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A10008 Ane oration made by Master Theodore de Beze, minister of the word of God, accompanyed with. xi. other ministers and. xx. deputies of the refourmed churches of the realme of Fraunce, in the presence of the king, ... Tuesday the ix. day of September, 1561, in the noonnery of Poyssy. Truely gathered and set forth in suct sort as it was spoken by the said de Beze. Whereunto is added a brief declaration exhibited by the said Beze, to the Quene the mother, the next morowe after the making of the said oration, touching certain poyntes conteyned in the same; Harangue faicte par M. Théodore de Bèze. English. Bèze, Théodore de, 1519-1605. 1561 (1561) STC 2026; ESTC S119256 20,389 80

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diuert and draw subiectes from their obedience which they ought to beare to their Princes and superiours we haue Sire to answere thē withal in good and vpright consciences Trueth it is that we do teache the chiese and principall obedienonce to be due to God kinge of kinges and Lord ouer all lordes For the rest if oure writinges be not sufficient to purge vs of that foule faute laid vnto oure charge we will for oure defence Sire alleage the example of so manie prouinces Seignories Principalities yea and Realmes refourmed accordinge vnto this selfe same doctrine whiche God be thanked may serue vs for good and sufficient witnesses to discharge vs. To be shorte we do in this point cleane to S. Paules saying in the 13. Chapiter of his Epistle to the Romains where speaking of the temporall pollicie he enioyneth enery man expressely to be subiect to the higher powers Yea saith Saint Chrisostome vpon the same place though thou were an Apostle or Euangeliste for such subiection taketh nothing awaye from the seruice of God And in case it hath heretofore happened or may hereafter happen that any cloking them selues with oure doctrine shal be founde culpable of R●bellion to the worste of youre officers Sire we proteste before God and your Maiestie that they be none of ours and that they can haue no greater enemies to them so doing then we be so farre as oure poore estate and condition can reach To make an end Sire oure bounden duetie to do the beste we can for the aduauncing of Gods glorie the obedience and humble seruice whiche we owe to your Maiestie the zeale and affection that we beare to oure countrey and specialie to the Churche of God hath this daye brought vs hyther trustynge to Almyghtye God that folowing the course of his goodnes and mercies he will with his grace work in you as he did in litle king Iosias ij thousand two hundred and two yeres 〈◊〉 the 〈◊〉 of 〈◊〉 auar●●● sithen And that vnder your gracious gouernement Madame being assisted with you Sire and other right honorable Princes and Lordes of the Councell the auncient memorie of the most famous Quene Clotilde shal be renued by whose good meane as Gods instrument the knowledge of his religion was brought into this Realine This is our full trust Sire for the bringing of whiche thing to passe we are readye to employ oure liues to the end that seruing your Maiestie in a thinge so holy and so commendable we may se and enioye the true golden world in the which our Lord and Sauiour Iesus Christ maye be serued to whome be honour and glorie for euer Amen Here Master de Beze and his companie bowed their knees to the grounde and afterwarde rysing againe he presented a confession to the king containing the faith of certaine refourmed Churches in Fraunce in suche sort as foloweth Sire we beseche your Maiestie that it maye please the same to haue no regarde to oure rude and yll polyshed language but to waye oure good wylles and affections altogether dedicated to you And forasmuche as the pointes and articles of our faith and doctrine bee plainely and at better lenght conteined in this present confession af oure faith which we haue once already presented to your Maiestie whereupon the present conference is to procede we humbly beseche youre Maiestie to shewe vs againe so muche fauour as to receiue it at oure ●andes in this place trusting by the helpe of the grace of almightie God that after we shall haue conferred together in all sobrietie and reuerence of his Name you s●all finde vs all of one accorde And in case oure sinnes shal be a let that it shall not so come to passe yet doubt we not but that your Maiestie with his good Councel shal be hable to bringe the thing to a quiet ende without preiudice of either partie as to reason and Gods honour shal seme beste to appertaine FINIS A briefe writing exhibited by Master Theodore de Beze to the Quene Mother