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A12592 A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie. Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them. 1588 (1588) STC 22909; ESTC S117654 118,250 200

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upon_o the_o epistle_n to_o the_o corinthian_n cap._n 15._o vers_fw-la 18._o i_o rest_v in_o their_o judgement_n chap._n 18._o that_o popish_a priest_n have_v a_o calling_n though_o a_o faulty_a one_o if_o popish_a priest_n have_v no_o call_n at_o all_o baptism_n be_v deliver_v in_o the_o popish_a church_n by_o private_a man_n which_o be_v a_o gross_a absurdity_n 2_o many_o popish_a priest_n after_o detestation_n of_o their_o popish_a error_n be_v allow_v minister_n in_o the_o reform_a church_n without_o imposition_n of_o hand_n etc._n etc._n therefore_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o best_a church_n they_o have_v before_o a_o call_n though_o a_o faulty_a one_o those_o execellent_a father_n and_o martyr_n cranmer_n rydley_n hooper_n latymer_n etc._n etc._n which_o be_v sometime_o popish_a priest_n be_v allow_v minister_n of_o the_o gospel_n without_o imposition_n of_o hand_n etc._n etc._n caluine_n write_v of_o popish_a priest_n have_v these_o word_n si_fw-la verò_fw-la quis_fw-la istiusmodi_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o a_o little_a after_o si_fw-mi obijcitur_fw-la pauli_n canon_n ille_fw-la quo_fw-la traditur_fw-la eligendum_fw-la episcopum_fw-la irreprehensibilem_fw-la esse_fw-la oportere_fw-la respondeo_fw-la non_fw-la hîc_fw-la agi_fw-la meo_fw-la quidem_fw-la iudicio_fw-la de_fw-la simplici_fw-la vel_fw-la absoluta_fw-la electione_n sed_fw-la de_fw-la approbatione_fw-la vel_fw-la restitutione_n ad_fw-la certum_fw-la munus_fw-la propter_fw-la interuenientem_fw-la corruptionem_fw-la and_o a_o little_a after_o duo_o sunt_fw-la in_o illo_fw-la statu_fw-la summa_fw-la vitia_fw-la vnum_fw-la quod_fw-la non_fw-la recta_fw-la ratione_fw-la instituti_fw-la sunt_fw-la ad_fw-la munus_fw-la eeclesiasticum_n etc._n etc._n the_o sum_n of_o m._n caluines_n word_n be_v that_o such_o popish_a priest_n as_o detest_a popery_n and_o be_v fit_a to_o be_v employ_v in_o the_o ministry_n may_v be_v allow_v or_o rather_o restore_v to_o the_o ecclesiastical_a function_n first_o because_o they_o be_v not_o before_o right_o institute_v second_o ad_fw-la corrigendum_fw-la praecedentem_fw-la defectum_fw-la that_o be_v to_o correct_v the_o former_a defect_n etc._n etc._n calu._n epist_n 373._o by_o which_o word_n it_o be_v manifest_v that_o popish_a priest_n even_o in_o the_o popish_a church_n have_v and_o have_v in_o m._n caluines_n judgement_n a_o calling_n though_o a_o faulty_a one_o the_o same_o m._n caluine_n in_o a_o other_o place_n have_v these_o word_n cogimur_fw-la fateri_fw-la penes_fw-la illos_fw-la esse_fw-la ordinarium_fw-la ministerium_fw-la that_o be_v we_o be_v compel_v to_o confess_v that_o papist_n have_v a_o ordinary_a ministry_n calu._n ezech_n cap._n 13._o v._n 9_o if_o m._n penry_n will_v take_v exception_n against_o m._n caluines_n writing_n &_o the_o judgement_n of_o all_o god_n church_n let_v he_o confute_v they_o very_o sound_o if_o he_o can_v do_v that_o he_o shall_v be_v account_v the_o rare_a man_n alive_a if_o he_o can_v not_o which_o i_o be_o very_o sure_a of_o he_o shall_v not_o be_v magnus_n apollo_n that_o be_v go_v for_o a_o patriarch_n as_o his_o ignorant_a follower_n do_v account_v he_o but_o he_o shall_v be_v dub_v as_o he_o be_v in_o deed_n a_o other_o nevius_n that_o be_v a_o loud_a and_o