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consequence_n do_v only_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o from_o that_o which_o by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n do_v follow_v the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o consequent_o it_o do_v not_o ex_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n for_o the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o from_o communicate_v in_o ecclesiastical_a spiritual_a or_o sacred_a thing_n do_v only_o make_v he_o to_o be_v as_o a_o heathen_a or_o a_o publican_n according_a to_o that_o say_n of_o our_o saviour_n 18._o saviour_n matth._n 18._o but_o if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a or_o the_o publican_n but_o although_o heathen_n and_o publican_n can_v participate_v with_o the_o faithful_a in_o ecclesiastical_a sacred_a or_o spiritual_a affair_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o therefore_o exclude_v from_o any_o 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se_fw-la do_v not_o deprive_v a_o man_n of_o the_o dominion_n of_o temper_n all_o good_n of_o kingdom_n and_o signory_n and_o teach_v also_o that_o the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o separate_v one_o from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a must_v consequent_o according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n hold_v and_o teach_v that_o excommunication_n do_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a communion_n administration_n or_o jurisdiction_n but_o only_o of_o ecclesiastical_a conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o civil_a neither_o can_v there_o be_v allege_v any_o sufficient_a reason_n why_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n precise_o and_o per_fw-la se_fw-it shall_v deprive_v of_o civil_a jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n and_o not_o of_o temporal_a dominion_n 134_o but_o suarez_n say_v this_o doctor_n do_v in_o the_o very_a place_n cite_v by_o widdrington_n teach_v and_o prove_v against_o he_o that_o by_o excommunication_n do_v cease_v all_o external_a jurisdiction_n and_o all_o act_n belong_v thereunto_o in_o the_o person_n excommunicate_v and_o in_o subject_n the_o obligation_n of_o fidelity_n although_o it_o be_v confirm_v by_o oath_n and_o that_o also_o the_o dominion_n of_o all_o temporal_a good_n may_v cease_v if_o there_o be_v particular_a mention_n make_v thereof_o as_o it_o be_v in_o the_o excommunication_n of_o heretic_n who_o be_v deprive_v of_o all_o good_n and_o of_o all_o dignity_n 135_o but_o suarez_n do_v not_o teach_v or_o prove_v against_o i_o neither_o can_v he_o according_a to_o his_o own_o ground_n affirm_v as_o i_o show_v before_o that_o any_o civil_a jurisdiction_n administration_n act_n obligation_n or_o communion_n do_v cease_v by_o excommunication_n precise_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n or_o by_o any_o intrinsical_a property_n follow_v by_o any_o necessary_a consequence_n the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n for_o although_o suarez_n becanus_n and_o many_o other_o divine_n and_o canonist_n do_v teach_v that_o now_o de_fw-mi facto_fw-la since_o the_o time_n especial_o of_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o some_o pope_n have_v annex_v to_o excommunication_n this_o civil_a effect_n to_o wit_n to_o deprive_v not_o only_o inferior_a magistrate_n but_o also_o sovereign_a prince_n of_o their_o civil_a dominion_n and_o jurisdiction_n be_v persuade_v but_o without_o sufficient_a ground_n as_o i_o have_v show_v both_o in_o this_o treatise_n and_o else_o where_o that_o they_o have_v authority_n so_o to_o do_v yet_o they_o do_v not_o teach_v contrary_a to_o that_o which_o i_o here_o contend_v to_o wit_n that_o this_o effect_n do_v per_fw-la se_fw-la or_o by_o any_o nacessarie_a consequence_n follow_v the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n which_o according_a to_o suarez_n and_o the_o truth_n itself_o be_v a_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n by_o which_o one_o be_v separate_v from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n or_o conversation_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o not_o deprive_v of_o any_o civil_a jurisdiction_n administration_n or_o conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a as_o i_o declare_v more_o ample_o in_o my_o latin_a appendix_n to_o suarez_n 4_o suarez_n par._n 2._o sec_fw-la 4_o where_o i_o discourse_v more_o at_o large_a of_o the_o effect_n of_o excommunication_n which_o it_o have_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n and_o which_o it_o have_v per_fw-la accedens_fw-la by_o the_o positive_a law_n of_o the_o church_n which_o for_o the_o better_a satisfaction_n of_o the_o english_a reader_n i_o think_v it_o not_o amiss_o to_o repeat_v here_o again_o 136_o and_o first_o i_o show_v in_o that_o place_n that_o excommunication_n per_fw-la se_fw-la of_o it_o own_o nature_n and_o according_a to_o the_o true_a definition_n thereof_o set_v down_o also_o by_o suarez_n and_o ground_v in_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a and_o the_o publican_n have_v only_o this_o effect_n to_o debar_v the_o person_n excommunicate_v from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o from_o no_o civil_a dominion_n administration_n jurisdiction_n or_o conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a and_o therefore_o that_o mayor_n and_o minor_a excommunication_n be_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la of_o their_o own_o nature_n and_o according_a to_o their_o intrinsical_a definition_n distinguish_v in_o this_o that_o minor_a excommunication_n do_v exclude_v only_o from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o mayor_n both_o from_o ecclesiastical_a and_o also_o civil_a communion_n but_o it_o be_v therefore_o call_v minor_a excommunication_n or_o a_o lesser_a excommunication_n for_o that_o it_o debar_v from_o a_o lesser_a ecclesiastical_a communion_n to_o with_o from_o sacrament_n only_o and_o it_o be_v call_v mayor_n excommunication_n or_o a_o great_a excommunication_n for_o that_o it_o debar_v from_o a_o great_a ecclesiastical_a communion_n to_o wit_n from_o sacrament_n suffrage_n and_o other_o ecclesiastical_a grace_n benefit_n and_o privilege_n whereof_o a_o man_n be_v partaker_n by_o be_v a_o christian_n for_o see_v that_o both_o excommunication_n do_v participate_v the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n they_o ought_v according_a to_o their_o nature_n and_o definition_n debar_v the_o faithful_a only_o from_o this_o or_o that_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n in_o particular_a because_o every_o species_n or_o particular_a must_v be_v contain_v sub_fw-la genere_fw-la or_o under_o the_o general_a as_o it_o be_v evident_a to_o every_o logician_n and_o not_o from_o civil_a communion_n which_o be_v direct_o and_o ex_fw-la diametro_fw-la opposite_a to_o ecclesiastical_a 137_o and_o this_o be_v signify_v sufficient_o by_o the_o very_a name_n of_o excommunication_n as_o suarez_n affirm_v for_o a_o man_n be_v therefore_o call_v excommunicate_v because_o he_o be_v separate_v or_o exclude_v from_o communion_n and_o it_o be_v ground_v in_o the_o word_n of_o our_o
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they_o to_o satan_n to_o be_v visible_o torment_v by_o he_o as_o s._n paul_n do_v the_o incestuous_a corinthian_a that_o therefore_o the_o ordinary_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n have_v now_o either_o a_o extraordinary_a or_o ordinary_a authority_n power_n might_n and_o effectual_a mean_n to_o do_v the_o like_a 35_o i_o omit_v that_o s._n ambrose_n or_o whosoever_o be_v the_o author_n of_o those_o commentary_n expound_v those_o word_n to_o revenge_v all_o disobedience_n when_o your_o obedience_n shall_v be_v fulfil_v of_o the_o corinthian_n themselves_o who_o be_v perfect_o convert_v shall_v punish_v in_o themselves_o their_o former_a disobedience_n it_o be_v manifest_a say_v s._n ambrose_n that_o he_o revenge_v disobedience_n when_o he_o condemn_v it_o by_o obedience_n then_o destroy_v it_o when_o he_o bring_v to_o the_o faith_n those_o who_o do_v resist_v or_o disobey_v that_o infidelity_n may_v be_v condemn_v by_o they_o by_o who_o it_o be_v defend_v the_o same_o also_o do_v s._n 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a_o intention_n to_o correct_v and_o not_o with_o a_o desire_n to_o revenge_v and_o the_o argument_n of_o this_o 50._o epistle_n be_v that_o s._n augustine_n show_v with_o what_o moderation_n heretic_n may_v through_o fear_n of_o imperial_a law_n be_v reduce_v to_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n and_o in_o his_o second_o book_n of_o retractation_n 48._o cap._n 48._o mention_v this_o epistle_n to_o bonifacius_n he_o write_v thus_o at_o the_o same_o time_n i_o write_v also_o a_o book_n mean_v this_o 50._o epistle_n concern_v the_o correction_n of_o the_o donatist_n by_o reason_n of_o those_o who_o will_v not_o have_v they_o to_o be_v correct_v by_o the_o imperial_a law_n this_o book_n begin_v thus_o laudo_fw-la &_o gratulor_fw-la &_o admiror_fw-la fili_fw-la dilectissime_fw-la bonifaci_fw-la 37_o judge_n now_o good_a reader_n what_o a_o shameful_a fraud_n be_v this_o of_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o make_v ignorant_a catholic_n believe_v that_o s._n augustine_n bring_v those_o word_n of_o the_o apostle_n to_o prove_v the_o authority_n leave_v by_o our_o saviour_n to_o his_o church_n that_o be_v to_o churchman_n or_o to_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n for_o so_o he_o understand_v the_o word_n church_n in_o all_o this_o his_o discourse_n to_o compel_v her_o rebellious_a &_o disobedient_a child_n by_o force_n of_o temporal_a punishment_n to_o perform_v their_o duty_n whereas_o s._n augustine_n intent_n only_o be_v to_o prove_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o imperial_a law_n compel_v heretic_n by_o temporal_a punishment_n to_o return_v back_o to_o the_o faith_n and_o that_o churchman_n or_o the_o spiritual_a pastor_n of_o the_o church_n may_v lawful_o implore_v the_o imperial_a law_n and_o desire_v christian_a prince_n to_o compel_v heretic_n to_o forsake_v their_o heresy_n by_o force_n of_o temporal_a punishment_n so_o that_o they_o desire_v it_o with_o intent_n to_o correct_v they_o and_o not_o with_o a_o desire_n of_o revenge_n 38_o but_o if_o the_o 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spiritual_a &_o not_o a_o temporal_a kingdom_n or_o commonwealth_n it_o be_v only_o require_v that_o the_o pastor_n or_o governor_n thereof_o have_v authority_n to_o inflict_v spiritual_a and_o not_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o this_o authority_n forasmuch_o as_o concern_v the_o authority_n and_o punishment_n themselves_o be_v sufficient_a to_o redress_v all_o inconvenience_n neither_o be_v it_o necessary_a either_o in_o a_o spiritual_a or_o a_o temporal_a kingdom_n that_o the_o chief_a governor_n thereof_o shall_v