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A13642	Keepe your text. Or a short discourse, wherein is sett downe a method to instruct, how a Catholike (though but competently learned) may defend his fayth against the most learned protestant, that is, if so the protestant will tye himselfe to his owne principle and doctrine, in keeping himselfe to the text of the scripture. Composed by a Catholike priest	Véron, François, 1575-1649. Adrian Hucher ministre d'Amyens, mis à l'inquisition des passages de la Bible de Genève. aut	1619 (1619)	STC 23924; ESTC S107525	31,396	48

would say c. or this is the meaning of such a Text c. but it sufficeth for vs to presse only the most obuious familiar and literall sense of the said Texts Now to that second part of the former Obiection where it is vrged that the Catholike insisting in Proofes drawne from Philosophie or from humane authorities of the Pope Fathers Councels and the like stands obnoxious to the same inconueniences whereunto the Protestant by vrgeing proofes of like nature is iudged in this discourse to runne I answere to this first that seeing the Catholike notwithstanding all due reuerence and honour to the Scripture acknowledgeth not the Scripture to be the sole rule or square of Faith that therefore hee may seeke to proue his articles from other testimonies then only Scripture Secondly I say that the Catholike beleeueth not any point as an article of faith because it receiueth it proofe from humane authorities since they are holden as morall inducements only of faith the Church of God being the Propounder of such diuine Mysteries and the reuelation of them made by God the true Formall and last Cause of our beliefe of them Lastly I answere that the supreme Bishop or generall Councell from whom the Catholike drawes his authoritie are not simply humane authorities but withall diuine and supernaturall Since the one is the head of the Church the other the mysticall body of Christ to both which himselfe hath (q) Mat. 16. 1. Tim. 3. giuen infallible assistance in points touching Mans saluation and hath (r) Mat. 18. threatned that they who finally shall denie this assistance shall neuer enter into the spirituall Canaan And thus much touching the solution of the former obiection Hitherto wee haue discoursed of the Method which is to be obserued by an vnexperienced Catholike with a ready and prepared Protestant Scripturist where if we deeply weigh what can be the last hope of such a Disputation we shall find that the finall resolution of all would runne to this point to wit to know what credit and affiance is to be giuen to certayne exorbitant constructions of Scripture forged against all true contexture of the passages themselues and crossed by the reuerent Antiquitie of the purest Ages by which course the Protestant stands no lesse chargeable in beleeuing of errours then in not beleeuing the truth So as this must be in all likelihood the issue of all for so long as the Protestant Minister perseuers in alleaging of Scripture so long he expects that we should reuerently entertayne that sense and construction of it which his worthy-selfe vouchsafeth with wonderfull pertinacie of iudgement the very Crisis of all Hereticall disease to impose vpon it thus making himselfe in the end sole Iudge both of the Scripture and of all Controuersies from thence to be proued For to admit our expositions of the Scripture he scornes solemnely affirming that it were openly to patronize superstition to follow the iudgements of the ancient Fathers in their interpreting of it he is no more willing since he is content to charge and insimulate though truly the said Fathers within the defending of our supposed errours And hence it is that diuers of our Aduersaries haue disgorged out of their impure stomachs most Serpentine and venimous speeches against those Lamps of Gods Church And answerably hereto we finde Luther the right hand of Satan thus to belch forth in his Inuectiues against the Fathers of the Primitiue Church saying (Å¿) Tom. 2. Wittenberg An. 1551. l. de serm arbitr p. 434. The Fathers of so many ages haue beene plainly blind and most ignorant in the Scriptures they haue erred all their life time and vnlesse they were amended before their deaths they were neither Saints nor pertayning to the Church Thus Luther Doctor Whitaker saith (t) Cont. Duraeum l. 6. p. 423. The Popish Religion is a patched Couerlit of the Fathers errours sewed together The pretended Archbishop of Canterbury (u) In his defence to the answere of the Admonit p. 473. How greatly were almost all the Bishops of the Greeke Church and Latine also for the most part spotted with doctrines of Free-will of Merit of