clamorous_a companion_n if_o either_o m._n penry_n or_o any_o of_o his_o fantastical_a crew_n shall_v think_v much_o of_o my_o speech_n i_o do_v not_o pass_v i_o confess_v free_o that_o sharp_a word_n be_v not_o sufficient_a plaster_n for_o such_o proud_a sore_n i_o hope_v the_o magistrate_n will_v consider_v further_o of_o he_o and_o such_o as_o he_o be_v duro_fw-la nodo_fw-la durus_fw-la cuneus_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o be_v a_o wedge_n of_o iron_n be_v fit_a for_o knotty_a wood_n chap._n 19.20_o they_o which_o be_v once_o baptize_v must_v not_o be_v baptize_v again_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o peace_n which_o be_v make_v and_o seal_v up_o in_o baptism_n be_v perpetual_a for_o almighty_a god_n remain_v ever_o faithful_a in_o his_o covenant_n therefore_o etc._n etc._n 2_o if_o baptism_n shall_v be_v iterate_v god_n fidelity_n which_o can_v be_v make_v void_a by_o our_o infidelity_n shall_v be_v call_v into_o question_n which_o be_v a_o heinous_a sin_n 3_o circumcision_n be_v never_o iterate_v therefore_o baptism_n may_v not_o baptism_n be_v to_o we_o as_o circumcision_n be_v to_o the_o israelite_n 4_o as_o the_o carnal_a generation_n be_v one_o so_o the_o spiritual_a generation_n be_v one_o semel_fw-la nascimur_fw-la semel_fw-la renascimur_fw-la 5_o it_o appear_v not_o in_o god_n book_n that_o any_o which_o receive_v baptismum_fw-la fluminis_fw-la be_v rebaptise_v baptizmo_fw-la fluminis_fw-la 6_o agrippinus_n the_o bishop_n of_o carthage_n be_v author_n of_o iterate_v baptism_n etc._n etc._n vinc._n lir._n cap._n 9_o chap._n 20._o there_o be_v true_a baptism_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n such_o as_o be_v and_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v and_o be_v engraft_v by_o baptism_n into_o a_o true_a christ_n therefore_o
in_o m._n penryes_n treatise_n etc._n etc._n by_o r._n some_o doctor_n of_o divinity_n rom_n chap._n 16._o vers_fw-la 17.18_o i_o beseech_v you_o brethren_n mark_v they_o diligent_o which_o cause_n division_n and_o offence_n contrary_a to_o the_o doctrine_n which_o you_o have_v learn_v and_o avoy_n de_fw-fr they_o for_o they_o that_o be_v such_o serve_v not_o the_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n but_o their_o own_o belly_n and_o with_o fair_a speech_n and_o flatter_a deceive_v the_o heart_n of_o the_o simple_a imprint_v at_o london_n by_o g.b._n deputy_n to_o christopher_n barker_n printer_n to_o the_o queen_n most_o excellent_a majesty_n 1588._o to_o the_o reader_n i_o do_v publish_v a_o short_a treatise_n in_o may_n last_o it_o have_v please_v one_o m._n penry_n to_o examine_v part_n of_o it_o and_o as_o a_o other_o aristarchus_n to_o censure_v it_o his_o book_n be_v send_v i_o i_o have_v view_v it_o and_o do_v find_v strange_a thing_n in_o it_o advise_v be_v give_v i_o not_o to_o vouchsafe_v a_o answer_n because_o m._n penry_n be_v very_o ignorant_a and_o his_o treatise_n very_o silly_a and_o corrupt_a stuff_n i_o consider_v waighte_o of_o it_o but_o resolve_v to_o take_v some_o pain_n the_o reason_n which_o induce_v i_o be_v first_o s._n paul_n vouchsafe_v in_o god_n cause_n to_o deal_v with_o demetrius_n the_o silver_n and_o alexander_n the_o copper_n smith_n the_o prophet_n ezechiel_n in_o the_o like_a cause_n do_v set_v himself_o against_o certain_a wicked_a woman_n etc._n etc._n ezech._n 13._o second_o many_o have_v be_v mislead_v by_o his_o absurd_a fancy_n to_o cure_v these_o if_o god_n will_v and_o to_o stay_v other_o my_o labour_n be_v not_o amiss_o last_o i_o be_o personal_o both_o