at Poissy the x. day of September containing a declaration of certaine pointes proponed by him the day before in the presence of the King the Quene Mother the king of Nauarre c. Being present also there a nomber of Cardinalles and Bisshoppes and other Ministers of the Church 1561. ❧ To the Quene MADAME whereas your right humble seruaunt Theodore de Beze hath some occasion to feare that your Maiestie should not remaine satisfied with a speache that passed from him yesterday in the declaration of a matter whiche to his great griefe was by my Lordes the Prelates foūde verye strange He moste humble desireth your Maistie that it maye please you to vnderstand at better lenght suche purpose as he could not then sufficiently expresse by reason of a noyse reased in suche sort as the knitting vp of his matter was not harde nor conceiued of the hearers accordynge as his desire was it shoulde haue bene and as he ment to haue had it Madame the cause that ledde me to enter to that matter was for that there are manye that for lack of good vnderstanding of the confession of oure faith do thinke oure teaching to be to shutte out Iesus Christ from his holy Supper whiche were a manifest impietie For we do knowe thankes be geuen to God that that blessed Sacrament was ordeined by the Sonne of God to the ende that being made more and more partakers of the substaunce of his very bodye and of his very blood we mought be so muche the nere vnited and incorporated with him to drawe to vs thereby the eternall lyfe And doutlesse if it were otherwise it should not be the Supper of the Lord. And Madame so farre be we from willing or meaning to say that Christe is absente from his Supper as contrarily there are no kinde of menne that can lesse beare such a sacriledge then we Trueth it is that there is a great difference to say that Iesus Christ is present at his holy Supper geuing vnto vs there at his very body and very blood and to say that his body and blood are ioyned with the breade and the wine I haue confessed the firste which is the principall The last I haue denied for that I take it to be directely against the veritie of the humaine nature of the bodye of Christ and to the article of the Ascention as it is conteined in the holie Scripture and declared by all the auncient Doctours of the Church I will not here alleage manye places and reasons Onely Madame I beseche your Maiestie moste humbly to waye and consider with your selfe whether of the two opinions carieth with it the more honour to the word and ordinaunce of God eyther that which woulde make vs to beleue that we can not be made partakers of the body of Christe vnlesse it be put and ioyned really with the Sacrament or els the other that teacheth vs that albeit his body doth presently remaine in heauen and not elswhere
to winne at your Maiesties handes the rather yf thereby it come to passe which God graunt it may that this our comming hither may bring with it an end not so muche of oure owne thraldomes and miseries the memory whereof is halfe extincte by the good happe of this daye as of a number of troubles disorders whiche hath ben alwayes to vs more greuous then death coulde haue ben fallen vpon the Realme with the ruyne and destruction of so great a number of your subiectes Manye and diuerse occasions be there that hath hytherto kept vs from the enioyinge of so great a grace whereof we should yet be in dispaire were it not that one the other side many other thinges do maintaine our good hope and put vs in some assuraunce First there is by the malice and iniquitie of the tyme an assured perswasion rooted in manye mens heartes that we be vnquiet troublesome and ambitious men geuen to our fantasies and enemies of al concorde and tranquilitie Others there be perhaps who suppose that albeit it may be that we be not altogether enemies of concord yet that we do demaund it and bee content to come to it with so sharpe and heard condicions as were not conuenient we should with them be receyued as though we pretēded to ouerturne the present state of the world and to make a new of our owne fashionyng and to spoyle a number of their goods and riches to enriche our selues withall There are besides these Sire sundry other lyke or rather greater lettes but we desire rather that the memorie of them may be buried then to renewe by the rehearsall of them olde sores being now come not to complaine or to open griefes but to seke out the most conuenient spedie remedye for them And who then geueth vs such an assuraunce in the middes of so many lettes and hinderaunces It is not Sire the leaning to any thinge that is in oure selues who be in all respectes the