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A04695 A contrarye (to a certayne manis) consultacion: that adulterers ought to be punyshed wyth deathe Wyth the solucions of his argumentes for the contrarye. Made by George Ioye. Joye, George, d. 1553. 1549 (1549) STC 14822; ESTC S120472 40,793 110

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with the swerde And what law was it wherof Paul saith It is not ordined for the iust man but for the vniust as for rebellers to the Magistrates to parents for murtherers for adulterers c Yf the payne and lawe made for adultery were abrogated Paul woulde not haue confirmed it as he did with those wordes yet lefte in his pistle neyther woulde he haue so threatened and feared the Corinthes sayinge Se that ye defyle not your selues wyth adultery as certayne men did for the whiche in one day there were slayne an hūdreth and twenty thousand Christes Le●ite of whiche ye speke so muche was such That for anger for an obprobriose worde he pronounced them worthy iudgement and to come before the counsel wherfore he abrogated not the iudiciall lawes but stablished them For he that so narowly interpreted his lawe to not kyll that for beinge angry with his brothren or for an obprobriose worde pronounceth him worthy counsel iudgement and hel fyer thincke ye that the same law geuer doth abrogate or mitigate the punishment for the other most gre●ouse transgressions of y e greater preceptes Then argueth he thus out of the example of Christ sayinge Christe expresseth his mercye and forgeuenes both by examples and doctrine and redempciō wherfor ther ought non of his disciples to put any malefactor to deathe but likewise to forgeue and to folowe his stepes Here belyke this man taketh not the seculare Christen Magistrates for Christes Disciples or els he woulde not them to put malefactors to deathe But let them be only the priestes his Disciples Who made this law that priestes should saue theues murtherers and Adulterers and that they should conuaye them from the galowes and that I shoulde not say the trueth before a iuge yea and take an oth to yf he aske it of me Who caused so many strong theues to be saued by their bokes and sanctuaries to nourishe wilfull theft and murther was it not the bishop of Romes lawe But I will set an example of Christes softenes le●ite againste this man so full of fonde pyte and merciles mercye where Christ toke cordes makinge them into sharp whipps wherwith in great anger violence he scourged oute suche fonde pituose marchants out of the temple whiche toke vpon thē so boldely withoute all feare of God to bringe into his churche suche licenciouse lybertie and false doctryne therby rede●inge and byinge by flatery the fauoure of Adulterers and theues when therby Christ takinge vpon him selfe the person of a prophete and bishop and not of a kinge ne Magistrate taught the professours of his worde and his disciples to correcte the arrogant audacite of erroneouse teachers and writers to blame and to chasten them sharpely as it were with whippes of which Christes facte it may be well gathered what may his successours do to suche abusers of his worde ●nd deceyuers of his churche with false doctrine In dede there ought no ecclesiastik Magistrate take the office of the seclare rulers vpon him in putting the malefactor to death But whether one man may haue both the regiments in his hād I thinke this man will not say agaynst it And then is it true that the professour of the worde and Disciple of Christ may execute Gods worcke and his office as the scripture calleth it and suche kinges are called Goddes for that they sitte in Gods place ministringe Gods worcke Christ him selfe was and is bothe prieste and ki●ge preacher and iudge whyche firste shewed him selfe to come to teache and to saue eare he woulde come to iudge and to condempne But yet in his firste coming he abrogated not his own ciuill lawes and iudgementes which he euē then confirmed and his apostles did also wryte them to be obeyed and fered whiche commaunded to be kept moste diligently and al mē to institute al their publik and priuate iudgementes accordinge to his word It is playne that this yonge wryter knoweth not what it is to be vnder the lawe and vnder the Gospell and who they be that are vnder ether of them For al that crye Lord Lord are not vnder the Gospel I graunte to him that the lawes to punish adulterers and the●es c. are abrogated and not ordened for chast lyuers true men and innocent persons liuinge vnder the obedience of the Gospell But to these open indurate Adulterers whose cause he