Inuocation of Saints and such like Beza (x) Epist Theol. epist 1. p. 5. Itaque dicere nec immerito c. I haue been accustomed to say and I thinke not without iust cause that comparing our times with the ages next to the Apostles we may affirme that they had more conscience and lesse knowledge and we more knowledge and lesse conscience So Beza Melancton (y) In 1. Cor. c. 3. Presently from the beginning of the Church the ancient Fathers obscured the doctrine concerning the iustice of Faith increased Ceremonies and deuised peculiar Worships Finally (z) L. de notis p. 476. Peter Martyr speaking of our Catholike doctrines thus saith So long as wee doe insist vpon Councels and Fathers wee shall be alwayes conuersant in the same Errours But who is more desirous to see at large how the Fathers of the Primitiue Church are first confessed by Protestants to teach euery particular article of our Catholike and Roman Faith Secondly reiected by the Protestants for teaching such doctrines Thirdly abusiuely alleaged by the Protestants for the more debasing of the said Fathers let him peruse (a) viz. tract 1. and 2. throughout that most exquisite and excellent Worke the very scourge of our moderne Heretikes stiled The Protestants Apologie of the Roman Church from which I acknowledge that I haue discerped these last few testimonies In this manner now you see wee find not only Vertue Learning and Antiquitie to be most shamefully traduced by Vice Ignorance and Innouation but also our selues consequently by reason of our refuge made to the Fathers Commentaries for the exposition of the Scripture to bee mightily wronged by our Aduersaries as if vnder the pretext of Antiquitie wee laboured to introduce Noueltie Now from all this it necessarily followeth that in the rigid censure of these seuen Iudges the ancient Fathers those Champions I meane of the true Israelites against the wicked Philistians whose pennes were peculiarly guided by God to the pursuite and profligations of future Heresies did most foulely contaminate and defile the beautie of the holy Scripture with their erroneous Commentaries since they beleeued nothing but what as they thought was warrantable at least not repugnant to those diuine writings thus distilling by their misconstruction of it to vse our Aduersaries owne phraze our Superstitious and Babylonian Religion But since it importeth much to the picking out of the true sense of Scripture alleaged by the Protestant against vs and consequently to the drift of this small Treatise to shew whether it is more probable that the Fathers whose ioynt interpretation of Scripture is euer coincident and conspires with ours should rather not erre in their exposition of it then our nouelizing Sectaries therefore I will more largely set downe which shall serue as the Catastrophe to close vp

KEEPE YOVR TEXT OR A short Discourse wherein is sett downe a Method to instruct how a Catholike though but competently learned may defend his Fayth against the most learned Protestant that is if so the Protestant will tye himselfe to his owne Principle and Doctrine in keeping himselfe to the Text of the Scripture Composed by a Catholike Priest Vincent Lyrinens cont Haeres Si quis interroget quempiam Haereticorum vnde probas vnde doces hoc Statim ille Scriptum est enim Tollentem Extollit It crowneth the carrier 1619. AN ADVERTISEMENT to the Reader GOOD READER Thou mayst vnderstand that some yeeres past there was printed a little English translation out of French concerning a Conference in France betweene a Father of the Societie and a Minister of Amiens wherein the learned Iesuite by tying the Minister to his owne principle of prouing the Points controuerted from the written Word alone did in the presence of many mightily confound the Minister This short English translation as experience hath shewed hath wrought much good vpon diuers But being aduertized that the Copyes of it are almost spent partly by losse of many and partly otherwise Therefore I haue here taken some small paynes to set downe in a short Discourse the said Method in effect holden in dispute by the former Iesuite but in seuerall points enlarged altered and moulded anew For omitting the French Confession of Fayth as being different in many articles from the doctrine of our English Protestants whereunto the former English Translation by discussing seuerall points of Faith there maintayned had speciall reference I haue first premised certayne obseruations for the better conceiuing of the Method here prescribed Secondly the Method it selfe of answering is more enlarged Thirdly where the Minister in the foresaid Conference much relyed vpon conference of Scripture it is here shewed that