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proferuntâ—r_n sed_fw-la quae_fw-la ab_fw-la â—o_o ex_fw-la consilio_fw-la plurimorum_fw-la virorum_fw-la sapientium_fw-la plâ—nè_fw-la prius_fw-la re_fw-la examinata_fw-la prodâ—unt_fw-la canus_n de_fw-fr auct_n council_n libr._n 5._o page_n 7._o page_n 8._o page_n 9_o de_fw-fr auct_n conc._n 1._o 5._o council_n to._n 13._o p._n 510._o lubb._n ib._n p._n 530._o vindicat._n of_o dr._n sherlock_n serm._n p._n 18._o bellarm._n de_fw-fr rom._n pontif._n 1._o 4._o c._n 5._o canus_n de_fw-fr auct_n council_n 1._o 5._o p._n 9_o p._n 10._o pag._n 15._o 16._o pag._n 60._o pag._n 62._o p._n 40._o p._n 55._o p._n 67._o p._n 91._o p._n 11._o p._n 35._o p._n 36._o p._n 11_o 12._o p._n 12._o page_n 17._o