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A41285 A second speech of the Honovrable Nathanael Fiennes, second son to the right honourable the Lord Say, in the Commons House of Parliament touching the subjects liberty against the late canons and the new oath. Fiennes, Nathaniel, 1607 or 8-1669. 1641 (1641) Wing F878; ESTC R8459 10,471 24

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