have_v that_o power_n might_n or_o effectual_a mean_n whereby_o all_o inconvenience_n must_v actual_o at_o all_o time_n be_v redress_v 39_o and_o therefore_o as_o temporal_a king_n do_v give_v to_o their_o lieutetenant_n deputy_n or_o viceroy_n sufficient_a temporal_a authority_n over_o all_o sort_n of_o subject_n in_o the_o province_n or_o state_n where_o they_o govern_v but_o not_o always_o so_o much_o power_n take_v power_n not_o for_o authority_n or_o jurisdiction_n 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and_o that_o i_o contradict_v myself_o in_o grant_v that_o the_o spiritual_a superior_a may_v command_v temporal_a punishment_n but_o not_o inflict_v they_o for_o if_o the_o wife_n or_o husband_n in_o this_o case_n of_o spiritual_a danger_n will_v still_o remain_v with_o the_o other_o consort_n against_o the_o commandment_n of_o the_o church_n or_o rather_o against_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n which_o do_v forbid_v all_o spiritual_a danger_n can_v the_o church_n in_o this_o case_n either_o dissolve_v the_o bond_n of_o matrimony_n or_o deprive_v they_o of_o the_o right_n which_o either_o of_o they_o have_v to_o perform_v the_o act_n of_o matrimony_n or_o else_o deprive_v the_o offender_n of_o his_o life_n liberty_n or_o good_n or_o only_o punish_v he_o by_o inflict_v spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n this_o be_v the_o main_a difficulty_n which_o be_v not_o so_o much_o as_o mention_v in_o all_o the_o argument_n and_o authority_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n here_o have_v bring_v 90_o but_o now_o in_o the_o next_o paragraph_n it_o may_v seem_v that_o he_o come_v somewhat_o near_o to_o the_o point_n of_o the_o difficulty_n and_o in_o like_a manner_n say_v he_o 20._o he_o pag._n 106._o nu_fw-la 20._o there_o be_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o the_o church_n may_v punish_v a_o heretic_n by_o discharge_v his_o child_n from_o their_o filial_a and_o natural_a obligation_n to_o he_o exempt_n they_o from_o his_o authority_n when_o it_o shall_v be_v necessary_a for_o their_o spiritual_a good_a 59_o council_n tolet._n 4._o can_n 59_o as_o it_o may_v appear_v by_o a_o canon_n of_o the_o four_o council_n of_o toledo_n which_o ordain_v that_o the_o baptize_v child_n of_o jew_n shall_v be_v separate_v from_o their_o parent_n lest_o they_o may_v be_v infect_v with_o their_o error_n 229._o see_v molina_n de_fw-fr instit_fw-la tract_n 2._o disp_n 229._o and_o the_o like_a be_v to_o be_v say_v of_o the_o discharge_n of_o slave_n and_o bondman_n from_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n of_o their_o lord_n when_o the_o say_v slave_n be_v catholic_n and_o their_o lord_n heretic_n for_o in_o that_o case_n the_o church_n may_v not_o only_o provide_v for_o the_o soul_n of_o the_o catholic_a but_o also_o just_o punish_v the_o heretical_a lord_n by_o grant_v freedom_n to_o the_o slave_n and_o for_o the_o same_o reason_n the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o discharge_v subject_n from_o their_o bond_n of_o obedience_n and_o allegiance_n to_o a_o heretical_a prince_n when_o there_o be_v evident_a danger_n of_o their_o soul_n and_o great_a detriment_n to_o the_o church_n for_o the_o bond_n of_o allegiance_n to_o the_o prince_n be_v not_o great_a than_o the_o obligation_n of_o the_o son_n to_o the_o father_n the_o wife_n to_o the_o husband_n and_o the_o slave_n to_o his_o lord_n 91_o but_o all_o this_o i_o do_v full_o answer_v in_o my_o appendix_n 9_o appendix_n part._n 1._o sec_fw-la 9_o to_o suarez_n of_o who_o my_o adversary_n have_v borrow_v these_o argument_n for_o albeit_o there_o be_v a_o natural_a obligation_n whereby_o child_n be_v bind_v to_o honour_n and_o reverence_v their_o parent_n and_o from_o which_o without_o doubt_n the_o church_n have_v not_o authority_n to_o discharge_v the_o child_n of_o a_o heretic_n 9_o sot_n l._n 2._o the_o just_a q._n 3._o be_v 8._o valentia_n tom_n 2._o disp_n 7._o q._n 4._o punct_a 6._o vasq_fw-la in_o 1_o secundae_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o disp_n 179_o cap._n 2._o suarez_n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr leg._n cap._n 14._o salas_n q._n 94._o sâ—_n 9_o unless_o my_o unlearned_a adversary_n will_v grant_v that_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o discharge_v one_o from_o that_o to_o which_o he_o be_v otherwise_o bind_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n which_o be_v a_o paradox_n in_o divinity_n as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o sotus_n valentia_n vasquez_n suarez_n salas_n and_o other_o who_o treat_v of_o law_n in_o so_o much_o that_o s._n thomas_n and_o his_o follower_n who_o opinion_n vasquez_n and_o many_o other_o do_v approve_v for_o the_o more_o probable_a do_v affirm_v that_o god_n himself_o can_v dispense_v in_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n or_o in_o any_o natural_a precept_n contain_v in_o the_o decalogue_n or_o ten_o commandment_n as_o be_v this_o to_o honour_v father_n and_o mother_n nevertheless_o what_o other_o natural_a obligation_n there_o be_v beside_o this_o by_o which_o child_n be_v by_o the_o law_n of_o nature_n bind_v to_o honour_n and_o reverence_v their_o parent_n and_o from_o which_o the_o church_n as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v have_v authority_n to_o discharge_v the_o child_n of_o a_o heretic_n i_o think_v he_o himself_o do_v not_o well_o understand_v but_o it_o seem_v he_o take_v honour_n or_o reverence_n &_o obedience_n which_o be_v due_a to_o parent_n for_o all_o one_o which_o nevertheless_o be_v very_o much_o different_a 92_o for_o all_o the_o power_n and_o authority_n which_o parent_n have_v now_o the_o facto_fw-la to_o command_v their_o child_n consider_v that_o 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punish_v power_n but_o also_o spiritual_a thing_n by_o reason_n of_o some_o unlawful_a disturbance_n of_o the_o public_a temporal_a peace_n annex_v unto_o they_o may_v sometime_o take_v the_o nature_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o therefore_o may_v be_v forbid_v by_o the_o temporal_a power_n of_o the_o civil_a commonwealth_n which_o have_v for_o the_o object_n of_o her_o directive_a power_n the_o procure_n and_o maintain_v of_o public_a peace_n and_o the_o shun_v of_o all_o unlawful_a disturbance_n of_o this_o temporal_a peace_n in_o what_o action_n soever_o either_o temporal_a or_o spiritual_a they_o be_v to_o be_v find_v and_o consequent_o may_v be_v also_o punish_v if_o we_o abstract_a from_o the_o privilege_n of_o prince_n and_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n with_o temporal_a punishment_n which_o only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o temporal_a coercive_v power_n for_o what_o sensible_a man_n can_v deny_v that_o temporal_a prince_n have_v authority_n if_o we_o regard_v the_o nature_n 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punishment_n wherefore_o unless_o the_o consideration_n of_o sin_n can_v make_v which_o be_v impossible_a temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v i_o do_v not_o say_v spiritual_a thing_n but_o spiritual_a punishment_n it_o can_v never_o make_v temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v although_o it_o make_v they_o to_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a but_o my_o adversary_n by_o not_o distinguish_v these_o two_o power_n and_o their_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n will_v blind_v the_o understanding_n of_o his_o unlearned_a reader_n with_o a_o confuse_a reduction_n of_o temporal_a thing_n to_o spiritual_a which_o this_o distinction_n of_o the_o directive_a and_o coercive_v power_n and_o the_o proper_a act_n and_o object_n of_o either_o of_o they_o do_v make_v most_o plain_a and_o manifest_a 106_o also_o if_o temporal_a thing_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 24._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 1._o 8._o nu_fw-la 23._o 24._o may_v be_v come_v spiritual_a by_o reason_n of_o sin_n annex_v why_o shall_v they_o not_o also_o have_v a_o spiritual_a nature_n and_o quality_n by_o the_o connexion_n of_o some_o virtue_n and_o special_o when_o they_o be_v apply_v as_o i_o have_v say_v before_o to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n as_o to_o the_o service_n and_o glory_n of_o god_n which_o be_v the_o end_n of_o all_o thing_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a to_o which_o purpose_n it_o may_v be_v observe_v 12._o rom._n 12._o that_o s._n paul_n exhort_v the_o roman_n to_o exhibit_v their_o body_n hostiam_fw-la viventem_fw-la sanctam_fw-la deo_fw-la placentem_fw-la etc._n etc._n a_o live_a sacrifice_n holy_a and_o please_a god_n give_v to_o understand_v that_o our_o body_n good_n and_o what_o temporal_a thing_n soever_o be_v subject_a to_o our_o soul_n be_v dedicate_v and_o apply_v to_o god_n service_n and_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n be_v sanctify_v thereby_o and_o become_v spiritual_a whereupon_o it_o follow_v that_o whensoever_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a punish_v his_o temporal_a subject_n in_o their_o body_n or_o good_n for_o satisfaction_n of_o their_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n and_o the_o church_n and_o the_o good_a of_o soul_n their_o corporal_a and_o temporal_a punishment_n become_v spiritual_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o end_n and_o the_o virtue_n annex_v and_o consequent_o be_v most_o lawful_a and_o just_a even_o according_a to_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n own_o doctrine_n 107_o whereto_o i_o also_o add_v that_o whereas_o widdrington_n say_v that_o every_o superior_a may_v punish_v his_o subject_n with_o penalty_n proportionate_a to_o his_o authority_n he_o must_v needs_o grant_v the_o same_o in_o this_o case_n for_o albeit_o temporal_a good_n have_v no_o natural_a proportion_n with_o spiritual_a thing_n yet_o they_o have_v a_o moral_a proportion_n therewith_o because_o they_o be_v not_o able_a instrument_n of_o good_a work_n 2._o â—_o pet._n 2._o in_o which_o respect_n s._n peter_n call_v alm_n and_o other_o good_a work_n spirituales_fw-la hostias_fw-la spiritual_a sacrifice_n albeit_o they_o consist_v in_o the_o use_n and_o employment_n of_o temporal_a thing_n and_o therefore_o when_o temporal_a thing_n be_v necessary_a to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n they_o may_v be_v dispose_v of_o by_o the_o church_n as_o proportionate_a to_o the_o end_n whereto_o they_o be_v necessary_a 108_o no_o man_n make_v any_o doubt_n but_o that_o temporal_a thing_n may_v become_v spiritual_a not_o only_o by_o reason_n of_o sin_n but_o also_o of_o virtue_n annex_v especial_o when_o they_o be_v apply_v to_o a_o spiritual_a end_n as_o to_o the_o service_n and_o glory_n of_o god_n who_o be_v the_o end_n of_o all_o thing_n spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o therefore_o when_o one_o do_v punish_v his_o body_n by_o fast_v discipline_n haircloth_n or_o such_o