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herself_o off_o form_n the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n answ_n if_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v spread_v over_o the_o face_n of_o the_o whole_a earth_n except_v here_o in_o england_n and_o nothing_o will_v serve_v but_o we_o or_o they_o must_v be_v the_o catholic_n church_n reason_n will_v require_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v be_v so_o which_o be_v the_o better_a and_o not_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n which_o will_v be_v but_o the_o big_a church_n but_o we_o pretend_v not_o to_o be_v the_o catholic_n church_n because_o we_o neither_o need_v nor_o aught_o to_o boast_v beyond_o truth_n the_o sacrament_n we_o embrace_v be_v receive_v by_o all_o christian_a church_n in_o the_o world_n and_o no_o church_n ought_v to_o receive_v any_o more_o we_o embrace_v the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o other_o reform_a church_n and_o use_v our_o own_o as_o they_o use_v their_o own_o and_o embrace_v we_o we_o embrace_v all_o that_o honest_a christian_o can_v embrace_v in_o the_o liturgy_n of_o the_o unreformed_a and_o we_o reject_v the_o rest_n we_o have_v not_o cut_v ourselves_o off_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n but_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n have_v do_v so_o because_o she_o be_v resolve_v to_o be_v all_o or_o nothing_o sect._n 2_o quer._n do_v she_o allow_v the_o sacrament_n of_o lutheran_n or_o calvinist_n answ_n she_o allow_v and_o administer_v the_o same_o sacrament_n that_o lutheran_n and_o calvinist_n do_v not_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n celebrate_v by_o they_o or_o by_o any_o other_o but_o because_o they_o be_v sacrament_n institute_v by_o christ._n sect._n 3_o quer._n from_o whence_o be_v cranmer_n that_o first_o patriarch_n or_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n send_v who_o give_v he_o authority_n to_o preach_v his_o reform_a gospel_n be_v it_o just_a or_o honest_a for_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n by_o virtue_n of_o a_o commission_n from_o she_o receive_v and_o if_o so_o i_o pray_v inform_v i_o whether_o a_o bishop_n or_o minister_n fall_v from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n may_v not_o also_o take_v upon_o he_o to_o preach_v against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n by_o pretence_n of_o the_o order_n receive_v from_o her_o hand_n answ_n cranmer_z be_v immediate_o send_v by_o the_o bishop_n that_o ordain_v and_o consecrate_a he_o original_o by_o christ_n who_o leave_v that_o power_n in_o the_o church_n by_o which_o they_o do_v so_o so_o far_o therefore_o as_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n he_o do_v what_o become_v his_o mission_n better_a than_o if_o he_o have_v go_v on_o to_o maintain_v false_a doctrine_n as_o the_o patriarch_n of_o rome_n do_v that_o he_o be_v the_o first_o reformer_n be_v not_o his_o fault_n but_o they_o who_o go_v before_o he_o in_o that_o great_a station_n and_o shall_v have_v do_v the_o same_o thing_n but_o do_v it_o not_o the_o gospel_n which_o he_o preach_v be_v not_o the_o gospel_n of_o man_n and_o therefore_o not_o his_o own_o but_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n nor_o be_v it_o proper_o a_o reform_a gospel_n which_o he_o preach_v since_o the_o gospel_n of_o christ_n be_v in_o all_o age_n one_o and_o the_o same_o but_o if_o because_o he_o reform_v the_o profession_n of_o the_o church_n in_o some_o thing_n which_o be_v no_o part_n of_o the_o gospel_n though_o they_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v so_o he_o must_v be_v say_v to_o have_v preach_v a_o reform_a gospel_n neither_o be_v he_o to_o blame_v for_o that_o who_o duty_n it_o be_v to_o cast_v error_n out_o of_o the_o church_n but_o they_o only_o be_v to_o blame_v who_o have_v