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inconvenience_n but_o upon_o the_o same_o that_o best_o agreee_v with_o the_o say_n of_o the_o saint_n and_o the_o ecclesiastical_a tradition_n he_o be_v wise_a enough_o for_o say_v with_o the_o tenure_n of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n or_o with_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o sacrament_n and_o indeed_o the_o lord_n of_o eur._n shall_v have_v learn_v of_o his_o bellarmin_n that_o durand_n do_v not_o sufficient_o believe_v transubstantiation_n who_o in_o his_o 3._o book_n of_o the_o sacrament_n of_o the_o eucharist_n chap._n xi_o have_v these_o word_n converti_fw-la word_n bellarm._n de_fw-fr sacram._n euchar._n lib._n 3._o c._n 11_o durandus_fw-la docuit_fw-la parten_v unam_fw-la essentialem_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la formam_fw-la panis_fw-la converti_fw-la partem_fw-la alteram_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la materiam_fw-la non_fw-la converti_fw-la durand_n have_v teach_v that_o a_o essential_a part_n of_o the_o bread_n namely_o the_o form_n be_v convert_v and_o that_o the_o other_o part_n namely_o the_o substance_n be_v not_o convert_v which_o he_o do_v express_o confute_v in_o the_o 13._o chapter_n of_o his_o three_o book_n and_o cit_v durand_n upon_o the_o 4._o book_n of_o sentence_n dist_n 11._o q._n 3._o here_o will_v our_o master_n and_o commissioner_n have_v refer_v the_o judgement_n as_o they_o have_v do_v with_o the_o former_a confess_v that_o the_o whole_a question_n deserve_v to_o be_v read_v that_o it_o may_v be_v judge_v by_o the_o course_n thereof_o but_o then_o the_o lord_n of_o eureux_fw-fr found_v himself_o aggrieve_v say_v that_o it_o be_v in_o vain_a for_o they_o to_o dispute_v if_o they_o will_v not_o judge_v sundry_a time_n speak_v to_o the_o king_n to_o appoint_v his_o pleasure_n to_o the_o say_a commissioner_n whereupon_o his_o majesty_n come_v unto_o they_o this_o article_n be_v decide_v and_o the_o lord_n chancellor_n pronounce_v that_o durands_n opposition_n be_v allege_v for_o his_o resolution_n here_o let_v the_o reader_n judge_v albeit_o it_o be_v so_o of_o the_o word_n of_o the_o opposition_n so_o plain_o repeat_v in_o the_o resolution_n and_o durand_n speak_v no_o long_a in_o a_o three_o person_n but_o in_o his_o own_o person_n afterward_o likewise_o these_o clause_n durum_fw-la est_fw-la temerarium_fw-la est_fw-la it_o be_v hard_a it_o be_v rash_a etc._n etc._n whether_o in_o so_o doubtful_a so_o ticklish_a so_o problematticall_a matter_n the_o lord_n of_o eureux_fw-fr might_n pretend_v any_o heinous_a untruth_n even_o palpable_o to_o be_v judge_v at_o the_o very_a open_n of_o the_o book_n at_o the_o bare_a sight_n thereof_o where_o a_o man_n judgement_n not_o his_o eye_n be_v in_o danger_n of_o fail_v the_o three_o place_n out_o of_o chrisostom_n upon_o the_o first_o to_o the_o thessalonian_o for_o the_o three_o they_o come_v to_o a_o place_n of_o chrisostom_n upon_o the_o first_o to_o the_o thessa_n hom._n 1._o 22._o liu_o 3_o the_o euchar_n chap._n 11._o ed._n 1._o pa._n 5._o 7._o l._n 31._o edit_n 2._o p._n 538._o l._n â—_o ed._n 3_o p._n 498._o l._n 22._o allege_v by_o the_o lord_n of_o plessis_n in_o his_o book_n p._n 537._o li._n 31._o where_o he_o examine_v all_o the_o place_n of_o scripture_n which_o the_o adversary_n do_v bold_o apply_v to_o the_o invocation_n of_o saint_n namely_o this_o out_o of_o jeremy_n 15._o istum_fw-la 15._o jerem._n c._n 15._o five_o 1._o si_fw-mi stererint_fw-la moses_n &_o samuel_n coram_fw-la i_o non_fw-la est_fw-la anima_fw-la mea_fw-la ad_fw-la populum_fw-la istum_fw-la though_o samuel_n and_o moses_n shall_v stand_v before_o i_o yet_o shall_v not_o my_o affection_n be_v to_o this_o people_n in_o which_o place_n have_v prove_v by_o s._n hâ—erosme_n theodoret_n s._n gregory_n hugo_n cardinal_n yea_o the_o gloss_n itself_o that_o this_o place_n be_v mean_v of_o the_o intercession_n of_o moses_n and_o samuel_n when_o they_o live_v between_o the_o wrath_n of_o god_n and_o the_o sin_n of_o the_o people_n but_o not_o of_o any_o intercession_n of_o the_o dead_a saint_n unto_o god_n for_o the_o faithful_a live_n here_o beneath_o he_o withal_o add_v that_o here_o of_o chrisostom_n gather_v a_o conclusion_n clean_o contrary_a to_o that_o of_o the_o adversary_n namely_o that_o we_o must_v not_o stand_v upon_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n but_o work_v our_o salvation_n with_o fear_n and_o tremble_a now_o against_o this_o place_n the_o lord_n of_o eureux_fw-fr pretend_a two_o thing_n the_o one_o that_o the_o lord_n of_o plesses_n have_v cut_v he_o off_o in_o the_o substantial_a word_n namely_o if_o