like_a for_o the_o satisfaction_n of_o his_o sin_n and_o for_o the_o service_n of_o god_n although_o they_o be_v corporal_a punishment_n yet_o they_o be_v virtuous_a action_n and_o in_o that_o regard_n spiritual_a thing_n and_o consequent_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v directive_a but_o from_o hence_o it_o do_v not_o follow_v that_o these_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o reason_n of_o virtue_n annex_v do_v become_v spiritual_a punishment_n but_o only_o virtuous_a action_n and_o in_o that_o regard_n spiritual_a thing_n for_o still_o they_o remain_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o therefore_o not_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n as_o it_o be_v coercive_v which_o have_v for_o her_o object_n only_o the_o use_n and_o inflict_v of_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a not_o temporal_a or_o civil_a punishment_n wherefore_o a_o spiritual_a superior_a have_v no_o authority_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o punish_v in_o body_n or_o good_n for_o any_o end_n whatsoever_o by_o way_n of_o constraint_n his_o spiritual_a subject_n whether_o they_o be_v clerk_n or_o layman_n who_o mr._n fitzherbert_n improper_o call_v his_o temporal_a subject_n for_o although_o they_o be_v temporal_a man_n yet_o compare_v they_o to_o spiritual_a superior_n they_o be_v spiritual_a not_o temporal_a subject_n for_o that_o the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n be_v not_o temporal_a or_o corporal_a but_o only_o spiritual_a censure_n or_o punishment_n although_o he_o may_v as_o i_o say_v command_v such_o corporal_a punishment_n when_o they_o be_v necessary_a for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o soul_n in_o which_o case_n they_o become_v spiritual_a thing_n to_o wit_n virtuous_a action_n which_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a power_n but_o the_o cause_n of_o mr._n fitzherberts_n error_n be_v for_o that_o he_o do_v not_o distinguish_v betwixt_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a thing_n and_o spiritual_a or_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o betwixt_o the_o act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a directive_a and_o of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n for_o although_o temporal_a punishment_n by_o reason_n of_o
do_v suppose_v the_o subject_n to_o be_v otherwise_o apt_a and_o well_o dispose_v for_o she_o have_v power_n grant_v she_o by_o christ_n to_o give_v grace_n whereby_o we_o may_v come_v to_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n to_o infant_n by_o the_o sacrament_n of_o baptism_n and_o to_o man_n of_o discretion_n also_o by_o other_o sacrament_n but_o especial_o of_o penance_n by_o which_o the_o priest_n as_o a_o minister_n of_o christ_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o key_n which_o he_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n absolu_v from_o sin_n and_o give_v grace_n nevertheless_o this_o power_n to_o work_v actual_o her_o effect_n suppose_v certain_a necessary_a disposition_n on_o the_o behalf_n of_o the_o person_n who_o be_v to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n as_o well_o in_o infant_n as_o in_o man_n of_o discretion_n which_o disposition_n the_o church_n have_v not_o always_o power_n to_o procure_v also_o beside_o this_o power_n which_o the_o divine_n call_v of_o order_n the_o church_n have_v also_o power_n of_o jurisdiction_n for_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o preach_v the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o correct_v sinner_n to_o make_v law_n and_o to_o punish_v the_o transgressor_n with_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a punishment_n for_o as_o the_o church_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n be_v spiritual_a so_o also_o she_o ought_v to_o have_v mean_n proportionate_a to_o such_o a_o end_n we_o grant_v therefore_o the_o antecedent_n proposition_n in_o this_o sense_n which_o we_o have_v now_o declare_v but_o we_o deny_v etc._n etc._n 29_o now_o this_o doctor_n although_o he_o grant_v all_o this_o which_o i_o have_v say_v to_o be_v true_a yet_o he_o can_v forbear_v to_o take_v certain_a idle_a exception_n against_o the_o same_o i_o answer_v say_v he_o seq_fw-la he_o pag._n 353._o ad_fw-la nu_fw-la 179._o &_o seq_fw-la although_o all_o this_o do_v make_v little_a or_o nothing_o to_o the_o solue_v of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n argument_n but_o to_o the_o enlarge_n of_o the_o volume_n of_o his_o book_n they_o make_v much_o yet_o i_o will_v relate_v what_o he_o have_v say_v for_o that_o i_o see_v certain_a thing_n to_o be_v note_v therein_o but_o whether_o they_o make_v little_a or_o nothing_o to_o solve_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n argument_n you_o shall_v see_v anon_o this_o be_v a_o usual_a trick_n of_o this_o doctor_n especial_o when_o my_o answer_n or_o argument_n be_v of_o great_a force_n that_o he_o know_v not_o well_o what_o to_o reply_v thereunto_o then_o with_o some_o idle_a or_o despiteful_a word_n to_o shift_v it_o of_o as_o that_o it_o be_v speak_v either_o to_o disgrace_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n or_o to_o make_v the_o sea_n apostolic_a odious_a and_o dreadful_a to_o christian_a prince_n or_o that_o it_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n but_o to_o enlarge_v my_o book_n and_o to_o make_v it_o seem_v to_o be_v of_o a_o competent_a volume_n and_o such_o like_a trifle_a toy_n which_o do_v argue_v rather_o want_v of_o matter_n and_o a_o spirit_n of_o contradiction_n than_o a_o true_a desire_n to_o examine_v sincere_o this_o important_a and_o difficult_a controversy_n and_o which_o with_o as_o great_a facility_n and_o far_o great_a reason_n may_v be_v retort_v back_o upon_o himself_o for_o his_o often_o repeat_v of_o the_o same_o sentence_n and_o which_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n as_o that_o of_o s._n leo_n ecclesiastica_fw-la lenitas_fw-la refugit_fw-la cruentas_fw-la ultiones_fw-la ecclesiastical_a lenity_n do_v shun_v cruel_a punishment_n which_o be_v nothing_o to_o the_o solue_v of_o my_o argument_n and_o spend_v many_o word_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o pope_n have_v power_n to_o command_v and_o enjoin_v temporal_a penalty_n whereof_o i_o make_v no_o question_n and_o consume_v twenty_o eight_o whole_a page_n to_o prove_v that_o s._n peter_n and_o his_o successor_n be_v the_o head_n of_o the_o church_n which_o not_o catholic_a do_v deny_v and_o which_o make_v little_a or_o nothing_o to_o the_o impugn_v of_o my_o doctrine_n but_o to_o the_o enlarge_n the_o volume_n of_o his_o book_n they_o make_v much_o 30_o now_o you_o shall_v see_v what_o goodly_a observation_n this_o doctor_n have_v find_v out_o in_o this_o part_n of_o my_o answer_n first_o say_v he_o 353._o he_o pag._n 353._o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o my_o adversary_n widdrington_n i_o know_v not_o with_o what_o cunning_a have_v transfer_v the_o question_n from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n as_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o christian_a laikes_n to_o the_o christian_a commonwealth_n or_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n as_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o company_n of_o pagan_n and_o infidel_n for_o in_o bellarmine_n argument_n the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n be_v take_v in_o the_o first_o and_o not_o in_o the_o late_a sense_n but_o widdrington_n answer_v of_o the_o christian_a commonwealth_n as_o it_o comprehend_v churchman_n and_o layman_n let_v he_o himself_o see_v with_o what_o simplicity_n he_o do_v it_o who_o otherwise_o do_v seem_v so_o scrupulous_o to_o shun_v equivocation_n 31_o but_o first_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v with_o what_o cunning_a or_o ignorance_n this_o doctor_n affirm_v that_o i_o have_v transfer_v the_o question_n from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n as_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o commonwealth_n of_o christian_a laikes_n to_o the_o christian_a commonwealth_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n as_o it_o be_v distinguish_v from_o the_o company_n of_o pagan_n and_o infidel_n seq_n see_v apolog._n nu_fw-la 176._o 180._o &_o seq_n see_v that_o i_o express_o speak_v of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n as_o it_o be_v a_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n and_o as_o it_o have_v spiritual_a power_n now_o with_o what_o colour_n of_o probability_n can_v this_o doctor_n infer_v from_o any_o one_o word_n of_o i_o that_o i_o ever_o say_v that_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a power_n do_v reside_v in_o layman_n or_o that_o when_o i_o treat_v of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n or_o of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n i_o take_v the_o church_n as_o it_o comprehend_v churchman_n and_o layman_n true_a it_o be_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a commonwealth_n kingdom_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n when_o we_o speak_v proper_o and_o general_o be_v take_v both_o by_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o myself_o as_o it_o comprehend_v cleargie-man_n and_o layman_n that_o be_v as_o it_o contain_v both_o spiritual_a power_n and_o spiritual_a subjection_n spiritual_a pastor_n and_o spiritual_a subject_n and_o therefore_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n before_o in_o his_o first_o reason_n affirm_v that_o king_n and_o bishop_n cleargie-man_n and_o layman_n do_v not_o make_v two_o commonwealth_n but_o one_o only_a that_o be_v one_o church_n as_o likewise_o a_o temporal_a commonwealth_n or_o kingdom_n when_o we_o speak_v proper_o and_o general_o be_v take_v as_o it_o comprehend_v both_o temporal_a king_n and_o temporal_a subject_n that_o be_v as_o it_o contain_v both_o civil_a power_n and_o civil_a subjection_n for_o what_o man_n of_o judgement_n speak_v general_o of_o a_o temporal_a kingdom_n by_o the_o name_n of_o the_o kingdom_n understand_v only_o the_o king_n himself_o but_o when_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o temporal_a power_n of_o a_o kingdom_n as_o i_o express_o speak_v here_o of_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n no_o judicious_a man_n can_v understand_v that_o he_o speak_v of_o subject_n wherein_o no_o temporal_a power_n do_v reside_v let_v this_o doctor_n therefore_o see_v himself_o with_o what_o simplicity_n he_o say_v that_o i_o comprehend_v here_o in_o this_o answer_n under_o the_o name_n of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a commonwealth_n cleargie-man_n and_o layman_n when_o i_o treat_v of_o the_o ecclesiastical_a or_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n 32_o second_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v say_v this_o doctor_n 354._o doctor_n pag._n 354._o that_o which_o widdrington_n here_o dispute_v of_o a_o apt_a and_o well_o dispose_v subject_n that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n may_v therein_o work_v her_o effect_n to_o be_v true_a and_o that_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n have_v the_o same_o in_o his_o answer_n to_o the_o objection_n of_o paulus_n venetus_n and_o yet_o that_o widdrington_n after_o his_o accustom_a uprightness_n commend_v the_o argument_n of_o paulus_n venetus_n and_o dissemble_v card._n bellarmine_n answer_n here_o you_o see_v that_o this_o doctor_n grant_v the_o distinction_n which_o i_o make_v to_o be_v true_a and_o that_o card._n bellarmine_n approove_v the_o same_o but_o that_o which_o he_o add_v that_o i_o dissemble_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n answer_n be_v very_o untrue_a for_o i_o never_o see_v his_o answer_n and_o although_o i_o have_v see_v it_o and_o so_o may_v have_v commend_v his_o meaning_n and_o his_o declaration_n yet_o true_o i_o shall_v not_o have_v commend_v his_o word_n be_v speak_v so_o general_o and_o without_o any_o limitation_n or_o declaration_n see_v
