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A30532 Many strong reasons confounded, which would hinder any reasonable man from being a Quaker and offences taken out of the way, but particularly foure and twenty arguments overturned and confuted, put forth and sent into the world by Richard Baxter, a professed minister, but a frequent contenter against the ways of God ... / ... by ... E.B. Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. 1657 (1657) Wing B6011A; ESTC R14497 21,411 23

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