Blaming your Treatiser that he comes so naked into the field CAN Stay Sect. 12. p. 119. you say I never saw in my life an error held by a man of Learning that hath lesse brought to countenance it than this For whereas others doe commonly quote Scriptures albeit mis-applyed and alledge for themselves the judgements of other men Hieron in Psalm 5. Omnâ— qui maâ—è intillig it Scripturas in via Dei corruit He goeth not this way to worke And better it is to goe plainely and simply to worke in the defence of his cause than to wrest Scripture mis-alledge Authors and abuse a show of Learning to seduce and beguile the simple But you have made choyse of the more common though the most sinfull course You pretend Scriptures but handle them amisse Quote Authors but chop and change their words force them to speake what they never meant and when all is done they will bee found to make nothing for but direct against you Ambr. Intus in animo perdant modo victores abscedant CAN. Necess of Separ p. 227. Tertul. de Virgi veland If Christ wâ—re ever afore all the truth is as ancieâ—â— and everlsting You make use of Logicall Maximes and Theologicall Principles but your mistakes are grosse and palpable in the application of them Some men you say in matters of controversie care not though they lose the peace of Conscience so they may gaine their supposed victory And if you have not offered violence to your Conscience in those writings you have not advisedly considered what you have done To make this manifest in some particulars not formerly mentioned It is an infallible Maâ—ime you say as Doctor Vsher and others observe out of Tertulliâ—n Whatsoever is first that is truest and what comes after is adulterate CAN. Stay sect 2. p. 14. Vsher de Christ Eceles success stat c. 1. p. 19 Field of the Ch. lib. 2. c. 5. page 49. CAN. Stay sect 2. p. 11. For with reverence to the phrase From the beginning it was not so Basil ep 79. Non est aequum ut quae apud ipsos obtinuit consuetudo pro lege canone habeatur rectae doct inae Henry Answ first ans p. 31. I grant your Church is ancient but I deny it to be most ancient seeing then the most ancient by your own grant is most true c. CAN. Stay sect 4. p. 27. T. C. repl 1. p. 79. D. T. W. The Doctors of the Synod 5.6 Warres are judged by their causes and not by their consequences Bilson Christian subject part 3. page 201. The first in any kind or sort of things is truest and best so Field This is spoken of the prime first originall being of each thing which is a sure proofe of goodnesse and perfection For all defects found in things are swarvings declinings and departures from their originall and first estate For truth is before false-hood and good before evill and habite before privation But you miserably apply that Rule to the first judgment of the separated Church in London concerning the hearing of the Word preached in our English Assemblies as if it must bee truest because it was first and their after judgement adulterate because it followed You distinguish not betwixt the effect and the event which I will not say was done ignorantly or unadvisedly To reason from the effect of things you say is unsound and unconcludable by the Scriptures This is as if a man would say the Midwives which lyed to Pharoah did much good to the Israelites c. And then you goe forward to produce testimonies that things are to be esteemed by their causes and not by the event and that things are not true because usefull But your Pistoler argueth from the effect not from the event from the proper effect not the effect by accident as you might easily perceive but that you tooke liberty to deride what you could not answer Thus he argueth The Doctrine taught in the Church of England is the sound and true doctrine of salvation profitable to beget faith and to build men forward unto life eternall not by accident but of it selfe and is ordinarily blessed of God to that end and purpose Therefore it is not unlawfull to heare the word preached in their assemblies What you talke of Caines murder Iudas his Treachery the good that comes by Schismes and Heresies is only to please your selfe with by-matters for the argument is drawne from the proper effect in respect of meanes instituted appointed and blessed of God This Canon is true if truly applyed and rightly limited CAN. Stay sect 4. p. 20. and sect 10. p. 111. parium par ratio est contrariorum eadem est ratio But as you apply it no good Logician would acknowledge it For though the
p 32. The practice of the greatest part of the reformed Churches in observing holy dayes cannot commend them in the Church of Scotland 1 Because shee did spue them out wiâ—h so great detestation that shee is more bound to abhorre them than other Churches which did not the like I may wel apply that to them which Caivin saith of the ceremonies of some to Valentinus Pacaeus Vt concedam faetidas illas sordes quibus purgatae fuerunt Ecclesiae vestrae in rebus med is posse censeri carum tamen restitutio erit res media CAN Stay sect 5. p 75.76 and in some cases necessarie to receive the Sacrament with them that kneel in our assemblies And now consider to whom the imputation of folly boldnesse inconsideratenesse and if you will falshood is justly to be attributed To these particulars I will adde one more whereby we may learne what we are to expect and looke for at your hands I think to make known unto thee thus you write what hapned about seven years past in England There was a Gentleman of Warwickshire by name M. Edward Greswold a man very religious as many besides my selfe can testifie