question_n may_v be_v about_o the_o cause_n for_o which_o this_o authority_n may_v be_v use_v as_o also_o the_o form_n of_o proceed_v to_o be_v observe_v therein_o whereunto_o he_o answer_v that_o herein_o there_o be_v so_o many_o particularity_n to_o be_v consider_v as_o be_v overlong_o for_o this_o place_n only_o it_o be_v sufficient_a for_o catholic_a man_n to_o know_v that_o this_o may_v not_o be_v do_v without_o just_a cause_n grave_n and_o urgent_a motive_n and_o due_a form_n also_o of_o proceed_v by_o admonition_n prevention_n intercession_n and_o other_o like_a preamble_n prescribe_v by_o ecclesiastical_a canon_n to_o be_v observe_v whereby_o my_o lordship_n doubt_n of_o fear_n and_o jealousy_n of_o continual_a treason_n and_o bloody_a assassinate_v may_v just_o be_v remoove_v for_o that_o this_o authority_n do_v not_o only_o not_o allow_v any_o such_o wicked_a or_o unlawful_a attempt_n but_o do_v also_o express_o and_o public_o condemn_v the_o same_o and_o the_o doctrine_n thereof_o as_o may_v appear_v not_o only_o by_o the_o condemnation_n of_o wickliff_n wicked_a article_n in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n 15._o constance_n sess_n 15._o wherein_o he_o affirm_v that_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o every_o private_a man_n to_o kill_v any_o prince_n who_o he_o hold_v to_o be_v a_o tyrant_n but_o also_o by_o like_a condemnation_n of_o caluin_n beza_n etc._n etc._n 52_o thus_o you_o see_v that_o father_n parson_n have_v not_o answer_v to_o the_o earl_n of_o salisburies_n complaint_n in_o particular_a to_o wit_n that_o some_o clear_a explication_n of_o the_o papal_a authority_n over_o the_o kingdom_n and_o life_n of_o temporal_a prince_n have_v not_o be_v make_v by_o some_o public_a and_o definitive_a sentence_n orthodoxal_a etc._n etc._n but_o he_o suppose_v it_o as_o certain_a and_o grant_v by_o catholic_n and_o in_o stead_n of_o some_o clear_a and_o public_a definition_n orthodoxal_a etc._n etc._n which_o the_o earl_n of_o salisbury_n desire_v he_o bring_v 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the_o other_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n 15._o page_n 15._o but_o likewise_o all_o the_o doctor_n that_o live_v in_o france_n from_o the_o first_o set_v up_o of_o school_n of_o divinity_n among_o they_o have_v hold_v that_o in_o the_o case_n of_o heretical_a or_o infidel_n prince_n and_o such_o as_o persecute_v christianity_n or_o catholic_a religion_n their_o subject_n may_v be_v absolve_v from_o their_o oath_n of_o allegiance_n and_o again_o 63._o page_n 63._o say_v he_o cite_v widdrington_n in_o the_o margin_n the_o english_a writer_n who_o have_v put_v their_o hand_n to_o pen_n for_o the_o defence_n of_o the_o oath_n make_v by_o the_o present_a king_n of_o england_n against_o the_o pope_n have_v use_v all_o their_o endeavour_n to_o find_v some_o doctor_n and_o in_o particular_a french_a who_o have_v hold_v their_o opinion_n before_o these_o last_o trouble_n can_v hitherto_o bring_v forth_o never_o any_o one_o neither_o divine_a 65._o page_n 65._o nor_o lawyer_n who_o 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same_o nature_n and_o quality_n in_o general_a for_o that_o both_o of_o they_o ordain_v temporal_a punishment_n which_o can_v be_v inflict_v by_o spiritual_a pastor_n by_o that_o authority_n which_o they_o have_v receive_v from_o christ_n but_o only_o by_o the_o authority_n privilege_n and_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n who_o only_o have_v authority_n to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n as_o death_n exile_n confiscation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n and_o such_o like_a but_o with_o all_o this_o difference_n be_v to_o be_v observe_v betwixt_o these_o two_o punishment_n that_o although_o some_o ecclesiastical_a person_n as_o diverse_a bishop_n of_o germany_n be_v temporal_a prince_n have_v authority_n to_o inflict_v both_o kind_n of_o punishment_n and_o to_o hang_v and_o draw_v as_o our_o english_a proverb_n say_v within_o their_o temporal_a dominion_n yet_o ecclesiastical_a levity_n as_o saint_n leo_n say_v do_v shun_v these_o bloody_a punishment_n and_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o 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death_n against_o any_o malefactor_n who_o deserve_v the_o same_o although_o he_o shall_v offend_v against_o the_o prohibition_n of_o the_o church_n yet_o he_o shall_v not_o offend_v against_o justice_n usurp_v the_o power_n which_o he_o have_v not_o &_o by_o do_v that_o which_o for_o want_v of_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n he_o have_v no_o authority_n to_o do_v in_o that_o manner_n as_o a_o other_o man_n who_o have_v no_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n and_o condemn_v one_o to_o death_n shall_v offend_v 14_o second_o therefore_o although_o i_o do_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n be_v express_o ordain_v in_o diverse_a place_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n as_o also_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n and_o death_n be_v express_o ordain_v in_o this_o canon_n howsoever_o my_o adversary_n very_o bold_o say_v that_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o mutilation_n or_o death_n be_v no_o way_n ordain_v therein_o yet_o if_o we_o distinguish_v ordain_v from_o command_v or_o impose_v because_o i_o have_v ever_o grant_v that_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v authority_n to_o command_v impose_v and_o enjoin_v but_o not_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n all_o such_o canon_n wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v inflict_v be_v either_o a_o approbation_n of_o the_o imperial_a law_n or_o a_o teach_n and_o declare_v what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o secular_a prince_n or_o judge_n as_o the_o gloss_n expound_v both_o this_o canon_n delatori_fw-la wherein_o the_o effusion_n of_o blood_n by_o death_n and_o mutilation_n be_v decree_v and_o also_o the_o canon_n hadrianus_n wherein_o only_o the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n be_v ordain_v or_o they_o be_v make_v and_o have_v force_v to_o bind_v by_o the_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n as_o other_o doctor_n according_a to_o hostiensis_n joannes_n andreas_n and_o pope_n innocent_a interpret_v that_o so_o often_o urge_v canon_n ad_fw-la abolendam_fw-la wherein_o earl_n baron_n governor_n and_o consul_n of_o city_n and_o other_o place_n if_o they_o neglect_v to_o help_v the_o church_n against_o heretic_n be_v deprive_v of_o their_o honour_n 15_o nevertheless_o these_o canon_n wherein_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v ordain_v for_o that_o they_o be_v make_v by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a person_n though_o not_o by_o sacred_a spiritual_a or_o ecclesiastical_a but_o by_o temporal_a and_o civil_a authority_n grant_v they_o by_o the_o privilege_n gift_n or_o consent_v of_o temporal_a prince_n may_v be_v call_v sacred_a ecclesiastical_a and_o apostolical_a canon_n 4._o gerson_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccles_n consider_v 4._o according_a to_o that_o which_o i._n gerson_n write_v that_o there_o be_v some_o of_o opinion_n that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o last_o punishment_n which_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n of_o jurisdiction_n by_o the_o first_o institution_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v so_o that_o it_o be_v not_o extend_v to_o imprisonment_n nor_o that_o any_o man_n be_v adjudge_v to_o death_n or_o corporal_a whip_n but_o when_o the_o ecclesiastical_a judge_n do_v this_o he_o do_v it_o by_o the_o grant_n of_o prince_n as_o the_o clergy_n by_o the_o devotion_n of_o prince_n have_v receive_v great_a authority_n of_o temporal_a jurisdiction_n which_o jurisdiction_n or_o censure_n be_v nevertheless_o call_v spiritual_a as_o also_o the_o temporal_a good_n of_o ecclesiastical_a person_n be_v call_v spiritual_a because_o they_o be_v dedicate_v and_o apply_v to_o they_o who_o serve_v the_o church_n as_o also_o the_o bread_n of_o proposition_n the_o first_o fruit_n the_o tithe_n also_o the_o vessel_n of_o the_o temple_n the_o vestment_n and_o such_o like_a be_v in_o the_o old_a law_n call_v sacred_a or_o holy_a so_o also_o the_o new_a law_n do_v observe_v the_o same_o thus_o gerson_n 16_o three_o the_o gloss_n itself_o do_v teach_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n publicat_fw-la fitzherbert_n pag._n 167._o num_fw-la 6._o glossa_fw-la in_o verb._n publicat_fw-la that_o by_o the_o former_a decree_n the_o church_n do_v ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n and_o deposition_n from_o dignity_n say_v hìc_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la publicat_fw-la bona_fw-la laicorum_fw-la &_o quandoque_fw-la deponit_fw-la à _fw-la dignitatibus_fw-la here_o the_o church_n do_v confiscate_v the_o good_n of_o layman_n and_o sometime_o depose_v from_o dignity_n thus_o say_v the_o gloss_n here_o which_o widdrington_n whole_o dissemble_v because_o it_o make_v flat_o against_o he_o and_o he_o take_v hold_v as_o it_o seem_v of_o the_o word_n immediate_o follow_v though_o he_o do_v not_o allege_v they_o the_o word_n be_v well_fw-mi dic_fw-la etc._n etc._n or_o say_v that_o the_o church_n teach_v here_o what_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v wherein_o it_o can_v be_v with_o reason_n imagine_v that_o the_o gloss_n contradict_v the_o former_a interpretation_n see_v that_o it_o teach_v also_o in_o many_o other_o place_n that_o the_o church_n may_v and_o do_v use_v to_o impose_v temporal_a penalty_n by_o confiscation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n infamy_n and_o banishment_n as_o it_o may_v be_v see_v in_o the_o gloss_n paenis_fw-la lib._n detret_fw-la cap._n licet_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr paenis_fw-la upon_o 