be_v so_o careless_a and_o treacherous_a as_o to_o let_v they_o in_o he_o do_v rise_v up_o against_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n when_o he_o arise_v against_o the_o corruption_n of_o that_o church_n which_o have_v obtain_v in_o england_n unless_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n can_v subsist_v without_o such_o notorious_a error_n as_o he_o rise_v up_o against_o he_o be_v not_o her_o enemy_n unless_o he_o become_v so_o by_o tell_v she_o the_o truth_n nor_o be_v it_o true_a that_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n from_o rome_n though_o he_o receive_v it_o by_o the_o hand_n of_o bishop_n that_o be_v in_o servitude_n to_o that_o see_v for_o his_o commission_n have_v be_v every_o whit_n as_o good_a if_o they_o have_v not_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o roman_a bishop_n as_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v be_v but_o since_o his_o obligation_n to_o christ_n from_o who_o he_o receive_v his_o commission_n by_o their_o hand_n be_v infinite_o great_a than_o to_o they_o it_o be_v just_a and_o honest_a in_o he_o to_o rise_v up_o against_o those_o unchristian_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n which_o they_o maintain_v and_o no_o less_o justifiable_a than_o to_o have_v rise_v up_o against_o the_o arian_n heresy_n if_o he_o have_v receive_v his_o order_n from_o arian_n bishop_n and_o if_o ever_o the_o church_n of_o england_n shall_v fall_v into_o the_o like_a corruption_n again_o which_o god_n forbid_v those_o bishop_n and_o minister_n that_o have_v receive_v order_n from_o her_o hand_n and_o who_o in_o discharge_n thereof_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o preach_v not_o against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o against_o the_o wicked_a doctrine_n and_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n those_o bishop_n etc._n etc._n i_o say_v will_v do_v not_o only_o what_o they_o may_v but_o what_o they_o ought_v to_o do_v and_o for_o the_o do_v of_o which_o they_o shall_v be_v reward_v at_o the_o last_o day_n by_o the_o great_a bishop_n and_o shepherd_n of_o soul_n by_o who_o authority_n and_o command_n they_o so_o do_v sect._n 4_o quer._n whether_o want_n of_o mission_n be_v not_o a_o error_n in_o the_o foundation_n of_o any_o church_n it_o be_v theft_n and_o robbery_n as_o our_o saviour_n have_v teach_v we_o not_o to_o enter_v by_o the_o door_n into_o the_o sheepfold_n answ_n that_o cranmer_n do_v or_o that_o our_o pastor_n now_o do_v want_n mission_n be_v falsehood_n insinuate_v by_o this_o query_n their_o mission_n have_v be_v more_o canonical_a than_o that_o of_o many_o of_o your_o pope_n have_v be_v but_o for_o once_o to_o answer_v direct_o to_o a_o impertinent_a question_n the_o want_n of_o such_o mission_n do_v not_o destroy_v the_o be_v or_o as_o you_o call_v it_o the_o foundation_n of_o a_o church_n nor_o be_v that_o the_o door_n of_o which_o our_o saviour_n speak_v in_o joh._n x._o since_o in_o the_o need_v of_o the_o church_n good_a shepherd_n may_v come_v into_o the_o fold_n without_o canonical_a mission_n and_o it_o have_v on_o the_o other_o side_n too_o often_o happen_v that_o thief_n and_o robber_n have_v come_v into_o the_o fold_n by_o it_o who_o come_v not_o but_o for_o to_o steal_v and_o to_o kill_v and_o to_o destroy_v sect._n 5_o quer._n whether_o cranmer_n enter_v by_o the_o parliament_n door_n or_o by_o the_o gate_n of_o the_o scripture_n but_o this_o latter_a be_v the_o old_a song_n of_o heretic_n and_o sectary_n perpetual_o boast_v of_o scripture_n i_o demand_v therefore_o do_v not_o the_o bible_n admit_v of_o various_a interpretation_n whence_o of_o necessity_n some_o judge_n be_v to_o be_v assign_v to_o determine_v which_o be_v the_o true_a interpretation_n unless_o your_o inclination_n be_v to_o wrangle_v to_o all_o eternity_n answ_n to_o the_o first_o of_o these_o profound_a interrogation_n i_o answer_v thus_o that_o if_o cranmer_n enter_v by_o the_o parliament_n door_n it_o be_v a_o door_n at_o which_o you_o whoever_o you_o be_v will_v be_v glad_a to_o enter_v too_o provide_v you_o can_v get_v in_o without_o first_o pass_v the_o gate_n of_o the_o scripture_n which_o you_o shut_v up_o against_o man_n for_o you_o neither_o go_v in_o yourselves_o neither_o suffer_v you_o they_o that_o be_v enter_v to_o go_v in_o for_o your_o say_n
