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require_v of_o he_o quiet_o enjoy_v his_o contrary_a opinion_n and_o this_o may_v tend_v as_o much_o to_o the_o peace_n and_o unity_n of_o a_o church_n as_o the_o persuasion_n of_o the_o inerrability_n thereof_o can_v be_v suppose_v to_o do_v num._n 20_o by_o this_o view_n of_o the_o latitude_n of_o these_o term_n and_o the_o limitation_n they_o be_v capable_a of_o it_o be_v now_o not_o so_o difficult_a to_o discern_v in_o what_o sense_n the_o proposition_n under_o consideration_n be_v false_a and_o in_o what_o sense_n it_o be_v true_a and_o by_o we_o acknowledge_v to_o be_v so_o num._n 21_o a_o congregation_n that_o be_v fallible_a and_o have_v no_o knowledge_n or_o assurance_n cui_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la subesse_fw-la falsum_fw-la that_o it_o be_v not_o deceive_v in_o any_o particular_a proposition_n may_v yet_o have_v authority_n to_o make_v decision_n etc._n etc._n and_o to_o require_v inferior_n so_o far_o to_o acquiesce_v to_o their_o determination_n as_o not_o to_o 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be_v make_v from_o my_o do_v that_o slight_o which_o i_o do_v not_o meddle_v with_o at_o all_o but_o then_o 3._o to_o remove_v all_o scruple_n or_o possible_a occasion_n of_o jealousy_n in_o this_o matter_n it_o be_v the_o design_n of_o chapter_n 8._o the_o method_n then_o lead_v to_o it_o under_o a_o second_o sort_n of_o schism_n to_o consider_v the_o departure_n from_o the_o unity_n of_o the_o faith_n which_o be_v but_o a_o periphrasis_n of_o heresy_n be_v consequent_o the_o define_n all_o heresy_n be_v schism_n and_o so_o the_o profess_a avow_v of_o that_o which_o he_o suspect_v i_o unwilling_a to_o have_v understand_v and_o so_o still_o there_o be_v not_o the_o least_o appearance_n of_o justice_n in_o this_o suggestion_n sect._n ii_o excommunication_n how_o it_o differ_v from_o schism_n wilful_a continuance_n under_o censure_n be_v schism_n the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n be_v not_o our_o lawful_a governor_n the_o severe_a condition_n of_o their_o communion_n num._n 1_o his_o second_o 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banish_v out_o of_o the_o kingdom_n can_v be_v guilty_a of_o the_o breach_n of_o that_o statute_n which_o forbid_v all_o subject_n go_v out_o of_o it_o nor_o be_v punish_v just_o for_o that_o which_o be_v his_o suffering_n not_o his_o deed_n his_o punishment_n not_o his_o delinquency_n num._n 4_o as_o for_o his_o wilful_a continuance_n under_o just_a censure_n the_o wilfulness_n of_o that_o certain_o make_v he_o culpable_a and_o the_o continuance_n in_o excommunication_n be_v also_o continuance_n in_o separation_n from_o the_o church_n which_o be_v schism_n whensoever_o it_o be_v voluntary_a i_o make_v no_o doubt_n of_o the_o consequence_n that_o such_o wilful_a continuance_n in_o excommunication_n be_v it_o just_a or_o unjust_a be_v actual_a schism_n suppose_v as_o the_o word_n wilful_a must_v suppose_v that_o this_o continuance_n be_v whole_o imputable_a to_o the_o will_n of_o the_o excommunicate_a i._n e._n that_o if_o he_o will_v submit_v to_o that_o which_o be_v lawful_a for_o 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eternali_fw-la city_n and_o 1._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rome_n the_o heaven-city_n and_o prudentius_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d rome_n a_o goddess_n which_o according_o have_v by_o adrian_n a_o temple_n erect_v to_o it_o and_o the_o emperor_n thereof_o and_o the_o very_a name_n of_o the_o place_n worship_v as_o a_o deity_n more_n deae_fw-la nomenque_fw-la loci_fw-la seu_fw-la numen_fw-la adorant_fw-la and_o all_o this_o upon_o this_o one_o score_n that_o it_o have_v stand_v and_o prosper_v so_o long_o num._n 7_o the_o like_a may_v be_v affirm_v of_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n build_v upon_o a_o promise_n which_o have_v more_o of_o peculiarity_n to_o the_o seed_n of_o abraham_n than_o this_o of_o mat._n 16._o can_v be_v imagine_v to_o have_v to_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n and_o yet_o that_o church_n be_v destroy_v and_o nothing_o more_o contribute_v to_o the_o provocation_n and_o merit_n of_o that_o destruction_n than_o their_o own_o confidence_n of_o be_v unperishable_a the_o best_a admonition_n in_o this_o respect_n be_v that_o of_o the_o apostle_n be_v you_o not_o high_a mind_v but_o fear_n and_o if_o god_n spare_v not_o the_o natural_a branch_n take_v heed_n also_o lest_o he_o spare_v not_o you_o and_o this_o gentleman_n can_v be_v ignorant_a what_o 2._o church_n it_o be_v that_o be_v then_o capable_a of_o this_o exhortation_n and_o the_o very_o make_v this_o matter_n of_o argument_n and_o in_o this_o respect_n not_o of_o purity_n but_o of_o duration_n exalt_v the_o romanist_n church_n above_o all_o other_o church_n in_o these_o word_n none_o other_o can_v compare_v with_o he_o as_o it_o be_v one_o character_n which_o determine_v the_o speech_n to_o the_o particular_a church_n of_o rome_n for_o else_o how_o can_v he_o speak_v of_o other_o and_o affirm_v that_o they_o can_v compare_v so_o it_o be_v no_o very_o humble_a or_o consequent_o christian_a expression_n in_o this_o gentleman_n num._n 8_o what_o he_o add_v out_o of_o master_n 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