17._o q._n 4._o attendendum_fw-la est_fw-la 16._o q._n 1._o statuimus_fw-la 27._o q._n 4._o quisquis_fw-la and_o upon_o the_o decree_n licet_fw-la tit_n de_fw-fr poenis_fw-la where_o the_o gloss_n affirm_v express_o that_o if_o the_o law_n do_v ordain_v only_o a_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o a_o corporal_a the_o judge_n can_v change_v it_o into_o another_o except_o he_o can_v dispense_v in_o the_o crime_n commit_v and_o that_o when_o the_o law_n determine_v nothing_o concern_v the_o penalty_n of_o the_o crime_n it_o be_v leave_v to_o the_o will_n of_o the_o judge_n whether_o he_o will_v impose_v a_o pecuniary_a penalty_n or_o any_o other_o and_o last_o when_o the_o judge_n can_v dispense_v touch_v the_o crime_n he_o may_v inflict_v a_o penalty_n of_o or_o some_o other_o thus_o say_v the_o gloss_n 17_o but_o first_o it_o be_v not_o true_a as_o you_o have_v see_v above_o that_o i_o either_o omit_v to_o allege_v the_o second_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n upon_o the_o canon_n hadrianus_n see_v that_o it_o be_v all_o one_o with_o that_o which_o i_o do_v allege_v upon_o the_o canon_n delatori_fw-la to_o which_o the_o gloss_n remit_v himself_o for_o his_o second_o answer_n or_o that_o i_o dissemble_v the_o first_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n which_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n do_v ordain_v the_o confiscation_n of_o good_n see_v that_o i_o only_o intend_v to_o bring_v there_o those_o answer_n of_o the_o gloss_n which_o make_v for_o my_o doctrine_n and_o not_o those_o which_o make_v against_o it_o as_o if_o a_o man_n intend_v only_o to_o set_v down_o author_n who_o favour_n any_o one_o opinion_n may_v without_o any_o dissimulation_n omit_v to_o relate_v those_o author_n who_o be_v against_o it_o 18_o second_o be_v it_o possible_a that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n can_v be_v so_o ignorant_a as_o to_o conceive_v that_o the_o gloss_n do_v then_o contradict_v
whereas_o none_o will_v acknowledge_v that_o parish_n priest_n be_v such_o and_o few_o will_v grant_v that_o they_o have_v jurisdiction_n in_o the_o external_a spiritual_a court_n but_o only_o in_o the_o court_n of_o conscience_n therefore_o although_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o because_o every_o bishop_n can_v excommunicate_v in_o his_o own_o diocese_n therefore_o every_o parish_n priest_n can_v also_o excommunicate_v in_o his_o parish_n yet_o as_o it_o be_v not_o absurd_a to_o say_v that_o because_o the_o pope_n can_v excommunicate_v in_o the_o universal_a church_n therefore_o a_o bishop_n stand_v in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n can_v also_o excommunicate_v in_o his_o own_o diocese_n so_o it_o be_v not_o absurd_a and_o much_o less_o ridiculous_a to_o say_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n can_v inflict_v a_o temporal_a penalty_n upon_o all_o christian_n every_o bishop_n also_o stand_v in_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n can_v inflict_v a_o temporal_a penalty_n upon_o those_o that_o be_v subject_a to_o his_o bishopric_n no_o more_o than_o it_o be_v absurd_a or_o ridiculous_a for_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n to_o say_v that_o if_o the_o pope_n have_v direct_a dominion_n in_o temporall_n in_o the_o universal_a church_n every_o bishop_n have_v also_o direct_a dominion_n in_o temporall_n in_o his_o own_o particular_a bishopric_n for_o that_o according_a to_o his_o doctrine_n that_o which_o the_o pope_n be_v in_o the_o universal_a church_n be_v every_o bishop_n in_o his_o particular_a diocese_n 47_o and_o as_o concern_v that_o plenitude_n or_o fullness_n of_o the_o pope_n ecclesiastical_a power_n which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n with_o full_a mouth_n do_v so_o often_o inculcate_v little_a understanding_n poor_a man_n in_o what_o this_o fullness_n do_v consist_v there_o be_v a_o great_a controversy_n among_o catholic_n to_o what_o thing_n this_o fullness_n of_o ecclesiastical_a power_n do_v extend_v 3._o almainus_n de_fw-fr authore_fw-la eccles_n cap._n 3._o for_o there_o be_v so_o 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which_o be_v prejudicial_a to_o the_o right_n of_o another_o man_n who_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o he_o in_o temporall_n the_o same_o decree_n as_o some_o not_o improbable_o do_v think_v do_v only_o extend_v unless_o the_o contrary_n be_v express_v which_o last_o clause_n also_o mr._n fitzherbert_n leave_v out_o to_o the_o territory_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n or_o the_o patrimony_n of_o s._n peter_n wherein_z as_o pope_n innocent_n say_v venerabil_n say_v cap._n per_fw-la venerabil_n the_o pope_n do_v exercise_v the_o authority_n of_o a_o chief_a bishop_n and_o do_v execute_v the_o power_n of_o a_o sovereign_a prince_n 50_o against_o this_o answer_n mr._n fitzherbert_n object_v in_o this_o manner_n 19_o manner_n pag._n 173._o nu_fw-la 18._o 19_o thus_o widdrington_n tell_v we_o but_o who_o these_o some_o man_n be_v of_o who_o he_o speak_v or_o where_o they_o affirm_v this_o he_o list_v not_o to_o tell_v we_o neither_o in_o his_o text_n nor_o in_o his_o margin_n lest_o by_o the_o 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in_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o treatise_n learned_a
catholic_n both_o divine_n and_o canonist_n who_o i_o have_v heretofore_o relate_v that_o the_o act_n and_o object_n of_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n be_v only_o the_o inflict_v of_o spiritual_a punishment_n or_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n as_o excommunication_n suspension_n interdict_v and_o not_o of_o temporal_a or_o civil_a penalty_n as_o death_n exile_n privation_n of_o good_n imprisonment_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n be_v neither_o direct_o nor_o indirect_o formal_o nor_o virtual_o subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a coercive_v power_n of_o the_o church_n but_o only_o to_o the_o coercive_v temporal_a power_n of_o temporal_a prince_n for_o that_o no_o reference_n relation_n or_o reduction_n of_o the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a punishment_n to_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n or_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n can_v make_v temporal_a punishment_n to_o be_v ecclesiastical_a censure_n or_o the_o inflict_a of_o temporal_a and_o civil_a punishment_n to_o be_v the_o inflict_a of_o spiritual_a and_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n 66_o and_o although_o this_o opinion_n be_v the_o less_o common_a among_o catholic_n for_o the_o reason_n heretofore_o allege_v especial_o through_o the_o watchfulness_n of_o the_o contrary_a side_n since_o the_o time_n that_o some_o pope_n have_v challenge_v to_o themselves_o this_o temporal_a authority_n over_o king_n call_v it_o direct_v or_o indirect_a formal_a or_o virtual_a as_o you_o please_v and_o the_o indiligence_n to_o speak_v with_o all_o reverence_n of_o christian_n prince_n in_o suffer_v their_o temporal_a sovereignty_n to_o be_v so_o great_o and_o cunning_o depress_v and_o subject_v yet_o in_o my_o judgement_n it_o be_v more_o conform_a to_o the_o true_a sense_n and_o meaning_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n to_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o primitive_a church_n to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o ancient_a father_n and_o to_o the_o true_a ground_n and_o principle_n of_o moral_a philosophy_n and_o divinity_n and_o therefore_o to_o affirm_v this_o opinion_n which_o be_v embrace_v by_o so_o many_o doctor_n as_o almain_n witness_v and_o which_o be_v ground_v upon_o such_o plain_a and_o pregnant_a reason_n to_o be_v impious_a absurd_a improbable_a erroneous_a yea_o and_o heretical_a as_o this_o foul_a mouth_v and_o rash_a head_a ignorant_a man_n do_v so_o often_o brand_v it_o be_v clear_o repugnant_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o christian_a prudence_n charity_n and_o modesty_n and_o to_o the_o know_a principle_n of_o schoole-divinitie_n 67_o and_o according_a to_o this_o opinion_n although_o we_o shall_v suppose_v which_o be_v altogether_o untrue_a though_o often_o inculcate_v by_o my_o adversary_n that_o the_o inflict_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o the_o dispose_n of_o temporal_a thing_n be_v absolute_o necessary_a for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n yet_o they_o shall_v not_o therefore_o be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a power_n of_o the_o church_n but_o only_o to_o the_o temporal_a authority_n of_o christian_a prince_n who_o as_o the_o prophet_n isay_n foretell_v 49._o isa_n c._n 49._o be_v by_o god_n special_a providence_n appoint_v to_o be_v her_o nource_a father_n nurse_n and_o protector_n in_o such_o case_n of_o necessity_n spiritual_a pastor_n must_v implore_v the_o aid_n of_o christian_a prince_n and_o the_o brachium_fw-la seculare_fw-la or_o temporal_a power_n be_v bind_v by_o her_o law_n and_o other_o mean_n to_o help_v the_o spiritual_a and_o both_o of_o they_o have_v need_v one_o of_o the_o other_o be_v so_o unite_v link_a and_o conjoin_v as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o 1._o before_o paâ—t_fw-la 2._o c._n 1._o one_o with_o the_o other_o among_o christian_n aught_o to_o use_v all_o due_a mean_n to_o help_v each_o other_o yet_o without_o break_v the_o bound_n and_o limit_n prescribe_v by_o christ_n to_o either_o of_o they_o 68_o but_o true_o in_o my_o opinion_n the_o weakness_n of_o their_o cause_n and_o of_o the_o ground_n of_o this_o their_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o pope_n temporal_a monarchy_n over_o absolute_a prince_n call_v it_o direct_v or_o indirect_a as_o you_o please_v may_v to_o any_o man_n of_o judgement_n sufficient_o appear_v by_o their_o so_o often_o decline_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o question_n and_o not_o stand_v upon_o any_o sure_a or_o certain_a ground_n but_o fly_v from_o one_o argument_n to_o another_o as_o from_o convenience_n to_o absolute_a necessity_n sometime_o affirm_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v depose_v prince_n and_o dispose_v of_o temporal_a thing_n when_o it_o be_v convenient_a for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o salvation_n of_o soul_n other_o time_n when_o it_o be_v absolute_o necessary_a thereunto_o but_o as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o seq_fw-la before_o cap._n 7._o nu_fw-la 36_o &_o seq_fw-la this_o absolute_a necessity_n be_v a_o mere_a fiction_n and_o only_o suppose_v but_o never_o prove_v and_o this_o pretend_a temporal_a authority_n of_o the_o pope_n 9_o almain_n de_fw-fr potest_fw-la eccle._n q._n 1_o cap._n 9_o as_o almain_n say_v be_v rather_o very_o hurtful_a than_o any_o way_n necessary_a either_o for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o pope_n or_o of_o christian_a people_n and_o if_o by_o the_o practice_n of_o deposition_n