defendeth the lawes ciuile and iudicials stande in their strength and ought to be executed vpon them This doctryne will we teach whatsoeuer this man obiecteth and wil tel the publik rulers that they do the workes and iudgementes iustice of God whylis like experte and godly wy●e sourgens they cut of from the body of the city or comon weal suche corrupt and contagiose membres as are Adulterers Althoughe this man sayth constaintly He healeth vnhappely that killeihe the sycke But a wyse sourgen will yf the corrupt member be incurable or shoulde poyson and kil the whole body cut of that member and caste it into the fyer as Christe teacheth vs of the eye hād and fote that hurte the whole body Then he woulde not That any father pastore or preacher should be iudges to minister iuste iudgementes and to punish open intractable synners But I woulde as teacheth vs Goddes worde that all seculare iudges rulers kinges and Magistrates were fathers pastors and Gods preachers and vnderstode y ● scriptures as wel as did Dauid and Salomon the other good iudges and kinges whose example we haue in the Bible to whome of eleccion and vocacion it was enioyned of God fatherly to teache to fede and to gouerne his people The cause why trwe indgement is peruerted and iustice and equite is not truely ministred is The iudges and rulers are not fathers but tyrants ignorā● of God and his lawes they are not true feders as it becometh them with Gods word but poysonners with menis tradicions To some men verely the ecclesiastik censure of excommunicacion was some tymes as geeuouse as death They were of their fathers openly excluded w t no litle shame from al the Christen societe in tyme of y ● Lordes souper of prayer and other benefites as wel vnworthy to ate to dryncke or accompany Christen men casten out by the power of the holy Ghost vnto Satan This autorite formidable censurs the kayes to bynd and to retayne syn●ers is geuen of God to y ● ministers of the worde whiche woulde God it were so iustely vsed nowe as it was in Paules tyme sence But nowe sithe this holsome remedye is not executed but abrogated per nō vīum nor yet y ● seclare swerde once drawne out againste this horrible crime of adultery Shal we not excite them both to their dutye But in what an heauye state are impenitent syn●ers geuen vp to Satan into their destruccion of the fleshe seinge that penitent incestuose of Paul suffred such paynes and his sorow so great that it was tube
desperatelye accustomed that otherwyse it wyll not be repressed Supposed alwayes that the Christen Magistrates and Godlye preachers therto consent lenite ioyned with charite called into their counsell But what charite Not that fonde charite whiche so preposterously pitieth an opē indurat Adulterer aud the e●rand accustomed strong thefe that neither for their obstinat incorrigible crimes nor for any comōzele to christē brothrē would haue y e magistrates exec●t their iust office inioined of god nor gods y ● realmes iust lawes executed But as she laboreth by suche blynde piete to deliuer the stronge thefe from the gayelhouse euen so by lyke sinistre charitie coupled with as lewed ●eni●e couselleth she fleshelye Adulterers to lyue in their whordome vnpunished maintayning this syn the originall of al wickednes into the destruccion of the comon wealthe and greate damnacion of many all shameles audacite added to their depe roted iniquite But that charytie and lenite would I haue called into counsel for thys iust punyshement whiche is so cleare eyed that she can se what thyng she may do by Gods word and when she may obtayne her purpose aud also knoweth how much she oweth to the fraylte of the weake corrigible at a tyme ouercomen by some greate temptacyon Aud howe muche she oweth to the desperate indurate syn●ers whiche hauynge or els may haue their owne yet lyke insaciable beastes all feare of God despysed prouoke them selues aud other vnto thys detestable fylthynes Thys charyte therfore I say do we enbrace whyche seketh the glory of God the kepinge of chaste wedlocke yea rather the publique wealthe a●d peace of many men aud women to be kept pure frō this vyce then the lyfe of a fewe in cōp●rison pestilent incorrigible persons whyche iustly deserue to dye by Gods lawes Some thinck it is to hard and to cruell a lawe to punyshe Adulterers wyth deathe But these persons bliudened wyth the custome of the synne so longe vnpunished ether are they gyltye themselues or els al feare set a part consider they not the terrible maiestie of him that said Thou shalt not cōmit adultery Wherfore yf I had not sene this greuouse offence