conference of Scripture euen by the acknowledgment of diuers learned Protestants is altogether insufficient for proofe of any Article Fourthly the Argument is here fully answered which may seeme to be taken by retorting vpon vs the Method here practized when we vndertake the Opponents part and office against the Protestant Fiftly whereas in alleaging of only Scripture the sole drift of the Protestants is to appeale to their owne interpretation of it reiecting herein the interpretation of the Primitiue Church therefore I haue here alleaged the iudgements of diuers most eminent Protestants accordingly condemning the Primitiue Fathers of flat Papistrie and consequently of their supposed false constructions giuen with vs of the Scripture Sixtly and lastly here are presented to the Reader certayne forcible arguments of Credibilitie priuiledging the Fathers aboue the Protestants in interpreting Gods sacred written Word all which seuerall passages are wanting in the foresaid English Translation And thus Christian Reader farewell and vse this my small labour to the spirituall benefit of thy Soule KEEPE YOVR TEXT A Discourse wherein is set downe a Method to instruct how a Catholike though but competently learned may defend his Religion against any learned Protestant so that the Protestant will tye himselfe to his owne Principle in keeping himselfe to the Text of the Scripture IT is too well knowne that Luther whose fall the fall of the starre in the (a) c. 9. Apocalyps may seeme to a dumbrate had no sooner by his defection from the Catholike faith endeuoured to ouerthrow the Roman Church but that there instantly was erected a new Church no no Church which brookes Innouation and Noueltie yet so reputed and after graced with the title of the Protestants Church This Church indeed this broken troupe of some few scattered and branded souldiers forsaking the ensigne of our Lord Iesus sweet Iesus doe they thus remunerate thy corporal death suffered to expiate the guilt of their eternall death labouring to iustifie her iniustifiable doctrine by declining all other proofs (b) 50. Luther in comment c. 1. ad Galat. Brent Prolog c. de Tradit Caluin l. 4. Instit c. 8. §. 8. Kemnit Examen Concil Trid. s●ss 4. made sole recourse to the sacred Scriptures so Malefactors flye to holy places for Sanctuarie where diuorcing the letter from the sense shee did so paraphraze the same with her adulterate Scholies and Expositions as that no Heresie so crosse to the Vnitie of Christian faith which to a vulgar eye might not seeme to be proseminated and sprung from thence Nor content herewith but further shee proceeded for Man once finally leauing God precipitates himselfe into an Abysme or infinit depth of irrecouerable inconueniences vndertaking to write most virulent Treatises against Apostolicall Traditions and the authoritie of Christs Church as ignorantly presuming that the more due reuerence was exhibited to them the lesse was ascribed to the Scripture Hereupon her members vauntingly gaue out for Heresie is euer borne with the Twinne of Pride that the superstitious Papist so pleaseth it them in their charitable language to stile vs was deadly wounded in all points of his faith with euery little splinter or passage of the written Word Which Word as is said they haue erected for the sole rule of faith auerring (c) So write the former cited Protestants besides many other As for example Beza is alleaged by D. Bancroft in his Suruey p. 219. for sole proofe of any point to say Aduerbum prouoco Cartwright in his second Reply part 1. p. 509. thus writeth We haue good cause to hold for suspect whatsoeuer in gouernment or doctrine the Primitiue times left vnto vs not confirmed by substantiall proofes of the Word D. Rainolds thus reprehendeth S. Basil and S. Chrysostome for their not admitting only Scripture in his conclusion annexed to his Conference I take not vpon mee to controule them but let the Church iudge if they considered with aduice c. D. Whitakers thus saith of Chrysostome touching the said point l. de sacra Script pag 678. I answere it is an inconsiderate speech and vnworthy so great a Father Finally to omit many others D. Wallet in his Synopsis p. 38. saith The Scripture is not one of the meanes but the sole whole and only meanes to worke faith that nothing is to be beleeued as an Article of faith which hath not it proofe taken from thence and that themselues will confound the poore Papist in any point whatsoeuer of Religion from the Scripture it selfe scorning to borrow any other proofes then from the writings of the Prophets the Apostles and the Euangelists But this is a meane frothy oftentation of wordes and as the learned Catholike well knoweth inuented only to retaine that grace and fauour which they haue already gained from the weake iudgements of their abused followers And therefore to represse this their inconsiderate venditation of prooning what they pretend only from the Scripture they here telling vs that as a Diamond cuts a Diamond so one place of Scripture best explicates and vnfolds another I doe challenge the Protestant peremptorily to stand to this his