against_o he_o sect._n 9_o quer._n but_o more_o common_a answer_n be_v that_o every_o national_a church_n may_v reform_v itself_o be_v it_o so_o then_o it_o follow_v scotland_n may_v reform_v itself_o to_o calvinism_n saxony_n to_o lutheranism_n etc._n etc._n answ_n and_o so_o you_o leave_v we_o to_o gather_v the_o rest_n in_o this_o manner_n but_o scotland_n ought_v not_o to_o reform_v to_o calvinism_n saxony_n to_o lutheranism_n and_o therefore_o a_o national_a church_n may_v not_o reform_v itself_o which_o be_v as_o much_o as_o to_o say_v that_o because_o the_o national_a churches_n which_o reform_v themselves_o do_v not_o all_o of_o they_o agree_v in_o every_o point_n of_o doctrine_n and_o discipline_n with_o one_o another_o therefore_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v reform_v the_o most_o manifest_a abuse_n notorious_a error_n in_o the_o take_n a_o way_n of_o which_o they_o all_o agree_v if_o you_o intend_v to_o insinuate_v that_o we_o confess_v some_o defect_n in_o this_o or_o that_o national_a church_n since_o they_o reform_v your_o argument_n be_v just_a such_o another_o as_o this_o because_o the_o national_a church_n in_o reform_v themselves_o do_v not_o do_v every_o good_a thing_n which_o they_o may_v therefore_o they_o ought_v not_o to_o have_v do_v the_o good_a which_o they_o do_v you_o may_v sir_n observe_v if_o you_o please_v that_o the_o authority_n of_o any_o national_a church_n to_o reform_v itself_o do_v not_o imply_v it_o to_o be_v a_o indifferent_a thing_n how_o she_o proceed_v in_o do_v it_o nor_o do_v it_o follow_v that_o because_o it_o be_v possible_a for_o a_o national_a church_n to_o use_v authority_n in_o this_o matter_n better_a or_o worse_o therefore_o she_o have_v no_o authority_n at_o all_o in_o it_o if_o you_o be_v ignorant_a of_o these_o thing_n you_o do_v well_o to_o make_v query_n upon_o they_o but_o it_o shall_v have_v be_v do_v modest_o and_o without_o pretend_v to_o dispute_v of_o thing_n in_o which_o you_o be_v so_o very_o unskilful_a quer._n moreover_o it_o be_v false_a that_o the_o change_n of_o religion_n be_v make_v here_o in_o england_n by_o vote_n of_o the_o national_a church_n or_o clergy_n of_o england_n no_o no_o but_o by_o the_o giddiness_n of_o a_o few_o during_o the_o minority_n of_o edward_n vi._n be_v then_o a_o child_n of_o ten_o year_n old_a read_v the_o annal_n of_o those_o time_n even_a fox_n himself_o where_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o almost_o all_o the_o english_a bishop_n cranmer_z and_z two_o or_o three_o more_o except_v be_v utter_o against_o the_o pretend_a reformation_n sect._n 10_o answ_n if_o the_o reformation_n be_v not_o a_o pretend_a only_o but_o a_o real_a reformation_n and_o if_o all_o the_o english_a bishop_n almost_o be_v against_o it_o the_o more_o to_o blame_v they_o but_o the_o reformation_n be_v not_o the_o less_o necessary_a truth_n be_v to_o be_v follow_v with_o a_o few_o if_o they_o be_v but_o few_o that_o follow_v it_o but_o thou_o shall_v not_o follow_v a_o multitude_n to_o do_v evil_a it_o be_v better_a to_o be_v in_o the_o right_n with_o a_o young_a king_n though_o he_o be_v but_o a_o child_n than_o to_o be_v in_o the_o wrong_n with_o a_o old_a pope_n but_o for_o what_o you_o say_v that_o the_o change_n of_o religion_n in_o england_n be_v make_v by_o the_o giddiness_n of_o a_o few_o it_o be_v notorious_o false_a for_o they_o be_v but_o few_o in_o comparison_n that_o