Hee and I being bosome friends or to use his owne common saying our hearts being as Davids and Ionathans knit together upon just cause we both left the parish assemblies He afterward by the meanes of some craftie men was perswaded unto hearing againe upon this he fell into great trouble of Spirit and could have no feeling assurance of any peace with God remaining thus a while at length he sent a letter by his servant unto me the which I have kept a long time by me in this letter he largely acknowledgeth his offence and among other passages writes thus Ah you are happy but I by my fall am miserable and wretched and for the present time I feele my soule to be no otherwise than if I were in Hell c. ever since I went to their assemblies I have observed the Lords hand against me c. Wherefore I beseech you by the mercies of God set a day apart for me and seeke the Lord by fasting and praying that the water-flood overflow me not c. what his refreshings were after this I cannot say the report is that to his changing he had sad and sorrowfull dayes notwithstanding I am confident that his soule is with Christ in paradise As I am writing this I thinke of the words of the Prophet My flesh trembleth for feare of thee and I am afraid of thy judgements He that is wise will consider of these things For as one saith providing before is better than repenting afterward Psal 119 120. Hal. Antiq. Rom. lib. 11 It is no marvaile that false Churches by some are called officina scelerum carnificina sanctorum shops of wickednesse and shambles of the Saints for what can a tender conscience expect in frequenting them but indeed pricks racks and tortures This is your Relation and the use you make thereof But if you know not how it fared with this distressed Gentleman thus it was He shut up himselfe and his children in his house and would come at no man nor suffer any man to come at him lest hee should communicate with them in their sin Sustenance for himselfe and his Children was brought unto them and put in at some hole or window but hee suffered no man to come in to minister unto them no not when his children and he himselfe lay sick in great misery When by order his house was broken open for the Justices of peace in consideration of his case were constrained thereunto two of his children were found dead in the house and one had lyen so long unburied that the body was corrupted and did annoy the roome The Gentleman himselfe sick on his bed in wofull plight His Bible he had gone thorough and cut out the contents titles and every thing but the very Text it selfe This I have received from credible hands and it is a matter known through that countrie where he lived And if you marke it wisely you may see the originall of his sorrow and heavinesse was not from the hearing of the Word in our assemblies but from your principles which he had too deeply drunk in and out of a desire to keepe and observe made himselfe desolate It is very likely he thought with himselfe that if by hearing the doctring of grace hee did communicate with men in their sins much more was guilt contracted by civill conversings And if you will try it in right reason I cannot see how that consequence from your principles can be avoided Now he desirous to stick to what he had learned and not to delude himself with vaine distinctions as too many of the separation doe fel first into deepe perplexitie and then at last came unto that desperate conclusion to shut up himselfe and his children It is one of your principles That all humane devices whatsoever in the worship of God are idolatrous and therefore conceiving the contents of the Chapters and titles of the bookes to be of men hee cut them out And further it is likely he would have gone if his thoughts had reached further in this matter It was your great sinne to perswade him to separation and it is your great sinne now to impute the cause of his sorrow distresse and anguish to his hearing the Word in our societies when as it was the naturall fruit of his rash and sinfull separation or of those positions whereupon his separation was builded wherein if he was not first instructed he had been built up by you Let false Churches be shops of wickednesse and the shambles of the Saints In our societies the doctrine of faith and pietie is soundly and purely taught our adversaries being judges a thousand thousands can testifie by experience what oule-ravishing comforts and sweet communion with God may be had therein When you wrote these things you had just cause to take shame and sorrow that you had brought a poore soule thus into the snare of your seducements but to take occasion thereby to encourage others harden your selfe in an evill way and to revile and slander the heritage of the Lord is an argument of how great perversnesse You are confident he is with Christ in paradise and I will not goe about to lessen your confidence therein But if you may bee confident of him may not we be confident of the Martyrs who dyed cheerefully for the testimonie of the Lord Jesus being professed members of our societies Infallible knowledge of anothers salvation we challenge not but what you can pronounce confidently of one we may with equall or greater confidence pronounce of many who laid downe their lives for the truth of God And therefore the reason drawne from the practice of the Martyrs professing against Antichrist who lived and dyed members of our Societies and are received into glory to prove that our societies are not Antichristian idolatrous
