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A08330 A true report of the priuate colloquy betweene M. Smith, aliĆ¢s Norrice, and M. VValker held in the presence of two vvorthy knights, and of a few other gentlemen, some Catholikes, some Protestants : with a briefe confutation of the false, and adulterated summe, which M. Walker, pastour of S. Iohn Euangelist in Watling-streete, hath diuulged of the same. S. N. (Sylvester Norris), 1572-1630.; Walker, George, 1581?-1651. 1624 (1624) STC 18661; ESTC S461 30,866 65

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