oppose_v it_o and_o it_o be_v so_o general_o receive_v that_o fire_n and_o faggot_n in_o the_o next_o reign_n be_v not_o able_a to_o destroy_v it_o sect._n 11_o quer._n yet_o let_v we_o suppose_v but_o not_o grant_v religion_n to_o have_v be_v reform_v here_o by_o the_o major_a part_n of_o the_o english_a clergy_n i_o understand_v not_o how_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a for_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v in_o actual_a communion_n with_o the_o catholic_n church_n to_o separate_v itself_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n answ_n she_o have_v not_o separate_v herself_o from_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o body_n though_o she_o have_v not_o now_o for_o some_o time_n be_v in_o actual_a conjunction_n with_o one_o part_n of_o it_o and_o that_o the_o most_o corrupt_a part_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n the_o true_a reason_n whereof_o be_v that_o you_o will_v have_v no_o communion_n with_o we_o but_o we_o must_v pay_v for_o it_o at_o the_o price_n of_o our_o soul_n if_o to_o reform_v ourselves_o be_v to_o separate_v from_o your_o church_n look_v you_o to_o that_o who_o have_v it_o seem_v make_v both_o these_o thing_n to_o be_v in_o effect_n the_o same_o thing_n by_o your_o hate_v to_o be_v reform_v we_o for_o our_o part_n be_v amaze_v that_o man_n who_o talk_v so_o much_o for_o unity_n of_o communion_n will_v not_o do_v that_o for_o the_o sake_n of_o unity_n which_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v though_o discord_n and_o separation_n will_v certain_o follow_v upon_o it_o sect._n 12_o quer._n if_o you_o say_v this_o be_v not_o do_v by_o fault_n of_o the_o english_a church_n but_o of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n obtrude_a on_o the_o world_n her_o error_n and_o corruption_n i_o answer_v in_o short_a that_o all_o heretic_n themselves_o be_v judge_n will_v escape_v condemnation_n and_o father_n let_v the_o reader_n take_v notice_n that_o all_o presbyterian_o be_v wont_a to_o urge_v this_o very_a instance_n in_o their_o own_o defence_n against_o the_o church_n england_n to_o wit_n that_o they_o have_v leave_v only_o the_o error_n and_o corruption_n of_o the_o english_a church_n answ_n if_o you_o say_v this_o be_v not_o do_v by_o fault_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n refuse_v to_o submit_v to_o the_o supreme_a pastor_n and_o reject_v the_o catholic_n faith_n i_o answer_v in_o short_a that_o all_o usurper_n and_o deceiver_n themselves_o be_v judge_n will_v escape_v condemnation_n and_o far_o let_v the_o reader_n take_v notice_n that_o though_o this_o plea_n of_o forsake_v the_o error_n of_o a_o church_n lie_v in_o the_o middle_a to_o be_v take_v up_o by_o every_o one_o that_o separate_v from_o a_o church_n yet_o one_o may_v take_v it_o up_o with_o very_a good_a reason_n against_o one_o church_n while_o another_o lay_n hold_v on_o it_o without_o any_o just_a cause_n for_o so_o do_v against_o another_o church_n nor_o ought_v it_o to_o be_v esteem_v any_o prejudice_n against_o use_v such_o a_o plea_n when_o there_o be_v cause_n for_o it_o that_o other_o may_v use_v when_o there_o be_v none_o for_o otherwise_o it_o be_v impossible_a that_o the_o innocent_a shall_v ever_o make_v a_o good_a plea_n for_o themselves_o since_o they_o that_o be_v guilty_a may_v if_o they_o can_v but_o speak_v take_v the_o same_o word_n into_o their_o mouth_n when_o the_o two_o apostle_n say_v to_o the_o council_n whether_o it_o be_v right_a in_o the_o sight_n of_o god_n to_o hearken_v anto_n you_o more_o than_o unto_o god_n judge_v you_o they_o may_v have_v be_v tell_v that_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o what_o every_o deceiver_n may_v say_v and_o yet_o i_o suppose_v you_o will_v not_o deny_v but_o the_o plea_n in_o their_o mouth_n be_v a_o very_a just_a and_o sufficient_a plea._n sect._n 