false worship is neither absurd nor childish howsoever you are pleased to spurne and kick at it Peruse your owne manner of arguing implyed here CAN Neces of separat p. 190 191. and then speak of your answer to the other be not rash and partiall As for the particular point in hand the authors alledged by you speake nothing to your purpose For men may run when they bee not sent two wayes First when they are outwardly called but not inwardly qualified as with knowledge truth holinesse or care to doe the duties of their place and these are lawfull and unlawfull Ministers both lawfull as Ministers of Gods providence for the punishment of some and the good of others unlawfull as not approved of God in their place and standing Secondly when they have no manner of calling neither set apart by men in authoritie nor received by the Church nor qualified as they ought and these are every way unlawfull Againe false Prophets are of two sorts I Such as spring up in the Church teaching corrupt or perverse things but either not discovered or not convicted or not cast out These the faithfull must not believe though they may not forsake or cast off the Societies where such are tolerated 2. Such as teach damnable doctrines are not set apart to offices false and idolatrous and either never were in the societie of the true Church or bee lawfully convicted and justly cast out and with these the faithfull must hold no communion This is that which the learned teach as it hath beene shewed but it makes nothing at all to your purpose For you can never prove from Scripture reason or Nonconformists principles either that the ministerie of the Church of England is absolutely false or that any Ministers in the Church be false in the second acceptation of the word It is needlesse to proceed further in the examination of particular Authors CAN Stay sect 12. p. 118 because you your selfe doe affirme as much The godly say you are admonished to examine doctrines delivered to them in a right way and order And if they find any by teaching to be a false Prophet Id. sect 11. p. 115. they are to depose him and afterwards not to heare him againe Againe it is a question whether the godly in the Jewish Church having by hearing discovered the Scribes and Pharisees to be strangers that is false Prophets might afterward heare them againe Robins Iustif of separa p. 434. The Treatiser was once of minde that they might not and gave some reasons for it But howsoever the case is not easily to be determined considering the state of that Church and time yet this is cleare to all men of sound judgement that in the Churches now under the Gospell false Prophets may not be suffered But after due and orderly conviction being found so and obstinate they are to bee rejected and so no outward hearing of them any more Whence briefly let these things be noted First that the effects may be right and lawfull when the instruments are wrong and unlawfull in themselves and that a man may lawfully communicate in the effects of such actions whose instruments are unlawfull For the Scribes and Pharisees were unlawfull instruments by your own confession T.C. to his sister Anne Stubs You have indeed enough that bitterly speake against us but having no reproofes in their mouths nor arguments to confute their thunderbolts of judgement and condemnation are like headlesse arrowes not taken out of the Lords quiver but from their owne sides c. but the effects of their ministerie in which the faithfull might and did lawfully communicate A false Prophet not discovered not convicted orderly before he can be deemed obstinate and cast forth is an unlawfull instrument but you will not say the effects of his Ministerie are unlawfull and not to be communicated in I might here adde that is unskillfull to confound instruments and working causes or linke them together as if there were the same reason of both seeing all instruments are not working causes Secondly the Ministers of the Church of England have not duely and orderly beene convinced of corruption in doctrine especially in points fundamentall or that their place and standing is unlawfull much lesse can they be esteemed obstinate They were never cast out by the faithfull and true members of the Church but approved maintained and reverenced by them All reformed Churches all the faithfull in the reformed Churches doe acknowledge them the servants of Jesus Christ approve their standing reverence their gifts hold communion with them professe the same doctrine which they maintaine and praise God for his blessing upon their labours And now consider with what uprightnesse and integritie you have alleadged these Authors against the hearing of the word in our English Assemblies as if all the Ministers of the Church were false Prophets convicted obstinate and outed the Church You tell us peremptorily CAN. Necess of Separ p. 188. If the reformed Churches do justifie the English therein they condemne greatly their own practice for in their constitution ministerie worship and Government they are as opposite as light and darknes one to the other Bilson Christ subject part 4 p. 542. We would have you regard if not your consciences before God yet your credits before men Can you find nothing to object that the Sun doth not shine at Noone-day Is it not apparant to all the Christian world that the reformed Churches doe give unto us the right hand of fellowship and esteem as us the true Churches of Iesus Christ In manner of government they differ from us and they have abolished some rites and Ceremonies which we retaine as matters indifferent not as matters of holines necessity or worship this is the