charge_v and_o challenge_v by_o he_o therefore_o it_o become_v i_o to_o take_v pen_n in_o hand_n m._n penries_n book_n be_v a_o fardel_n of_o gross_a error_n none_o account_n of_o it_o but_o such_o as_o be_v of_o the_o fantastical_a crew_n man_n extreme_o both_o proud_a and_o ignorant_a he_o have_v as_o many_o learned_a man_n of_o his_o side_n as_o h._n n._n the_o prince_n of_o the_o family_n of_o love_n have_v of_o he_o that_o be_v never_o a_o one_o therefore_o a_o little_a arithmetic_n will_v serve_v to_o number_v they_o if_o it_o have_v please_v he_o to_o have_v consider_v of_o and_o rest_v in_o the_o judgement_n and_o direction_n of_o very_a famous_a man_n and_o church_n he_o have_v not_o swerve_v from_o god_n book_n he_o have_v sail_v by_o a_o sure_a compass_n he_o have_v not_o broach_v such_o fancy_n as_o god_n church_n with_o one_o voice_n condemn_v nestorius_n be_v a_o absurd_a heretic_n he_o have_v some_o sparkle_n of_o eloquence_n by_o nature_n he_o be_v in_o his_o own_o opinion_n learned_a but_o in_o deed_n very_o ignorant_a his_o pride_n be_v such_o that_o he_o vouchsafe_v not_o to_o read_v any_o interpreter_n socrat._n lib._n 7._o cap._n 32._o i_o assure_v myself_o that_o m._n penry_n be_v very_o far_o from_o nestorius_n heresy_n i_o will_v he_o be_v as_o clear_a ofpride_n and_o contempt_n of_o writer_n caluine_n beza_n etc._n etc._n man_n of_o excellent_a learning_n be_v cast_v off_o by_o he_o even_o in_o those_o weighty_a cause_n wherein_o they_o shake_v hand_n with_o all_o the_o church_n of_o god_n i_o do_v not_o belie_v he_o i_o charge_v he_o just_o it_o shall_v appear_v so_o by_o god_n grace_n in_o this_o treatise_n the_o question_n between_o he_o and_o i_o be_v not_o whether_o ignorant_a man_n may_v either_o enter_v into_o or_o continue_v in_o the_o holy_a ministry_n for_o my_o resolution_n be_v negative_a that_o be_v that_o they_o ought_v not_o but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o such_o as_o be_v and_o be_v baptize_v by_o popish_a priest_n and_o ignorant_a minister_n have_v and_o do_v receive_v a_o sacrament_n and_o whether_o the_o godly_a communicant_a be_v pollute_v by_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o the_o hand_n of_o unpreach_v minister_n the_o most_o famous_a man_n and_o church_n be_v peremptory_a for_o i_o and_o against_o he_o yea_o m._n penry_n himself_o join_v with_o i_o in_o many_o part_n of_o his_o treatise_n in_o some_o other_o part_n i_o confess_v he_o sing_v a_o other_o song_n absurd_a for_o matter_n and_o out_o of_o tune_n for_o manner_n this_o inconstancy_n of_o he_o proceed_v from_o a_o vain_a humour_n which_o as_o a_o whirlwind_n do_v strange_o carry_v and_o overcarrie_a he_o it_o be_v not_o in_o my_o hand_n to_o heal_v he_o if_o it_o be_v i_o will_v with_o all_o my_o heart_n i_o will_v pray_v unto_o god_n to_o cure_v he_o cathedram_fw-la in_o coelo_fw-la habet_fw-la qui_fw-la corda_fw-la docet_fw-la all_o that_o i_o desire_v of_o the_o godly_a reader_n be_v that_o he_o will_v read_v my_o treatise_n before_o he_o give_v sentence_n otherwise_o i_o may_v just_o charge_v he_o to_o bring_v not_o iudicium_fw-la but_o praejudicium_fw-la that_o be_v to_o be_v very_o partial_a let_v he_o in_o god_n name_n compare_v my_o argument_n and_o answer_n with_o my_o adversary_n and_o weigh_v they_o in_o equal_a balance_n if_o he_o do_v not_o see_v clear_o and_o feel_v sensible_o his_o gross_a error_n &_o anabaptisticall_a fancy_n his_o eye_n be_v dim_a his_o finger_n be_v benumb_v that_o he_o may_v have_v present_a and_o speedy_a view_n of_o the_o pearl_n in_o