basest and most vile in estimacion of any sort of men Neither is it GOD therefore bee thanked vaine presumption or arrogauncie for oure poore low estate beareth it not It is Sire rather our vpryght conscience which assureth vs that our cause is good and iust of the which we trust God wil be protectour and defendour It is also the natural goodnes whiche we doe note in your face speache countenance It is the equitie which To the Quene mother we see and learne by experience to be grauen in your heart Madame It is the righteousnes and To the King of Nauarre vpryghtnesse in iudgement which we finde in you Sire and in the rest of thee blood royall And a great and manifest occasion haue we to hope well in that our trust is that you my right honorable lordes of the Counsayle reducing The co●● sa●●e yourselfe all to one conformitie of good meaninge will haue no lesse good will and affection to graunt vnto vs so holy and necessarie an agreement as we haue to receiue it And what more There is yet one thinge that enterteineth vs in right good confidence And that is that we do presume according to the rule of charitie that you my lordes the Prelates with Prelates whome we haue to conferre will rather do your best with vs according to oure little measure to set forth and bring to light the trueth then to darken it to teach rather then to contende to waye our reasons rather thē to trauaill to argue against them And finallye rather to staye that the disease go no further then to make it incurable and deadly This is the Prelates opinion we haue conceiued of you my Lordes beseching you in the Name of that great God the hath brought vs here together and that shal be iudge bothe of our thoughtes and sayinges that notwithstanding whatsoeuer hathe bene spoken written or done in the space of these xl yeares paste or there about you will spoile your selues like as for oure parte we minde to do the same of all suche passions and preiudices as maye hinder the good fruite that is to be trusted shall succede of so holy and commandable an enterprise and that it may please you to perswade your selfes in the whiche opinion God willing you shal not be deceiued that you shall fynde in vs a sprite tractable and ready to receiue whatsoeuer shal be proued by the pure worde of God Thinke not that we be come hither to maintaine anye errour but to disclose and to amende whatsoeuer may be founde out of the waye eyther on your syde or on ours Esteme vs not so outragiouslye presumptuous that we wolde once pretend to ouerthrow that we knowe to be eternall to witt the Churche of God Neyther do you beleue that we go about and seke meanes to mak you like vnto vs in our poore and vile effate wherewith neuerthelesse thankes be geuen to God we find our selues very well contented Our desire is to haue the ruynes of Ierusalem repaired the spirituall temple to be set vp agayne the house of God whiche is builte with liuing stones to be sette agayne in his entier estate and that the flockes so scattered and strayed by the iust vengeaunce of God and negligence of man may be knitte together againe and brought in one companye to the shepefolde of him that is the soueraigne and onely shepheard This is the mark we shoote at This is our whole meanyng desire intent my Lordes whiche in case heretofore you haue hardly beleued our truste is that you will be easely brought to the belief of it when we shall haue declared to you by conference suche matter as hath pleased God to endue vs with in all modestie and pacience And woulde God that without any further trauaylling we mought in the stede of arguing one against the other all with one voyce synge a songe vnto the Lord and offer oure handes the one syde to the other as it hath chaunsed at some tymes past betwene two armyes of Pagans Infidelles set in battaile array A foule shame must it nedes be to vs that professinge the state of preachers of the doctrine of peace and concorde we be so easely set a sunder and so harde ▪ and vneasy ▪ to be tyed againe together in ●ne vnitie But what shall we say ▪ Men maye and ought to wyshe that all thinges were well but it is God alone that must graunt ●t whiche he wyll do when it shall please him to couer oure sinnes with his goodnesse and chase awaye oure darkenesse with his lyght And hauing thus muche said Sire to the intent it may be knowen that our meaning is to proceade with good and vpright consciences simply plainly and roundly we meane if your Maiestie geue vs leaue so to do to declare in a short fourme the principal points of this conference in such sort as God willing no man shall haue iust cause to be therwith offended There are some men that