profession of our Church but in doctrine worship and ministery for the substance thereof there is a sweete agreement And the differences that are betwixt them and us in other matters Calv. instit l. 4. c. 18 Sect. 32. Confess Helv. c. 27 Angl. Conf. art 34 Aug. Conf. art 7. Bohem. Conf. art 15. Calv Ep. col 170. â—p col 478. they have so learned to tolerate as neither to condemne their owne practice nor to dis-church us and the like Christian moderation they receive from us backe againe The Churches of Christ have not learned to cure every scratch of a pin with a knife or launce This art of curing they leave to you who was never admitted into the society of discreete Physitians among them or us Thirdly consider how uncertaine their wayes are who walke in darknesse Sometimes the Scribes and Pharisees were to be heard because they were lawfully called Sometimes they might not be heard sometime it is a case not easily determined and sometimes in the Churches now under the New Testament false Prophets are not to be suffered as if the passages of Scripture forbidding to heare false Prophets must be restrained to the times of the Golpell Such
came from the Pope as out of the Trojan horses belly to the destruction of Gods kingdome The Church of God never knew them neither doth any reformed Church in the world know them And birds of the same feather are covetous Patrons of Benefices Parsons Vicars Readers Parish Priests Stipendaries and riding Chapleins that under the authoritie of their Masters spoile their flock of the foode of their soules such seeke not the Lord Iesus but their owne bellies clouds they are without raine trees without fruit painted Sepulchers full of dead bones fatted in all aboundance of iniquitie and leane Locusts in all feeling knowledge and sincerity Hier. in Syâ—â— Ruffin Perversi homines ad assentiâ—nem dogmatum suorum sub virorum Sanctorum nomine interseruerunt ea quae illi nunquam scripserunt Virg. An. l. 2. Accipe nunc Danaum insidias crimine ab uno disce omnes CAN. Necess of repar p. 48. 49. 〈◊〉 Can any Legerdemaine be more palpable than to apply these words to the office of Parsons and Vicars and their Ministerie who painefully diligently and profitably spend and have spent their time and strength in the service of the Lord Iesus Christ and of his Church If you will so grossely mistake or pervert their writings how shall wee beleeve you upon your word when you report that this or that you have heard or seene That a man from those principles may infer a lawfull separation from all spirituall communion in the ministerie of our English Churches you think every one if he understand what a principle is will freely grant And for my part I thinke every man that understands what the Non-conformists principles are or what a true conclusion rightly deduced from sound or true principles is will freely grant that your separation from the ministery of the Church of England in the Ordinances of worship is rash groundlesse and sinfull contrary to right reason the Non conformists principles and the holy Scriptures And so I commend the worth or weaknesse of what I have written to your consideration intreating if you can to bring gentle words and weight of matter as best beseemeth a good cause CHAP. II. THat God must be worshipped according to his owne will and commandement Bilson Christ. subject part 3. p. 302. It is onely Gods office to appoint how he will be served Tertul. de praescrip advers haeret Nobis nihil licet de nostro arbitrio indulgere sed nec eligere quod aliquis de arbitrio suo induxerit Apostolos Domini habemus Authores qui nec ipsi quidquaÌ„ de suo arbitrio quod inducerunt elegerunt sed acceptum à Christo c. Can. stay sec 3 p. 16 Can. Neces of Separat p. 72 73 74 75 76 77. and that nothing must goe under the name of worship which he hath not commanded or instituted in his Word is a truth confessed and maintained by the Church of England Conformists and Non-conformists So that it is altogether needlesse to spend many words and quote many Authors to prove that which is commonly received if it be not a wrong to mention that as a principle of the Non-conformists which is the doctrine of the Church with one consent professed of all the members of the societie Else where you write but your speech is over-lavish as most commonly it is that all sorts and sects of Writers acknowledg this for a truth that to worship God in any other way or manner than he hath in his Word prescribed is unlawfull And therefore this paines here taken might well have been spared but the plenty herein may serve to hide your poverty in that which is to be proved Your Reason to prove the necessitie of separation from the Non-conformists Principles is thus laid downe The Lord in Scripture hath laid it as a straight charge upon all the faithfull to separate themselves from Idolaters Sect. 1 Can. Neces of Separat cap. 2. sec 3. pag. 83 84. and to be as unlike to them as may be specially in their religious observations and ceremonies The second Commandement proves this effectually for there is absolutely forbidden all participation in any feigned service whether it be to the true God or any other When Jeroboam had set up a false worship we reade Hosea 4.14 15. Amos 5.5 that the good Prophets of that time and after called the godly Israelites away from it and bid them in plaine termes not to joyne therewith but on the contrary to keepe Gods Commandentents and statutes appointed for his service without adding any thing to them or taking any thing from them And this they must doe although the King had