as_o of_o henry_n the_o four_o by_o pope_n gregory_n the_o seven_o of_o fredrike_v the_o second_o by_o innocent_a the_o four_o of_o philip_n the_o the_o fair_a by_o boniface_n the_o eight_o of_o our_o king_n henry_n the_o eight_o by_o paul_n the_o three_o and_o queen_n elizabeth_n by_o pope_n pius_n the_o five_o which_o be_v the_o most_o famous_a deposition_n of_o all_o we_o may_v gather_v whether_o this_o authority_n be_v necessary_a or_o hurtful_a to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n all_o history_n make_v mention_v what_o infinite_a harm_n rather_o than_o any_o good_a at_o all_o come_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n thereby_o and_o this_o i_o hope_v may_v suffice_v for_o the_o confirmation_n of_o my_o second_o answer_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n and_o for_o the_o confutation_n of_o my_o adversary_n reply_n now_o let_v we_o see_v the_o three_o answer_n chap._n xiii_o wherein_o widdrington_n three_o answer_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n be_v confirm_v and_o also_o it_o be_v show_v how_o certain_a it_o be_v according_a to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o learned_a catholic_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o decree_n or_o precept_n of_o manner_n from_o whence_o it_o be_v clear_o deduce_v that_o from_o the_o decree_n or_o rather_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n it_o can_v with_o any_o colour_n of_o probability_n be_v prove_v that_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o pope_n have_v authority_n to_o depose_v temporal_a prince_n and_o all_o m._n fitzherberts_n argument_n to_o show_v the_o contrary_a be_v most_o plain_o confute_v 1_o because_o my_o adversary_n do_v so_o much_o rely_v upon_o this_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n that_o they_o think_v it_o alone_o to_o be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v their_o doctrine_n certain_a and_o of_o faith_n and_o therefore_o fear_v not_o to_o brand_v the_o contrary_a with_o the_o note_n of_o heresy_n my_o three_o answer_n to_o their_o argument_n ground_v upon_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n be_v that_o the_o canon_n or_o decree_n for_o so_o we_o call_v it_o yet_o of_o the_o say_a council_n touch_v the_o deposition_n of_o temporal_a landlord_n governor_n or_o lord_n be_v no_o matter_n of_o faith_n but_o of_o fact_n only_o wherein_o as_o well_o the_o pope_n as_o those_o father_n follow_v their_o own_o opinion_n may_v err_v and_o that_o the_o council_n do_v not_o determine_v or_o define_v that_o the_o future_a deposition_n not_o of_o prince_n as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n translate_v it_o but_o of_o temporal_a landlord_n magistrate_n or_o lord_n shall_v proceed_v from_o a_o undoubted_a lawful_a power_n or_o from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a power_n alone_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o prince_n and_o therefore_o the_o opinion_n of_o those_o father_n yield_v no_o more_o certainty_n for_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n then_o if_o they_o have_v declare_v their_o opinion_n forth_o of_o the_o council_n see_v that_o this_o only_a can_v be_v gather_v from_o the_o certain_a and_o undoubted_a doctrine_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n that_o the_o infallible_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v promise_v by_o our_o saviour_n christ_n not_o to_o the_o fact_n or_o probable_a opinion_n of_o pope_n or_o counsel_n but_o only_o to_o their_o definition_n 2_o against_o this_o answer_n mr._n fitzherbert_n take_v some_o idle_a and_o frivolous_a exception_n and_o first_o he_o carp_v at_o that_o distinction_n or_o antithesis_fw-la betwixt_o rem_fw-la facti_fw-la duntaxat_fw-la and_o rem_fw-la fidei_fw-la a_o matter_n of_o fact_n only_o and_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n which_o he_o will_v have_v i_o to_o reform_v and_o to_o make_v it_o according_a to_o the_o
or_o particular_a church_n or_o bishop_n and_o the_o other_o that_o it_o be_v propound_v with_o a_o obligation_n to_o be_v believe_v as_o of_o faith_n which_o also_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n confirm_v for_o in_o counsel_n 42._o bellar._n lib._n 2._o de_fw-fr conc._n cap._n 42._o say_v he_o the_o great_a part_n of_o the_o act_n do_v not_o appertain_v to_o faith_n for_o neither_o be_v of_o faith_n the_o disputation_n that_o go_v before_o nor_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v add_v nor_o those_o thing_n which_o be_v bring_v to_o explicate_v and_o illustrate_v but_o only_o the_o bare_a decree_n and_o those_o not_o all_o but_o those_o only_o which_o be_v propound_v as_o of_o faith_n and_o it_o be_v easy_a say_v they_o to_o know_v when_o the_o council_n do_v propound_v any_o thing_n with_o a_o obligation_n to_o be_v believe_v as_o of_o faith_n by_o the_o word_n of_o the_o council_n itself_o for_o they_o always_o use_v to_o say_v that_o they_o declare_v the_o catholic_a faith_n or_o account_v they_o for_o heretic_n or_o which_o be_v most_o common_a denounce_v anathema_n or_o excommunicate_v they_o who_o shall_v believe_v the_o contrary_a but_o when_o none_o of_o these_o thing_n be_v say_v it_o be_v not_o certain_a say_v cardinal_n bellarmine_n that_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n whereby_o may_v be_v plain_o see_v the_o insolent_a temeritie_n of_o some_o especial_o this_o my_o adversary_n who_o fear_v not_o to_o call_v they_o heretic_n that_o deny_v the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n see_v that_o neither_o from_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n nor_o from_o any_o other_o council_n either_o general_n or_o provincial_a nor_o which_o be_v more_o from_o any_o one_o canon_n of_o any_o particular_a pope_n they_o can_v bring_v so_o much_o as_o a_o colourable_a show_n of_o any_o such_o decree_n which_o according_a to_o the_o aforesaid_a rule_n of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o canus_n have_v the_o condition_n require_v to_o make_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n 5._o canus_n lib._n 5._o de_fw-la loc_fw-la cap._n 5._o q._n 5._o 8_o now_o concern_v decree_n and_o precept_n belong_v to_o manner_n or_o thing_n command_v or_o forbid_v to_o be_v do_v the_o say_a canus_n have_v first_o suppose_v and_o distinguish_v that_o the_o question_n may_v be_v either_o of_o such_o thing_n as_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o be_v command_v or_o forbid_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n or_o nature_n or_o of_o such_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o so_o necessary_a he_o set_v down_o this_o conclusion_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o such_o manner_n as_o be_v necessary_a to_o salvation_n therefore_o if_o the_o church_n by_o a_o firm_a decree_n do_v define_v that_o any_o thing_n be_v to_o be_v do_v or_o to_o be_v avoid_v she_o can_v err_v therein_o as_o for_o example_n in_o command_a layman_n to_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n under_o one_o only_a kind_n from_o whence_o he_o infer_v this_o second_o conclusion_n that_o when_o the_o church_n in_o a_o matter_n of_o moment_n and_o which_o be_v very_o profitable_a for_o the_o reform_n of_o christian_a manner_n do_v make_v law_n to_o all_o christian_a people_n she_o can_v command_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o natural_a reason_n wherefore_o as_o a_o general_a council_n can_v propound_v false_a thing_n to_o be_v believe_v by_o the_o people_n so_o it_o can_v propound_v evil_a thing_n to_o be_v do_v propound_v say_v he_o by_o a_o firm_a and_o certain_a decree_n by_o which_o all_o man_n be_v bind_v to_o believe_v and_o do_v under_o pain_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n 9_o but_o as_o concern_v the_o certainty_n of_o this_o doctrine_n especial_o touch_v thing_n which_o be_v not_o so_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n as_o not_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o natural_a reason_n whether_o it_o be_v heretical_a to_o affirm_v that_o some_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v evil_a or_o some_o law_n of_o the_o church_n be_v unjust_a i_o dare_v not_o say_v canus_n define_v or_o determine_v whereupon_o he_o excuse_v those_o from_o heresy_n who_o shall_v affirm_v that_o the_o church_n do_v err_v in_o the_o custom_n of_o communicate_v the_o people_n under_o one_o kind_n only_o and_o he_o answer_v to_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n which_o ordain_v that_o those_o be_v to_o be_v condemn_v as_o heretic_n who_o affirm_v the_o church_n to_o err_v therein_o that_o the_o council_n at_o that_o time_n be_v without_o a_o head_n and_o that_o pope_n martin_n do_v not_o simple_o or_o absolute_o approve_v that_o article_n but_o he_o only_o define_v that_o those_o who_o shall_v teach_v that_o the_o church_n do_v err_v in_o that_o manner_n of_o custom_n be_v to_o be_v condemn_v as_o heretic_n or_o as_o savour_v heresy_n therefore_o that_o which_o pope_n martin_n be_v precedent_n of_o the_o council_n dare_v not_o condemn_v by_o the_o name_n of_o heresy_n neither_o i_o say_v canus_n dare_v nor_o aught_o to_o impeach_v of_o a_o great_a censure_n but_o if_o in_o a_o custom_n necessary_a to_o salvation_n which_o that_o seem_v to_o be_v whereof_o there_o be_v a_o controversy_n in_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n the_o modesty_n of_o pope_n martin_n be_v so_o great_a how_o much_o more_o modest_a aught_o we_o to_o be_v in_o condemn_v other_o error_n which_o be_v repugnant_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n thus_o canus_n which_o doctrine_n i_o will_v desire_v my_o adversary_n and_o such_o other_o unlearned_a hoat-spurre_n who_o have_v heresy_n and_o heretical_a so_o frequent_a in_o their_o mouth_n little_o know_v themselves_o what_o heresy_n be_v diligent_o to_o consider_v 10_o also_o the_o say_a canus_n excuse_v from_o heresy_n those_o who_o disproove_v the_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n to_o carry_v about_o in_o solemn_a procession_n the_o b._n sacrament_n for_o albeit_o say_v he_o to_o reprehend_v this_o custom_n upon_o this_o ground_n that_o christ_n be_v not_o real_o and_o true_o present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n be_v heresy_n yet_o if_o thou_o regard_v the_o error_n in_o itself_o it_o savour_v heresy_n it_o be_v rashness_n and_o imprudence_n and_o although_o it_o be_v to_o be_v censure_v for_o many_o respect_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o heresy_n see_v that_o albeit_o in_o this_o custom_n the_o church_n shall_v not_o err_v yet_o her_o authority_n will_v not_o therefore_o be_v endanger_v in_o matter_n of_o great_a moment_n neither_o do_v the_o council_n of_o trent_n simple_o or_o absolute_o say_v anathema_n to_o those_o that_o shall_v reprehend_v this_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n but_o to_o those_o that_o therefore_o reprehend_v it_o because_o