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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A81411	A dialogue betvveen a Brovvnist and a schismatick. VVherein is discovered the schismaticks endeavour to bring to confusion the government of church and state in this our kingdom of England.		1643 (1643)	Wing D1292; Thomason E92_19; ESTC R12173	3,333	9

A DIALOGUE BETWEEN A BROWNIST and a SCHISMATICK Brownist WEll met holy Brother Schismatick I hope our meeting will prove profitable to our own selves the Edification of our Church and destruction and rooting out the Papisticall Doctrine of the Whorish and Idolatrous Church of Rome and formall Protestancy little better then Popery from being any more used in England or any of his Majesties Dominions Schismatick Thou hast spoken very religiously and hast manifested thy self to be a good Zelot in the cause of righteousnes and am I right ioy full so happily here in this place to meet with you where I hope we without fear may speak freely of the present affairs of State and of reducing our Religion and manner of worshipping to its former purity and glory but to beginne our discourse how may these our pious intentions be effected Brownist Truely brother I conceave no readier and easier way to effect this holy worke then to agree in outward appearance for to promote Truth and Religion we may warrantably use dissimulation as we have many examples in Scripture David dissembled himself for the safety of his life to the King of Lachish Abraham dissembled to King Abimelech and taught his wife to lie for the preservation of her chastity and Ioseph dissembled to his brethren to the end to make them to understand their former wickednesse committed against him the Harlot Rachel hid the spies sent from Iosuah and dissembled the same with a lie for her excuse many such like examples I might produce to warrant dissimulation sometimes in a good cause for I say for the promotion of this 〈◊〉 holy a work we may joyne our selves in league and fraternity with Anabaptists Seperatrsts and when we have accomplished our desires we may shake off their society or indeavour to reduce them to an uniformity with us being now neerest us in opinion of any profession and so may the easier be drawn from their opinions that differ from ours Schismatick Indeed I do approve of thy resolution but I conceave it best in the first place to speake of the manner and forme of discipline and worship in Religion and then they who will agree and side with us so shall we the better know which is the safest way to proceed in and first let us begin what forme of discipline we should have used in the exercise of our Religion and what Doctrine is best to be receaved in the Church and finally what forme of government is meetest to be used and established for the establishment thereof and therefore I pray shew thy opinion of the Common Prayer now used and what forme of prayer is meetest to be used that may agree with the spirit by which we ought to be directed and instructed Brownist Verily brother touching the Common prayer now used it is no wayes to be allowed or received in the Church being altogether Superstitious and Idolatrous the inventions of men and not made by the holy spirit but onely instituted by Papists and Popishly affected Prelates Schismatick I confesse great part of the Letany is superfluous and superstitious but I think there be many prayers in the book that were indicted by the Spirit of God and made by holy men which were approved and continually used in the time of Edward the sixth and Queen Elizabeth are these to be rejected and disallowed after the long usage of the same in the Church and not disallowed in the reign of King Iames in whose time many differences and contentions were raised about the same by the Clergy of those times Brownist The reason why a through reformation of the book of Common Prayer hath not yet been admitted to this day was the great troubles that have been raised in this kingdome by the Romish faction after Queen Mary most part of this kingdom then acknowledging the idolatrous Doctrine of that Antichrist and Man of sinne the Bishop of Rome which in all the time of Queen Elizabeth could not be purged our Religion being then scarce known and altogether disliked and in the time of King Iames the pride and haughtinesse of the Clergy more inclined to Popery then Purity hindered a through Reformation although our profession began then to take head and gather some strength and approbation in this kingdom many opinions and tenents that we had being approved of the King himself but now the purity and sincerity of our religion being accepted and acknowledged in most parts of the kingdom especially in the chief Cities Corporations thereof it is our duty to study a through Reformation in time lest we be by the adversaries of truth and piety suppressed and no meanes left for the establishing of the same and for those prayers you mentioned some of them may be still retained and used in the Church which I will against the next meeting extract from the rest Schismatick Enough at this time of the Common Prayer let me have your opinion touching what Doctrine now acknowledged in our Church is meet to be purged and discipline for the exercise thereof Brownist That will I do The Doctrine of Baptisme with the Crosse I utterly deny and disallow Marriage with a hoop Ring and the like but for Discipline in the manner of Worship I disallow the use of Surplice c. I would have us follow the example of Christ in all things as near as we can and let his example be our rule to walk by If he taught in the Temples let us make use of Temples and Churches for teaching and instruction if he taught in ships upon the sea then let it be as warrantable for us to preach and to teach in ships as in Churches if he taught upon the sand or sea shore then let it be as lawfull to teach on the sand as in the ship if he taught on mountains or hils then let it be as warrantable to preach on the top of a hill as on the sand if he taught in private houses then let it be as lawfull to preach in a house or barn as on the top of a hill if he prayed in the fields or wildernesse then let it be as warrantable for us to pray in the fields and wildernesse woods or groves as in Churches c. If he chose Fishermen Mechanick Tradesmen or the like to be his Disciples and preachers to his people then let it be as warrantable for us to chuse Pastors and teachers that are full of the Spirit of Fishermen Shoomakers Hatters c. And this is the safest and truest manner of Doctrine and Discipline to be received by his example Schismatick Truely brother I perceive that you are full of the Spirit I approve of your Order for Doctrine and Discipline I pray go forward and speak your minde concerning a certain form of Government to be established in this kingdome for the due and pure observance of this your Doctrine and Discipline prescribed Brownist Indeed brother I hope I shall neither speak nor do any thing but as I shall be lead and directed by the Spirit and touching your next request I conceive it no wayes meet to have any particular Government in the Church but every man to govern his assembly according to his spirit following likewise the example of Christ to his Apostles when they strived for superiority one over and above another who reproved them for the same and made them all Governours alike so would I have it that one man might not lord it over his brethren being all members of one body and every one permitted to teach in the Church according to the gifts of Prophesie and Revelation and if any in the Church be prophesying or preaching and one that stands by hath a clearer gift or revelation he to speak and declare the same and the other that taught before to hold his peace according to the rule of Saint Paul 1 Cor. 14.29 30 31. Let the Prophets speak two or three and let the other judge 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by let the first hold his peace 31. For ye may all prophesie one by one that all may be comforted So it appears there is no supremacy in teachers all men without degrees or University Scholership if they have the gift and spirit of prophesie may preach and teach the people and are onely to be esteemed according to the excellency of their gifts and holinesse of life let him be of what occupation or profession whatsoever Schismatick Well brother no more of this Now let us consider of the best way to effect this intended work of Reformation and establishing of our Religion in this kingdome Brownist As I said before joyne our selves for our better advantage in outward appearance in fraternity with the severall sects aforementioned Schismatick But how if the adverse party be so obstinate and the great ones in high places be so perverse that they will by no means agree to our desire nor conforme themselves to our Religion Brownist Then is it lawfull to take up Armes and by force establish Religion and bring to condigne punishment the opposers thereof cut down the tall Cedars spirituall wickednesse in high places rather then our Religion should be destroyed and Antichristianisme or loose and formall Protestancy be continued in this kingdom better to punish the body by stripes then both body and soul to perish by sinne Schismatick I well approve all that thou halt said Let us put in action our intention and so God be with you for this time Brownist And so I pray God keep you till our next meeting FINIS