confirmed his new Religion by Act of Parliament or Councell and therefore no doubt would persecute most grâ—evously all the refusers thereof c. Thus you goe on in foure leaves or thereabouts to confirme your proposition Answer Ibid. pag. 84. to 92. and yet it may be questioned whether you doe confirme or explaine every particular conteined therein For if it be demanded what it is to be as unlike to Idolaters as much as may be and how that is proved to be necessary either by the commandement of God or practice of the godly without some fit or due limitation which is not added I suppose you will be to seeke much lesse can it be concluded out of this discourse But let us heare your Assumption But the worship of the English-Church-Service-Booke hath no warrant by Gods word Can. Neces p. 85. bid pag. 91. but it is a devised false and idolatrous worship If we take a strict view of that ministery worship and government which they left at Dan and Bethel it will appeare evidently that the same was not more false idolatrous and unlawfull Id. pag. 85. than the present ministery worship and government of the English Assemblyes is by the Non-conformists affirmed to be And because none may thinke that I speake more than can be proved I will therefore here lay downe an apologie or pretext which an idolatrous Israelite might frame in the defence of the Kings Religion Freshsute lib. 2. pag. 80. taken out of their owne writings And if Dr Ames phrase be tolerable I will pawne my head that there is never a Nonconformist this day in the world let him keep to their grounds that is able to give more pretty reasons Course of conform pag. 161. and colourable shewes to justifie the Religion of the Church of England That all worship Answer which hath not warrant from Gods word is unlawfull Socrates was wont to say Every God was to be honoured as he himselfe had given in commandement August de Conf. Evang lib. 1. cap. 18. Wherefore as Michah and Ieroboam grievously offended so whosoever brings into Gods service any thing of his own device he sinneth deadly But Images Crosses and Crucifixes are mens devices whereby they flatter themselves in pleasing God therfore they ought to be abhorred Calfe
Dispute upon communicating at confused Communions affirming that the sitter is accessary to the sinne of the kneeler But he was no English-Nonconformist nor doth intreat of English conformitie And if there be any speciall reasons why presence should be accounted approbation with them in that particular it is no equitie his private opinion should be brought to the prejudice of them that maintaine another cause But as yet we cannot see either from Scripture grounds or Nonconformists principles that it is utterly unlawfull to be present at the worship of God in the administration whereof some superstitious rite is used or some fault committed Your long labour in setting downe the faults to be found in our Liturgie is to small purpose The Nonconformists doe except against many things appointed in the Booke as inconvenient at least and such as should be taken away or reformed as The reading of Apocryphall books under the title of holy Scripture specially such parts as be corrupt for matter The Crosse and Surplice as Idolothites by participation and signes of mysticall signification The corruptions in the translations and some things in the formes of Buriall Matrimony Thanksgiving for Women after child-bed c. But these they condemne not as Idolatry nor as that which maketh the worship it selfe m Magdeburg centu 2. ca. 2. col 109. A true Church as it containes the pure doctrine so also it keepes simplieitie of ceremonies but an hypocriticall Church as it departs from pure doctrine so for the most part it changeth augmenteth the ceremonies instituted of God and multiplieth its owne traditions c. Can. Stay pa. 123. false and idolatrous It is one thing to say such a rite is inconvenient superstitious scandalous borrowed from the Papists not warranted by the word of God in the use will-worship if the word be taken largely another that the worship it selfe is false and idolatrous Therefore I will not stand to examine the particulars therein but proceed to examine what you bring further to shew the necessitie of Separation SECT IV. HEre is a fit place to propound a Question or two First whether to hold teach and practise the errours and lyes contained in their Canons Service-booke Booke of Articles and the ordering of Bishops Priests and Deacons doe mak◠a false Prophet Secondly Whether to hide from the people the knowledge of all the maine truths which concerne the outward regiment of Christs visible Church make a false Prophet Thirdly Whether it be lawfull to heare any false Prophet knowne so to be Qu In what ranke of Prophets unlawfull Ministers be and under what Scripture they are comprehended I would have a private Christian aske this Question of some learned Divine whom he knowes doth hold it lawfull to heare false Ministers And it is very likely he will answer him with deep silence There is one Question more viz. whether the Lords lawfull Priests which served at the Altar in Jerusalem might not as well urge their people to heare Jeroboams Priests at Dan and Bethel as the Ministers now under the Gospell to perswade men to heare in false Churches If is be not all one shew the difference ANSVVER TO your two last Questions answer hath been made divers times in sundry Treatises and in the first chapter of this present answer and you know the Scriptures plainly alledged to confirme what is said which you should have confuted if you