Temple of Salomon which was the Temple of the Iewes shall be the seate of Antichrist and not Rome from which wee gather that in the fore-said Fathers iudgements this passage of the former Text cannot be applyed to the Pope This done Cause your Minister to disproue your interpretation taken from the authoritie of the Fathers or otherwise from the Scripture alone and vrge him to shew and set downe such passages of Scripture from which hee may make shew to confirme his owne Constructions and the Reasons thereof and to refute your interpretation and the Reasons thereof which hee shall find most impossible to performe And thus farre of this Text which the Protestants are accustomed to produce as immediatly and expresly prouing without any helpe of sequels that the Pope is Antichrist Now if your Minister should vrge that place in the Apocalips ch 17. as the Protestants are woont strangely to insist therein wherein S. Iohn speaking of the Whore of Babilon saith It is that great Citie which is seated vpon seuen Hills and hath the gouernment ouer the Kings of the earth From which Text the Protestants gather by way of inference and sequell that seeing Rome is seated on seuen Hills and that the Pope of Rome vsurpeth as they say domination ouer diuers Kings And seeing that by the Whore of Babilon Antichrist is vnderstood that therefore the Pope is from hence necessarily prooued to bee Antichrist Now here againe you are to recurre to your former Method practized aboue in answering to Texts of Scripture vrged by way of consequence in disproofe of the Reall Presence And first demand of him if for want of expresse and cleere Texts he is forced to fly to obscure places of consequences and illations And if hee pretend any more euident proofes of Scripture in this point wish him omitting all doubtfull illations to insist in them alone But if he will perseuer in alleaging this Text then for greater perspicuitie you may draw it into an argument in this forme Antichrist or the Whore of Babilon is said in the Apocalips ch 17. to sit vpon seuen Hills and to tyrannize ouer the Kings of the Earth But the seate of the Pope to wit Rome is placed on seuen Hills as all men confesse and hee vsurpeth rule ouer Christian Kings and Princes Therefore the Pope is Antichrist or the Whore of Babilon 2. Next desire your Minister to proue from Scripture alone two points in your Maior or first Proposition first that by the Whore of Babilon in the 17. of the Apocalyps Antichrist is meant secondly that by the words seuen Hills we are to vnderstand literally and plainly seuen Hills and not some other thing shaddowed thereby seeing in the Apocalyps most points are deliuered in figuratiue and Metaphoricall words I say will him to proue these constructions by some expresse Texts of Scripture If hee grant he cannot then cause him to acknowledge so much openly And that done will him to prooue so much by some consequence at least of Scripture If he make shew hereof then cause him to set down that other Text from the which he seemeth to proue his fore-said construction by consequence And thus accordingly in his next new argument and all others ensuing you haue the like liberty to deny any one Proposition I mean which to you shal seem more false and to cause him to prooue the denyed Proposition first from expresse Scripture then that failing from Scripture at least by way of consequence in proouing of which you shall doubtlesly find your Minister often to relinquish the Scripture and consequently to abandon his doctrine of the Scriptures sole Iudge 3. In the third place as in the former Texts I admonished tell the Minister that if hee bee subject to errour in these deductions from Scripture to wit that by the Whore of Babylon Antichrist is meant and that the wordes seuen Hills doe here literally signifie seuen Hills then can it bee no Article of faith which is founded vpon such doubtfull proofes if he be not subiect to any such errour then most insolently he assumeth that priuilege to himselfe I meane the gift of not erring which he granteth not to the whole Church of God 4. In the fourth place will your Minister as afore we haue taught to proue which he neuer can doe that the Scripture saith that what is deduced necessarily out of it selfe