so frequented with oute al punishement shame and feare of God and this wryter so farre to haue erred in wrestinge the scriptures to mayntaine this wickednes contrary to some men in priuate commonicacion and also in opē sermons exhortinge the magistrates iustely to punish● adultery I would haue winked at his fonde zele and blynde charite Albe it his blynde loue to him selfe in pleasinge him selfe hath openly for a shewe of his latyne tongue and greke set forthe his boke more to exercise his stile thē to geue vs any godly doctrine which boke sith it is put forthe to sustayne the publique iudgement I can not but saye my mynde for the defe●ce of the trueth and confutacyon of lyes For I iudge eeuery professor and minister of the word to be the same to the churche as is the goode Magistrat and citesen to the citye whiche as they will suffer nothinge to growe that maye destroye the cite and comon welth euen so should the professor suffer no vyce ne false doctrine nor synner vnpunished in the churche wherby the congregacion is corrupted and greuously sclaundered and turned from the feare of God who be feared praysed for euer Amen But let vs hear what this writer saith Into the reproche and rebukes of them whō he iudgeth not to approue his boke and title therof he sayth thus But I meruel at this vngodlines shall I cal it or rather a loue to them selues whyche are wont so greately to abhorre thē that are slyden into vices as though their selues were Goddes vpon the earth or vtterly clere from the same spots Lo. Adultery is with this man but a litle spotte a moot a litle sliding amisse in this mās eye For what synne els is it y t he in his boke defendeth who ther els ●end al his arguments then into this ende that Adulterers shoulde not be punished accordinge to his his first title an argumentes of the whole boke Beholde also how spyghtfully he depraueth good men for abhorringe adultery and would haue it iustely punished Neyther is therre now almost any man their maners are so corrupte but he will tell forth other menis offences to shewe them selues therby the more pure and honest Here may ye se of what spirite the man is caried into the rebukes an fole hardy iudgement reprehending and deprauing other godlye ministers whiche in pulpits dampne and abhorre these open obstinate Adulterers exhortinge the Magistrates to punishe it by Gods lawes As yf they shoulde preache against this horrible vice shewing with Paul What an offēce it is to take the mēbres of christ and make thē the membres of an whore to violate holy wedlocke to pollute the temple of God to dishonour his high maiestye to sclaunder his holy churche to separat that as God ioyneth to poyson the whole comon wealth exhortinge the rulers to punishe the crime These men for so preachinge he calleth them scornfully Goddes of the earth iudgeth them to set forth their owne honesty and goodnes by sclaunderyng other mē and tellynge forthe their synnes No sir we sclaunder them not ne tell we forthe their synnes They are their owne open filthy dedes whiche ye defende that disclose them Yf ye knowe any of vs that are agaynst your boke giltie and would kouer our synne with rebukinge aduoutry in open pulpits or writinge or exhortinge rulers to punishe it be you our accuser to make your mater the beter ye once exhorted a mā to not flater but s●arpely to rebuke vice And now I perceiue ye did it to haue the same office your selfe well remembringe the comyk That the trueth getteth hatered and obsequye frendes ye shal by this boke aud this defence get ye many Adulterers to frende and to stande one youre syde But this hatered this so bitter i●digu●ciō in priuate professors not only against the vices but against the men I can not tell whether it becometh men Shoulde we not hate those open synners and their offences whiche God so abhorreth and al godly men that euen the persones we are commaunded to estiewe to neither drincke ne eate with them nor to haue any conuersacion with them Then he sayth Namely them whiche synne of nature and not of will Here it would be asked this great learned oratore whether his Adulterers syn not of wyl but against their willes only of nature There is no actual syn but it is vnluntary Adultery is actuall wherfore it is a voluntary synne This were els in dede a good defence for hys Adulterers to saye their synne is so natuaall that it is against their willes and so not worthy punishment At last to mitigate their synne he sayth Yf one committe a litle greuoser syn of weakeues howe do these men take on Suerly yf Adulterers had no beter patrone then this poete to