had been able and not againe and againe to come over with the same thing If any learned Divine shall answer the demand with deep silence it may be because the partie demanding is uncapable of an answer not because there is any great difficultie in the matter It is a received Rule That the Accuser Plaintiffe and Affirmer should make proofe of what they say and if you erre your Questionist will affirme it is all one for the people of the Jewes to heare Jeroboams Priests at Dan and Bethel and the people in England to heare the word of God in our assemblies you must either bring good evidence for what you say or beare the brand of Slaunderers or false n Beza Epist 2. An enim obsecro aliter est de Sacramētis i. de doctrinae appendicibus quà m de ipsa doctrina judicandum At qui si nullam esse ecclesiā dicamus ubi nullus est prorsus in cunctis doctrinae Christianae dogmatibus naevus refellent nos Pauli Epistolae Corinthiacis et Galaticis Ecclesiis inscriptae c. Itaque ubi non satis pura est Ecclesiâ Ecclesia tamen est in qua salvum manet fundamentum ac multo magis ubi ritus Caenae Domini mutilus est Caena tamen est c. Accusers Is it sufficient thinke you to say If it be not so let them shew the contrary Your second Question will come to be handled in the next Chapter and there it shall be answered Your first Question onely which I scarce thinke another man would have asked pertaineth to this place wherunto I answer directly and plainly That a Minister of the Gospell may hold teach and practise according to the Book of Common Prayer Articles and Ordination and be a true Minister of Jesus Christ Nay he cannot truely hold and practice according to them but of necessitie he must be a true Minister in respect of his office and administration For the worship for substance there prescribed is of God the doctrine professed in respect of faith and Sacraments sound and true No errour either in speech hereticall or which doth tend to overthrow the foundation which is taught in them Suppose the seventie errours which o Can. Neces of Separat pag. 243 244 245. you reckon up were all true and justly taken against the Books and as many more to them might be named as it is not the number but the qualities of the errours which make a false Prophet false Church or false worship One fundamentall errour as the word is commonly used overthroweth the faith and twenty errours of inferiour alloy doe not much hurt the truth and soundnesse of faith The maine truths which concerne the very life and soule of Religion be p Vsher de success Eccl. cap. 1. few and the failings which may stand with the substance of Religion many Let it aske a better wit and head then ever Mr Dar. or your q Can. Neces of Separat pag. 185. selfe had to prove that there are halfe so many corruptions in the Religion professed by the English-Anabaptists adde if you please the Separatists Pelagians Arrians as are to be found in the English-Liturgie It will not be hard to prove that errours must be r The communion of the Catholique Church is not broken by the varietie of rites customes laws and fashions which many places and countries have different each from other except they be repugnant to faith or good manners August Epist 118. ad Ianuar. Euseb hist lib. 5. cap. 26. lib. 5. c. 23. Socrat. lib.
Arian infection both in the reignes of Constantius and Julian the Apostata Athanas Graecolar tom 1. pag. 309. edit Comelit Theodor. hist l. 4. c. 3. Pelagius a Britaine by birth troubled the Churches with his pestilent Doctrine denying the grace of God attributing power and libertie to man to live without sinne and keepe the Commandements if he would This Heresie arose about the yeare 405. or 406. and the Author thereof drew his first breath in Britaine Prudent 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Trim. 13. speaking of Cyprian saith Gallos fovet imbuit Britannos praesidet Hisperiae Christum serit ultimis Hiberis Vsser de prim Eccles Britan. ca. 16. pag. 787. but he sowed not this hereticall doctrine in Britaine And though it must be confessed That these Churches were not altogether free from that infection yet at first it was opposed and after it was banished by the blessing of God About the yeare 420. flourished Fastidius of whom Gennedius in his catalogue of Ecclesiasticall Writers saith Fastidius Bishop of the Britaines wrote to Fatalis one booke of Christian life and another of keeping Widdow-hood in sound doctrine and according to the truth of God And John Trithemius Fastidius Bishop of the Britaines was a man learned in the holy Scriptures and an excellent Preacher of the word of God famous in life and conversation in speech and wit notable Prosper contra collater cap. 41. Vsser de prim pag. 319 320 323 324. He wrote some devout little works c. And by the vigilancy and care of Lopis and Germanus Antisiodorensis the Britaines were delivered from the contagion which had begun to infect the Churches After this the face of things was miserable in that Kingdome by reason of the invasion of the g Repellūt nos barbari ad mare repellit mare ad barbaros Inter haec duo genera funerū aut jugulamur autmergimur Bed hist eccl l. 1. cap. 14. Bilson The true difference betweene Christians Par. 1. pa. 56. That this Land was infected with Arianisme Pelagianisme as many other places then were I find it reported in the story of Beda Eccl. his gent. Angl. l. 1. c. 8. lib. 1. cap. 17. And the Bishops of France our neighbours upon request made unto them by the Britaines sent Germanus and Lupus two French Bishops chosen in a Synod by the generall liking to