for heere you may suppose the deductions to bee necessary ought to be taken as an Article of faith though otherwise we should grant that the deductions be true 5. In the fift you may tell him that seeing the Scripture speaketh nothing of the true and approued formes of Syllogismes they being deliuered by the rules of Logicke and Philosophy that therefore admitting for the time your Ministers Texts and Testimonies for probable and truely applyed yet so farre forth as concernes the formes of consequences deduced from those Texts and heere insisted vpon by your Minister the Scripture alone cannot assure vs of the soundnesse of them and consequently it cannot assure vs to rest in the former example that by the Whore of Babilon in the 17. of the Apoc. Antichrist is meant or that by the seuen Hilles in the said Chapter wee are literally to vnderstand seuen materiall Hills and consequently that the Pope is Antichrist 6. In the sixt demand of your Minister who must iudge whether this Exposition giuen by him of the foresaid Text be good or no If he say the Scripture must iudge will him to alleage some Text of expresse Scripture If he saith that the Protestant Church or himselfe must iudge then put him in minde that he abandoneth his former doctrine of the Scriptures sole Iudge of Articles of faith flyeth to the authoritie of Man therein Lastly you may aske him if he would bee content as in reason he ought that the authoritie of the ancient Fathers might bee admitted touching the fore-said exposition of the former Text If he would then followeth it that besides his forsaking hereby the Scripture as Iudge hee would be conuicted of errour therein seeing the Fathers are traduced by the Protestants to be Patrones not only of other Catholike Opinions but also of this particular question to wit that the Pope is not Antichrist 7. In the seuenth and last place if you bee not content with his former ouerthrow you may if your reading and learning shall enable you so farre examine more particularly the passage of the former Scripture and shew from the contexture of the place it selfe first that by the Whore of Babilon Antichrist cannot possibly bee vnderstood seeing in the same Chapter of Apocalyps we reade that the ten hornes of the Beast there described at the comming of Antichrist shall make the Whore of Babilon desolate and consume her with fire for thus we there reade And the ten hornes which thou sawest vpon the Beast are they that shall hate the Whore and shall make her desolate

this Discourse such aggrauating circumstances on both sides which so farre-forth as they concerne the interpreting of Scripture may iustly seeme to aduance the Fathers and depresse or vnderualiew our Sectaries they being such as in a cleere and dispassionate eye or in the libration of an eauen and stable hand shall be able I hope to weigh much and cause in this point an euidency of Credibilitie at least if not an euidency of Truth and to admonish vs to call to mind that counsell in Iob (b) Iob c. 8. Diligenter inuestiga patrum memoriam and againe (c) Ibidem Interroga generationem pristinam But to beginne 1. The Fathers liued in the times neere (d) Ignatius and Dionysius the Apostles Scholars Iust Martyr Irenaeus in the second Age. Tertull. Origen Cyprian in the third Athanas Ambr. Hilar Basil Nazianz. in the fourth Chrys Ierom. Augustin in the fift to Christ some conuersing with his Apostles others with their Scholars and therefore the more easie for them to know what expositions of Scripture were first deliuered and what Faith first preached Adde to this that the very practice of their Religion then vsed the Church then remayning by the acknowledgement of our Aduersaries in her integritie of faith serued as a Comment to them of the Scriptures Our Sectaries appeared so many ages after and indeed so late to wit in these our owne Canicular and vnlucky dayes as that their very writings wherein they first vented forth their doctrine may bee said to bee as yet scarce drie Men at this present liuing who can remember their first reuolt and insurrection so euident it is that their beliefe was neuer heard of before the deplorable apostasie of Luther Luther the Adam of his vnfortunate posteritie vpon whom is deriued by his fall an Originall Contumacy as I may terme it against the Church of Rome their perdition following ineuitably except they baptize themselues in the teares of an vnfeigned and contrite submission But to proceede 2. The Fathers for no small number of them euen from their Cradle Mothers breasts did suck those (e) Ignat. Epiphan Athanas Basil Nazianzen Chrysost Cyrill Theodoret. c. were Greeke Fathers in which tongue the new Testament was written