they_o do_v not_o admit_v the_o real_a presence_n of_o christ_n in_o the_o eucharist_n and_o therefore_o neither_o the_o adoration_n and_o worship_n thereof_o 11_o in_o like_a manner_n he_o excuse_v from_o heresy_n those_o who_o affirm_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v in_o the_o canonisation_n of_o saint_n for_o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v say_v he_o that_o some_o manner_n or_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v deliver_v to_o the_o church_n by_o christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n wherein_o he_o that_o shall_v say_v the_o church_n to_o err_v do_v make_v christ_n and_o the_o apostle_n to_o be_v author_n of_o that_o error_n but_o other_o manner_n or_o custom_n be_v bring_v in_o since_o the_o apostle_n wherein_o although_o the_o church_n shall_v err_v yet_o faith_n will_v not_o therefore_o be_v endanger_v therefore_o without_o danger_n of_o heresy_n it_o may_v be_v hold_v that_o the_o church_n may_v in_o some_o law_n and_o custom_n err_v and_o he_o bring_v a_o reason_n wherefore_o it_o be_v not_o heretical_a to_o say_v that_o the_o church_n may_v err_v in_o the_o canonization_n of_o saint_n by_o which_o he_o prove_v a_o little_a before_o that_o in_o manner_n custom_n precept_n and_o law_n which_o be_v not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a man_n or_o church_n the_o 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or_o lord_n who_o remain_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v their_o territory_n of_o heretical_a filth_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o apostle_n decree_n 22_o and_o the_o like_a also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 179._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o may_v be_v say_v concern_v other_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n the_o impugner_n whereof_o have_v be_v hold_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v decree_v 83._o decree_v baron_fw-fr a_o 159_o euseb_n lib._n 23._o cap._n 22._o 23._o 24_o &_o 25._o theod._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o athan._n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr synod_n arimin_n ambros_n epist_n 83._o by_o pope_n pius_n the_o first_o and_o confirm_v by_o pope_n victor_n and_o after_o by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v at_o the_o same_o time_n that_o now_o it_o be_v keep_v universal_o throughout_o christendom_n according_a to_o the_o tradition_n leave_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n by_o s._n peter_n whereas_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n do_v celebrate_v the_o say_a feast_n with_o the_o jew_n to_o wit_n at_o the_o time_n prescribe_v in_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n follow_v therein_o the_o tradition_n or_o at_o least_o the_o practice_n of_o s._n john_n the_o evangelist_n and_o albeit_o those_o decree_n ordain_v only_a matter_n of_o fact_n and_o practice_v yet_o they_o which_o have_v heretofore_o contradict_v the_o same_o and_o adhere_v to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v and_o be_v still_o hold_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n 29._o epiphan_n haer_fw-mi 50_o s._n aug_n haer_fw-mi 29._o and_o register_v for_o such_o by_o s._n epiphanius_n and_o s._n augustine_n in_o their_o catalogue_n of_o heretic_n under_o the_o name_n and_o title_n of_o tessarescedecatitae_n that_o be_v to_o say_v quartadecimani_fw-la who_o with_o this_o distinction_n of_o widdrington_n and_o his_o argument_n may_v far_o more_o probable_o defend_v their_o opinion_n than_o he_o do_v or_o can_v defend_v he_o for_o they_o may_v say_v as_o well_o as_o he_o that_o those_o decree_n be_v not_o matter_n of_o faith_n but_o matter_n of_o fact_n only_o wherein_o both_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o counsel_n may_v follow_v their_o own_o private_a opinion_n and_o consequent_o err_v which_o be_v add_v to_o that_o which_o they_o say_v in_o defence_n of_o their_o heresy_n and_o may_v true_o say_v to_o wit_n that_o they_o follow_v the_o practice_n of_o s._n john_n the_o evangelist_n and_o of_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n 23._o euseb_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la beda_n lib._n 3._o hist_o cap._n 23._o which_o receive_v the_o same_o by_o tradition_n from_o he_o and_o continue_v it_o without_o interruption_n for_o 150._o year_n this_o i_o say_v will_v give_v another_o manner_n of_o probability_n to_o their_o doctrine_n than_o he_o can_v any_o way_n pretend_v for_o he_o and_o yet_o nevertheless_o they_o be_v worthy_o hold_v for_o heretic_n 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heretic_n that_o do_v contradict_v they_o as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o seq_fw-la before_o see_v chap._n 13_o nu_fw-la 4._o &_o 7._o and_o see_v also_o the_o answer_n thereunto_o chap._n 13._o nu_fw-la 22._o &_o seq_fw-la 31_o the_o like_a also_o may_v be_v say_v of_o the_o rebaptisation_n of_o such_o as_o be_v baptize_v by_o heretic_n which_o be_v condemn_v by_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a upon_o a_o assure_a ground_n albeit_o the_o same_o seem_v uncertain_a and_o erroneous_a to_o saint_n cyprian_n and_o to_o a_o synod_n of_o bishop_n with_o he_o who_o be_v of_o contrary_a opinion_n so_o as_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o many_o thing_n may_v seem_v uncertain_a to_o some_o learned_a man_n and_o yet_o be_v most_o certain_a to_o the_o sea_n apostolic_a and_o therefore_o widdrington_n argue_v very_o ridiculous_o if_o he_o infer_v as_o he_o seem_v to_o do_v that_o the_o reason_n which_o move_v some_o pope_n to_o give_v licence_n to_o priest_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n be_v uncertain_a or_o erroneous_a because_o it_o seem_v so_o to_o some_o learned_a man_n 32_o but_o beside_o that_o i_o make_v no_o such_o inference_n as_o this_o man_n faign_v and_o the_o reader_n may_v plain_o see_v by_o the_o example_n and_o instance_n which_o i_o have_v entire_o set_v down_o and_o mr._n fitzherbert_n have_v fraudulent_o conceal_v it_o be_v evident_a that_o he_o here_o insinuate_v give_v credit_n therein_o to_o fa._n lessius_fw-la a_o most_o dangerous_a and_o pernicious_a doctrine_n to_o wit_n that_o all_o catholic_n be_v bind_v to_o follow_v in_o matter_n which_o be_v in_o controversy_n among_o learned_a man_n the_o pope_n private_a spirit_n faith_n and_o knowledge_n as_o though_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v to_o be_v guide_v and_o govern_v in_o matter_n which_o be_v questionable_a among_o learned_a catholic_n by_o the_o private_a faith_n spirit_n or_o knowledge_n of_o any_o man_n yea_o of_o the_o pope_n himself_o or_o that_o christ_n have_v promise_v his_o infallible_a assistance_n to_o the_o pope_n private_a knowledge_n or_o judgement_n 33_o and_o first_o whereas_o mr._n fitzherbert_n affirm_v that_o although_o the_o reason_n which_o move_v some_o pope_n to_o grant_v licence_n to_o inferior_a priest_n to_o administer_v the_o sacrament_n of_o confirmation_n seem_v uncertain_a to_o some_o learned_a man_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o therefore_o uncertain_a in_o itself_o or_o to_o the_o pope_n that_o give_v the_o licence_n he_o speak_v very_o improper_o for_o albeit_o truth_n and_o falsehood_n be_v take_v from_o the_o thing_n itself_o according_a to_o that_o know_a maxim_n of_o aristotle_n ex_fw-la eo_fw-la quod_fw-la res_fw-la est_fw-la vel_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la propositio_fw-la dicitur_fw-la vera_fw-la vel_fw-la falsa_fw-la and_o so_o may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o the_o thing_n itself_o yet_o certainty_n as_o certain_a be_v oppose_v to_o doubtful_a uncertain_a fallible_a probable_a erroneous_a be_v not_o proper_o in_o the_o thing_n itself_o but_o in_o the_o understanding_n
fa._n lessius_fw-la his_fw-la first_o argument_n which_o he_o produce_v without_o any_o restriction_n or_o limitation_n to_o be_v restrain_v and_o limit_v only_o to_o the_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o general_a counsel_n which_o be_v make_v for_o the_o direction_n and_o government_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v not_o only_o concern_v particular_a fact_n licence_n dispensation_n and_o judicial_a sentence_n concern_v some_o particular_a country_n or_o person_n beside_o that_o i_o have_v declare_v above_o in_o what_o sense_n that_o proposition_n be_v true_a to_o wit_n that_o such_o decree_n must_v be_v make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a and_o not_o civil_a authority_n and_o also_o that_o they_o must_v be_v such_o decree_n and_o sentence_n wherein_o it_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v i_o have_v also_o here_o produce_v a_o decree_n of_o pope_n sixtus_n the_o four_o concern_v the_o feast_n of_o the_o bless_a virgin_n conception_n which_o be_v 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the_o deposition_n of_o temporal_a landlord_n or_o magistrate_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o i_o make_v no_o inference_n or_o any_o mention_n at_o all_o thereof_o in_o any_o one_o of_o my_o three_o instance_n or_o example_n as_o this_o man_n most_o shameful_o affirm_v 43_o yet_o if_o he_o will_v needs_o have_v i_o to_o apply_v this_o doctrine_n touch_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o the_o ground_n and_o foundation_n of_o pope_n decree_n and_o sentence_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o general_a counsel_n and_o in_o particular_a to_o the_o often_o name_v act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n i_o do_v confident_o affirm_v that_o whensoever_o it_o be_v uncertain_a and_o disputable_a among_o learned_a catholic_n whether_o a_o general_a council_n have_v authority_n to_o make_v this_o or_o that_o decree_n by_o her_o spiritual_a power_n without_o the_o consent_n and_o authority_n of_o temporal_a prince_n as_o to_o inflict_v temporal_a punishment_n and_o to_o dispose_v of_o temporal_n wherein_o temporal_a 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whole_a church_n and_o all_o the_o faithful_a and_o consequent_o as_o well_o clerk_n as_o layman_n for_o only_o in_o this_o case_n say_v canus_n the_o counsel_n 4._o canus_n l._n 5._o de_fw-la locis_fw-la c._n 5._o q._n 4._o or_o father_n be_v to_o be_v understand_v to_o pronounce_v of_o faith_n when_o the_o sentence_n or_o decree_n belong_v to_o all_o christian_n when_o it_o bind_v all_o therefore_o the_o doctrine_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n say_v he_o if_o it_o be_v propound_v to_o the_o whole_a church_n if_o it_o be_v also_o propound_v with_o a_o obligation_n to_o be_v believe_v then_o do_v their_o sentence_n or_o decree_v concern_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n and_o concern_v decree_n and_o precept_n of_o manner_n canus_n teach_v the_o same_o when_o the_o church_n say_v he_o in_o a_o matter_n of_o weight_n and_o which_o be_v very_o profitable_a