we_o be_v negligent_a the_o other_o that_o chrisostom_n entreat_v of_o the_o intercession_n of_o the_o saint_n decease_v which_o the_o lord_n of_o plessis_n deny_v to_o the_o first_o the_o lord_n of_o plesses_n answer_v that_o he_o allege_v not_o the_o express_a word_n of_o chrisostom_n but_o only_o set_v down_o the_o sense_n because_o the_o discourse_n contain_v two_o or_o three_o whole_a page_n which_o he_o reduce_v as_o it_o be_v into_o a_o thesis_n and_o that_o indeed_o he_o allege_v it_o after_o the_o phrase_n of_o the_o gramarian_n oratione_fw-la obliqua_fw-la non_fw-la recta_fw-la in_o a_o overthwart_a and_o not_o direct_a speech_n by_o this_o word_n that_o he_o etc._n etc._n therefore_o that_o he_o be_v not_o bind_v to_o the_o course_n of_o the_o text_n to_o the_o other_o that_o in_o this_o allegation_n he_o have_v no_o other_o purpose_n but_o to_o show_v that_o chrisostom_n out_o of_o this_o place_n of_o jeremy_n have_v not_o gather_v as_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n at_o this_o day_n do_v the_o intercession_n and_o invocation_n of_o the_o decease_a saint_n but_o contrariwise_o have_v collect_v this_o doctrine_n that_o we_o must_v not_o general_o stand_v upon_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n whether_o alive_a or_o dead_a in_o some_o upon_o other_o man_n prayer_n but_o that_o we_o must_v watch_v pray_v and_o endeavour_n as_o the_o apostle_n say_v to_o make_v sure_a our_o salvation_n with_o fear_n and_o tremble_a and_o indeed_o that_o this_o intent_n appear_v in_o these_o word_n etc._n word_n chrysostan_n 1._o ad_fw-la thessaly_n chap._n 1._o hoâ—_n 1._o sub_fw-la finen_n p._n 1414_o editiont_n groeâ—_n lat._n hier._n cemmelini_n 1596._o et_fw-la ut_fw-la id_fw-la seras_fw-la audi_fw-la deum_fw-la dicentem_fw-la si_fw-mi steterint_fw-la noah_n &_o job_n &_o daniel_n non_fw-la eripient_fw-la filios_fw-la suos_fw-la &_o filias_fw-la &_o ruisus_fw-la si_fw-mi steterit_fw-la moses_n &_o samuel_n et_fw-la vide_fw-la quomodo_fw-la hoc_fw-la dicitur_fw-la duobus_fw-la prophetis_fw-la quoniam_fw-la ambo_fw-la pro_fw-la ipsis_fw-la togarant_a &_o non_fw-la erant_fw-la assecuti_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o to_o the_o end_n thou_o shall_v know_v namely_o that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n do_v not_o profit_v except_o we_o do_v convert_v and_o turn_v unto_o god_n hear_v what_o the_o lord_n say_v by_o the_o prophet_n if_o noè_fw-la job_n &_o daniel_n stand_v before_o i_o yet_o shall_v they_o not_o save_v their_o son_n nor_o their_o daughter_n and_o again_o if_o moses_n and_o samuel_n etc._n etc._n and_o mark_v how_o this_o be_v speak_v to_o two_o prophet_n because_o both_o of_o they_o have_v pray_v but_o have_v not_o obtain_v etc._n etc._n thus_o that_o this_o place_n of_o chrisostom_n be_v not_o curtal_v neither_o can_v be_v since_o it_o be_v but_o touch_v by_o the_o way_n and_o not_o allege_v much_o less_o be_v it_o wrest_v to_o any_o contrary_a sense_n because_o general_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o saint_n albeit_o the_o example_n be_v of_o those_o that_o be_v yet_o conversant_a with_o we_o here_o beneath_o now_o for_o the_o better_a open_n of_o this_o point_n the_o lord_n of_o plessis_n own_o word_n do_v suffice_v that_o we_o must_v not_o stand_v upon_o for_o what_o be_v it_o to_o stand_v upon_o but_o whole_o to_o trust_v or_o to_o rely_v upon_o even_o to_o the_o exclusion_n of_o our_o own_o duty_n and_o of_o all_o other_o mean_n he_o do_v then_o express_v the_o meaning_n of_o chrisostom_n that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o congregation_n of_o the_o saint_n of_o the_o faithful_a each_o for_o other_o be_v good_a be_v to_o be_v wish_v but_o that_o we_o shall_v not_o sleep_v upon_o they_o but_o for_o our_o own_o part_n do_v our_o duty_n also_o the_o course_n of_o the_o text_n will_v lead_v we_o thereunto_o perimus_fw-la thereunto_o et_fw-fr pa._n 14._o c._n 2._o nullus_fw-la dormiat_fw-la nullus_fw-la sit_fw-la piger_fw-la ad_fw-la virtutem_fw-la hoc_fw-la enim_fw-la est_fw-la somnus_o nescitis_fw-la quando_fw-la dormimus_fw-la quam_fw-la nostra_fw-la non_fw-la sunt_fw-la in_o tuto_fw-la quam_fw-la facile_fw-la eye_n parentur_fw-la insidiae_fw-la quando_fw-la auten_v vigilamus_fw-la non_fw-la opus_fw-la est_fw-la nobis_fw-la tanta_fw-la custodia_fw-la quando_fw-la dormimus_fw-la etiam_fw-la cum_fw-la multa_fw-la custodia_fw-la sepe_fw-la perimus_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o ostea_fw-la &_o vecte_n &_o custodes_fw-la &_o vigiles_fw-la &_o tamen_fw-la fur_n ingreditur_fw-la cur_n haec_fw-la dico_fw-la quonian_a si_fw-la vigilemus_fw-la non_fw-la egebimus_fw-la aliorum_fw-la