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will_v excuse_v the_o gross_a idolatry_n in_o the_o world_n and_o in_o compare_v two_o person_n one_o worship_v christ_n as_o real_o present_a in_o the_o sun_n another_o christ_n as_o real_o present_a in_o the_o sacrament_n he_o say_v as_o inconsiderate_o as_o magisterial_o that_o suppose_v a_o mistake_n in_o both_o we_o be_v not_o to_o inquire_v into_o the_o reason_n of_o the_o mistake_n i._n e._n as_o he_o say_v before_o concern_v the_o probability_n of_o the_o one_o mistake_v more_o than_o of_o the_o other_o but_o the_o influence_n it_o have_v upon_o our_o action_n so_o he_o but_o what_o be_v more_o manifest_a than_o that_o the_o influence_n which_o a_o mistake_n have_v upon_o our_o action_n as_o to_o make_v they_o culpable_a or_o innocent_a be_v not_o always_o the_o same_o but_o very_o various_a and_o often_o contrary_a render_v they_o sometime_o blameless_a sometime_o faulty_a according_a as_o the_o mistake_n be_v ex_fw-la â—r_n in-excusable_a next_o he_o grant_v ibid._n §_o 5._o a_o catholic_n tradition_n of_o transubstantiation_n to_o be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o adoration_n but_o the_o cacholick_a tradition_n that_o be_v plead_v here_o necessary_a for_o adoration_n be_v only_o that_o of_o a_o corporal_a presence_n now_o for_o a_o sufficient_a evidence_n of_o such_o a_o tradition_n i_o refer_v the_o conscientious_a reader_n to_o what_o have_v be_v say_v before_o wave_v that_o of_o transubstantiation_n as_o to_o this_o controversy_n though_o the_o same_o catholic_n tradition_n authorize_v both_o namely_o a_o corporal_a presence_n by_o a_o mutation_n of_o the_o element_n into_o our_o lord_n body_n this_o from_o §_o 24._o of_o the_o rational_a ground_n catholic_n have_v for_o their_o adoration_n §_o 30_o 8ly_n for_o such_o rational_a ground_n therefore_o of_o their_o worship_n as_o be_v here_o give_v and_o not_o from_o any_o excess_n of_o charity_n or_o from_o the_o singular_a fancy_n of_o some_o few_o though_o learned_a man_n as_o dr._n stillingfleet_n in_o his_o preface_n to_o roman_a idolatry_n will_v insinuate_v idolatry_n be_v by_o many_o protestant_n of_o late_a either_o not_o at_o all_o or_o but_o faint_o charge_v on_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n for_o first_o see_v mr._n thorndike_n in_o his_o epilogue_n 3._o l._n 30._o c._n p._n 350._o i_o say_v first_o say_v he_o that_o the_o adoration_n of_o the_o eucharist_n which_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n prescribe_v be_v not_o necessary_o idolatry_n i_o say_v not_o what_o it_o may_v be_v accidental_o by_o that_o intention_n which_o some_o man_n may_v conceal_v and_o may_v make_v it_o idolatry_n as_o to_o god_n but_o i_o speak_v upon_o supposition_n of_o that_o intention_n which_o the_o profession_n of_o the_o church_n form_v and_o in_o his_o just_a weight_n c._n 19_o p._n 125._o they_o who_o give_v the_o honour_n proper_a to_o god_n to_o his_o creature_n be_v idolater_n they_o that_o worship_v the_o host_n give_v the_o honour_n due_a to_o god_n to_o his_o creature_n this_o be_v take_v for_o a_o demonstration_n that_o the_o worship_n of_o the_o host_n