for_o the_o reform_n of_o christian_a manner_n do_v make_v law_n to_o all_o the_o people_n she_o can_v command_v any_o thing_n which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o gospel_n or_o natural_a reason_n but_o in_o manner_n not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o which_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a man_n or_o church_n she_o may_v err_v through_o ignorance_n not_o only_o in_o her_o judgement_n of_o thing_n do_v but_o also_o in_o her_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n 5._o bellar._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n cap._n 3._o &_o 5._o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n also_o affirm_v that_o those_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n wherein_o the_o pope_n in_o who_o he_o put_v all_o the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n can_v err_v must_v be_v general_a and_o be_v propound_v and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a 24_o now_o this_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n forasmuch_o as_o it_o concern_v the_o absolve_a of_o vassal_n from_o their_o fealty_n beside_o that_o it_o be_v not_o proper_o a_o decree_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n ground_n as_o i_o signify_v before_o contain_v in_o it_o any_o 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tunc_fw-la ipse_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o from_o that_o time_n the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v his_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n can_v only_o bind_v either_o the_o pope_n to_o make_v that_o denunciation_n or_o that_o temporal_a lord_n not_o to_o exact_v of_o his_o vassal_n temporal_a fealty_n or_o the_o vassal_n not_o to_o give_v to_o that_o temporal_a lord_n temporal_a fealty_n and_o so_o it_o can_v bind_v clergy_n man_n who_o do_v not_o owe_v any_o temporal_a fidelity_n or_o obedience_n to_o temporal_a lord_n according_a to_o my_o adversary_n false_a doctrine_n nor_o also_o all_o vassal_n but_o only_o those_o of_o that_o temporal_a lord_n whereupon_o the_o decree_n be_v not_o general_a and_o belong_v to_o all_o the_o faithful_a which_o nevertheless_o be_v necessary_a that_o any_o decree_n or_o precept_n concern_v faith_n or_o manner_n do_v appertain_v to_o faith_n 25_o and_o if_o perchance_o my_o adversary_n will_v say_v that_o it_o bind_v all_o
lateran_n council_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n the_o more_o he_o bewray_v his_o own_o ignorance_n and_o the_o weakness_n of_o his_o cause_n and_o the_o uncertainty_n of_o his_o new_a broach_v catholic_a faith_n 11_o and_o true_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 3._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 200._o nu_fw-la 3._o but_o that_o great_a difference_n be_v to_o be_v make_v as_o widdrington_n say_v well_o out_o of_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n betwixt_o the_o certainty_n of_o the_o decree_n of_o counsel_n and_o of_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v allege_v therein_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o all_o reason_n be_v not_o of_o like_a weight_n certainty_n or_o probability_n nevertheless_o it_o be_v absurd_a to_o say_v that_o the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v and_o suppose_v in_o any_o decree_n of_o a_o ecumenical_a council_n can_v be_v false_a for_o so_o also_o the_o decree_n itself_o shall_v be_v false_a and_o the_o error_n of_o both_o just_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o author_n thereof_o 12_o but_o here_o my_o adversary_n shoot_v his_o bolt_n far_o beyond_o the_o mark_n for_o as_o not_o all_o decree_n of_o ecumenical_a counsel_n be_v certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o only_o those_o which_o be_v make_v by_o true_a ecclesiastical_a authority_n and_o be_v propound_v as_o of_o faith_n and_o which_o be_v general_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n and_o do_v bind_v all_o the_o faithful_a so_o neither_o must_v the_o fundamental_a reason_n or_o doctrine_n which_o be_v necessary_o include_v in_o every_o decree_n of_o a_o oecumenial_a council_n be_v of_o necessity_n certain_a infallible_a and_o of_o faith_n but_o it_o may_v be_v false_a and_o expose_v to_o error_n as_o the_o decree_n itself_o whereof_o it_o be_v a_o fundamental_a reason_n 13_o and_o this_o i_o say_v of_o decree_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 194._o num_fw-la 4._o 5._o that_o concern_v not_o only_a matter_n of_o belief_n but_o also_o manner_n or_o matter_n of_o fact_n such_o as_o be_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o apostle_n at_o jerusalem_n wherein_o they_o doubt_v not_o to_o say_v visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la sancto_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la 15._o act_n 15._o it_o have_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o ascribe_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n assistance_n their_o determination_n not_o only_o of_o the_o decree_n itself_o but_o also_o of_o the_o foundation_n whereupon_o it_o be_v ground_v i_o mean_v the_o equality_n justice_n and_o conveniency_n of_o it_o for_o it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n assist_v and_o guide_v they_o first_o to_o determine_v what_o be_v lawful_a and_o convenient_a to_o be_v decree_v and_o execute_v and_o then_o after_o to_o ordain_v and_o decree_v it_o the_o one_o so_o depend_v on_o the_o other_o that_o if_o they_o have_v fail_v in_o the_o former_a they_o will_v not_o have_v just_o decree_v the_o latter_a that_o be_v to_o say_v if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v lawful_a and_o convenient_a for_o christian_n at_o that_o time_n to_o abstain_v from_o strangle_a meat_n and_o blood_n the_o apostle_n can_v not_o have_v lawful_o ordain_v and_o decree_v it_o and_o therefore_o the_o decree_n be_v just_a and_o ascribe_v to_o the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n the_o foundation_n or_o ground_n and_o all_o the_o necessary_a consequent_n thereof_o must_v needs_o be_v grant_v to_o be_v lawful_a and_o just_a and_o to_o flow_v from_o one_o fountain_n that_o be_v to_o say_v from_o the_o holy_a ghost_n inspiration_n and_o assistance_n 14_o but_o first_o as_o concern_v matter_n of_o belief_n i_o grant_v with_o canus_n that_o it_o be_v certain_a and_o of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n can_v err_v when_o she_o propound_v a_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n with_o a_o obligation_n to_o bind_v all_o the_o faithful_a to_o believe_v the_o same_o and_o likewise_o in_o 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judicious_a reader_n by_o that_o which_o i_o have_v before_o relate_v out_o of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o canus_n may_v have_v some_o light_n how_o to_o judge_v of_o this_o question_n for_o he_o grant_v that_o it_o be_v not_o heretical_a to_o affirm_v that_o the_o charch_n may_v err_v in_o the_o canonise_a of_o saint_n for_o that_o her_o judgement_n herein_o depend_v upon_o a_o uncertain_a ground_n to_o wit_n upon_o the_o relation_n information_n and_o judgement_n of_o other_o man_n which_o be_v uncertain_a and_o fallible_a and_o consequent_o according_a to_o his_o ground_n she_o may_v err_v in_o all_o such_o decree_n which_o depend_v upon_o uncertain_a and_o fallible_a ground_n and_o foundation_n and_o the_o leardn_a divine_n of_o his_o own_o society_n as_o salmeron_n suarez_n and_o vasquez_n who_o according_a to_o the_o censure_n of_o this_o my_o rash_a and_o ignorant_a adversary_n be_v very_o absurd_a and_o impertinent_a therein_o do_v constant_o hold_v that_o the_o fundamental_a 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special_a and_o extraordinary_a assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o therefore_o from_o that_o decree_n of_o the_o apostle_n concern_v the_o not_o eat_v of_o blood_n and_o strangle_a meat_n who_o be_v peculiarly_a and_o extraordinary_o assist_v and_o replenish_v with_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o therefore_o may_v well_o say_v visum_fw-la est_fw-la spiritui_fw-la &_o nobis_fw-la 2._o act_n 2._o it_o have_v seem_v good_a to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n and_o we_o no_o sufficient_a argument_n can_v be_v bring_v to_o prove_v that_o therefore_o it_o be_v a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o the_o church_n now_o can_v likewise_o err_v in_o make_v such_o decree_n 16_o three_o mr._n fitzherbert_n must_v also_o distinguish_v betwixt_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o a_o ecclesiastical_a decree_n concern_v manner_n and_o matter_n of_o fact_n and_o the_o certainty_n or_o infallibility_n thereof_o for_o that_o many_o decree_n may_v be_v lawful_a and_o consequent_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v until_o the_o unlawfulnesse_n or_o injustice_n thereof_o be_v manifest_a and_o yet_o not_o infallible_a as_o it_o be_v evident_a in_o the_o civil_a law_n of_o temporal_a prince_n and_o commonwealth_n who_o law_n be_v lawful_a and_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v by_o their_o subject_n so_o long_o as_o the_o unlawfulnesse_n or_o injustice_n of_o they_o be_v not_o apparent_a and_o yet_o they_o be_v not_o therefore_o infallible_a and_o so_o a_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n after_o due_a examination_n approve_v the_o final_a sanctity_n of_o such_o or_o such_o a_o man_n decease_v and_o upon_o that_o ground_n command_v all_o the_o faithful_a to_o celebrate_v his_o feast_n be_v lawful_a and_o aught_o to_o be_v obey_v until_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o she_o be_v deceive_v and_o misinform_v by_o false_a relation_n and_o yet_o it_o be_v not_o therefore_o infallible_a and_o a_o point_n of_o faith_n that_o he_o be_v true_o a_o saint_n and_o die_v in_o true_a sanctity_n and_o holiness_n of_o
three_o instance_n or_o in_o this_o argument_n whereof_o now_o we_o treat_v make_v any_o mention_n at_o all_o of_o the_o lateran_n council_n although_o indeed_o i_o have_v now_o by_o the_o way_n and_o without_o any_o necessity_n urge_v i_o thereunto_o signify_v as_o you_o have_v see_v above_o that_o those_o word_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n ut_fw-la extuncipse_n etc._n etc._n that_o then_o the_o pope_n may_v denounce_v his_o vassal_n absolve_v from_o their_o fealty_n which_o my_o adversary_n affirm_v to_o be_v the_o decree_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n ordain_v the_o practice_n of_o the_o pope_n power_n to_o depose_v prince_n can_v according_a to_o their_o own_o ground_n be_v a_o true_a proper_a and_o formal_a decree_n contain_v any_o precept_n or_o obligation_n but_o rather_o the_o reason_n cause_n and_o end_n for_o which_o the_o former_a decree_n be_v make_v as_o i_o have_v more_o ample_o declare_v before_o 24_o second_o neither_o be_v all_o the_o reason_n of_o decree_n so_o 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