his_o book_n i_o have_v set_v down_o in_o a_o table_n diverse_a strange_a particular_n if_o they_o seem_v harsh_a and_o rough-hewen_a blame_v m._n penry_n for_o they_o come_v out_o of_o his_o forge_n yea_o i_o dare_v be_v bold_a to_o say_v that_o if_o the_o spider_n web_n be_v good_a cloth_n and_o the_o cockatrice_n egg_n wholesome_a meat_n than_o such_o point_n as_o i_o refute_v in_o this_o treatise_n be_v very_o excellent_a divinity_n i_o be_o not_o alone_a of_o this_o judgement_n the_o worthy_a divine_n in_o this_o land_n jump_o with_o i_o and_o do_v mislike_v and_o condemn_v his_o absurdity_n it_o please_v god_n to_o assist_v i_o gracious_o in_o the_o pain_n i_o have_v take_v i_o thank_v his_o majesty_n very_o humble_o for_o it_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o that_o he_o will_v give_v a_o blessing_n unto_o it_o the_o lord_n give_v we_o grace_n to_o see_v and_o know_v our_o ignorance_n to_o be_v true_o humble_a to_o grow_v in_o godly_a knowledge_n and_o not_o in_o anabaptistical_n and_o blasphemous_a fancy_n london_n septemb_n 19_o 1588._o necessaria_fw-la ignoramus_fw-la quia_fw-la non_fw-la necessaria_fw-la discimus_fw-la a_o table_n of_o some_o principal_a particular_n contain_v in_o this_o treatise_n almighty_a god_n never_o call_v any_o to_o be_v magistrate_n but_o he_o furnish_v they_o according_o chap._n 3._o pag._n 59_o 60._o 61._o magistracy_n be_v god_n ordinance_n not_o a_o devise_n of_o man_n chap._n 13._o page_n 136._o 137._o the_o read_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n do_v edify_v chap._n 4._o pag._n 62._o 63._o 64._o the_o scripture_n be_v of_o credit_n in_o itself_o chap._n 8._o page_n 102._o the_o popish_a church_n be_v a_o church_n though_o not_o a_o sound_n church_n chap._n 17._o pag._n 147._o 148._o 149._o 151._o and_o chap._n 23._o pag._n 176._o whosoever_o say_v or_o write_v that_o our_o queen_n be_v a_o schismatique_a for_o separate_v herself_o &_o her_o subject_n from_o the_o popish_a church_n if_o the_o popish_a church_n be_v a_o church_n in_o any_o regard_n make_v a_o gross_a and_o popish_a collection_n and_o be_v at_o the_o least_o a_o unduetifull_a subject_n chap._n 17._o page_n 151._o whether_o no_o more_o fellowship_n be_v to_o be_v have_v with_o papist_n in_o religion_n matter_n then_o with_o pagane_n idolater_n cap._n 23._o pa._n 181._o amightie_a god_n never_o call_v any_o to_o the_o holy_a ministry_n either_o in_o the_o old_a or_o new_a testament_n but_o he_o furnish_v they_o with_o gift_n fit_a for_o that_o holy_a function_n chap._n 2._o pag._n 55._o 56._o etc._n etc._n such_o as_o be_v in_o the_o ministry_n and_o have_v gift_n in_o no_o measure_n aught_o to_o be_v remove_v by_o the_o magistrate_n and_o governor_n of_o the_o church_n chap._n 9_o page_n 110._o none_o unbaptise_v may_v be_v a_o public_a teacher_n in_o the_o visible_a church_n chap._n 8._o page_n 93._o popish_a priest_n have_v a_o calling_n though_o a_o faulty_a one_o chap._n 18._o page_n 154._o 155._o the_o approbation_n of_o the_o church_n make_v he_o a_o minister_n to_o we_o which_o be_v not_o call_v by_o almighty_a god_n cap._n 12._o pa._n 132._o they_o be_v sacrifice_n and_o sacrament_n which_o be_v deliver_v by_o the_o ignorant_a leviticall_a priest_n chap._n 8._o pa._n 104._o the_o godly_a be_v not_o pollute_v which_o receive_v the_o sacrament_n at_o the_o hand_n of_o unpreach_v minister_n chap._n 9_o page_n 108._o 110._o 113._o 114._o 115._o and_o chap._n 14._o page_n 138._o a_o sermon_n be_v not_o require_v necessary_o to_o the_o essence_n of_o a_o sacrament_n chap._n 7._o