convert this realm from Pelagius errour which also they did with great celeritie barbarous enemy the terrible famine the direfull contagion of the Pelagian and Arian heresies and the loosenesse negligence drunkennesse contentions and other vices of the Clergie The Christian Religion thus corrupted was restored againe by the second comming of Germannus but after that grievously oppressed by the comming in of the Anglo-Saxons who could not yet so extinguish the truth of God but it did revive spread and grow though sometimes more pure sometimes more corrupt and sometimes with greater sometimes with lesse freedome But to come to the last reformation which was made of Religion in this Land and it was not the conversion of England from infidelitie to the profession of the Gospell but the restoring of it from a corrupt state or profession to a more pure from Christianitie polluted to Christianitie unpolluted Christians they were who inhabited this Land baptized into the true faith of Jesus Christ but Christians defiled with manifold superstitions led aside into manifold errors which errors and superstitions removed they become sound and true Christians indeed The true h Chaloner Credo S 2. part sect 2 It will soone appeare that the Ch◠of Rome for a thousand yeares after our Saviour professed no other faith nor published any other beliefe in points fundamentall either negative or affirmative than we doe c. After a thousand and some few yeares more were expired Transubstantiation and Adoration of the Host with other dregs of Antichrist being established though we cannot say that the Church of Rome was from thence forth absolutely our Church yet we may boldly say that our church was from that time untill Luther both within the Romane Church and without it Church lay hid in Popery as a little oare in a great lump of drosse not refined not purified not coyned but true gold for substance yea that very same for substance which being purified and stamped is currant coyne When the invocation of Saints worshipping of Images the Latine Service and fabulous Legends the sacrifice of the Masse and adoration of the Sacrament with such like abhominations were taken away and in the roome thereof the true worship of one true God in the mediation of Jesus Christ and the right administration of the Sacraments and the reading of the holy Scriptures in a knowne tongue established when the omnipotency of the Pope is abandoned with all corrupt superstitions which did undermine the foundation it selfe and in stead thereof the intire faith of the Lord Jesus in all points necessary to salvation taught professed and received then is the Church refined and separated from that drosse To bring Infidells from the state of infidelitie to the faith it is necessary that instruction goe before either by reading exhortation preaching or report of Christian faith for faith commeth by hearing But where men professe Christianitie abuses may be reformed by the Edict of the Magigrate without such particular instruction going before as in the former case is requisite Many times * Jo. 2.19 heresie departeth from the Church or Heretickes goe out from the Church and sometimes the Church is compelled to goe out from heresie the heresie still remaining * Revel 18.4 Come out of her my people saith the Lord the godly then departing from Babylon according to Gods commandement gathering themselves into Christian societies the religious Magistrate by his Edict or Proclamation going before them are the true churches of Christ The i Raynold orat epist ad fratrem Non semper heresis exit ab ecclesia aliquando manet heresis ecclesia exire cogitur Papacy was not the church but the church lay hid in the Papacy untill the time of separation which being made according to Gods commandement by the authoritie of the Lords Vicegerent the church which was before k August epist 48. ad Vincent Donatist Ecclesia est quae aliquando obscuratur tanquam obnubilatur multitudine scandalorum obscured doth now shine forth Thus our Divines doe soundly and truely answer to the Papists demanding where our Church was before Luther That it was where now it is but unrefined unstamped that it lay l Beza epist 1. ad Duditium et si Papatun non sit Ecclesia voluit Deus in Papatu servare ecclesiam hid among them for the time as some fit stones for the building under a great heap of rubbish and that we have not erected a new Church but repaired and restored a ruinous m See Dr. Feild of the Church lib. 3. c.
maintained Fourthly In the true Church of Christ the true doctrine of Jesus Christ the Prophets and Apostles in matters fundamentall is kept but so as the living members may erre both in doctrine and manners and others in societie with them may erre grossely impenitently finally And thus the Church of England doth keepe the doctrine of w Chaloner Credo Sanct. 