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the_o church_n of_o smyrna_n in_o their_o golden_a epistle_n concern_v the_o martyrdom_n of_o s._n polycarp_n give_v a_o account_n of_o the_o devil_n and_o the_o jew_n slander_v they_o as_o if_o they_o will_v have_v leave_v christ_n and_o worship_v polycarp_n if_o they_o can_v but_o gain_v his_o martyr_a body_n expose_v that_o gross_a calumny_n by_o show_v usser_n show_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d eccl._n smyrn_n in_o ep._n de_fw-fr martyr_n polyc._n p._n 27._o edit_fw-la usser_n that_o christian_n can_v never_o leave_v christ_n who_o have_v suffer_v all_o for_o they_o nor_o pay_v any_o worship_n to_o any_o other_o person_n or_o as_o the_o old_a latin_a translation_n have_v it_o nor_o offer_v up_o the_o supplication_n of_o prayer_n to_o any_o other_o person_n if_o they_o can_v not_o do_v it_o then_o i_o suppose_v it_o be_v not_o grow_v more_o lawful_a to_o do_v it_o since_o s._n irenaeus_n in_o the_o same_o century_n discourse_v about_o the_o many_o grace_n bestow_v by_o god_n 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sufficient_a to_o define_v prayer_n in_o this_o manner_n to_o the_o exclusion_n both_o of_o saint_n and_o angel_n since_o in_o the_o same_o book_n he_o deliver_v it_o for_o the_o doctrine_n of_o his_o time_n that_o 7._o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d clemens_n alexandr_n strom._n l._n 7._o since_o there_o be_v but_o one_o good_a god_n both_o we_o and_o angel_n ought_v to_o make_v our_o prayer_n to_o he_o alone_o for_o the_o obtain_n of_o those_o good_a thing_n which_o we_o want_v and_o for_o the_o continuance_n of_o those_o which_o we_o enjoy_v there_o be_v a_o great_a many_o more_o such_o expression_n to_o be_v meet_v with_o in_o this_o learned_a father_n but_o this_o doubtless_o be_v able_a to_o convince_v any_o reasonable_a person_n that_o in_o clemens_n time_n the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n be_v that_o all_o prayer_n or_o invocation_n shall_v be_v offer_v up_o to_o the_o great_a god_n alone_o century_n iii_o that_o there_o be_v no_o alteration_n make_v in_o the_o next_o century_n in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o father_n herein_o we_o can_v easy_o show_v from_o the_o most_o considerable_a writer_n of_o that_o age._n tertullian_n in_o his_o apology_n for_o the_o christian_n to_o the_o roman_a judge_n give_v a_o account_n of_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o christian_n that_o they_o do_v invocate_v the_o eternal_a god_n for_o the_o safety_n of_o the_o emperor_n and_o acquaint_v they_o withal_o that_o they_o dare_v not_o offer_v up_o their_o prayer_n to_o any_o other_o 30._o other_o nos_fw-la enim_fw-la pro_fw-la salute_v imperatorum_fw-la deum_fw-la invocamus_fw-la aeternum_fw-la haec_fw-la ab_fw-la alio_fw-la orare_fw-la non_fw-la possum_fw-la quà m_fw-la à _fw-la quo_fw-la i_o scio_fw-la consecuturum_fw-la quoniam_fw-la &_o ipse_fw-la est_fw-la qui_fw-la solus_fw-la praestat_fw-la &_o ego_fw-la sum_fw-la cvi_fw-la impetrare_fw-la debetur_fw-la famulus_fw-la ejus_fw-la qui_fw-la eum_fw-la solum_fw-la observo_fw-la qui_fw-la propter_fw-la disciplinam_fw-la 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whatever_o we_o hope_v either_o to_o do_v well_o or_o to_o be_v reward_v for_o after_o we_o have_v do_v so_o in_o another_o part_n of_o his_o work_n in_o the_o very_a last_o that_o he_o write_v he_o ask_v this_o question_n of_o the_o heathen_a can_v we_o then_o believe_v that_o these_o angel_n who_o employment_n be_v to_o declare_v to_o mankind_n the_o will_n of_o the_o father_n 26._o father_n num_fw-la igitur_fw-la hos_fw-la angelos_n quorum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la est_fw-la declarare_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la patris_fw-la credendum_fw-la est_fw-la velle_fw-la nos_fw-la subdi_fw-la nisi_fw-la ei_fw-la cujus_fw-la nobis_fw-la annunciant_fw-la voluntatem_fw-la unde_fw-la optimè_fw-la admonet_fw-la etiam_fw-la ipse_fw-la platonicus_n imitandos_fw-la eos_n potius_fw-la quam_fw-la invocandos_fw-la idem_fw-la de_fw-la civit._fw-la dei_fw-la l._n 10._o c._n 26._o will_v have_v we_o be_v subject_a and_o serve_v any_o other_o beside_o he_o who_o will_v they_o declare_v to_o we_o the_o 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fieri_fw-la debet_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la mandari_fw-la oportuit_fw-la qui_fw-la author_n eorum_fw-la dicitur_fw-la si_fw-mi autem_fw-la ab_fw-la illo_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la mandatum_fw-la praesumptio_fw-la est_fw-la &_o ad_fw-la poenam_fw-la proficiet_fw-la non_fw-la ad_fw-la praemium_fw-la quia_fw-la ad_fw-la contumeliam_fw-la pertinet_fw-la conditoris_fw-la ut_fw-la contempto_fw-la domino_fw-la colantur_fw-la servi_fw-la &_o spreto_fw-la imperatore_n adorentur_fw-la comites_fw-la hilar._n diacon_n quaestion_n vet._n &_o nou._n testam_fw-la apud_fw-la august_n in_o append._n ad_fw-la tom._n 4._o p._n 45._o who_o they_o themselves_o own_o to_o be_v great_a and_o the_o supreme_a and_o yet_o neglect_v he_o if_o this_o thing_n must_v be_v do_v it_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v command_v by_o he_o who_o be_v the_o creator_n of_o those_o element_n but_o if_o it_o be_v not_o command_v by_o he_o it_o be_v a_o presumption_n and_o will_v bring_v we_o punishment_n not_o a_o reward_n because_o 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