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of_o pope_n celestine_n against_o they_o for_o the_o same_o twelfethly_fw-mi the_o decree_n and_o bloody_a act_n of_o pope_n innocent_a the_o three_o against_o they_o for_o the_o same_o the_o writing_n also_o of_o several_a learned_a man_n of_o these_o time_n that_o oppose_v the_o waldenses_n in_o this_o point_n and_o charge_v the_o whole_a party_n therewith_o viz._n eckbertus_n erbrardus_n ermigendus_n cluniacenses_fw-la bernard_n durandus_fw-la thomas_n walden_n and_o to_o who_o we_o add_v some_o other_o of_o great_a eminency_n that_o have_v come_v to_o hand_n viz._n ermingerdus_fw-fr ermingerdus_fw-fr ermingerdus_n who_o write_v his_o book_n contra_fw-la waldenses_n in_o this_o age_n wherein_o he_o charge_v they_o in_o these_o word_n dicunt_fw-la etiam_fw-la quod_fw-la nulli_fw-la nisi_fw-la proprio_fw-la ore_fw-la &_o cord_n hoc_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la pâ—tat_fw-la potest_fw-la prodesse_fw-la ind_n adducentes_fw-la hunc_fw-la errorem_fw-la quod_fw-la parvulis_fw-la baptismus_fw-la aquae_fw-la nihil_fw-la prosit_fw-la they_o say_v that_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n can_v profit_v none_o but_o those_o who_o with_o their_o own_o proper_a mouth_n and_o heart_n desire_v the_o same_o from_o whence_o they_o draw_v the_o error_n that_o water_n baptism_n be_v not_o profitable_a to_o little_a child_n vet._n bib._n pat._n tom._n 5._o p._n 1250._o and_o rainerius_n rainerius_n rainerius_n in_o his_o book_n contra_fw-la waldenses_n say_v de_fw-fr baptismo_fw-la dicunt_fw-la quod_fw-la ablutio_fw-la quae_fw-la datur_fw-la infantibus_fw-la nihil_fw-la profit_n item_n quod_fw-la patrini_fw-la non_fw-la intelligent_a quià _fw-la respondeant_fw-la sacerdoti_fw-la concern_v baptism_n they_o say_v that_o that_o which_o be_v give_v to_o little_a child_n profit_v nothing_o and_o that_o the_o gossip_n understand_v not_o their_o response_n to_o the_o priest_n bib._n patr._n tom._n 13._o pag._n 300_o 301_o etc._n etc._n and_o which_o evidence_n i_o desire_v the_o reader_n to_o take_v the_o more_o notice_n of_o because_o mr._n will_n do_v so_o positive_o deny_v that_o rainerius_n in_o the_o catalogue_n of_o their_o error_n give_v not_o the_o least_o hint_n of_o any_o such_o thing_n no_o not_o one_o word_n of_o their_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n which_o he_o say_v be_v very_o strange_a if_o he_o have_v understand_v any_o thing_n thereof_o will_n p._n 96_o 97_o 98._o you_o have_v also_o fauâ—n_v favin_n favin_n the_o french_a chronologer_n testify_v that_o in_o these_o time_n viz._n twelve_o and_o tâ—irteenth_o century_n the_o albigense_n do_v deny_v infant_n baptism_n esteem_v it_o superstitious_a against_o all_o which_o he_o give_v no_o particular_a exception_n only_o say_v these_o two_o thing_n first_o that_o whereas_o i_o cite_v two_o canon_n of_o pope_n alexander_n the_o three_o that_o be_v but_o just_a about_o the_o rise_n of_o the_o waldenses_n who_o be_v so_o call_v from_o peter_n waldo_n of_o lion_n about_o 1160._o as_o perin_n inform_v and_o which_o be_v evidence_n as_o he_o suppose_v against_o the_o former_a decree_n infer_v that_o those_o mention_v to_o be_v make_v before_o that_o time_n be_v before_o they_o be_v a_o people_n and_o second_o in_o pag._n 60._o say_v that_o tâ—eâ—e_n be_v no_o convince_a proof_n to_o be_v fetch_v from_o hence_o of_o their_o be_v against_o â—_z baptism_n because_o they_o be_v their_o enemy_n calumniate_a malicious_a papist_n that_o load_v they_o with_o all_o manner_n of_o reproach_n to_o render_v they_o odious_a and_o that_o unless_o some_o one_o do_v out_o of_o their_o one_o mouth_n give_v better_a evidence_n he_o shall_v believe_v with_o mr._n marshal_n that_o this_o doctrine_n of_o oppose_v the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n of_o believer_n be_v a_o innovation_n no_o ancient_a than_o the_o anabaptist_n in_o germany_n and_o for_o which_o he_o quote_v joseph_n vicecomes_a l._n 2._o c._n 1._o pag._n 103._o in_o mr._n wâ—llâ—_n pag._n 60._o 2._o part_n time_n 1._o waldense_a so_o call_v from_o the_o valley_n from_o ancient_a time_n to_o both_o which_o i_o say_v first_o to_o the_o first_o exception_n you_o will_v find_v that_o beza_n tell_v we_o that_o they_o mistake_v themselves_o that_o say_v they_o be_v call_v waldenses_n from_o peter_n waldo_n in_o as_o much_o as_o they_o be_v so_o call_v from_o the_o place_n of_o thâ—ir_a abode_n in_o the_o valley_n as_o at_o large_a you_o have_v it_o in_o i_o pag._n 338_o &_o 342._o and_o that_o claudius_n sciscelius_n counselor_n to_o charles_n the_o great_a in_o the_o eight_o century_n mention_n they_o by_o that_o name_n in_o his_o book_n contra_fw-la waldenses_n but_o however_o the_o people_n or_o sect_n of_o the_o waldenses_n be_v know_v or_o distinguish_v by_o several_a name_n as_o the_o people_n of_o lion_n etc._n etc._n as_o eusebius_n tell_v we_o p._n 340._o and_o set_v forth_o in_o story_n under_o divers_a name_n in_o several_a age_n as_o doctor_n usher_n tell_v we_o and_o which_o you_o have_v more_o particular_o p._n 338_o etc._n etc._n and_o to_o the_o second_o that_o there_o be_v convince_a proof_n offer_v from_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n king_n and_o counsel_n grant_n mr._n marshal_n grant_n let_v mr._n marshal_n grant_v suffice_v who_o in_o pag._n 63._o of_o his_o defence_n for_o infant_n baptism_n say_v thus_o i_o shall_v desire_v you_o to_o show_v that_o any_o company_n nr_v seâ—t_o if_o you_o will_v so_o call_v they_o have_v deny_v infant_n baptism_n produce_v if_o you_o can_v any_o of_o their_o confession_n allege_v any_o act_n of_o any_o counsel_n where_o this_o doctrine_n be_v charge_v upon_o any_o and_o condemn_v in_o that_o council_n and_o which_o i_o presume_v be_v substantial_o do_v both_o from_o their_o confession_n of_o faith_n and_o from_o act_n of_o counsel_n also_o where_o such_o be_v condemn_v and_o as_o to_o that_o quotation_n out_o of_o vicecome_v to_o prove_v that_o none_o deny_v infant_n baptism_n till_o the_o german_a anabaptist_n i_o hearty_o thank_v he_o for_o it_o which_o you_o 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