2 part subject The church in respect of its outward part as it enters the Creed is not onely an outward profession of a doctrine or discipline but a profession of the same under the notion of truth And that the Church in this sense is invisible Gregory de Valent. confes in his third Tom. upō Thomas disp 1 qu. 1. pag. 7. sect 16. and Bellarm in his third Book de Eccles ca. 15. Bilson Christ subject par 3. pag. 305. The visible Church consisting of good and bad elect reprobate hath no such promise but shee may erre only the chosen of christ which are the true members of his body properly called his Church they shall not erre unto perdition c. Christ the Prophets and Apostles intirely without addition or alteration though in the government and administration there be many things amisse though in the societie there be many who be not qualified as sheepe humble and meeke but fierce and cruell Fifthly No societie is the Church of Christ which retaineth not the true worship of God but in the true Church of God his pure worship may be stained with rites and ceremonies which might well be spared and are justly disliked Thus both Conformists and Nonconformists and all other sorts and sects of men And thus in the Church of England the true worship of God is for substance rightly maintained though the Nonconformists dislike and the Conformists groane under some ceremonies not abandoned The onely knot here to be unloosed againe is your slander against the Nonconformists in that you charge them to say that the Church of England doth not retaine the true worship of God And now I shall desire you calmely to consider how according to your principles you can untie a knot or two if they should be knit for you in this wise First He is no true Pastor of Jesus Christ who grossely perverteth the Scripture falsifieth Authors deceiveth with aequivocations condemneth the true worship of God as pernicious idolatrie and the x Jewell upon the first to the Thes chap. 1. v. 1. The Church of God is in God the Father and in the Lord Iesus Christ it is the company of the faithfull whom God hath gathered together in Christ by his Word and by the holy Ghost to honour him as he himselfe hath appointed This Church heareth the voyce of the Shepheard It will not follow a stranger but flyeth from him Of this Church Hieron in Mic. lib. 1. cap. 1. saith Ecclesia Christi in toto orbe Ecclesias possidens c. societies of Saints as idolatrous and Antichristian Assemblies and laboureth to draw Christians from the communion of Saints which ought to be kept and maintained Examine your writings in the feare of God and adde the proposition wanting Secondly He is no true Minister who derives his authoritie from them that are not able to give it But he that derives his authoritie from the people derives it from them that have no authoritie to give it You know the conclusion and where it will light Thirdly The true Church of God is the true flock of Christ the Kings Daughter quickened by the Spirit married unto Christ gentle meeke humble retaining the true worship of God without addition or alteration and keeping the unitie of the Spirit in the bond of peace But the societie of Separatists is not the true flocke of Christ quickned by the Spirit humble meeke gentle keeping the unitie of the Spirit in the bond of peace These properties doe not agree to all and every one in that societie in truth according as in the former propositions you say they belong to the true Church of God If you shall be able to maintaine the former propositions against men as you vaunt I doe not beleeve you shall be able to unloose these few knots CHAP. V. SECT I. IT may be some will expect that I should write something of their Lecturers Can. Neces of Separat pag. 49 50. and the rather because they in the judgement of many are thought to be the best Ministers Of their life and doctrine I say nothing But as for their Ministery surely it is new and strange For the Originall of their name manner of entrance and Administration is unknowne wholly to the Scriptures and I thinke never before heard of till in these latter broken and confused times Therefore it is no marvell when the Question hath beene propounded to some of them as it was by the Pharisees to John Who art thou That they have not been able for their life to answer to answer the point Neither could agree among themselves what kinde of Ministery it is that they have taken up And being hard pressed for resolution they have ingenuously confessed that unlesse they be Evangelists they could not see how their Ministery doth accord with any Ministery mentioned in the New Testament This I write upon my owne certain knowledge the persons I thinke are yet living whose names for some reason I forbeare to expresse Howbeit I can and will doe it if I see there be a just and necessary occasion I doe not thinke it strange that they should thus speake for indeed I know not what they can say better in defence of their standing Pastours I am sure they will not say they are For First They doe not take any particular charge of a flocke upon them Secondly They performe not the office thereof for they agree with the people onely to preach and not to administer either the seales or censures to them Thirdly Their comming unto the people is in a strange sort for they make a covenant each with other for some certaine yeares and when that time is out both parties are free and so may leave one the other and doe many times but a true Pastour may not doe so For if he should he were worse than an hireling which leaves not the sheepe till he see the Wolfe comming But many of these when they see a richer Lectureship comming towards them Fourthly He that is a Parson or Vicar is taken generally for the Minister of the place And truely howsoever their calling be false and Anttchristian as the Nonconformists say yet in many respects they doe better resemble a true Minister than any Lecturer whatsoever Therefore not without just cause Neces of Discipl pag. 74. doe the Reformists utterly condemne this extraordinary office of Preachers And affirme that they are neither Pastours nor Teachers which the Scripture alloweth of ANSVVER THis point concerning Lecturers I have purposely deferred unto this place because it is distinct from the former in your apprehension