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of_o your_o present_a circumstance_n move_v you_o to_o do_v without_o any_o other_o danger_n than_o that_o of_o lose_v your_o credit_n with_o honest_a and_o inquisitive_a man_n which_o you_o do_v not_o seem_v much_o to_o value_v yet_o shall_v time_n and_o other_o circumstance_n invite_v you_o hereafter_o into_o a_o hot_a climate_n you_o may_v run_v some_o worse_a hazard_n among_o those_o who_o have_v not_o give_v themselves_o up_o to_o follow_v your_o innovation_n 3._o relation_n deal_v deal_v inquisition_n de_fw-mi goa_n pag._n 14_o 15._o cap._n 2_o 21._o cap._n 3._o it_o happen_v not_o many_o year_n since_o that_o a_o french_a gentleman_n be_v travel_v in_o the_o east-indies_n fall_v into_o some_o company_n at_o goa_n and_o there_o discourse_v about_o matter_n of_o religion_n according_a to_o your_o principle_n maintain_v that_o the_o crucifix_n be_v not_o otherwise_o to_o be_v adore_v than_o by_o report_v all_o the_o honour_n to_o our_o saviour_n christ_n represent_v by_o that_o 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