13_o quer._n whether_o the_o true_a service_n of_o god_n have_v be_v corrupt_v throughout_o the_o whole_a world_n before_o cranmer_n rise_v if_o not_o tell_v i_o in_o what_o province_n of_o the_o earth_n do_v exist_v whether_o among_o the_o waldenses_n but_o i_o be_o ignorant_a from_o whence_o peter_n waldo_n the_o merchant_n of_o lion_n receive_v his_o mission_n nor_o do_v i_o know_v whether_o his_o sacrament_n be_v approve_v by_o the_o church_n of_o england_n answ_n the_o whole_a world_n be_v a_o very_a wide_a place_n and_o the_o query_n be_v a_o very_a impertinent_a query_n for_o whether_o the_o true_a service_n of_o god_n bid_v be_v corrupt_v throughout_o the_o whole_a world_n before_o cramner_n rise_n or_o not_o one_o thing_n we_o be_v sure_a of_o that_o it_o be_v most_o vile_o corrupt_v here_o and_o 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spirit_n of_o our_o english_a representer_n and_o those_o for_o who_o he_o undertake_v who_o all_o deny_v it_o be_v the_o same_o spirit_n if_o not_o than_o both_o can_v be_v of_o god._n sect._n 22_o quer._n be_v not_o john_n calvin_n a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n in_o assume_v to_o himself_o the_o office_n of_o reform_v the_o world_n be_v but_o a_o young_a man_n of_o twenty_o five_o or_o twenty_o six_o year_n of_o age_n and_o without_o all_o pretence_n of_o miracle_n a_o thing_n which_o christ_n himself_o undertake_v not_o under_o thirty_o year_n of_o age_n answ_n i_o think_v indeed_o geneva_n may_v pass_v for_o the_o world_n by_o the_o same_o figure_n that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n go_v for_o the_o catholic_n church_n when_o the_o world_n groan_v for_o a_o reformation_n i_o do_v not_o see_v where_o lie_v the_o impudence_n of_o try_v by_o good_a doctrine_n and_o example_n to_o reform_v that_o part_n of_o it_o where_o one_o life_n unless_o it_o lie_v in_o be_v impudent_o and_o brave_o good_a which_o be_v sometime_o necessary_a to_o give_v a_o check_n to_o impudence_n in_o that_o which_o be_v bad._n if_o he_o be_v a_o young_a man_n that_o take_v this_o upon_o himself_o he_o be_v the_o more_o to_o be_v commend_v and_o if_o he_o can_v fair_o carry_v the_o reformation_n beyond_o his_o own_o country_n this_o be_v still_o more_o commendable_a and_o if_o he_o can_v reform_v the_o whole_a world_n than_o i_o say_v for_o that_o which_o you_o call_v impudence_n generation_n to_o come_v aught_o to_o rise_v up_o to_o his_o name_n and_o call_v it_o bless_v you_o ought_v not_o i_o tell_v you_o to_o despise_v john_n calvin_n youth_n as_o one_o of_o your_o great_a one_o do_v luther_n meanness_n who_o hear_v the_o auspurg_n confession_n read_v say_v to_o his_o confident_a that_o these_o thing_n indeed_o be_v true_a but_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v endure_v that_o a_o pitiful_a monk_n shall_v reform_v the_o world._n but_o if_o nothing_o else_o will_v satisfy_v you_o but_o it_o must_v be_v impudence_n in_o a_o young_a man_n to_o think_v of_o reform_v the_o place_n where_o he_o live_v yet_o at_o least_o do_v not_o represent_v he_o as_o a_o most_o impudent_a creature_n for_o as_o i_o take_v it_o there_o be_v a_o long_a row_n of_o pope_n from_o formosus_fw-la downward_o who_o if_o your_o own_o historian_n be_v to_o be_v credit_v shall_v compare_v with_o john_n calvin_n in_o this_o point_n not_o of_o reform_v the_o world_n but_o the_o other_o and_o shall_v get_v the_o better_a of_o he_o by_o much_o and_o among_o these_o there_o be_v one_o john_n xi_o son_n to_o sergius_n iii_o one_o of_o his_o predecessor_n who_o be_v something_o less_o modest_a than_o john_n calvin_n in_o as_o much_o as_o be_v yet_o but_o a_o boy_n he_o take_v upon_o himself_o to_o be_v head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o our_o john_n i_o dare_v say_v will_v never_o have_v accept_v any_o time_n of_o his_o life_n indeed_o the_o young_a pope_n be_v thus_o far_o