tongues wherein a great part of the Scripture was first written and therefore they are much aduantaged the Letter being the shell of the sense for the picking out of the true meaning thereof Our Sectaries what insight they haue in the said tongues is only by Arte and industrie which euer subscribeth to Nature whereof if wee compare them with the Fathers herein they will appeare to be but yong and Alphabeticall Linguists which disparitie of theirs must needs be great since the Tongues in this respect may bee truely termed the Porters of Learning or the Mines wherein the riches of knowledge are found 3. The Fathers deliuered their sentence interpretations of Scripture many ages before the points of Faith and Doctrine for which they were vrged were euer questioned of and therefore what they writ was free from all partialitie and preiudice of iudgement the false glasse which euer reflecteth backe the sight of any thing in an vntrue forme Our Sectaries now after their Religion hath once got one wing doe after shape such constructions of Scripture as are most sutable to their Positions thus where in reason Faith is to bee framed according to the sense of Scripture here with them the sense of Scripture is to be measured by their faith 4. The Fathers though writing in different Ages different Countries different Tongues vpon different occasions like the earth which is most stably setled in an vnstable place euen with wonderfull agreement consent and constancie an infallible Character of Gods holy Spirit for non est Deus dissentionis 1 Cor. 14. sed pacis do interpret all the chiefe passages of Scripture vrged either by vs or our Aduersaries in one and the same sense in regard whereof it is lesse probable that God should permit so many so vertuous so learned men ioyntly to erre therein Our Sectaries indeed inter-league and jump together in wresting Gods Word from all Catholike sense but that done then beginne their irreconciliable warres and disagreements in seeking to appropriate the seuerall (f) Thus for example in that place of Matth. c. 16. Tues Petrus by the word Rocke Erasmus vnderstandeth euery one of the faithfull Caluin Christ Luther and the Centurie writers doe vnderstand thereby the confession of Faith Constructions to the vpholding of rich ones peculiar and different opinion thus they being instantly resolued in themselues from whom to flye but not whom to follow a Document to teach vs that Heresie is euer in labour with Discord and Vnion against the true Church presently ingenders Disvnion within the false Church for it is certaine that the seuerall Doctrines of our Aduersaries could yet neuer be wounded vp in one generall Confession 5. The Fathers did cut of all lets and impediments which might hinder eyther Deuotion or Study the two wings wherwith Mans vnderstāding mounts vp to the speculation of the highest Mysteries Hence it proceeded that they embraced perpetuall Chastitie contemned all Riches and Honours chastized their bodies with Fasting Prayer and other spirituall Disciplines thus according to the Alchymist making Mortification immediate to precede Vinification so as this course of abandoning the World besides Gods speciall assistance to all such truely Noble and Heroicall Designes cleereth and enlighteneth much the speculatiue power of the Soule the only faculty proper for knowledge otherwise ouer-clowded with the mists of wordly cares anxieties and distractions Our Sectaries though commonly at the first they euer haue the Gospell in their mouthes thus acting the Prologue with the Spirit but the Epilogue or Conclusion with the Flesh are in the end become so loth to be spotted with the least aspersion or touch of Superstition since (g) Osiander in Epitom Cent. 4. p. 99 p. 100. 103. no better they repute the Fathers liues as that they prostitute themselues as Drugges to the Word being become euen breathlesse through their earnest pursuite of Temporall pleasures dignities and sensualitie and raueling out their whole time in the gaining and enioying thereof but the lesse maruell since it is written (h) Rom. 8. that those who are after the flesh fauour the things of the flesh 6. The Fathers I meane diuers of them through Gods boundlesse Omnipotency vntwisting at his pleasure the thred of Nature for most easie it is to that powerfull hand which first created Nature to dis-nature all things created haue wrought many stupendious and astonishing Miracles some whereof were done in proofe and confirmation of their (i) Vide Cyprian Serm. de lapsis Ambr. de obitu Satyr c. 7. Optat. l. 2. contra Donatist Nazian in Cypr. Aug. de Ciuit Dei l. 22. c. 8. Chrysost l. contra Gētil Euseb l. 7. c. 14. Religion and though