to_o be_v excuse_v that_o he_o be_v put_v into_o the_o chair_n by_o merocia_n who_o though_o she_o be_v not_o sergius_n wife_n be_v yet_o john_n mother_n for_o donna_n olympia_n be_v not_o the_o first_o of_o her_o quality_n that_o sway_v all_o at_o rome_n sect._n 23_o quer._n whether_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n have_v not_o issue_v all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n tumult_n plunder_v of_o church_n schism_n and_o civil_a war_n which_o break_v out_o in_o the_o year_n 1641._o answ_n no_o true_o for_o since_o the_o reformation_n the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v lend_v neither_o principle_n nor_o example_n nor_o counsel_n nor_o arm_n nor_o man_n nor_o money_n to_o carry_v on_o rebellion_n or_o rapine_n the_o world_n see_v that_o she_o stick_v by_o her_o royal_a master_n to_o to_o the_o last_o and_o if_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v her_o interest_n to_o do_v so_o then_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v grant_v that_o she_o have_v at_o other_o time_n give_v proof_n of_o a_o high_a principle_n nor_o can_v you_o without_o rub_v your_o forehead_n question_v the_o strictness_n of_o her_o loyalty_n who_o begin_v some_o of_o you_o to_o laugh_v at_o she_o for_o it_o i_o hope_v you_o will_v not_o say_v that_o the_o irish_a rebellion_n which_o break_v the_o ice_n for_o all_o those_o slaughter_v rapine_n etc._n etc._n which_o you_o mention_v to_o come_v after_o it_o that_o that_o issue_v too_o from_o the_o womb_n of_o the_o reformation_n i_o think_v this_o query_n have_v better_a rest_n lest_o when_o the_o mother_n of_o that_o offspring_n be_v agree_v upon_o we_o shall_v be_v tempt_v to_o inquire_v who_o be_v the_o father_n of_o it_o sect._n 24_o quer._n whether_o africa_n produce_v more_o variety_n of_o monster_n than_o britain_n do_v fanatic_n where_o every_o man_n may_v read_v and_o interpret_v the_o scripture_n according_a to_o his_o own_o judgement_n of_o discretion_n answ_n i_o know_v pretty_a well_o what_o fanatic_n britain_n have_v produce_v but_o what_o variety_n of_o monster_n africa_n produce_v i_o can_v well_o say_v the_o sure_a way_n to_o be_v satisfy_v be_v to_o go_v thither_o yourself_o for_o author_n be_v not_o agree_v but_o if_o by_o fanatic_n you_o mean_v false_a pretender_n to_o inspiration_n you_o may_v take_v your_o comparison_n near_a home_n where_o it_o be_v as_o much_o as_o a_o man_n or_o woman_n life_n be_v worth_a to_o have_v the_o scripture_n to_o read_v in_o short_a britain_n have_v fanatic_n but_o the_o british_a church_n do_v what_o she_o can_v to_o reclaim_v they_o which_o she_o think_v aught_o nor_o to_o be_v try_v by_o set_v up_o a_o inquisition_n for_o some_o of_o they_o and_o can_v be_v do_v by_o make_v saint_n of_o other_o of_o of_o they_o you_o understand_v i_o suppose_v and_o therefore_o go_v on_o sect._n 25_o quer._n whether_o queen_n elizabeth_n bear_v of_o ann_n bolen_n queen_n catharine_n yet_o live_v can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a answ_n without_o all_o question_n she_o can_v be_v think_v legitimate_a for_o i_o find_v that_o i_o think_v so_o and_o i_o know_v many_o who_o say_v so_o that_o do_v not_o use_v to_o say_v one_o thing_n and_o think_v another_o sect._n 26_o quer._n how_o admirable_a be_v the_o wisdom_n of_o henry_n the_o eight_o by_o expel_v one_o pope_n of_o rome_n to_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n answ_n not_o very_o admirable_a i_o confess_v if_o it_o be_v so_o for_o we_o have_v even_o too_o much_o of_o one_o pope_n of_o rome_n before_o as_o the_o complaint_n and_o the_o law_n of_o our_o ancestor_n can_v well_o witness_v but_o how_o do_v he_o raise_v up_o infinite_a pope_n of_o his_o own_o subject_n be_v there_o so_o many_o head_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n raise_v by_o he_o in_o his_o own_o dominion_n or_o do_v every_o